Jakarta

[Blacka0]

Last time I was there, it was a little over 600 k for an hour with the girl in a room. I haven't paid lower than 600 k there in over a year. I'm not saying there might not be some lower priced girls there, but I haven't found them recently. I do know that there are girls who are more expensive there than 600 k.

Well have been many times to kingkross so let me explain if you come at ground floor when you look left those are the cheap girls around 450 and when you go to the right there you have the more pretty girls from around 600 in front of them are the Chinese and Vietnamese girls they go around 1.3 k. You pick a girl sign the with the mamasan and off you go to the rooms.

[Smoothy]

420,000 at Kings Cross sounds lower than what I've read elsewhere.

Last time I was there, it was a little over 600 k for an hour with the girl in a room. I haven't paid lower than 600 k there in over a year. I'm not saying there might not be some lower priced girls there, but I haven't found them recently. I do know that there are girls who are more expensive there than 600 k.

[Dave #2]

420,000 at Kings Cross sounds lower than what I've read elsewhere.

All of your assessments are correct, including concerning overpayment. The whole point of many in-hotel massages is to get the customer into a situation where they are relaxed and gradually aroused without any pressure and then tempted into wildly overpaying for women that are not that attractive and / or not that good in bed. The key moment in the massage is usually while you are lying on your stomach and she is working on your thighs with large circular movements and for every circle the hand on the inside of your thigh comes further under you and up towards your pelvic area sliding swiftly along the seam between your thigh and your belly, without touching your penis or touching it only very slightly and ambivalently as to whether it is an accident or not. When this is repeated enough times you start thinking what the hell, one has to live, carpe diem. What's special about this business model / sexual interaction is that it allows her to do all the work and give your body lots of attention while she at the same time can be the innocent masseuse just doing her job for the rich foreigner and you still get to be the hunter.

Let me give you one piece of sincere and friendly advice: get your ass over as soon the hell as you can to Classic or, if you have time for a taxi ride (40-80 minutes depending on distance and traffic), even better to Kings Cross. If you do this now, you will just be kicking yourself for not having done it earlier. If you wait and do it later in life, you will kick yourself much harder for not doing it earlier, kick yourself for not doing it while in Jakarta, kick your self for being a dick head and wasting your life.

In Classic go to the second floor (counting with an un-numbered ground floor), don't let the mamasans push you around, take your time, select a girl you like, perhaps one who speaks some English (which is perhaps 10% of them), make sure she is ok going with you and will be warm (ask "good service? Pay the mamasan and go to the room. Don't go for a threesome at this stage, even if it is dirt cheap. In the room you both have a shower. Enjoy watching her squatting and rinsing herself out in the glass shower cubicle, it's like a piece of art. Afterwards tip the girl if she was nice to you.

In Kings Cross, select one of the Indonesian girls, not the foreigners, which are much higher priced and of no particular interest to you. I was at Kings Cross yesterday. I had two gorgeous girls 20 (Queena / Rettna) and 18 years old (Marisha) (one at a time). They may not look so impressive on photos, but with their clothes off they had unbelieavable bodies, I couldn't have made them more perfect if I were God. Super petite, super firm, flat-bellied, large breasts that are so big and bouncy and protruding they look like silicone but are not, miniscule waists, swollen pelvic mounds, perfectly shaped round globe asses, very little and very soft pubic hair not because of shaving or some treatment but because that is the way they are, slim legs with a nice gap, cute little feet, pouty kissable lips, tight pussies, really tight. Both were total GFE: French kissing, ticklish because they are young and sensitive and excited, hungry blow jobbing, happy about a lubed finger massaging the outside of their anus during sex, eye-flirting, joking, hugging, asking for phone numbers. They got so wet that they were embarrassed about it. Life doesn't get much better than that. The price was only 420 000 per girl + substantial tipping for the fantastic service. I am not particularly young or good looking. You are not guaranteed or even likely to have experiences like that on your first tries, because it takes time and experience and luck to hit those jackpots. But I am sure you will not regret going done this lane.

If your massage turns out to have been the first step towards moving on to serious mongering, you did not overpay at all.

[ISOtrim]

Awesome advice Cucumber. Part of my apprehension was not knowing "the drill" at Classic, and others, and not being in the mood to "figure it out. " I plan on running your play shortly.

The masseuse ran pretty much the exact game you describe, but she wasn't bad looking. Maybe only a six in the face, but a solid 8 in the body. Nice and firm and slender. So, It was pretty nice to finish up and be in my own room in less than ten minutes. And I slept like a baby to boot. I'll look at the whole thing as a lesson learned, and investment toward better things in my mongering future.

