Bali

[Goferring]

The first option may be doable, given the right circumstances, but I'm a little stumped on the second one.

Surabaya? If it's the second-best mongering destination in Indonesia (after JK), then why does it have so few posts relative to Bali and Bandung? Why isn't it more popular and talked about?

Because it's a long way off the tourist circuit. It's an industrial city not an Instagram hub. Having said that, there is actually a lot to see in and around the city.

"Second best" really depends on your preferences, like any where. It definitely has looks, numbers and cost. Downsides are that you may be the only foreigner where ever you go. There aren't too many whites only BATS, CJs etc equivalents, if that's what you are looking for?? Girls by the bushel if you are happy to look though.

Up to you, Mister.

G.

[Joe Brooklyn]

Option 1: combine the two and bring a favoured girl from Jakarta to Bali. They all enjoy a holiday and if you lay some ground rules, it can be surprisingly cheap. Certainly much cheaper than gullible tourist pricing of Bali.

Option 2: can't beat Surabaya for quantity. Every man's definition of quality is different but there is every body type there as it's a major centre for girls coming to the big city to chase work, legitimate or not. Surprisingly, given the city's size, a random bule roaming the streets is an oddity so you will draw attention and striking up a conversation is very easy.

Enjoy. G.

The first option may be doable, given the right circumstances, but I'm a little stumped on the second one.

Surabaya? If it's the second-best mongering destination in Indonesia (after JK), then why does it have so few posts relative to Bali and Bandung? Why isn't it more popular and talked about?

[Goferring]

I will be mongering in Jakarta for a few days in September, and want to hit up a second city in Indonesia for variety.

Where is the P4 P scene better, in Bali or Bandung?

By better I mean the quality and quantity of girls and prices.

Option 1: combine the two and bring a favoured girl from Jakarta to Bali. They all enjoy a holiday and if you lay some ground rules, it can be surprisingly cheap. Certainly much cheaper than gullible tourist pricing of Bali.

Option 2: can't beat Surabaya for quantity. Every man's definition of quality is different but there is every body type there as it's a major centre for girls coming to the big city to chase work, legitimate or not. Surprisingly, given the city's size, a random bule roaming the streets is an oddity so you will draw attention and striking up a conversation is very easy.

Enjoy. G.

[Captain Solo]

I visited Bali 2 or 3 years after the 2002 bombing. There were very few tourists; the entire island was virtually deserted, quiet, nice, clean, green, beautiful. Stayed on the beach, visited a few brothels, picked up a dark skin girl from Java for all night. The hotel had many Euro women guests who hired dark scrawny guys for sexcapades, having breakfast together in the morning. The guys were shy and awkward in public.

I came back in 2019 just before CoVid shut down, the whole island was heavily congested with traffic, trucks, vans, motorbikes, busy, noisy, dusty, worse than urban cities in the West. Vendors were everywhere selling trinkets. Beaches were crowded, difficult to find parking spots. Here's a pic of Ubud's famous roast pork restaurant with chubby girls.

Lompoc would be a nicer, quieter, more authentic Indonesian island to visit, but with limited supply of girls, unless the bros know more than I do.

[Joe Brooklyn]

Bali definitely requires more legwork than other places, and I would not recommend it for a mongering trip. Come to enjoy everything else it has to offer, and be open to whatever options are available while here.

This statement right here is what I've been looking for, as I'll be in JK in Sep, and want to hit up a second city to monger in (for variety). Since Bali is out, I guess that leaves Bandung?

[SedNabokos]

Hi Razu.

Hi bro. Nice FR.

I will be visiting Bali next month. Flames spa is in my bucket list. I'm curious to know if you have tipped any amount inside the room to the girls? Or just only the 1700 k at the entrance. Please advise. Thanks in Advance.

When the mamasan leads you to the back rooms the first thing she does is assign you a locker and says to leave all your valuables there.

I didn't have the foresight to leave some separate cash in my pocket, so when I was in the room with the girls I didn't have anything to tip them with.

As this is standard procedure I don't think the girls have any expectation for an additional tip.

If you're planning to visit Flame Spa do be sure to book ahead. I was there at 1 pm on a weekday and I had to wait an hour.

They have individually screened off cubicles for punters to wait in, but if I had planned ahead I could have waited somewhere more comfortable.

[Joe Brooklyn]

I will be mongering in Jakarta for a few days in September, and want to hit up a second city in Indonesia for variety.

Where is the P4 P scene better, in Bali or Bandung?

By better I mean the quality and quantity of girls and prices.

[Razu123]

Can we get back onto the topic of Bali? Jakarta and Surabaya have their own threads.

Let me start:

I was in Bali last month for the first time in 4 years.

Unfortunately I only had a few hours, and it was daytime so I didn't expect much luck in the usual places.

