Jakarta

[Zippos]

Truth to be told, Indonesian girls still has some passion left compared to other SEA. You get them wind up enough, they will pretty much do anything considering you bring them up to their comfort zone. I have never had any Indon cewek refused BBBJ and DFK. Whether it's at Classic, KC, Emporium or non-pro off dating sites.

For pros, I usually wave the money and clarify saying, "You make me happy and it's yours" money does rest of the talking. Next thing you see is that little genie bottle of listening appearing from the bag and you to are rinsing the hell out of your mouth.

For non-pro, obviously you need to give them the impression that she could be a potential candidate for future GF / relationship or something.

I read so many forums and sites that I often forgot where I read something.

Question: (I think I read somewhere) that Jakarta is the best place in SEA for a GFE. Meaning DFK, BBBJ, etc. Or is this Indonesia in general?

Obviously if you paid any girl enough money she would stand on one leg and bark like a dog but "generally" thinking is Jakarta the best place.

Appreciate experienced BM feedback.

NI.

[Margaya]

Very valid points in these replies. Thanks a bunch.

Before confirming the girl tell / ask mama what you want and make sure she passes on the message to the girl and gets her nod of approval. Not all girls will perform all services, share with mama what you want like BBBJ, DFK, CIM so you have the best experience, a common practice enjoyed by punters, best of luck!

Good points on how to select a girl. I will just add that the girls that are not that pretty with the jacked up teeth are often the best shags in the whole place because they get fewer customers and appreciate someone taking a chance on them. :-the Some of my best lays in all of Asia were of that type. Total GFE. In contrast, I never, NEVER go with one who can't be arsed to even look up from her phone or just smiles but not really smiles, as you described.

I tried this approach and it seldom works. First, the music is so loud that you can barely hear each other even if you're able to speak in bahasa Indo. Second, the MMS can get pushy by getting you into the "Do you want to buy a drink or go upstairs?" situation. And even if you do, the most you'll get out of them is the MMS saying "No baby, good service" as it seems those are always the 4 english words she knows regardless of who she's pointing the laser at and the girl always nods.

The only advice is that when she's not delivering what you want, you just be a gent and be a touch playful. Tell her that you're sad because it's difficult for you to enjoy (this works much better if you learn this phrase in bahasa Indo). The only good thing that can happen at this point is that she replies to you "You tip more?" and she hits you with a 400 k to 500 k request. From there, it's your negotiating skills and really, USD $6. 50 isn't worth my time to lose a good nut. If all else fails, strap on your clothes, drop a 50 k note, and go back to the lounge to look for another girl. Pay the 400 k again and don't sweat it. Really if the USD $26 is a lot, not too sure how to change one's outlook.

Time and time again, the worst decision to be made is to have a session you're not into, blow your load, and then not be horny for the next 12 hours and yet not have had an explosive good time, all because you're worried about saving the fee. Sorry, a good nut is worth more than that to me.

Edit: I read someone else's follow up post about the girls impression, and was reminded that this is also key. When you get the line up, the first thing most guys do is look at the face and body looking for what attracts them. Many times, up in the room, the face ends up losing a point or more because in the light, she's not that pretty or her teeth are jacked up. Many times, up in the room, the body ends up losing a point or more because when the clothes come off, she turns out not to be an 18 year old 90 pound spinner but is really a 24 year old 110 flab hider. But I've found also that the magic in a good time and great service girl is in the line up, looking for the girl that's eye to eye looking at you with a beaming smile. I mean a really radiant smile, nothing like the smile the girls have just to look pretty. The one where she's really really smiling at you and eyes are locked on you, not looking away. Pick that one. Hopefully, you'll find one that's got all three, beautiful face, incredible body, and eye to eye smile on you.

The worst service, almost guaranteed bad time, are the girls that are on their phones not even bothering to look up at you. Those hotties are trouble. They'll burn through your allowance for the night or be expensive on their extra tip ask.

[Zippos]

I've been mongering in Jakarta over a decade and safe to say, these two are severely infected with golden pussy syndrome. If it was one of those insta model or the new trend of Jakarta bouncing titties dj's. I would probably negotiate for 20 m for a week but that too even high.

If you really want shag same glory hole for a week, try your luck with tinder or resort to Cupid. Trust me, you won't regret.

Alternatively, check out one of those entertainment establishment, find the one you fancy and tell Mami you want her for a week, still going to be less than 40 mil.

