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[Menteng]

I'm considering moving to Jakarta for a year or so. Due to my age, I will need a good health insurance. A travel insurance will cost me 400 euros a month. So maybe you residents can tell me how much you pay for one person so I will be able to decide which one (travel or local one) to choose. I'll need a price and no link to Cigna or AXA etc. My age: 77 years. Thanks.

[Offshore Swell]

Do you use your left hand with the girls?

The left hand is considered like "unclean" because it's use for toilet. And when I interact with Indonesian I don't use this hand.

But with the girls, my brain disconnect, and I don't care about that, but this year, I will try to have a real girlfriend, and keep her.

What are your experiences about that?

Perfect then to use your left hand then to loosen up her backdoor.

[FutureGuy]

Hello,


2. From my understanding there is a NO sex law in affect in Indonesia for unmarried people. How enforced is this?

Thank you everyone!

The law is not yet in effect. It's also not that bad due to 2 facts:

1. it stipulates, that it is only a crime if a family member if filing a complaint at a court. Only at that time the police will investigate the incident. Catching unmarried people in the act on part of the police is not grounds for prosecution. Ironically that means sleeping with girls that you know from work or in your circle of friends is more risky than paying a prostitute (the latter doesn't know your identity and the parents don't know you).

2. it's Indonesia. A lot of laws are enforced very flexibly. Except capital crimes such as homicide or drug trade. Generally laws against "social disturbances" are more strictly enforced in provincial small towns. And paying bribes to prosecutors is depressingly common, if you can afford it. A poor girl can't pay a 10 million bribe to walk free. That 5 times her monthly income. A business man from Bandung can. That's 10% of monthly income.

[Knobbyxx]

Hello,

I am new to the Indonesia forum, but not new to ISG. I travel to Taiwan, China and Thailand frequently for work. However, I recently got a new client in Indonesia in the area around Gorontalo. I was hoping to get some advice.

1. is there any FUN to be had around the Gorontalo area?

2. From my understanding there is a NO sex law in affect in Indonesia for unmarried people. How enforced is this?

Thank you everyone!

[Bacchuss]

Do you use your left hand with the girls?

The left hand is considered like "unclean" because it's use for toilet. And when I interact with Indonesian I don't use this hand.

But with the girls, my brain disconnect, and I don't care about that, but this year, I will try to have a real girlfriend, and keep her.

What are your experiences about that?

[BKKguru]

Who would have guessed?

Sam Altman (Co-Founder & CEO, ChatGPT) is the first to get the Indonesian Golden Visa!

I had no idea Sam was into Indo girls. Don't be surprised if you see Sam in Classic or Emporium! LOL!!

On a serious note, it appears the Indonesian Government gifted the Golden Visa to Sam to create a marketing buzz. Details pasted below.


Jakarta (Bloomberg):

OpenAI Chief Executive Officer Sam Altman (pic) is the first person to get an Indonesian golden visa as South-east Asia's largest economy seeks to draw foreign investors.

The country's immigration authority issued a 10-year visa for Altman as he "has an international reputation and may bring benefits to Indonesia," said Immigration Director General Silmy Karim in a statement.

The co-founder of the ChatGPT creator would enjoy priority security screening at airports, longer stay periods and easier entry and exit processes, among other perks.

Introduced last week to boost economic development, the new visa allows foreigners who make substantial investments in the country to remain for between five and 10 years.

For example, an individual who invests US $350,000 into shares of local public companies, savings accounts or government bonds is eligible for a five-year stay.

It was not immediately known whether Altman, who visited Jakarta in June to speak on artificial intelligence, applied for the visa or has plans to invest in Indonesia.

Since their debut last year, OpenAI's tools have spurred a rush of investment into AI-supporting infrastructure by showcasing the potential of human-like intelligence using vast data centers.

[Offshore Swell]

It appears to me Indonesia is always a day late and Dollar short. Meaning, Thailand and Malaysia introduced new Visa progams some time ago. Thailand's program was a success and they are now planning to raise the bar to obtain the long term Visa. Malaysia's program is the Malaysia My Second Home (MM2H). The MM2H was big hit with Expats. However, last year the Government revised the requirements. One of the new requirements is USD 10,000 in monthly income. Not surprisingly, the MM2H Applications have falled to an all time low. The rumour is the MM2H will be revised again based on complaints and criticism from Malaysian Real Estate Associations (one of the requirements is to invest in property worth MYR 1 Million).

OS, you bring up a good point about Janda's. I assume you have to "Register" the marriage and obtain a formal certificate to apply for the KITAS?

~BKKguru

Correct! You would need to be able to marry. Theres a whole range of info on the subject online but a certificate of no impediment to marriage from your embassy or the equivalent from a certain street in Manila.

[BKKguru]

An investor with $5 M US with no real investment strategy other than a desire to live in Indonesia forever. What could possibly go wrong?

OS thinks probably smarter to find one of the thousands of Janda's that just want a husband that treats them nicely, doesn't drink and beat them, gives them a small allowance each month and provides a home and a motorcycle. You wouldn't even need to live with her. Just give her a signed portrait of yourself to put on the wall for the neighbours to see and bingo!. That can probably be all achieved for USD $50 K. Then you get a KITAS convertible to KITAP after 2 years and permanence after a few more years even if your janda has woken up to your philandering ways and punted you. Minus the motorcycle of course.