So for the first time I went to Flame Spa, which I've read about in this thread but never visited.

I went to the one near Sunset Road. I got there in the early afternoon and was asked if I had a booking, and since I did not I had to wait about an hour for an available room.

I was given their price list and reminded that no sexual services are on offer and explained what to expect: Massage with the girl (s) wearing lingerie followed by a nude sensual body to body massage.

I was concerned that their fully-booked status would mean limited choice of companions, but when I was led into the fishbowl there were at least a dozen girls, most of them very attractive. I ended up choosing a petite girl with a gorgeous face who called herself Naomi and a curvy girl named Amora.

I was assigned a locker to store my valuables and taken to a room, and I took a quick shower while waiting for the girls.

When stepping out the shower Naomi immediately gave me a big hug and introduced herself.

"Like Naomi Campbell, just not as tall" she said. And she really did have a supermodel's face, but with a 5 foot nothing body and no boobs.

She led me to the bed where Amora also introduced herself, and they had me lie face down and started on the 4 hand massage, which was glorious.

Amora started on my shoulders and immediately put my hands on her hips, which I took as the invitation to fondle her sexy boobs and bum while Naomi started on my legs and worked her way up. She didn't waste any time reaching underneath and getting my balls and shaft all nice and slippery.

After the flip they got naked and started the sensual part of the massage.

This included Naomi sitting on me cowgirl style and rubbing her pussy back and forth along my shaft while Amora tried to smother me with her boobs.

With the slippery massage gel and lack of condom this almost felt as good as being inside her pussy, but it wasn't the same thing.

They finished by trading off handjobs and putting their boobs in my face. It's a shame that even a BJ was out of the question.

The total cost was 1,700,000 for an hour which is an obscene amount of money in Bali.

I paid less than that a few years ago for two girls at Riverview, and that included sex with both. And of course freelancers and local girls can be had for much, much less.

Still, it was an amazing, erotic experience and I'm glad I got to try it out at least once. But I don't think I'll return.

Hi bro. Nice FR.

I will be visiting Bali next month. Flames spa is in my bucket list. I'm curious to know if you have tipped any amount inside the room to the girls? Or just only the 1700 k at the entrance. Please advise. Thanks in Advance.

[SedNabokos]

I had about 10 massages in poppies 2 and on benesari, and not once did any chick ever offer extras, and I also never asked. Its pretty strange seeing they are so poor, so an extra 100 k or more for a tug could be quite handy for them. But no, nothing. Best to head to Sanur to one of the X houses for a good quality bang.

Apologies for replying to such an old post.

You're right that no extras appear to be on offer, but I did manage to have some extracurricular fun with one of the cute young massage girls a few years ago.

She called out to me outside a massage place near Havana Restaurant, and convinced me to try a four hand massage with her and her "sister".

The sister spoke better English and started the usual interrogation. "Where are you from? Are you single? My sister is single, maybe you should take her out for dinner".

I took the cutie for a nice meal at Poppies restaurant and took her back to my hotel where she was very enthusiastic and passionate.

I "dated" her for the rest of my stay. Visiting the usual tourist sites and ending up at my hotel every night.

Sadly I lost contact with her after Covid started and she had to move back to her village because everything shut. And the little massage place is no longer there.

[Joe Brooklyn]

3 nights? All the way to Jakarta from NY and that's all the time you have. Can't say its enough to enjoy the mongering experience.

But definitely 2-3 days is enough time for being a tourist sightseeing as all you need to see in Jakarta can be done in 1 day (yeh, not much to see really) and the rest of the 2 days stuck in traffic.

Enjoy your trip and don't forget to post your adventure.

Cheers.

LOL. I'm also going to spend 2 nights in either Bali or Bandung. Having a hard time deciding between the two, as the travel time to both is about the same (plane vs. Train).

[SedNabokos]

Can we get back onto the topic of Bali? Jakarta and Surabaya have their own threads.

Let me start:

I was in Bali last month for the first time in 4 years.

Unfortunately I only had a few hours, and it was daytime so I didn't expect much luck in the usual places.

So for the first time I went to Flame Spa, which I've read about in this thread but never visited.

I went to the one near Sunset Road. I got there in the early afternoon and was asked if I had a booking, and since I did not I had to wait about an hour for an available room.

I was given their price list and reminded that no sexual services are on offer and explained what to expect: Massage with the girl (s) wearing lingerie followed by a nude sensual body to body massage.

I was concerned that their fully-booked status would mean limited choice of companions, but when I was led into the fishbowl there were at least a dozen girls, most of them very attractive. I ended up choosing a petite girl with a gorgeous face who called herself Naomi and a curvy girl named Amora.

I was assigned a locker to store my valuables and taken to a room, and I took a quick shower while waiting for the girls.

