Jakarta

[SteelBaton]

I have been to both places many times since 1990, but I think I'm done with the Philippines for a while. Yes there is more English and its easier to get around and yes the girls are probably more loving, but the deal-breaker for me is MILFs. Thats about all you find in AC and Manila. I remember my last trip to AC sitting the bar asking one of girls, which of the 35-40 visable girls, were not MILFs. The answer was 3, and all 3 of them were fat and chunky. When I monger, I'm not interested in older baby-damaged bodies and I'll put up with less GFE in order to have a sweet young spinner or a fresh-off-the-boat village girl. I think the Philippines norm is that the Catholics have too many kids and many mothers eventually feel they got to go to work to feed their kids. Whereas Thailand has a lot more young single girls trying to save some money for their future and send some money home to their parent’s village.

Of course that's a generalization and beautiful young single spinners can be found in Manila and there are plenty of hardcore MILFs working in Thailand, but the averages are much higher percentage of MILFs in Philippines.

So your answer lies in what type of women you are seeking.

Oh, and the food. There's no comparison, there's a reason why every city in Western Europe has multiple Thai restaurants but close to zero Filipina joints.

Tell us what you decide and looking forward to your trip reports and comparisons.

I am considering a week-long side trip to either the Phils or Thailand but can't seem to make up my mind. The landscape of mongering has changed over time, especially with the impact of Covid. For me, it's all about mongering.

Can those with more experience in both of those countries collectively offer some intelligent advice?

SEA Traveler.

[MarquisdeSade1]

I will never use WeChat personally. I don't need Xi and his CCP party goons collect and spy over my communication and other personal details. He and his party can go F#CK themselves.

There are many other options that you can leverage, like Telegram, WhatsApp, Line and even Twitter. Beware of scams too and never pay anything in advance. Your best defense against catfish is to meet outside in coffee shop. If you don't see what's advertised, you can simply walk away.

And once they are in your fone, they can go everywhere else!!

[PartyAnimal]

I will never use WeChat personally. I don't need Xi and his CCP party goons collect and spy over my communication and other personal details. He and his party can go F#CK themselves.

There are many other options that you can leverage, like Telegram, WhatsApp, Line and even Twitter. Beware of scams too and never pay anything in advance. Your best defense against catfish is to meet outside in coffee shop. If you don't see what's advertised, you can simply walk away.

Thanks. But WeChat only seems to have a feature where you can get a list of people nearby. Unfortunately I'm clueless how to do the same on Telegram / Twitter?

[Ggekko2009]

Thanks. Went there last night. I know what you mean now.

Also just wanted to check that I've been bombarded with messages like "you want massage mr" etc on my WeChat from girls. And they shared some pretty pictures. Is there a pro tip to guess if the pics / girls are genuine? I did reverse image search and also told the girls I would reject if they arrive and don't match the picture. But is there anything I can do to avoid disappointment? I mean it's a waste of time even if she shows up and I reject her.

At the very least some of these WeChat accounts have a very similar way of communicating and hence may be run by a agent. Don't mind as long as the pics are real and the service is good. I wanted to try the pickup route first given what you see is what you get, but didn't really work out, as the girls I liked were with someone already and those who approached me I didn't like them except 1 who quoted 5 juta for the night.

I will never use WeChat personally. I don't need Xi and his CCP party goons collect and spy over my communication and other personal details. He and his party can go F#CK themselves.

There are many other options that you can leverage, like Telegram, WhatsApp, Line and even Twitter. Beware of scams too and never pay anything in advance. Your best defense against catfish is to meet outside in coffee shop. If you don't see what's advertised, you can simply walk away.

[SeaTraveler]

However, Thai girls have something to offer as well. Their GFE appears natural, and much less transactional. As a result, I am sold on the land of smiles.

THANKS FOR THE ADVICE.

Another huge advantage for me in the Phils is my ability to rent a car and drive to Angeles. I know the Phils geography much better than Thailand (only been twice over 17 years ago).

Can you give more detail why you choose Thailand? Feel free to PM. Yours is full.

Thanks, Bob.

[PartyAnimal]

It might be easier only if you are a bule and looks like Tom Cruise. It is a fancy restaurant with a small area for dancing. However, this place is not like BATS OR CJs.

Thanks. Went there last night. I know what you mean now.

