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08-24-16 22:03 #10896
Posts: 616Originally Posted by LifeIsABeach [View Original Post]
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08-24-16 21:07 #10895
Posts: 765USA Passport card
Originally Posted by Traveler1234 [View Original Post]
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08-24-16 20:38 #10894
Posts: 2601Originally Posted by NattyBumpo [View Original Post]
But it does state "passport" on the card and hey, with a few rupiah 'stucked to back' of card, can't hurt. I recall back in early 90's living in Jakarta and taking the kids to school one day. Driver was sick, cop pulled me over and I gave him the lunch money to avoid getting ticket.
YMMV.
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08-24-16 19:21 #10893
Posts: 3040This is a quote from the US Passport Web site:
"The passport card is a credit-card size USA Passport that, just like a passport book, is proof of USA Citizenship and identity. It is more convenient and less expensive than a passport book, but can only be used to re-enter the United States at land border crossings and sea ports-of-entry from:
Canada.
Mexico.
The Caribbean.
Bermuda.
The passport card cannot be used for international air travel. ".
So I wonder what real value it would have in a place like Jakarta over a copy of my passport book and my Drivers License. I suppose some, but would it matter to a cop out to shake me down or one with an anti American grudge? And since I have never been hassled for not having a passport in my possession except in Colombia in the bad old days, I am not too worried about it now.
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08-24-16 16:24 #10892
Posts: 1600Originally Posted by Traveler1234 [View Original Post]
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08-24-16 14:40 #10891
Posts: 2601Originally Posted by PrisonBreak [View Original Post]
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08-24-16 14:25 #10890
Posts: 533Originally Posted by PrisonBreak [View Original Post]
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08-24-16 09:09 #10889
Posts: 536To all the people who live there what does the law say? Is it enough to carry a copy of passport with me in case there is a police check or not?
I don't want to carry my original passport at night since I don't want to lose it.
Corrupted cops in any country always try to scare tourists so they can bribe them more quickly. It s a common tactic.
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08-23-16 05:21 #10888
Posts: 616Originally Posted by Bkk212 [View Original Post]
Since that incident I do almost always carry my passport while in Jakarta. Although I have been stopped only one additional time (I noted where most of the stops in North Jakarta were being made and avoided them), showing my passport got me through that checkpoint. One might counter that if a policeman wants a bribe, he will find out a way even if one has his original passport with him, but I think the phrase "honor among thieves," might apply here, at least to some extent. Meaning even a corrupt policeman has to rationalize his own behavior, and adopt certain rules, such as "it is okay to solicit a bribe from someone who is breaking the law, but not from someone who is not. " It undoubtedly is a rule that does not apply 100 percent of the time but I suspect more often than not a policeman in Jakarta is not going to go out of their way to shake someone down who has their passport with them and is otherwise complying with the law.
So, I nearly always carry my passport while in Indonesia. In Thailand I never do owing to my assessment the risk is much lower although I am a bit concerned about whether things might at some point get a bit more difficult under the military dictatorship.
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08-23-16 04:57 #10887
Posts: 175I posted the details, but have a question
I posted some more details about the experience with immigration, in 2 parts.
In your post you said that you always carry your passport, were you aware that you had to or were you just being cautious?
Reason why I asked, is while I was living in Bangkok I never carried my passport but had my drivers license on me at all times. When I was stopped by police this was enough for them when they checked. However it wasn't enough for the IDN immigration.
Originally Posted by LAGuy5 [View Original Post]
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08-23-16 04:53 #10886
Posts: 175Immigration details. Part 2
In the office they were processing individuals at a very slow pace. Some of the others were from UK and other English speaking countries so we started to discuss among ourselves what was going on. Being held because we did have our passport and not being allowed to go and get it, really doesn't make any sense. Until one guy claimed that we would have to pay 250,000 IDR each as a fine to leave. But around 4:00 am they (immigration) decided that they would stop processing and that we would have to wait until the morning for when the "big boss" arrives. So once again we asked why can we not go and get our passports, no answer and at this point they (all of them) started to pretend that they can't speak English so they can't understand what we are asking.
At 9:00 am the next day some of the other individuals contacted their embassy and the embassies sent someone to help them out, but what the embassy individuals did was got to the hotels and bring the passports to the office. I contacted the Canadian embassy which was of no help whatsoever. On the trip by myself I was stuck as what to do. So I called the Novotel manager and he went to my room and sent the bellboy with my passport to the office. However the bellboy got the run around for about 3 hours (which I did not have any contact with him except by phone), after 3 hrs he called the manager who came down in person to speak with the whomever. He apparently made some progress as about 4 pm on Wednesday the "big boss. Stephen Gentes" came to speak with me to tell me that I would be processed later. Later was around 10:00 pm on Wednesday in which they checked / verified what they had to do and I was allowed to leave. The manager of the hotel really did help me out quite a bit and for that I am eternally grateful.
Someone asked about a bribe but I wasn't about to pay any bribes if that was ever a topic with me I would have called the hotel manager once again to intervene. But some of the other guys were telling me that they were told they had to pay 2. 5 M IDR to get released, he got this from his wife as she was discussing this with the officers. How true this is I don't know.
This is my very disappointing experience in Jakarta for July 2016, I have been coming here semi-annually for almost 10 years. Looks like I will have to choose BKK next time for my holidays.
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08-23-16 04:35 #10885
Posts: 175Immigration details
Hi All,
I had a few questions about my immigration issue so I will try to answer them now.
But first I saw a post about the threesome in Jakarta and as much as I would like to try this every time I go to Jakarta I can't seem to make it happen for the best result. About 1 year ago I tried 2 girls from the mama on Gajah Mada but it was a nightmare experience. And now I am concerned about the WOS in the Novotel as now I am known by everyone so what I do is surely passed around in the hotel.
Ok immigration details: I was leaving the Novotel on 26th July, 2016 around 11:45 pm (my usual time) on my way to Blok M. As I left the hotel I noticed a group of people with TV cameras out on the street in front of the hotel but I paid no attention to them and walked past. That's when several individuals claiming to be immigration officers approached me and asked for my passport, now I was still on Novotel property I didn't leave the hotel area when they approached me, as I didn't have my passport they told me I had to wait in the van that was parked on the street. While waiting they were manhandling several other tourists walking by on the street. We were taken to the immigration office in Kota and asked to wait there until the "boss" arrived. He did around 1:00 am and those who had their passports were processed first. There were about 45 individuals in the room, about 6 from the Novotel myself and 5 other Chinese (who had their passports). Others were from different hotels in the area.
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08-22-16 20:32 #10884
Posts: 150Threesome
Originally Posted by Smoothy [View Original Post]
Regards,
Ko
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08-19-16 08:52 #10883
Posts: 123Originally Posted by LAGuy5 [View Original Post]
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08-19-16 05:46 #10882
Posts: 117Originally Posted by Bkk212 [View Original Post]