Jakarta

[Goferring]

As for an Asian city to retire in, Tokyo, Seoul, Bangkok, Hong Kong have more things to do but I could retire in Jakarta.

There is a huge difference between living somewhere, especially as a retiree with time on one's hand, and visiting for a couple of weeks play, as I'm sure you are aware.

Jakarta has a huge expat worker population but not a large retiree one (pre covid). A few factors. Without work there isn't a lot of new things to do over time. There are great malls but that gets tiring week after week Even catching up with buddies can be a nightmare if it's in traffic. Since the collapse of Blok M, there really isn't one area to go bar hopping. Now it's really only one or two places per night, again due to traffic.

Most retirees, even those that worked in Jakarta, will move out to the provinces of Java, Bali or similar.

[Egy Monger New]

I'm not an expat but I seriously considered it. The malls in Jakarta are huge with TONS of good restaurants. Grand Indonesia, Kota Kasablanka, and Mall of Indonesia to name a few. Kota Indah opened at 3 pm, Classic and Travel earlier than that (1 pm?). The Kimochi Mabes around the city were open very early too. Unsure which will survive COVID lockdowns. I usually only hobby and eat every day so didn't do much else in Jakarta. I did go to Ancol Beach which was disappointing and I enjoy the small yet interesting night market at Old Jakarta City Hall.

As for an Asian city to retire in, Tokyo, Seoul, Bangkok, Hong Kong have more things to do but I could retire in Jakarta.

All those places you mentioned have been shut since March 2020.

The Kota Indah brothels are alive and kicking. As an added bonus, they're now for the first time ever open during Ramadan (with the exception of Starmoon).

[Banana Boi]

Can I ask, for those expats who live in Jakarta long term, what are there to do in Jakarta day in and day out, that you may want to live close to? Modern malls with air conditioning? Restaurants?

I'm not an expat but I seriously considered it. The malls in Jakarta are huge with TONS of good restaurants. Grand Indonesia, Kota Kasablanka, and Mall of Indonesia to name a few. Kota Indah opened at 3 pm, Classic and Travel earlier than that (1 pm?). The Kimochi Mabes around the city were open very early too. Unsure which will survive COVID lockdowns. I usually only hobby and eat every day so didn't do much else in Jakarta. I did go to Ancol Beach which was disappointing and I enjoy the small yet interesting night market at Old Jakarta City Hall.

As for an Asian city to retire in, Tokyo, Seoul, Bangkok, Hong Kong have more things to do but I could retire in Jakarta.

[Adindas]

I'd say it very much depends on the background of the girl and were you pick her up from.

The majority of my regular P4 P would BBFS, but only after the first couple of meetings. Only one wanted CIP, but I didn't do it. All girls have wanted condom on first meeting, which didn't worry me. I only picked up from expat bars, clubs in high end hotels or well known night-clubs. I switched to Tinder, initially as a bit of fun, but found that to be a gold mine pre-covid. I had no need to go near a bar or club, unless it was for a drink with a regular "date". My last pre-covid Tinder pick-up pushed a condom very hard the first night, by the third night she was shagging my brains out without one, but there was no way in hell I was going to unload inside her. Didn't see the point, she was a 21 year old Uni Student, not going to screw that up for her.

The P4 P that did anal, which were a few, would do that without a condom straight out and no problems blowing a load in there.

I know some of my regulars would get tested, don't know how regular and I doubt that is every one. Having a clean pussy kept their reputation intact.

Thanks for useful information.

As someone who mongers here on a daily basis for years, the answer is yes.

Non P4P civilians, CJs / BATS, Kota brothels. All the same. However, some do ask you don't cum inside them (which I still do anyway).

And no such thing as testing or proof of testing.

Indonesian chics are submissive and non-confrontational by nature.

Thanks for useful information. Nice to hear this reconfirmation. I agree with you, IMHO the point of having a BB is to creampie that nice pussy (CIP). That is where all of the pleasure is coming from when reaching the climax. Even better when she could hold it until the last drop of your cum.

Each to their own, but in my personal there is no opinion of having a BB if you cannot creampie that nice pussy (CIP). But I am very anxious to have a BB if I am not sure that they are clean from any infection. HIV prevalent in Indonesia is indeed still very low but I do not want to play a Russian roulette with HIV or other incurable disease.

[Goferring]

In the 1800's and early 1900's, many Dutch landowners got a machete to the neck from Indonesian farm labourers running amok, after a lifetime of loyal service.

I'm guessing that was in Java and Sumatra??

Dyaks would have done it with a blow gun. It still happens in illegal mining and timber areas where a sudden influx will quickly outnumber the local population. Tolerance is practiced until village girls are hounded too much and the new lads are reminded it's in their interest to keep a respectable distance.

Yes, I was surprised to find "running amok" has Malay heritage.

[Engine Driver]

Until you cross the line in the sand. Then all hell breaks loose. Batak, Bugis and Kalimantan / Dyak girls flick the switch between nice and quiet then rampaging psychos if pushed too far.

Gofer, you are the Bahasa Indonesia expert here. I think this unpredictable psychotic behaviour from normally mild mannered people is called 'amok'. Many Indonesians and Malays are afflicted with this condition and it is well reported in psychiatry journals. In the 1800's and early 1900's, many Dutch landowners got a machete to the neck from Indonesian farm labourers running amok, after a lifetime of loyal service.

