Jakarta

[Member #4698]

That's my motto as well. I still won't overpay a girl in Jakarta though. Too much pussy around to be doing that.

I don't like to overpay either. I think it is a tell that maybe the girl in question might not be so good later on in bed. That's why I stay aware of the current price range in all the various venues that I intend to take in. I won't overpay, but I will pay the top end of the price range if I want/like the girl. Jakarta can be very inexpensive or it can be expensive. It depends where you go and who you choose.

But I am a little surprised that the CJ's girl in your report did not offer you an expat rate or at least come down a little from her 2 mill initial offer. Just curious; but when the subject comes up in conversion as it usually does, " do you work here in Jakarta?" If your honest response is not worth something tangible to the girl and result in a good rate to you a majority of the time. I would think smart, working FL's would value Expats and Foreign Employee customers over short stay tourists any night in the week. Potential repeat business.

[Marky1]

You had better luck than me. I went to CJs the other night and it was absolutely packed. Lots of attractive girls, but way too many guys there that night. I found the best looking girl in the place and was chatting with her. Her English was amazingly good. When it came time to go home, I asked her if she wanted to go home with me and she asked how much I was going to pay her. As we negotiated back and forth, she would not go below 2 million. There was no way I was going to pay 2 million rupiah because I have never paid that much, so I let her go. 30 seconds after I left her, another guy approached her and they left together 10 minutes later. Obviously someone is willing to pay 2 million. Sadly. So I went on the search again and found a less attractive girl (they were all less attractive than the first girl), but she was still pretty hot. She had a great attitude and was willing to go home with me for 1.3 million. However, when we got to my place she said she was too tired for sex since she had too much to drink. She claimed she had gone there with friends for a party and had a lot to drink before she met me. She wanted to sleep first and have sex in the morning. Screw that. I threw her out. I like to have sex, then sleep alone..

Not a ringing endorsement for CJs.

[CzarNicholas]

I wouldn't call refusing to overpay a girl by 50 USD "nickel-and-diming". Maybe call it "50 and 100 US dollar-ing".

Considering I am in Jakarta much of the time these days, and these girls do talk to each other discussing how much we give them, I would be a fool to give any girl that much. It would just drive up the price for any other girl I meet in the future at the place or even in other places around town.

I do not regret in the least not giving that girl 2 million rupiah. She may have been good looking and nice to talk with, but when the topic of money came up she was too controlling. My guess is that would have translated into the bed as well and she would have been a crap shag. The other girl that night may have been less attractive, but she still was quite sexy and a lot more fun. Then again, she wanted to sleep rather than shag when we got home. LOL. These things happen..

The hooker that wants to be overpaid, is also always going to want to provide as little as possible.

I have to steal something Mr tooms said recently.

Well DR was saying back in May 2019 he likes to fuck hot women, and was somehow equating the experience to driving a Porsche.

And mr tooms made the point, he rather be the Porsche than the driver.

I agree, I think guys with healthy self respect want the hooker to impress us.

We prefer to be "worshiped" rather than be worshiping some 3rd world hooker.

Go into a club like mr Smoothy said the hooker wanted 2 million in the other night.

Well he said no, she found some sucker to give her that 2 million.

I'm willing to bet every penny I have and everything I own.

His self esteem is way lower than yours, there seems to be a perverse dynamic in brothels (social inversion).

I think many times hookers are repelled by guys with high self esteem.

And guys with the lowest self esteem in a brothel are probably the most likely to.

Session with the "most expensive hookers" lowest yield in the brothel (she knows how to find an easy mark).

I have never seen this in such a dramatic fashion as did in Sharks in Darmstadt!

This is not a hunch LOL.

I have seen it everywhere I go!

Tijuana is horrible LosAngeles is horrible! Et al!

Somebody was saying the other day its her job to read you and what you want.

She read you, you wanted to pay less than sucker price and get a great session for a fair price.

She's looking for a chump to pay sucker price (and accept any bullshit session she feels like "providing".

[Smoothy]

So, George Best said it well, "I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."

That's my motto as well. I still won't overpay a girl in Jakarta though. Too much pussy around to be doing that.

[Smoothy]

My philosophy exactly. I work fucking hard through the year for the once a year opportunity I have to play. I am fucked if I am going to nickle and dime anything whilst I am on a holiday break. It's my money and I will spend as I see fit.

