Jakarta

[Smoothy]

At no point did I say or even make out like it was an achievement. From past posts on this forum one BM states that it cost him a cell phone order to arrange an outside meet because the girl was scared of being caught. It very well may be the case but I didn't get the feeling that the girl was being controlled, my personal experience.

I might be new to Jakarta and this forum but I can assure you I'm more than socially and intellectually calibrated, so you can save your condescending discretion comment.

All I am saying is that these girls readily give their numbers out, but it's quite rare for any of them to actually meet a customer outside their place of work. And if you do happen to get them to meet you outside their place of work, my guess is you be disappointed. But I do look forward to your report.

You don't get the feeling the girl was being controlled? I guess that's relative. Are they like the kidnapped girls you see in the movie Taken? No. But their family is in debt to the people running the place. They feel they are doing their part to help their family by working there, but they are not just free to come and go as they please with no repercussions.

[Smoothy]

Relevance? What does it matter? He's not white knighting her. If the GFE is worth repeating and she's this good to all the customers and cute with a body, then 4. If it's slow or she's saving the GFE for lucky guy here, then 0.

I've seen a providers monthly account before. It looks like a professional balance sheet. About 20 sessions in 3 weeks time.

4 guys a day? That would be one of the mediocre girls. The best looking girls in those places go with 6 to 8 guys a day. Only the very ugliest ones get 0 in a day even if it's slow.

[BenderOver]

In the intervening 24 hours, how many customers would we reckon this girl at Classic brothel, err Hotel, would have taken on before this guy bumps into her again?

Relevance? What does it matter? He's not white knighting her. If the GFE is worth repeating and she's this good to all the customers and cute with a body, then 4. If it's slow or she's saving the GFE for lucky guy here, then 0.

I've seen a providers monthly account before. It looks like a professional balance sheet. About 20 sessions in 3 weeks time. And they're begging for work / customers. It's really a pretty sad situation but I'm enough of a hypocrite to visit Kota Indah nightly still.

[Enzo2019]

It would be interesting to hear how you went at the mens spa as I've never had the opportunity to indulge myself. Given the prices at the Sky Lounge I can only guess in horror what the prices at the spa would be. Look forward to hearing about your experience there.

Will pop in and gather some intel later on.

Cheers.

In the intervening 24 hours, how many customers would we reckon this girl at Classic brothel, err Hotel, would have taken on before this guy bumps into her again?

You're quoting me then referring to me in third person, not sure what you're getting at with this question. I'll take it literally and just assume that you're mentally challenged and don't understand what "spin her a little lie" means.

[Enzo2019]

They're not all under the same boss. There's some scheme going around though. A girl's contract requires her to work fornthe same boss for a set period of time and leaving that boss early gets an added five million rupiah fine. So I don't know if the bosses harass the girls or slow down their business, but it forces the girls to leave early to another boss. Thus the new boss has to pay the fine for the girl, and there the debt adds up even more.

Not all girls are in debt like this. You know if they have their original KTP in their possession. The first one I met was a skinny tattooed beauty with firm the breasts and great nipples. Not dropdead cute, but certainly slutty beautiful. I asked her if she had a boyfriend. She replied no, and she didn't want one. She's focused on work to get herself out of that place. It didn't sound like she was locked in a debt Bond as I recall reading that she's been there for a couple of years already and always plays it safe CBJ CFS no kissing. So she's on a mission to get ahead in life working at classic. Good on her.

I haven't been to classic for over a year. I guess I like it too much and it gets me in trouble. Been floating around Kotah Indah finding one ATF after another.

Appreciate the clarification and good to know that not all are in the same situation.

Cheers.

[Golfinho]

I tell her "next time" and she asks "when?" so I spin her a little lie that I'll return after work tomorrow night. She tells me to come at 5 pm and wait for her and that she will be sitting at her usual couch with the red uniformed girls.
thanks to all past contributors who have helped me gain insight into the scene here.

In the intervening 24 hours, how many customers would we reckon this girl at Classic brothel, err Hotel, would have taken on before this guy bumps into her again?

[Stykler]

Thanks and yes. Avoid their "Sky Lounge" or whatever it's called, food at the restaurant was very good though. I noticed they have a men's spa, had a quick look through the glass doors and saw 2 female workers and a pool table, will check it out later today.

Cheers.

I have posted about the Sky Lounge previously on this forum. I have been a frequent guest of this hotel and SkyLounge before and despite its various metamorphosis's the SkyLounge has always been a rip-off. I remember on one occasion I inadvertently paid about US $20 for a soda water! Unfortunately I didn't pick this up until I reviewed the hotels invoice once I got home. The hotel is great, the Sky Lounge not so great.

It would be interesting to hear how you went at the mens spa as I've never had the opportunity to indulge myself. Given the prices at the Sky Lounge I can only guess in horror what the prices at the spa would be. Look forward to hearing about your experience there.

[Goferring]

I haven't been to Kartika since around 2007. But the last time I was there, I took two girls and it was one of the most unique experiences of my life. I still can't figure out how they were able to do a two girl sliding sandwich with me in the middle. How was that girl on the bottom able to slide back and forth? It's a mystery to this day but it was great fun. Unfortunately, Kartika has long passed it's prime.

I agree that online delivery is taking over. I preferred the old days when places like Top Gun, Oscars, Tanamur, and Lintas Melawai were in full force. It was a paradise for expats back then.

It's certainly an experience that everyone should try at least once. It's a laugh if you don't take life too seriously and the ladies are definitely entertaining.