Two girls I've messaged that stated 40 M a month.

[NewImage]

I read so many forums and sites that I often forgot where I read something.

Question: (I think I read somewhere) that Jakarta is the best place in SEA for a GFE. Meaning DFK, BBBJ, etc. Or is this Indonesia in general?

Obviously if you paid any girl enough money she would stand on one leg and bark like a dog but "generally" thinking is Jakarta the best place.

Appreciate experienced BM feedback.

NI.

[SuperLove]

Great comparison smoothy. My take, world has moved changes alot and what you got 20 years ago you may not get now, and what you get now will be different from what you will get 20 years from now. (if we are still alive, LOL) . Commerce has taken over and girls focus less on service & customer loyalty.

I went to BATS Friday night and CJs Saturday night. BATS was like a reunion of girls I knew 20 years ago. Haha. It's amazing those same girls are still going at it.

Bit titty Putri was there, and I hadn't seen her in over 10 years. The last time I took her (10 years ago), she copped an attitude when I got her home and was a crap shag that night so I deleted her phone number. But 20 years ago, she was a young stunner dancing on top of the LE Meridien bar table tops. Crazy as hell and wild in bed. She would shag all night back then. Then in the morning give a blow job while talking to her boyfriend on her cell phone. She thought that was hilarious. And I didn't mind it. Although she still has the big tits, they are saggier now and her body is like 3 times the size as it was back in the day. She went home alone. Glory days have passed her by. I certainly wasn't interested in her or any other girl in BATS that night. I didn't see any that I would have taken home even for 500 k.

CJs was a different story. I was shocked at the quality there last night. There were, of course, the same old group of 5 out of 10 rated girls there (with a few 6's). But other than those mediocre ladies, I haven't seen that many stunners in CJs in a very long time. There were 4 stunners in there. That's as many as I have seen in CJs. Ever. 2 of them I would rate as 9's (I have never seen a 10 in Indonesia). 9 is a true stunner. There was one girl I couldn't take my eyes off of. What a true beauty. Unfortunately, I had brought a date with me and couldn't take my shot. I am a gentleman, after all. But I have no doubt those girls were going to ask for at least 3 million. It's very hard to find that quality in Jakarta. I'm not saying CJs will be like that again any time soon, but that night had some real talent. One thing I will mention is I didn't see any of those girls going home with any guy. They were completely ignoring the Indian guys who approached them. And only 1 of them stayed more than a half hour. The other 3 came in together and all left together after a short look around. When I walked by them though, they did give me positive gestures. I would have been curious how I would have fared. The one true beauty, I may have even been tempted to actually go 3 million. I can't believe I am saying that. Other than those 4 girls, the others didn't deserve more than 800 k, but since they paid 200 k for an entry drink, I guess 1 juta is fair. (In my humble opinion.) But it's all about the experience.

[SuperLove]

Before confirming the girl tell / ask mama what you want and make sure she passes on the message to the girl and gets her nod of approval. Not all girls will perform all services, share with mama what you want like BBBJ, DFK, CIM so you have the best experience, a common practice enjoyed by punters, best of luck!

Overall I love this place. Very convenient, decent and stocked well. The quality is a bit lacking but that is everywhere in the world now a days.

One thing I could not figure out if it is possible to approach girl you like, directly, and ask her about services or must haves such as DFK etc. The first girl I had was a dud, provided express service of 20 minutes and truth be told, I just wanted to get the deed done as I was pissed off at her lack of interest in service. The others were fantastic even though langage was a barrier.

So, can someone please advise me how you go about scoping out the best girl for your requirements? Do you talk to them or let those pushy mamasans do the talking?

[SuperLove]

Prices at 1001 pool, local girls are in 2 categories: 1. 2 and 1. 4 while international are at 3. 4, sadly no girls at 800 k.

NI. Long time! Pool side ranges between 800 to 3 mil. Depending on what you fancy and how many Do check out KC.

[Irish Mongrel]

I went to BATS Friday night and CJs Saturday night. BATS was like a reunion of girls I knew 20 years ago. Haha. It's amazing those same girls are still going at it.