When stepping out the shower Naomi immediately gave me a big hug and introduced herself.

"Like Naomi Campbell, just not as tall" she said. And she really did have a supermodel's face, but with a 5 foot nothing body and no boobs.

She led me to the bed where Amora also introduced herself, and they had me lie face down and started on the 4 hand massage, which was glorious.

Amora started on my shoulders and immediately put my hands on her hips, which I took as the invitation to fondle her sexy boobs and bum while Naomi started on my legs and worked her way up. She didn't waste any time reaching underneath and getting my balls and shaft all nice and slippery.

After the flip they got naked and started the sensual part of the massage.

This included Naomi sitting on me cowgirl style and rubbing her pussy back and forth along my shaft while Amora tried to smother me with her boobs.

With the slippery massage gel and lack of condom this almost felt as good as being inside her pussy, but it wasn't the same thing.

They finished by trading off handjobs and putting their boobs in my face. It's a shame that even a BJ was out of the question.

The total cost was 1,700,000 for an hour which is an obscene amount of money in Bali.

I paid less than that a few years ago for two girls at Riverview, and that included sex with both. And of course freelancers and local girls can be had for much, much less.

Still, it was an amazing, erotic experience and I'm glad I got to try it out at least once. But I don't think I'll return.

[Adindas]

Thanks. Just interested in what still existed in Jakarta that would be reasonably safe for outsiders. Safety is always first. Not worth getting hurt or robbed just to save a few bucks.

Kalijodo had a bad reputation from what I remembered. It was actually fairly safe area as long as you didn't get drunk and cause trouble or argue too much about prices. It was triad control place so they kept things in order and didn't tolerate any thugs messing with customers.

If you want to see how it looks like. Search in YT with search word Gang Royal, Penjaringan.

You could find the location using google map.

This is just one of many examples.

Many of them are young and if you are lucky you might find a gem. But as mentioned previously, be cautious with the place like this and take the safety precautions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dbs-aLX72vk

[Sharka]

I think "Kalijodo" is still smaller then its predecessor "kramat tunggak".
https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lokalisasi_Kramat_Tunggak.

It is in Indonesian but you could always use google translate.

It is not recommended for tourist and it might not be safe. But If you you are still interested in slum areas, Search for "railtrack" in Jakarta forum in ISG. There are quite a few post about this place.

Thanks. Just interested in what still existed in Jakarta that would be reasonably safe for outsiders. Safety is always first. Not worth getting hurt or robbed just to save a few bucks.

Kalijodo had a bad reputation from what I remembered. It was actually fairly safe area as long as you didn't get drunk and cause trouble or argue too much about prices. It was triad control place so they kept things in order and didn't tolerate any thugs messing with customers.

[BenderOver]

Anyone been? Any action? Not after a resort style accom but any decent accom -4 star maybe?

Would it be better to stay in Seminyak for action then a few days in Uluwatu or can anyone direct me to a surf beach like Uluwatu with action please.

Been to Seminyak but beach was dirty and water was brown and full of plastic and rubbish - is the water blue in Uluwatu?

NI.

Blue water is tricky to find. First, any area near Jakarta or around Bali is not blue water. There's too much population dumping nitrates into the water near the shoreline to keep the water blue. Second, blue water works best with shallows. And unfortunately, the shallows should either be bleached coral or just plain sand. Around Bali in almost all directions (sanur, north shore, kuta) even if you were able to find CLEAR water in a shallow area, the seabed is usually covered with sea life with massive dark green or brown corals. If you go through the more touristy channels, you'll find tour trips that boat you out maybe 2 or 3 hours to one of the lesser inhabited islands. If you're lucky to find a shallow beach of lighter color sand or reefs that are partially bleached, then for sure you'll find the crystal blue water that you're looking for. If you're looking at the Bali forum for a reason such as a trip coming up soon, try to get yourself out to Lombok and from there head out to Gili or Komodo on a tour.

If you're in Jakarta, search for the thousand island tour trips.

[Adindas]

Ok, finally remember the name of the place, Kalijodo. It was in north west Jakarta from memory. Govt bulldozed the whole place down about 10 yrs ago.

Too bad as it was a great place with cheaper drinks and lady fun.

Just wondering if any places like Kalijodo exist anymore in Jakarta. Did all the girls move elsewhere in the city or got sent back to provinces?

I haven't been back in Jakarta in over 8 yrs now but would consider a trip back to explore if places like that still exist.

PM me if you have any info.

Cheers all.

I think "Kalijodo" is still smaller then its predecessor "kramat tunggak".
https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lokalisasi_Kramat_Tunggak.

It is in Indonesian but you could always use google translate.

It is not recommended for tourist and it might not be safe. But If you you are still interested in slum areas, Search for "railtrack" in Jakarta forum in ISG. There are quite a few post about this place.