It appears to me Indonesia is always a day late and Dollar short. Meaning, Thailand and Malaysia introduced new Visa progams some time ago. Thailand's program was a success and they are now planning to raise the bar to obtain the long term Visa. Malaysia's program is the Malaysia My Second Home (MM2H). The MM2H was big hit with Expats. However, last year the Government revised the requirements. One of the new requirements is USD 10,000 in monthly income. Not surprisingly, the MM2H Applications have falled to an all time low. The rumour is the MM2H will be revised again based on complaints and criticism from Malaysian Real Estate Associations (one of the requirements is to invest in property worth MYR 1 Million).

OS, you bring up a good point about Janda's. I assume you have to "Register" the marriage and obtain a formal certificate to apply for the KITAS?

~BKKguru

[Offshore Swell]

From today's news:

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-p...rs-2023-09-03/

Jakarta (Reuters) - Indonesia is introducing a golden visa scheme to attract foreign individual and corporate investors in an attempt to boost its national economy, a statement from the ministry of law and human rights distributed on Sunday said.

"The golden visa is granting a residence permit for an extended period of five to 10 years," director general of immigration, Silmy Karim said in the statement.

The five-year visa requires individual investors to set up a company worth $2. 5 million, while for the 10 years visa, a $5 million investment is required.

SNIP..

Meanwhile, corporate investors are required to invest $25 million to get five-year visas for directors and commissioners. They need to invest double, or $50 million, to gain a 10 year visa.

Different provisions apply to individual foreign investors who do not want to establish a company in the Southeast Asian country. The requirements range from $350,000 to $700,000 in funds that can be used to purchase the Indonesian government bonds.

Pocket change.

An investor with $5 M US with no real investment strategy other than a desire to live in Indonesia forever. What could possibly go wrong?

OS thinks probably smarter to find one of the thousands of Janda's that just want a husband that treats them nicely, doesn't drink and beat them, gives them a small allowance each month and provides a home and a motorcycle. You wouldn't even need to live with her. Just give her a signed portrait of yourself to put on the wall for the neighbours to see and bingo!. That can probably be all achieved for USD $50 K. Then you get a KITAS convertible to KITAP after 2 years and permanence after a few more years even if your janda has woken up to your philandering ways and punted you. Minus the motorcycle of course.

[WestCoast1]

From today's news:

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-p...rs-2023-09-03/

Jakarta (Reuters) - Indonesia is introducing a golden visa scheme to attract foreign individual and corporate investors in an attempt to boost its national economy, a statement from the ministry of law and human rights distributed on Sunday said.

"The golden visa is granting a residence permit for an extended period of five to 10 years," director general of immigration, Silmy Karim said in the statement.

The five-year visa requires individual investors to set up a company worth $2. 5 million, while for the 10 years visa, a $5 million investment is required.

SNIP..

Meanwhile, corporate investors are required to invest $25 million to get five-year visas for directors and commissioners. They need to invest double, or $50 million, to gain a 10 year visa.

Different provisions apply to individual foreign investors who do not want to establish a company in the Southeast Asian country. The requirements range from $350,000 to $700,000 in funds that can be used to purchase the Indonesian government bonds.

Pocket change.

[Menteng]

However, it does seem the <90 days are exempted.

Presuming you will not use an Indonesian sim card.

[Irish Mongrel]

Hi team,

Somewhat of a late bloomer and new to the monger world.

Late 30's guy from Australia looking to travel SE Asia mainly for paid sex.

I've been told I'm attractive with good skin, decent body, etc.

Problem is with Australia's rapidly growing Indian population I get mistaken for Indian all the time.

Is Indonesia a safe bet or what about Thailand or Filo in this regard?

Likely travel to Thailand at some point too.

Would also like to try some Indians and heard Mumbai is good for this (OT so will leave that for the other forum).

Thank you!!

Mate, I would say it is more how you hold yourself than anything else. I have good Indian friends who have had plenty of fun in Jakarta. Can't say anything about the lower end side of town but in the higher end bars and clubs you are just one more guy with a pocket full of personality that the girls will want to know.

[Banana Boi]

Problem is with Australia's rapidly growing Indian population I get mistaken for Indian all the time.

I'm guessing your question has more to do with acceptability of guys who look Indian more than actual hobby hotspots? I'm not Indian nor will I ever be mistaken as one but I'm guessing Phnom Penh should be first choice, then PI/Jakarta, Thailand/Vietnam, then Korea/Japan. Pre-COVID I would have said Kuala Lumpur. If you're light skinned, young, fit, attractive as you say, and don't ravel in a wolfpack you're not going to have issues anywhere.

[Alex21]

Hi team,

Somewhat of a late bloomer and new to the monger world.

Late 30's guy from Australia looking to travel SE Asia mainly for paid sex.

I've been told I'm attractive with good skin, decent body, etc.

Problem is with Australia's rapidly growing Indian population I get mistaken for Indian all the time.

Is Indonesia a safe bet or what about Thailand or Filo in this regard?

Likely travel to Thailand at some point too.

Would also like to try some Indians and heard Mumbai is good for this (OT so will leave that for the other forum).

Thank you!!

[Parasitius]

July, last year, when arriving at Jakarta airport I had to register my IMEI numbers and the values of my mobile phones. The officer of customs told me I had to pay tax for the one that was worth more than 500 dollars.

Is that ridiculous measure still valid? If so, we might expect the same shti for watches, laptops and so on in the near future.

And how did you deal with the mobile phone issue?

I wonder if it is about to get a lot worse based on the customs declaration I had to fill out yesterday. However, it does seem the <90 days are exempted. What happens if you bounce in and out too much? What happens if you get an extendable visa for short-term education and stay 120 days?

The application wanted all laptops, tablets, phones, and even headphones and their respective IMEI number. And that makes NO SENSE whatsoever. An IMEI is a cellular network communications number, my airpods and 2 laptops sure as shit don't have those.