Also just wanted to check that I've been bombarded with messages like "you want massage mr" etc on my WeChat from girls. And they shared some pretty pictures. Is there a pro tip to guess if the pics / girls are genuine? I did reverse image search and also told the girls I would reject if they arrive and don't match the picture. But is there anything I can do to avoid disappointment? I mean it's a waste of time even if she shows up and I reject her.

At the very least some of these WeChat accounts have a very similar way of communicating and hence may be run by a agent. Don't mind as long as the pics are real and the service is good. I wanted to try the pickup route first given what you see is what you get, but didn't really work out, as the girls I liked were with someone already and those who approached me I didn't like them except 1 who quoted 5 juta for the night.

[Axel Heyst]

I have to disagree with some of Lefeu's talking points on this, although I end up in the same place as he ie that LOS is better than the PI. But first, I have to set the record straight. IMHO, Pinays give the best GFE on the planet. Their passion and warmth are real and it seems very natural to me. Thai girls, on the other hand, are much more aloof and reserved. Sometimes it is even hard to tell how they feel about you because they tend to keep their real feelings under wraps. Also bareback is much more common in the PI than it is in LOS. I don't know if that is a positive for some punters or not. It is just a fact although it is a plus in Filipina column as far as I am concerned.

So why do I prefer Thailand over the PI? Two main reasons:

#1. Pattaya has a lot more to offer than AC & BKK has a lot more to offer than MNL. More girls, more bars, more Go Go's, more nightclubs, more SW's, more massage parlors, more everything. AND the food is so much better!

#2. IMHO Thai girls, on average, are better looking than Pinays. This is a subjective opinion of course and it does not negate that fact that I have shagged many really pretty and gorgeous even Pinay girls, but on average, I think Thai girls look sexier.

So, my final recommendation is do both countries if at all possible. LOS and the PI are very different, but each has a lot to offer. I like them both. But I have not been to SE Asia since June 2019. My April 2020 flight to BKK was cancelled thanks to Covid and my October 2020 Asian trip never got past the planning stages. Then I gave up on locked down SE Asia and discovered Brazil in April 2021 and I have been hooked on Samba ever since. But I will fly back to LOS sooner or later, probably later. LOL. And when I do it will be a doozy of a trip. It will take 2. 5 months and I will revisit LOS, Phnom Penh, Jakarta, the PI, and maybe Macau if I hear the saunas are back up and running good. In the meantime I met a sexy girl next door type in SP in October 2021, spent a lot of nights with her in April / May 2022, and I think I am in love. 555/ KKK.

[Lefeu]

...I am considering a week-long side trip to either the Phils or Thailand but can't seem to make up my mind. The landscape of mongering has changed over time, especially with the impact of Covid. For me, it's all about mongering.

Can those with more experience in both of those countries collectively offer some intelligent advice?

Thanks in advance.

SEA Traveler.

I have been to both countries many times. The one clear advantage of the Phils is that the girls speak English really well for the most part. That can make a huge difference in the GFE part of the session.

However, Thai girls have something to offer as well. Their GFE appears natural, and much less transactional. As a result, I am sold on the land of smiles.

[Ggekko2009]

Also how is Basque bar de tapas for pick up?

It might be easier only if you are a bule and looks like Tom Cruise. It is a fancy restaurant with a small area for dancing. However, this place is not like BATS OR CJs.

[SeaTraveler]

I've been traveling to SE Asia since 2003 - mostly the Philippines. As well as 2 trips to Thailand (03 & 05) and I worked in Indonesia for most of 2014.

I booked a flight to Jakarta for 3 weeks in January 2023.

I am considering a week-long side trip to either the Phils or Thailand but can't seem to make up my mind. The landscape of mongering has changed over time, especially with the impact of Covid. For me, it's all about mongering.

Can those with more experience in both of those countries collectively offer some intelligent advice?

Thanks in advance.

SEA Traveler.

[PartyAnimal]

Can anyone tell if BATs is a good joint these days (post covid).

Also how is Basque bar de tapas for pick up?

[Hilo77]

Pre-covid, prices for ST at 1 to 1. 5 juta, LT for 2 juta are relatively common for those freelancers you can pick up at the better bars like CJ. I don't think one can get those prices anymore. Jakarta has become expensive for mongering with the type of girls that I want. Girls of SA in Jakarta are already quoting me 4 juta for ST nowadays. They are definitely out of control.