I wouldn't call refusing to overpay a girl by 50 USD "nickel-and-diming". Maybe call it "50 and 100 US dollar-ing".

Considering I am in Jakarta much of the time these days, and these girls do talk to each other discussing how much we give them, I would be a fool to give any girl that much. It would just drive up the price for any other girl I meet in the future at the place or even in other places around town.

I do not regret in the least not giving that girl 2 million rupiah. She may have been good looking and nice to talk with, but when the topic of money came up she was too controlling. My guess is that would have translated into the bed as well and she would have been a crap shag. The other girl that night may have been less attractive, but she still was quite sexy and a lot more fun. Then again, she wanted to sleep rather than shag when we got home. LOL. These things happen.

I had a 20 year old girl over yesterday who is a model in Jakarta and Bali and one of the hottest indo girls I've ever met. She only wanted 1 million and is far more attractive than the 2 million chick in CJs. I did end up giving her 1. 3 million rather than 1 million before she left because she was with me 6 hours and was very entertaining and good in bed.

[Stykler]

This post cracks me up. Some wise man said ". And in the end when your whole life flashes in front of your eyes, you will only regret the things you did not do. ".

And all the money in the world will not buy you one extra minute.

My philosophy exactly. I work fucking hard through the year for the once a year opportunity I have to play. I am fucked if I am going to nickle and dime anything whilst I am on a holiday break. It's my money and I will spend as I see fit.

[Member #4698]

Some wise man said ". And in the end when your whole life flashes in front of your eyes, you will only regret the things you did not do. ". And all the money in the world will not buy you one extra minute.

A brilliant perspective! I could not agree more except that I don't have to wait for the end of my life for regrets to set in. They usually hit me at the end of a trip in the form of "the girl that got away. " But maybe I am learning a thing or two from past mistakes because I had no such regrets from my last trip, although I still recall couple of "girls that got away" from previous trips.

Like a sexy, tight little bodied, bombshell Ethiopian spinner that I met one night in Spasso back in Oct 2018. Man was she hot! Not a typical African girl in any way. She kind of reminded me of some Brazilian bikini string beach girls I knew back in the day. But the night I met her; I had already had a session a little bit earlier so I foolishly told Miss Addis Ababa I would see her the next night even though she said she might not come back to the bar tomorrow night. For some reason her words did not resonate, "not come back" on Saturday night, to see me; no way! LOL. And of course, I never saw her again / never got another chance to do her. Hence the regret. She was my 2018 girl I let get away.

Then there was another notable girl / girls that got away situation that occurred in Rio Sauna in Macau the 1st time I saw their new classification of girls the sauna called "Super Models" as opposed to just "regular models" which in the past had always been of the highest quality. Anyway, the sauna had 4 "Super Models" in the lineup off to the side that night comprised of 2 Korean girls and 2 Chinese girls and they were gorgeous and nearly flawless. The only reason I passed on them was my sticker shock from their outrageous price of 3,600 mop each which blew me away, so I choose a Chinese regular model girl instead who was pretty and nice, but not spectacular. LOL. Man, I still remember those "Super Model" girls. They were that hot! and I can barely recall what the girl I took looked like. She is a fading memory. The final coup de gras is that the 1000 mop price difference between the regular Chinese model I took and the "super models" I passed on means nothing to me now. Not a thing!

So needless to say that when I returned to Macau a couple of years later in November of 2018, I did not let a little thing like money stand in the way of my picking the sexiest girl (s) in the lineup which turned out to be 2 very attractive, thin, very tall, natural c cup, Chinese girls. In fact, I took the 1st super model, Xiao Yu on two different nights and 2nd super model, Chin Chin once, I spent a small fortune on those two yet I have absolutely no regrets about it, just a great memory of getting rimmed, 69'ing, and shagging a couple of super-hot Chinese girls. Incidentally, Xiao Yu and I still text each other. I am thinking we may hook up again in Macau or somewhere else like Singapore or Hong Kong one day. Who knows?

So, George Best said it well, "I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. ".

But honors go to WC Fields who said it very well at least 40 years earlier, "I spent half my money on gambling, alcohol and wild women. The other half I wasted. ".

