Jakarta

[Gonzo Two]

The girls understand perfectly well that some punters are fresh off the boat, and some are old hands who have been here for years. They know they aren't going to get a ridiculous tip from the latter, but that balances out with the fact that they might become regulars, and at least they know which one is a psychopath and which one is a good client. They will serve both groups. They each have their advantages from a business point of view.

[Expat American]

However, rather than squabble over this, I think some people posting here should reflect on the effects of their exuberant posts on the JK scene. Anyone in the whole world with access to the internet can read them and the effect on supply and demand is potentially much greater than someone giving a nice tip on their own initiative _after_ the deed. This unwelcome "PR" may also have consequences for the delicate balance between prostitution and religion in Indonesia, which is not as stable as some seem to think.

I think that is also just as nonsensical as the single tipper spoiling the market. Yes there is a balance between religion / government / tolerance for our hobby in Jakarta. But to think what we write here will influence it at all is hogwash. The Jakarta scene is almost entirely based on local demand, with the exception of a few higher end places like Malio. The government and police all know about what happens there and our little TR's make no difference. Also Jakarta will never be a Bangkok or Pattaya or Angeles. It gets few tourists and some business travelers but that's about it. It also has a minimal resident expat scene (and almost no sexpats like Thailand). So the Bule influence on what happens either way with these venues is non existent.

Places like Classic may be eventually shut down but it won't be because of anything we say or do. It will be a political decision based on local sentiment and conditions. But the local boys will still find ways to get their little "haram" pleasures. And local girls will always provide.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

The concept that big tippers ruin the market makes little sense. A tip is up to the customer and is paid after the deed. The price agreed up front remains the same. In the worst case, girls may _expect_ bigger tips from other customers. But since tipping is fundamentally a voluntary thing, those who don't like those expectations are at their liberty to ignore them. I am a liberal tipper, but I drive a hard bargain when it comes to the agreed price (when there is any leeway. In most of these establishments it is fixed anyway).

However, rather than squabble over this, I think some people posting here should reflect on the effects of their exuberant posts on the JK scene. Anyone in the whole world with access to the internet can read them and the effect on supply and demand is potentially much greater than someone giving a nice tip on their own initiative _after_ the deed. This unwelcome "PR" may also have consequences for the delicate balance between prostitution and religion in Indonesia, which is not as stable as some seem to think.

You make a good point but I still contest that overtipping DOES eventually make a big difference with how much the girls eventually start to expect. It can't not matter when the girls start to talk among themselves and start getting jealous that her friend got this much and I only got this much. It's just human nature.

Also, I seriously doubt the local authorities pay any attention whatsoever to what's written on a message board unless it refers to something of an illegal nature.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

Went to Lokasari tonight at 7:30 PM. Sat outside KFC. No Mammasans. Only the usual array of longtimers at Barburger. Girl said Mammasan had stroke. Walked around the neighborhood. No offers. Went home.

I'm guessing you arrived a bit too late for the part-time semi-pro crowd. These are girls that need to be home by a reasonable hour because they have school or work the next day, thus they get an earlier start than the bar crowd. Try going around 4, 4:30 and see what you find if you're still in the area.

[Irish Mongrel]

No, *******, I did not overpay my first trip nor any other trip. I did my research and went with the going rate, as always. To support these morons who tip three times the amount they should is irresponsible on many levels. I guess a drunken Irishman wouldn't understand that though.

Understand it well little teetotal Gaijin. Everybody overpays at some time or other, everybody's dumb snake hits a "girl you have to have" no matter the price. But to state that one person's overpaying is going to ruin the market is BS, and to lambast somebody for that idea is BS, it is all market forces. One guy buying a car from a car lot at the sticker-ed price doesn't mean that everybody's going to be doing that from now on. And that's all your doing.

[NoGermaphobe]

Completely agree. We've already seen it with almost all the North Jakarta discos with working ladies and an on site setup similar to Classic being closed over the past 10 years. Stadium (a national treasure, had incredible ladies on the 3rd and 4th floors), Millies was closed as well. (Maybe Crown is still a thing? Or was it closed as well?) Maybe it was the drugs like they said. Maybe it was 2 birds, 1 stone. We've also seen low end places like the train tracks torn down and closed. Long before the train tracks another low end place, Kali Jodo was shuttered. And the government closed Alexis level 7, which was amazing. Alexis was specifically targeted by the Jakarta governor and he campaigned on closing it. I think the scene is a lot more fragile than a lot of people think. Lokasari used to have 4 or 5 brothels that have all disappeared. (Although with those I don't know if they were closed by the government or not.). Dolly, once one of the largest brothel complexes in the world in Surabaya was closed. The common thread here was plain. Too much exposure. Too much attention.

The scene in Jakarta is mostly designed for locals and not foreigners. We are so incredibly fortunate that we are welcomed and avoid things like two tier foreigner pricing, denied entry or ladies reserved only for (XYZ race). I would just encourage everyone to consider Cucumber's post below.

However, rather than squabble over this, I think some people posting here should reflect on the effects of their exuberant posts on the JK scene. Anyone in the whole world with access to the internet can read them and the effect on supply and demand is potentially much greater than someone giving a nice tip on their own initiative _after_ the deed. This unwelcome "PR" may also have consequences for the delicate balance between prostitution and religion in Indonesia, which is not as stable as some seem to think.