Cheers!

[WhatDHell]

All of your assessments are correct, including concerning overpayment. The whole point of many in-hotel massages is to get the customer into a situation where they are relaxed and gradually aroused without any pressure and then tempted into wildly overpaying for women that are not that attractive and / or not that good in bed. The key moment in the massage is usually while you are lying on your stomach.

In Classic go to the second floor (counting with an un-numbered ground floor), don't let the mamasans push you around, take your time, select a girl you like, perhaps one who speaks some English (which is perhaps 10% of them), make sure she is ok going with you and will be warm (ask "good service? Pay the mamasan and go to the room. Don't go for a threesome at this stage, even if it is dirt cheap. In the room you both have a shower.

Reading this was like having my thoughts being read back to me. Very good advise!

[Cucumber]

I will be brief and vague, so as to avoid details that would unknowingly identify me to colleagues who might also peruse these forums, though I am a true novice in the sense that I have never paid for an orgasm before.....

All of your assessments are correct, including concerning overpayment. The whole point of many in-hotel massages is to get the customer into a situation where they are relaxed and gradually aroused without any pressure and then tempted into wildly overpaying for women that are not that attractive and / or not that good in bed. The key moment in the massage is usually while you are lying on your stomach and she is working on your thighs with large circular movements and for every circle the hand on the inside of your thigh comes further under you and up towards your pelvic area sliding swiftly along the seam between your thigh and your belly, without touching your penis or touching it only very slightly and ambivalently as to whether it is an accident or not. When this is repeated enough times you start thinking what the hell, one has to live, carpe diem. What's special about this business model / sexual interaction is that it allows her to do all the work and give your body lots of attention while she at the same time can be the innocent masseuse just doing her job for the rich foreigner and you still get to be the hunter.

Let me give you one piece of sincere and friendly advice: get your ass over as soon the hell as you can to Classic or, if you have time for a taxi ride (40-80 minutes depending on distance and traffic), even better to Kings Cross. If you do this now, you will just be kicking yourself for not having done it earlier. If you wait and do it later in life, you will kick yourself much harder for not doing it earlier, kick yourself for not doing it while in Jakarta, kick your self for being a dick head and wasting your life.

In Classic go to the second floor (counting with an un-numbered ground floor), don't let the mamasans push you around, take your time, select a girl you like, perhaps one who speaks some English (which is perhaps 10% of them), make sure she is OK going with you and will be warm (ask "good service? Pay the mamasan and go to the room. Don't go for a threesome at this stage, even if it is dirt cheap. In the room you both have a shower. Enjoy watching her squatting and rinsing herself out in the glass shower cubicle, it's like a piece of art. Afterwards tip the girl if she was nice to you.

In Kings Cross, select one of the Indonesian girls, not the foreigners, which are much higher priced and of no particular interest to you. I was at Kings Cross yesterday. I had two gorgeous girls 20 (Queena / Rettna) and 18 years old (Marisha) (one at a time). They may not look so impressive on photos, but with their clothes off they had unbelievable bodies, I couldn't have made them more perfect if I were God. Super petite, super firm, flat-bellied, large breasts that are so big and bouncy and protruding they look like silicone but are not, minuscule waists, swollen pelvic mounds, perfectly shaped round globe asses, very little and very soft pubic hair not because of shaving or some treatment but because that is the way they are, slim legs with a nice gap, cute little feet, pouty kissable lips, tight pussies, really tight. Both were total GFE: French kissing, ticklish because they are young and sensitive and excited, hungry blow jobbing, happy about a lubed finger massaging the outside of their anus during sex, eye-flirting, joking, hugging, asking for phone numbers. They got so wet that they were embarrassed about it. Life doesn't get much better than that. The price was only 420 000 per girl + substantial tipping for the fantastic service. I am not particularly young or good looking. You are not guaranteed or even likely to have experiences like that on your first tries, because it takes time and experience and luck to hit those jackpots. But I am sure you will not regret going done this lane.

If your massage turns out to have been the first step towards moving on to serious mongering, you did not overpay at all.

[ISOtrim]

I will be brief and vague, so as to avoid details that would unknowingly identify me to colleagues who might also peruse these forums, though I am a true novice in the sense that I have never paid for an orgasm before. At least not directly in cash for the service. This is to say that better Intel proceeds my report in the forum from people with more experience who have paid less and received more.

But I am staying in a major globally branded hotel in the central area of town. I recently popped into the spa for a massage near closing time, not expecting any special treatment, as I have been a long time lurker of these forums but have never acted on any of the tips in the various regions that I travel. I am not particularly adept at reading these situations, and the provider had to be fairly blunt before I was willing to acknowledge her.