I can only add: never spend more than you can truly afford, but within that unspecified amount, spend freely, or as much as you want, and have a great time, no regrets. You only go around once. Live it!

[Blanquiceleste]

You had better luck than me. I went to CJs the other night and it was absolutely packed. Lots of attractive girls, but way too many guys there that night.

Screw that. I threw her out. I like to have sex, then sleep alone. I am not a sleep first together with a stranger then have sex in the morning type of guy. I've never been into morning sex. Their makeup has worn off and it's just not as hot.

I'm still glad I didn't give that hot girl 2 million. Point of principle. That's too much money to be giving these girls. Hell, that's $150 usd. And I did have fun that night even though I didn't have sex.

Which day was it? Friday night was great, and so was Saturday night, when they were handing out some silly chocolate on a stick for Father's Day. Imagine a monger's horror at that.

I love morning sex. But you did the right thing, I would have probably done the same.

I am still at a loss to understand how is $150 too much money? Maybe it is a local vs visitor thing. You would not get a sniff of a girl's panties from Brix for that price in Singapore. It is all relative I guess.

[Blanquiceleste]

I rather walk away any day, its not like you've never fucked a cute hooker before and won't ever again, I know you know that. I believe in holding my head up high, I could have a large amount of cash on me which I sometimes do, at least at the beginning of a mongering trip (it could be $5000-$10000). And I'm still not paying $1 usd over what I think is my maximum price in whatever given venue I'm in, self respect will allow me to sleep better, overpaying for a 3rd world hooker will make me feel like a fucking chump!!

Where's the fun in that. So $150 in Jakarta? LOL that sounds crazy? To even ask those prices I hope she was a 10 and was offering PSE include anal. I thought Jakarta was a bargain? I wouldn't pay $150 in bkk for the hottest girl in any bar or thermae, unless she wants to stay in my room for a couple days to earn that LOL.

This post cracks me up. Some wise man said ". And in the end when your whole life flashes in front of your eyes, you will only regret the things you did not do. ".

And all the money in the world will not buy you one extra minute.

[Blanquiceleste]

I never give the mamasan any tip in Hotel Classic. The mamasans there are crap. The mamasans already get a good cut of the girl's money for doing nothing. Since you say it was an excellent session, the normal tip for those girls is 100 K. Even the locals give that much.

Maybe the mami get a cut, but this one was nice to me. No rush, showed me at least 6 different girls before I made a pick, No pushing for a drink for herself, no pushing to go to the room. I felt she earned her tip, and its a princely sum of 20 k. LOL.

As for girl tips, well. I ain't local. What matters is the girl was happy with what I gave her and asked me if I would see her again. I would if I had the time. We exchanged numbers and she has been texting, so I guess she is truly satisfied with that tip. But point taken. Another 50 k would not make a huge dent in my budget.

[Smoothy]

I dumped Nanda last Fall. Well actually she dumped me after seeing me go with another girl. She got extremely jealous. Good for her to now be a 430 k FL. Hope she gets at least 10 k more in her cut for that. Service wise she deserves the higher rate. Given the lack of talent at Starmoon lately she is still arguably the best girl there combining looks and service.

She's a decent actress. She has the fake moans mastered. I only went with her once, but I thought she was good. I wouldn't repeat with her because she's too damn skinny and the skin on her butt is so dark it's a bit of a turn off during doggy.

She's definitely not as good looking as before.

I've had plenty of girls refuse to go with me anymore after I took another girl when they thought I was only interested in them. It's disappointing at first, but works out better in the long run.

[Banana Boi]

I saw your Nanda chick at Starmoon the other day. She has lost her luster and looks tired now. Still has good tits for such a tiny body. Maybe it was just that day, but she looks 10 years older now. She has changed her number from 88 to "FL 59", so she is now a free lancer. That means she is no longer 380 K, she is 430 K after 8pm. I don't think there's much talent in Starmoon, so I didn't partake at all. I did see some good talent in Royal and Sariayu though. I loved the VIP room at Royal, damn nice. It's over 400 K for that room for sure, but I forget how much over 400. I hate the shitty cheaper rooms. If they don't have VIP in those Kota Indah bars, I don't even want to go upstairs. The rooms at MTR and LA are pathetic and Starmoon isn't much better. Royal and Sariayu rooms are nice.

