Jakarta

[Vrsabien]

With election on and various public holidays, are most places going to be open, like Travel, Ckassic, KingX, Emporium?

[Smoothy]

The dancer with the Pajero. Her name isn't Cha Cha by any chance is it?

Don't most of the dancers call themselves Cha Cha at some point? LOL.

These girls often change their working names. I truly believe that every dancer I have taken home has used the name Cha Cha at some point. The last dancer I saw was called Jessica when I first met her. She then changed to Jasmine, then to Cha Cha, then to Putry, then to Alexa, then back to Jessica. The girl who currently lives with me told me her name was Cha Cha when I first met her. But the second time I met her, she told me her real name. For some reason, Cha Cha is a very popular fake name.

I know a dancer named Icha who drives a pajero. She used to call herself Cha Cha.

[Mskofmsk]

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[Kodja]

Although there are absolutely girls that are bound by high debts, I do want to put some things in perspective and say that it does not mean ALL girls are like that, even in the afore mentioned places.

For example: I have 2 Malio dancers who I regularly bang on their day off. One girl is completely debt free and never had one to begin with. She worked as an SPG in some mall at one point before she was introduced to the scene by a female friend, did a trial evening, decided she liked the easy money and stuck around, she's 20. The other one has been at Malio for 6 years, still has a rocking body at 25, and was debt free for 4 years. She then decided she wanted to buy a Pajero and took a 200 jt cash loan from the company to substitute her savings, obviously binding her. This loan bears 1% interest per month, although not a great deal its far away from loanshark / maffia practices.

The dancer with the Pajero. Her name isn't Cha Cha by any chance is it?

[Tommy Suharto]

True. It's also shocking how many of the girls were sold off by people they should have been able to trust: boyfriends, uncles etc. Many times a father's drinking or gambling debts are paid off with a pretty daughter.

Yup, something like that. Find below link. One of the better pieces of journalism on the supply line, how girls end up in Jakarta brothels:

https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/gir...23-13m8o9.html

[Goferring]

The girls who are sex slaves in places like Hotel Classic are helpless victims.

True. It's also shocking how many of the girls were sold off by people they should have been able to trust: boyfriends, uncles etc. Many times a father's drinking or gambling debts are paid off with a pretty daughter.

[Smoothy]

That's their own damn fault.

Exactly. That's why you should only go with the girls who are free lancers at places like BATS and CJs. They control their own destiny and it's their own damn fault. The girls who are sex slaves in places like Hotel Classic are helpless victims.

[Marky1]

I think you will struggle to find a girl who has been on the game for a while who is not bonded in some form. Even those that are not bound by a cash debt become addicted to the easy money and flashy toys. Add in family and peers who become use to looking the other way as nice gifts roll in and it's a habit that is hard to break.

That's their own damn fault.

[Goferring]

There are plenty of Indonesian girls interested in western men who have never been "bonded". You can find them walking around the malls, in offices, etc.

I was continuing the discussion about working girls and used a very wide definition of "bonded" to include the addiction to money, lifestyle etc.

I guess in many ways the same could be said about girls who continuously and repeatedly court whities. For most it's their only access to nice apartments, drivers and impressive IG travel selfies. These could become equally addicting if the girl's family situation was not able to independently provide them.

It's not unusual to see a girl break up with one bule and immediately move on to another. If this happens enough times she will be given the label SKB by local guys: suka kontol bule.

[Smoothy]

I think you will struggle to find a girl who has been on the game for a while who is not bonded in some form. Even those that are not bound by a cash debt become addicted to the easy money and flashy toys. Add in family and peers who become use to looking the other way as nice gifts roll in and it's a habit that is hard to break.

There are plenty of Indonesian girls interested in western men who have never been "bonded". You can find them walking around the malls, in offices, etc.

[Smoothy]

Completely agree. The walk of shame exists only between your ears.

I don't know about that. I was kicked out of an upscale apartment I was staying at because the upper class older Indonesian women complained about me bringing a different girl into their building every night. Admittedly, that was a rare circumstance and I've never had that problem in a hotel in Jakarta.

[Vrsabien]

Was in Jakarta and was flooded with 'Incall' massage offers. Engaged with them all and uniformly told them I cannot share room number and asked them to give me a call from the lobby. Standard reply from every one of those who sent me the offer was a big 'No'. The pictures they send you are of beautiful 20 something girls and all messages come from one 'handler' who will send older flabbier women to unsuspecting clients to their hotel rooms. Its easier for us to walk away from the girl waiting in the lobby once we realize its the wrong girl. Its probably not that easy to turn away a girl from your room. This whole thing is a scam suggest you don't fall for such offers on we chat.

You could always try and give them a room number down the hall, so when they turn up (not at your door) you can suss them out when they go past your door. Just try make sure its an empty room you send them to otherwise have some unhappy wife down the hall having go at husband for ordering a WG to the room!

[Goferring]

I agree that the dancers are not sex slaves. However, the other girls are sex slaves.

I think you will struggle to find a girl who has been on the game for a while who is not bonded in some form. Even those that are not bound by a cash debt become addicted to the easy money and flashy toys. Add in family and peers who become use to looking the other way as nice gifts roll in and it's a habit that is hard to break.

[CoolBilly09]

Was in Jakarta and was flooded with 'Incall' massage offers. Engaged with them all and uniformly told them I cannot share room number and asked them to give me a call from the lobby. Standard reply from every one of those who sent me the offer was a big 'No'. The pictures they send you are of beautiful 20 something girls and all messages come from one 'handler' who will send older flabbier women to unsuspecting clients to their hotel rooms. Its easier for us to walk away from the girl waiting in the lobby once we realize its the wrong girl. Its probably not that easy to turn away a girl from your room. This whole thing is a scam suggest you don't fall for such offers on we chat.

[Koperen Klaas]

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But fear not. As a meek, mild mannered engineer. You are just doing exactly what they all do so just pick up that confident stride and do it. It is only ever the walk of shame if that's what you feel. The difference is the dynamics of power and money in this country mean there's no shame involved.

Hope that helps.

OS.

Completely agree. The walk of shame exists only between your ears.

Regards.