[Cucumber]

Common sense, right? Which seems so rare it should be considered a superpower on this board.

The concept that big tippers ruin the market makes little sense. A tip is up to the customer and is paid after the deed. The price agreed up front remains the same. In the worst case, girls may _expect_ bigger tips from other customers. But since tipping is fundamentally a voluntary thing, those who don't like those expectations are at their liberty to ignore them. I am a liberal tipper, but I drive a hard bargain when it comes to the agreed price (when there is any leeway. In most of these establishments it is fixed anyway).

However, rather than squabble over this, I think some people posting here should reflect on the effects of their exuberant posts on the JK scene. Anyone in the whole world with access to the internet can read them and the effect on supply and demand is potentially much greater than someone giving a nice tip on their own initiative _after_ the deed. This unwelcome "PR" may also have consequences for the delicate balance between prostitution and religion in Indonesia, which is not as stable as some seem to think.

[June Fly]

Hey Mate, Nice report. Your experience at Kings Cross is spot on. There is only one Mamasan available, you have to wait for a bit until she comes to you. They had four price ranges, 400 k, 600 k, 800,1 M. And they cater to different clientele that are willing to splurge on expensive bottles. Personally, I'm there for business rather than drinks, so I left after one session to other bars.

I figured I would check out Kings Cross tonight. It is a shame it is about 30-35 minutes away but it was worth the trip. I was not too keen on the setup as it was just a bunch of girls sitting at tables on their phones. You had to wait for the only Mamasan to come over to get you a line up. This took a while as there were a couple other guys waiting. I saw one in a lineup for one of the other guys that I thought was really cute. When she finally got to me I told her who I wanted. She was a knockout!! She was very pretty with a slim body type and good size breasts. My favorite looker so far. Mamasan said it was 631000 for the girl and I said let's go. We went to the room which was pretty nice and big. We took showers and then hit the bed. She was one of the better kissers this trip and the body was just my type. Skinny with boobs does it for me. She did the BBBJ and then came the cover. We went for a bit and I said I couldn't cum because of the condom. She got her phone out and translated that she would do BBFS for 500000 tip For this girl I would have paid 1 million. I don't last long after I went in BB. My best session yet.

I think I am done for the night but who knows. Maybe Kota Indah will be calling before I go to sleep.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

I agree 100 k-150 k is sufficient at any end of spectrum. 300 k will eventually spoil and raise their expectations.

Common sense, right? Which seems so rare it should be considered a superpower on this board.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

Ah, here we go, the expert slagging off the guy on his first trip to Indonesia. I'm sure you overpaid on your first trip, just won't admit it. I sure as hell did. And it certainly didn't destroy the market.

Years ago, before the internet even existed, we still actually fucked around, and when you knew no better you paid what you thought was a good price. Which tended to be wayyyyyyy over the top during your first forays in Asia as you didn't realize it was so cheap. Who gives a toss about what he paid. It will have zero impact on the market, the girl / s just had a lucky day.

No, *******, I did not overpay my first trip nor any other trip. I did my research and went with the going rate, as always. To support these morons who tip three times the amount they should is irresponsible on many levels. I guess a drunken Irishman wouldn't understand that though.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

Bro, I cracked up when I read your post. I guess some guys are at the receiving end no matter what they do in life. LOL.

And you call yourself an experienced punter! Woof!

Right? LOL.

[I Love Boobs]

Bro, I cracked up when I read your post. I guess some guys are at the receiving end no matter what they do in life. LOL.

And you call yourself an experienced punter! Woof!

I'm experienced enough to know that sometimes I need a different viewpoint.

I learn and live.

I appreciate the helpful insights and advice from other brothers here.

[Elkins]

Went to Lokasari tonight at 7:30 PM. Sat outside KFC. No Mammasans. Only the usual array of longtimers at Barburger. Girl said Mammasan had stroke. Walked around the neighborhood. No offers. Went home.

[Banana Boi]

Hey, thanks for the review CP. I like your go with the flow style. Glad you're enjoying Jakarta.

Kings Cross tonight. <snip> Mamasan said it was 631000 for the girl and I said let's go.

Do you know if this girl was a special model? IIRC King's Cross is the same price as Classic/Travel/KI. Also 631k seems like a very odd number for a standard rate.

I'm not here to preach you on how much you tip. Knock yourself out. I tip more than others too if I really like the girl and she goes beyond her job duties. However, standard tip at the brothels (not spas) is really only 100k in case you weren't aware. Again, tip whatever makes you happy.

[Gonzo Two]

I'm an experienced punter, but the level of lies, deceit and perfidy are just at a new level.

I don't even know what to believe.

And her Whatsapp status has her reciting the Quran and cleaning her father's grave for Idul Fitir.

And she wanted me to convert to Islam first before marrying her.

Haha. Yeah, well. She's probably got a steady boyfriend too, a good sturdy Sundanese lad who she's half promised to marry. She won't let him get past first base, because he doesn't want her to think she's a ****. It's different with foreigners. The usual rules don't apply.

My first "nice girl" girl friend in Java, many years ago, let me shag her the first time she came back to my place, second date. The big heart break and tragedy of her life was the medical student boyfriend she'd been dating for a couple of years but had just broken up with. She never had sex with him. And completely in love with him. I was just a fling.