In any case, the massage was decent, and I wondered, but had no realistic expectations of being propositioned due to the high profile brand of this hotel chain. Apparently, Jakarta is bursting at the seams with sex workers, and the general tone of this forum not overstated.

The masseuse worked close, but not unusually or suspiciously close to my crotch. Yet, It was enough to arouse me to the point where she asked if we were through or if I wanted to extend the session.

I didn't know how to respond, as there was a bit of a language barrier, but after some coy insinuation, she bluntly asked if there was anything special that I wanted. So I asked what she wanted in return and she offered through miming a hand job, clothed for "5". Now, keep in mind that I wasn't sure what she was saying until her tits were out and my dick was in her hand. So I had to pause and ask what she expected for this and she showed me 7 fingers. I knew I was being ripped off based on what I've read here, but didn't know how to back the price down at this point (beginner's folly). So I thought "fuck it" and reached for what I could grab and let her finish me off. She was nice and sensual about it, kissing and licking my neck and chest, cupping my balls, massaging my taint and encouraged my groping.

So I calculate paying 3 to 5 times what the service was worth. But as a first experience it took the anxiety out of travelling to places like Classic, Malioboro or Alexis to break my cherry. The worst thing is, if I return to the spa I've set a bad precedent, so I'll have to travel to avoid paying the stupid tax. Live and learn.

[Cucumber]

I have been trying out Badoo. There are a lot of girls there, a lot of whom don't seem to mind someone twice their age. But one thing has left me wondering: very many of them have selected the option under "Sexuality" that they are "open-minded", whereas I have selected "heterosexual". A few have selected bisexual, but most are just "open-minded". I am wondering what this really means, that they are bi-curious or that when they fill in the form in Indonesian the options are different and this means something else? If they all mean that they are something like bi-curious there must be an awful lot of sexual interaction between Indonesian girls, which would open up some interesting options.

[Cucumber]

As mentioned in a previous post, Classic and most other major venues were closed on Monday, seemingly due to the start of Ramadan. But they opened again yesterday. I went to classic and had a good time, though it was different from the way it usually is. There were a bit fewer girls, a good bit fewer customers (so all in all not a bad balance), the girls were all in civilian clothes (mostly jeans), there was no music until 8 pm and there was more lighting than usual. I actually enjoyed the change. The girls looked significantly less attractive in their jeans but that just sharpened my selection instinct, and once I got my chosen ones in the room and out of their clothes there were some fantastic bodies.

Today I went to Malioboro and the situation seemed similar there, although the dancers were still going (but not showing that much skin). I never thought Malioboro was a very good venue anyway. You pay 900 000 or 1. 1 mill for the same type of girl you get for 350 000 in Classic. Yeah definitely there is a considerable starfish risk in Classic, but so is there in Malioboro.

After Malioboro I dropped by Travel and the situation there was similar. A bit lower key than usual, but perfectly ok. And again I confirmed my impression that Travel is not a great place for me. Unlike Classic, in Travel it seems basically impossible to work the scene, engage seriously with the girls before selecting them and both the girls and the mamas have a mean businesslike attitude. In Classic (2nd /3rd floor depending on how you count) the mamas are pushy as hell, but once you realize that its just hawking and that you don't have to do what they tell you, you can socialise a lot there before making your choice (or the girl's choice).

What everybody told me is that now the places will continue to be open in the same way for the rest of June, before closing for a few days again in connection with the end of Ramadan in early July, and then after that things will go back to normal.

[Fast Eddie 48]

Heading to Jakarta next week. Will be staying at the Ritz in Mega Kuningan.

I usually go to Delta Spa near by. Will Delta be open during Ramadan? How about other spas like MyPlace?

Any other places you would recommend in Mega Kuningan area? May end up checking out BATS or Block M.

Thanks for any advice. Really appreciate all the helpful info on the forum.

To Dave # 2.

There are always actions here if you know where to go if you are coming next week it should be OK, most sauna and brothel only closed down a few days on the first week of Ramadan just ask the taxi guy or just call delta first before you go.

Fast Eddie 48.

[Dave #2]

Heading to Jakarta next week. Will be staying at the Ritz in Mega Kuningan.

I usually go to Delta Spa near by. Will Delta be open during Ramadan? How about other spas like MyPlace?

Any other places you would recommend in Mega Kuningan area? May end up checking out BATS or Block M.

Thanks for any advice. Really appreciate all the helpful info on the forum.