Yep, the two times I have been in BATS post COVID and it's been a bit of a reunion party, and I stopped being a regular there in 2013! Did have a "catch-up" with a lady called Nina on the first visit, she had been a long time regular, even post 2013, when I would fly her to KL for the odd trip and literally hadn't changed that much since I last met her. Was a bit sad to see her still working there as she was a really nice lady, great attitude and actually had some smarts. Seemingly had managed to have a bule relationship for a few years but that fell through and necessity brought her back to the old hunting ground. Probably the same with a lot of them. I walked out empty handed when I was there last, and crazy Rosa was walking in. Fortunately she didn't recognize me, or if she did, I was gone to quickly for her to say anything. She had been a regular for a while, but that didn't end well. For her anyway, got way to clingy and I literally couldn't visit BATS without her making a scene (must be some Thai genes in her).

I absolutely hated CJ's. Stayed in the Mulia but would go to BATS! May give it a look if I get to Jakarta this year.

Was thinking of going in a few weeks, but my free time will probably clash directly with Eid, so will probably hit Thailand instead.

[United1]

Gents,

I did some RTTF to understand how Jakarta will be during Ramadan. Any one have recent experiences on what to expect? I hearing mix reviews. That the bars, clubs, massage will closed or raided, but also women very looking for money to take back to village. If you can help us with insights will be great. I am mostly a seeking and tinder guy and occational spa.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

I tried this approach and it seldom works. First, the music is so loud that you can barely hear each other even if you're able to speak in bahasa Indo. Second, the MMS can get pushy by getting you into the "Do you want to buy a drink or go upstairs?" situation. And even if you do, the most you'll get out of them is the MMS saying "No baby, good service" as it seems those are always the 4 english words she knows regardless of who she's pointing the laser at and the girl always nods.

The only advice is that when she's not delivering what you want, you just be a gent and be a touch playful. Tell her that you're sad because it's difficult for you to enjoy (this works much better if you learn this phrase in bahasa Indo). The only good thing that can happen at this point is that she replies to you "You tip more?" and she hits you with a 400 k to 500 k request. From there, it's your negotiating skills and really, USD $6. 50 isn't worth my time to lose a good nut. If all else fails, strap on your clothes, drop a 50 k note, and go back to the lounge to look for another girl. Pay the 400 k again and don't sweat it. Really if the USD $26 is a lot, not too sure how to change one's outlook.

Time and time again, the worst decision to be made is to have a session you're not into, blow your load, and then not be horny for the next 12 hours and yet not have had an explosive good time, all because you're worried about saving the fee. Sorry, a good nut is worth more than that to me.

Edit: I read someone else's follow up post about the girls impression, and was reminded that this is also key. When you get the line up, the first thing most guys do is look at the face and body looking for what attracts them. Many times, up in the room, the face ends up losing a point or more because in the light, she's not that pretty or her teeth are jacked up. Many times, up in the room, the body ends up losing a point or more because when the clothes come off, she turns out not to be an 18 year old 90 pound spinner but is really a 24 year old 110 flab hider. But I've found also that the magic in a good time and great service girl is in the line up, looking for the girl that's eye to eye looking at you with a beaming smile. I mean a really radiant smile, nothing like the smile the girls have just to look pretty. The one where she's really really smiling at you and eyes are locked on you, not looking away. Pick that one. Hopefully, you'll find one that's got all three, beautiful face, incredible body, and eye to eye smile on you.

The worst service, almost guaranteed bad time, are the girls that are on their phones not even bothering to look up at you. Those hotties are trouble. They'll burn through your allowance for the night or be expensive on their extra tip ask.

Good points on how to select a girl. I will just add that the girls that are not that pretty with the jacked up teeth are often the best shags in the whole place because they get fewer customers and appreciate someone taking a chance on them. :-the Some of my best lays in all of Asia were of that type. Total GFE. In contrast, I never, NEVER go with one who can't be arsed to even look up from her phone or just smiles but not really smiles, as you described.

[Vendelo]

I've never been to Jakarta but have recently messaged a few girls. So here is my contribution to this thread.

1) Holiday GF. Two girls quoted me US $2,000 to travel with me for 5-7 days.

2) Monthly Allowance. Two girls quoted me 40 M IDR.

3) Evidently, Singaporean and Chinese men are sugaring in Jakarta. One girl said though they are rude, they pay well.

That's all I have.

Two girls I've messaged that stated 40 M a month.

[BenderOver]

Overall I love this place. Very convenient, decent and stocked well. The quality is a bit lacking but that is everywhere in the world now a days.

One thing I could not figure out if it is possible to approach girl you like, directly, and ask her about services or must haves such as DFK etc. The first girl I had was a dud, provided express service of 20 minutes and truth be told, I just wanted to get the deed done as I was pissed off at her lack of interest in service. The others were fantastic even though langage was a barrier.