I dumped Nanda last Fall. Well actually she dumped me after seeing me go with another girl. She got extremely jealous. Good for her to now be a 430 k FL. Hope she gets at least 10 k more in her cut for that. Service wise she deserves the higher rate. Given the lack of talent at Starmoon lately she is still arguably the best girl there combining looks and service.

I have been in the Royal VIP room. My FL costed 600 k.

[CzarNicholas]

You had better luck than me. I went to CJs the other night and it was absolutely packed. Lots of attractive girls, but way too many guys there that night. I found the best looking girl in the place and was chatting with her. Her English was amazingly good. When it came time to go home, I asked her if she wanted to go home with me and she asked how much I was going to pay her. As we negotiated back and forth, she would not go below 2 million. There was no way I was going to pay 2 million rupiah because I have never paid that much, so I let her go. 30 seconds after I left her, another guy approached her and they left together 10 minutes later. Obviously someone is willing to pay 2 million. Sadly. So I went on the search again and found a less attractive girl (they were all less attractive than the first girl), but she was still pretty hot. She had a great attitude and was willing to go home with me for 1.3 million. However, when we got to my place she said she was too tired for sex since she had too much to drink. She claimed she had gone there with friends for a party and had a lot to drink before she met me. She wanted to sleep first and have sex in the morning. Screw that. I threw her out. I like to have sex, then sleep alone. I am not a sleep first together with a stranger then have sex in the morning type of guy. I've never been into morning sex. Their makeup has worn off and it's just not as hot.

I'm still glad I didn't give that hot girl 2 million. Point of principle. That's too much money to be giving these girls. Hell, that's $150 usd. And I did have fun that night even though I didn't have sex.

I rather walk away any day, its not like you've never fucked a cute hooker before and won't ever again, I know you know that.

I believe in holding my head up high, I could have a large amount of cash on me which I sometimes do, at least at the beginning of a mongering trip (it could be $5000-$10000).

And I'm still not paying $1 usd over what I think is my maximum price in whatever given venue I'm in, self respect will allow me to sleep better, overpaying for a 3rd world hooker will make me feel like a fucking chump!!

Where's the fun in that.

So $150 in Jakarta? LOL that sounds crazy? To even ask those prices I hope she was a 10 and was offering PSE include anal.

I thought Jakarta was a bargain? I wouldn't pay $150 in bkk for the hottest girl in any bar or thermae, unless she wants to stay in my room for a couple days to earn that LOL.

[Smoothy]

I went to CJ's on 2 nights. Day 1 I picked a girl named Anita for 1.6 mio. Day 2 I picked a girl named Lina for 1.8 mio.

You had better luck than me. I went to CJs the other night and it was absolutely packed. Lots of attractive girls, but way too many guys there that night. I found the best looking girl in the place and was chatting with her. Her English was amazingly good. When it came time to go home, I asked her if she wanted to go home with me and she asked how much I was going to pay her. As we negotiated back and forth, she would not go below 2 million. There was no way I was going to pay 2 million rupiah because I have never paid that much, so I let her go. 30 seconds after I left her, another guy approached her and they left together 10 minutes later. Obviously someone is willing to pay 2 million. Sadly. So I went on the search again and found a less attractive girl (they were all less attractive than the first girl), but she was still pretty hot. She had a great attitude and was willing to go home with me for 1.3 million. However, when we got to my place she said she was too tired for sex since she had too much to drink. She claimed she had gone there with friends for a party and had a lot to drink before she met me. She wanted to sleep first and have sex in the morning. Screw that. I threw her out. I like to have sex, then sleep alone. I am not a sleep first together with a stranger then have sex in the morning type of guy. I've never been into morning sex. Their makeup has worn off and it's just not as hot.

I'm still glad I didn't give that hot girl 2 million. Point of principle. That's too much money to be giving these girls. Hell, that's $150 usd. And I did have fun that night even though I didn't have sex.

[Smoothy]

I went to Classic once and had an excellent session. I gave the mami 20 k. I tipped the girl 50 k.

I never give the mamasan any tip in Hotel Classic. The mamasans there are crap. The mamasans already get a good cut of the girl's money for doing nothing. Since you say it was an excellent session, the normal tip for those girls is 100 K. Even the locals give that much.