[Goferring]

Indonesian chics are submissive and non-confrontational by nature.

Until you cross the line in the sand. Then all hell breaks loose. Batak, Bugis and Kalimantan / Dyak girls flick the switch between nice and quiet then rampaging psychos if pushed too far.

[MasBule]

Can I ask, for those expats who live in Jakarta long term, what are there to do in Jakarta day in and day out, that you may want to live close to? Modern malls with air conditioning? Restaurants?

You didn't really speak about your hobbies or budget or work status?

Many expats will keep busy by working, going to an expat bar (probably 10 good ones all be told), surfing tinder and dating, reading a book, discovering street food, riding a bike (massively popular now), going to a gym. There is a massive coffee culture here (probably in contrast to a small alcohol culture) so if you into spending hours in a cafe you have lots of options.

The malls are the same all over the city, so don't base your home on the proximity to a mall as they are everywhere and generic.

Malls have some nice bars / restos, but they can be quite pricey such as Cork+Screw, Union, Social house. Malls have many restos at all price points, but the atmosphere is usually sub-standard. There are only very few bars / restos that I frequent in malls, because of the sterile feel of the malls.

Most of the guys I know have a strong network of buddies who they drink with on Fri / Sat nights, usually in Kemang, SCBD, Kuninghan areas.

Just be warned a night EP or McGettigans can cost 1 million a time, it quickly adds up if your there multiple times a week.

Those who are retired, live a pretty frugal life, or they move to Bali. Jakarta is place to get bored easy if your alone, especially during covid times.

[MasBule]

Indonesian chics are submissive and non-confrontational by nature.

Especially the Javanese and Sundanese.

Girls from Nthn Sumatra and (as recently discovered) girls from Manado, can be a bit stronger willed though.

[Egy Monger New]

Is BBFS+CIP standard in Indonesia? Are the girls regulerly tested? Do they ask any proof that the customer has been tested?? Thanks.

As someone who mongers here on a daily basis for years, the answer is yes.

Non P4P civilians, CJs / BATS, Kota brothels. All the same. However, some do ask you don't cum inside them (which I still do anyway).

And no such thing as testing or proof of testing.

Indonesian chics are submissive and non-confrontational by nature.

[Irish Mongrel]

Is BBFS+CIP standard in Indonesia? Are the girls regularly tested? Do they ask any proof that the customer has been tested?? Thanks.

I'd say it very much depends on the background of the girl and were you pick her up from.

The majority of my regular P4 P would BBFS, but only after the first couple of meetings. Only one wanted CIP, but I didn't do it. All girls have wanted condom on first meeting, which didn't worry me. I only picked up from expat bars, clubs in high end hotels or well known night-clubs. I switched to Tinder, initially as a bit of fun, but found that to be a gold mine pre-covid. I had no need to go near a bar or club, unless it was for a drink with a regular "date". My last pre-covid Tinder pick-up pushed a condom very hard the first night, by the third night she was shagging my brains out without one, but there was no way in hell I was going to unload inside her. Didn't see the point, she was a 21 year old Uni Student, not going to screw that up for her.

The P4 P that did anal, which were a few, would do that without a condom straight out and no problems blowing a load in there.

I know some of my regulars would get tested, don't know how regular and I doubt that is every one. Having a clean pussy kept their reputation intact.

[Adindas]

I read this as a troll. Then I saw you are a senior member! Sir, respectfully, I don't think you've ever been to a low income country with these question. In short: Yes indeed, of course NOT, and of course NOT. These questions you ask are all things which correlate with 1st world living and 1st world education levels, they don't even make sense in the context of so many places like this because the thought process doesn't even involve them at all.

I actually had an Indonesian girl trying to convince me to take the rubber off and I've only ever banged 2 in my life

Thanks. Indeed I am curious about it. But I met an indonesian guy a few years ago who told me that Indonesian people go to Brothels and have a BB sex and CIP with the girls which is in line with the statement from "Egy Monger New" statement.

But BB is not my cup of tea as I do not want to play a russian roulette.

[Parasitius]

Is BBFS+CIP standard in Indonesia? Are the girls regulerly tested? Do they ask any proof that the customer has been tested?? Thanks.

I read this as a troll. Then I saw you are a senior member! Sir, respectfully, I don't think you've ever been to a low income country with these question. In short: Yes indeed, of course NOT, and of course NOT. These questions you ask are all things which correlate with 1st world living and 1st world education levels, they don't even make sense in the context of so many places like this because the thought process doesn't even involve them at all.

I actually had an Indonesian girl trying to convince me to take the rubber off and I've only ever banged 2 in my life

[Adindas]

Geylang pre-2009 was great indeed, but I still say nothing beats Jakarta. Where else can you get practically guaranteed BBFS+CIP?

Is BBFS+CIP standard in Indonesia? Are the girls regulerly tested? Do they ask any proof that the customer has been tested?? Thanks.

[Menteng]

If you are referring to the pandemic, right now I'm not going there, no. Probably after things settled down a bit but that should be just months way.

Based on my research foreigners are allowed to buy certain properties with strata title. Must adhere to a few small rules (capped % of units in one condo building sold to foreigners etc.).

No, not meaning related to the pandemic, but in contrast to the past when it was not possible to purchase a house or apartment in Indonesia, as a foreigner.