So, can someone please advise me how you go about scoping out the best girl for your requirements? Do you talk to them or let those pushy mamasans do the talking?

I tried this approach and it seldom works. First, the music is so loud that you can barely hear each other even if you're able to speak in bahasa Indo. Second, the MMS can get pushy by getting you into the "Do you want to buy a drink or go upstairs?" situation. And even if you do, the most you'll get out of them is the MMS saying "No baby, good service" as it seems those are always the 4 english words she knows regardless of who she's pointing the laser at and the girl always nods.

The only advice is that when she's not delivering what you want, you just be a gent and be a touch playful. Tell her that you're sad because it's difficult for you to enjoy (this works much better if you learn this phrase in bahasa Indo). The only good thing that can happen at this point is that she replies to you "You tip more?" and she hits you with a 400 k to 500 k request. From there, it's your negotiating skills and really, USD $6. 50 isn't worth my time to lose a good nut. If all else fails, strap on your clothes, drop a 50 k note, and go back to the lounge to look for another girl. Pay the 400 k again and don't sweat it. Really if the USD $26 is a lot, not too sure how to change one's outlook.

Time and time again, the worst decision to be made is to have a session you're not into, blow your load, and then not be horny for the next 12 hours and yet not have had an explosive good time, all because you're worried about saving the fee. Sorry, a good nut is worth more than that to me.

Edit: I read someone else's follow up post about the girls impression, and was reminded that this is also key. When you get the line up, the first thing most guys do is look at the face and body looking for what attracts them. Many times, up in the room, the face ends up losing a point or more because in the light, she's not that pretty or her teeth are jacked up. Many times, up in the room, the body ends up losing a point or more because when the clothes come off, she turns out not to be an 18 year old 90 pound spinner but is really a 24 year old 110 flab hider. But I've found also that the magic in a good time and great service girl is in the line up, looking for the girl that's eye to eye looking at you with a beaming smile. I mean a really radiant smile, nothing like the smile the girls have just to look pretty. The one where she's really really smiling at you and eyes are locked on you, not looking away. Pick that one. Hopefully, you'll find one that's got all three, beautiful face, incredible body, and eye to eye smile on you.

The worst service, almost guaranteed bad time, are the girls that are on their phones not even bothering to look up at you. Those hotties are trouble. They'll burn through your allowance for the night or be expensive on their extra tip ask.

[BenderOver]

$2000 . Calling absolute BS on that. Even the most lecherous gold-digging women in all of Asia aren't dumb enough to ask for that kind of money. The monthly allowance is equally absurd. Quite CLEARLY you have never been to Jakarta.

There's different rates for everyone.

A) There will be young 18 year old girls that have no idea what the world is like, stuck with no income, and family has mounting bills. They're stuck with debt at KI, KC, Classic and every month, that debt gets worse or barely gets reduced. You can sugar them for 6 M per month to get them out of the industry and if you take care of yourself, decent and fun attitude, you're golden.

B) Then there are the girls that ask EVERY foreigner to be their daddy hoping that one person (or more than one) will be dumb enough to send them a monthly allowance while they're still working the freelance job because they need 10 M+ per month.

C) Then there are the girls that look like models, think they're hot shit, and want enough sugar to shop at the Gucci store and basically think they're worth Western sugar. In this case 30 M+ per month.

Sounds like you found a Category C).

I wouldn't worry too much about the Singaporeans and Mainland China dudes messing up your game in Jakarta. The numbers are way too big and the few guys that are doing that might have taken a few dozen or even a few hundred hot girls off the market, but this social economic problem in Indonesia is in the tune of over a million individuals of the female gender, sadly.

[BenderOver]

Papasan at the place where Kartika used to be, near the Suisse Bakery, just around the corner from the Gajah Mada / Mangga Besar intersection, tells me that they will be closed for three days, from today or tomorrow, for the beginning of Ramadhan. Then, he says, business as usual until some as yet undetermined time before Lebaran. I guess a lot of similar places will apply the same rules.

Liburan (vacation). They take off for 1 to 2 weeks for Idul Fitri / Eid Al Fitr and return to their desa (village).

[Member #3088]

Sounds too expensive for Jakarta.

But hard to gauge without photos.

They are trying their luck. Negotiate. Start at 1/4 price at most.