[Ceegee]

Ramadan. I've been in town for a few days and did not even realize it was Ramadan. My MO is possibly different to most, I work in the morning so need my beauty sleep. I use the various dating sites / apps to have the girls come to my hotel. Starting out a big night at 11 pm and rolling back to my hotel at 4 am is just not an option for me. I've built up some regulars over the years and usually rotate between them but am always on the lookout for new talent.

Was just talking to a girl on Badoo who was lamenting the fact that BATS is closed. When I asked how much she wanted to come to my room she offered 2 million. I tried to explain that one of my regulars just left with 700 and was quite happy, but she would rather have nothing than my 700. Meh, my balls are empty anyway.

[Cucumber]

I just went to Classic. To my dismay, it was closed. The massage service in my hotel is also closed. They say it is because of "Ramadan day". I hope this is just to mark the beginning of Ramadan, and not for the rest of the month. The guards outside Classic said it would open again tomorrow, but I am not sure whether that means tomorrow Tuesday or tomorrow in a couple of days. In the hotel they said the massage service would only open in a couple of days, i.e. on Wednesday. Anybody out there know how long they will be closed, and whether any other places are open today?

[Jaojoby]

There was a gorgeous Thai lady boy working Malioboro about 10 years ago. It was amazing how popular she was with the local indos and local chinese clients there. As soon as the lady boy would come downstairs, she / he would be immediately selected again and go right back up. I was surprised Malioboro was allowing a lady boy to work there. Indos are not used to post-op lady boys and how they can look and feel basically exactly like women. My bet is that those guys had no idea they were having sex with a lady boy, and would deny it even today if you asked them if it was a lady boy (because they don't realize it). My recommendation to anyone is to avoid any Thais in those places.

I agree with you that KC is the best alternative of these 3 places. It seems many here prefer Hotel Classic because it is dirt cheap. But the combination of quality and service is so drastically superior at KC, I find Classic to be a waste of time. It just depends what you are wanting. If you want a cheap shag with a young girl and don't care if the service is starfish, you can't beat Hotel Classic. I have honestly never tried the dancers at KC, but there are some there that I would like to sample for sure.

My guess is that the Thai lady boy at Alexis is a post-op (amputee) and pretends to be a woman, although it is obvious to anyone with BKK experience that this is not the case. At first glance the knockers were extremely tempting, until I got them into proper focus. The problem that many post-ops have is that their artificial vagina is not very big or very robust which can make it painful to have sex repeatedly, or even at all in some cases. Customers in the know will usually opt to bum shag them but, if they are pretending to be bona fide females, they will usually try to make their trick come with a BJ before he has time to investigate what is in their knickers too closely. Some may have a robust enough artificial vagina to to have regular sex with plenty of KY but would have to prevent the customer from fingering them as the orifice is likely to feel unnatural without a proper clit and will not self lubricate at all, if someone gets to it before the KY. The pre-ops pretending to be female in TH will always go for a quick BJ finale, usually refusing to drop their knickers on the grounds of having a period LOL. Nana Plaza in Bkk is going more and more LB for the new Chinese clientele, some of whom know what they are doing and some don't. I imagine it's the same thing at upscale places in Jakarta.

I agree it is best to avoid the Thai girls. They are likely to have been around a few times and be hardened hookers by the time they ply their wares overseas. Much better to go to the source for Thais and try locals in Indo.

[Smoothy]

One or two of the Thais looked OK but most had silicone tits and one tall one with a hugely inflated bust was quite obviously a lady boy (post-op I presumed! The lady boy caught me looking at it and started commented to the others in Thai that I was looking at it, obviously unaware I live in TH and speak the language. Not wanting any trouble I decided not to engage with the Thais.

There was a gorgeous Thai lady boy working Malioboro about 10 years ago. It was amazing how popular she was with the local indos and local chinese clients there. As soon as the lady boy would come downstairs, she / he would be immediately selected again and go right back up. I was surprised Malioboro was allowing a lady boy to work there. Indos are not used to post-op lady boys and how they can look and feel basically exactly like women. My bet is that those guys had no idea they were having sex with a lady boy, and would deny it even today if you asked them if it was a lady boy (because they don't realize it). My recommendation to anyone is to avoid any Thais in those places.

I agree with you that KC is the best alternative of these 3 places. It seems many here prefer Hotel Classic because it is dirt cheap. But the combination of quality and service is so drastically superior at KC, I find Classic to be a waste of time. It just depends what you are wanting. If you want a cheap shag with a young girl and don't care if the service is starfish, you can't beat Hotel Classic. I have honestly never tried the dancers at KC, but there are some there that I would like to sample for sure.