I was getting on well with one lady, usual story, divorced mother of two, 28, living in South Jakarta, looked great in her photos. She seemed like an average desperate housewife, my usual choice of afternoon aperatif. I asked her where she liked to hang out, she answered "EP and Basque", that pretty much ended that conversation, I knew straight away that if I pursued it she's be quoting nothing less than 2 juta.

That's why I prefer to stick to the nice girls who live in unfashionable neighbourhoods in West and East Jakarta, and whose English isn't very good, you can talk sense to them about the monetary value of their affections.

[Ggekko2009]

But then I remembered an old contact from last year, a hot part-time model who had asked for 1 juta back then but who I had passed up at the time. If 1 juta was the going rate now she'd be worth a punt, no dice, you guessed it, she wanted 2 juta now.

Pre-covid, prices for ST at 1 to 1. 5 juta, LT for 2 juta are relatively common for those freelancers you can pick up at the better bars like CJ. I don't think one can get those prices anymore. Jakarta has become expensive for mongering with the type of girls that I want. Girls of SA in Jakarta are already quoting me 4 juta for ST nowadays. They are definitely out of control.

[Hilo77]

You think the ladies we associate with follow the news from Ukraine, or are up to date on the finer points of the supply-side snarl-up in the global economy, or the effect of monetary loosening by governments worldwide during the pandemic? I doubt it, but one thing they have noticed, like the rest of us, is that the price of everything seems to have gone up quite a bit lately and they are adding to the inflationary spiral in their own ways.

Last year I pointed out to a regular on this forum that I could hook up with decent semi-pros in Jakarta on Tinder for as low as 500 k per session (S / T), I wasn't believed but it was a fact.

It is no longer a fact.

To clarify, what I was getting for 500 k was not a supermodel or sinetron artist. I was getting a housewife, usually a single mom in her late 20's looking to make a bit of household cash on the side. They would look fine (I would always ask for pics) but I knew that the bodies wouldn't be the greatest but the service would be superb and they'd do as an inexpensive aperatif in the afternoon before the main event of the evening. The main event would generally be a younger girl, single, no babies, working in an office in South Jakarta, happy to meet up in the evening to earn some freelance income with a nice bule guy before heading home to her kos for the night, they cost me 700 k, often I'd throw a bit extra for ongkos if the performance was good.

I was off Tinder for a while (damn their photo verification) but restarted the other week, sure enough I wasn't long finding the semi-pros looking for "benefits". But Sheesh! They were sticking at 1 juta, no budging. Eventually I did get one to agree 700 k, and we made the date, she arrived and it quickly dawned on me I had a former 500 k on my hands, no worries, it wasn't the end of the world.

But then I remembered an old contact from last year, a hot part-time model who had asked for 1 juta back then but who I had passed up at the time. If 1 juta was the going rate now she'd be worth a punt, no dice, you guessed it, she wanted 2 juta now.

So there you have it gentlemen, inflation has seeped its way into our hobby, I am sure no Amalgamated Trades Council of the Semi-Pros took place where they agreed on their new pricing norms, it just happened that way. The great economist Adam Smith described it as the "Invisible Hand" of the market, and it works.

No, they aren't dropping their prices to meet their desperate need for cash in these straitened economic times, that's what you or I might do. No these girls do what they always do, they set their budget on how much they need rather than how much they could actually get and would rather earn nothing than take less than what they think they deserve (which isn't such a bad human trait, I suppose).

I think we may stick to the wholesalers these days rather than buying retail. Classic and Travel is where you bargain hunt now, if you are price sensitive in your habits.

Until they put their prices up too.

[Madvic]

An old ticket and free online PDF editor is much cheaper.

To be clear, this not a recommendation nor condonation, but simply an idle observation of two unrelated monetary values.

Ok, update.

Thanks to your suggestion, I generated a credible looking itinerary. Very easy to do.

And good thing too. It was not in Jakarta, but at my starting point in the US. The airline wanted to see the onward ticket, proof of vax and covid test (required for all transit passengers going through Taipei.

Now, in Jakarta, the VOA is cash only. But, there is ATM right across. I thought it was just going to be some bureaucrat stamping the visa. But he was asking purpose of my visit, etc. Turns out this is the immigration officer too. There is a bypass route, for VOA holders, at immigration.

All in all, relatively easy and no big delays. I am enjoying my little birdwatcher again. She has such incredible talents and a figure I can't get enough of.

MadVic.