She did say that business is well down from its hayday. When I was there girls were occupying only one of the three lounges. Having said that, she did mention that they still see a fair number of expats, all old hands rather than new visitors. Apparently there was another in earlier in the day and when I left a white guy was at the bar making his choice so there still are a few that pass through.

Enjoy. G.

[BenderOver]

With multiple mamasams and groups of girls, is the situation the same for them all?
Cheers.

They're not all under the same boss. There's some scheme going around though. A girl's contract requires her to work fornthe same boss for a set period of time and leaving that boss early gets an added five million rupiah fine. So I don't know if the bosses harass the girls or slow down their business, but it forces the girls to leave early to another boss. Thus the new boss has to pay the fine for the girl, and there the debt adds up even more.

Not all girls are in debt like this. You know if they have their original KTP in their possession. The first one I met was a skinny tattooed beauty with firm the breasts and great nipples. Not dropdead cute, but certainly slutty beautiful. I asked her if she had a boyfriend. She replied no, and she didn't want one. She's focused on work to get herself out of that place. It didn't sound like she was locked in a debt Bond as I recall reading that she's been there for a couple of years already and always plays it safe CBJ CFS no kissing. So she's on a mission to get ahead in life working at classic. Good on her.

I haven't been to classic for over a year. I guess I like it too much and it gets me in trouble. Been floating around Kotah Indah finding one ATF after another.

[Enzo2019]

Getting the girl's number was no achievement.

please don't share photos or give her name though because she might get in trouble for doing that.

At no point did I say or even make out like it was an achievement. From past posts on this forum one BM states that it cost him a cell phone order to arrange an outside meet because the girl was scared of being caught. It very well may be the case but I didn't get the feeling that the girl was being controlled, my personal experience.

I might be new to Jakarta and this forum but I can assure you I'm more than socially and intellectually calibrated, so you can save your condescending discretion comment.

[Smoothy]

Went back to Classic again this afternoon, had a better look at the minimum spend sign and it was as follows.

Mon, Tues, Wed - 30 k.

Thurs, Fri, Sat - 45 k.

Sun. Free.

That tiny minimum fee is just to keep out the freeloaders. Honestly, I wish they would raise it to 200 k.

[Enzo2019]

Went back to Classic again this afternoon, had a better look at the minimum spend sign and it was as follows.

Mon, Tues, Wed - 30 k.

Thurs, Fri, Sat - 45 k.

Sun. Free.

Also to reiterate that they are open from 3 pm - 3 am.

Quality on offer was okay, 3's - 7's around nothing amazing. Took a session with a very cute girl but she spoke very little English. Against my usual M. O. And sure enough the session was rushed and unremarkable.

Plan is to check out King Cross tomorrow, also have the option to extend my stay. Judging by how slowly my stack of currency is going down I may just do that, if this was Manila I'd have blown through all of it plus some.

Cheers.

[Smoothy]

I kid myself that the girl in blue is a diamond in the rough, prepay 380 k inc my drink and upstairs we go. The massage is actually pretty good on my old frame, progressing from a regular rub down to a two sided body rub. Then it was a CBJ and CFS. I got the job done, she was pleasant and chatty (in Indonesian) during the massage but it wasn't an earth shattering session. I did complain about both prepayment and the CBJ but to be honest, I didn't put up too much of a fight.

I'm leaving Jakarta soon so if this trip was an attempt to relive fond memories of wild times it was a bit of a bust. I did enjoy returning but it is a different town. Bricks and mortar fun palaces have receded and online delivery of exceptionally pretty girls are in the process of taking their place. Some will miss the old ways and some will thrive in the new marketplace.

I haven't been to Kartika since around 2007. But the last time I was there, I took two girls and it was one of the most unique experiences of my life. I still can't figure out how they were able to do a two girl sliding sandwich with me in the middle. How was that girl on the bottom able to slide back and forth? It's a mystery to this day but it was great fun. Unfortunately, Kartika has long passed it's prime.

I agree that online delivery is taking over. I preferred the old days when places like Top Gun, Oscars, Tanamur, and Lintas Melawai were in full force. It was a paradise for expats back then.

[Smoothy]

They're controlled.

First, it's debt labor. They owe 5 to 10 million rupiah to the boss. For this debt, their KTP (Indonesian ID) is kept in the office and not returned. They make 90 k per session plus your tip. Every month, they pay amount 2 million for a shithole to live in, 3 to 4 million for makeup, work provided transportation, interest, and fees. The rest is their spending money and food money, which is usually negative one million per month. So you can see where this is going. They get the negative one million covered by borrowing more from the boss each month.

The boss watches over the girls by means that they don't get days off and even if they get a day off, they're called in surprise to work. During their off time, they come and go as they please but they're not supposed to see guys on the side because it takes the boss out of the loop of income. They still do if they're brave enough to.

I've found a stunner before and she kept saying no she couldn't meet. But sure enough when you offer to give a new cell phone (about 3 to 4 million IDR) they're immediately available. I ended up buying her out of her indentured servitude and sent her home back to her family.

Happy hunting.

You are exactly right here. Even when those girls give you their number (they will all give you their number), the chances of them actually meeting outside working at a place like Classic are slim. The exception are the dancers, they will meet up. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's rare for a girl who works there as an indentured prostitute to meet up. They are controlled and would be taking a risk. Personally, I don't see the need anyway. Those girls are rarely as fun to hang out with as the actual free lancers one can find around town.

Getting the girl's number was no achievement. But if she actually does meet outside hotel Classic, I would love to read a detailed report on how that went. My experiences with girls like that have always been interesting to say the least (in a bad way). The fact that I don't even try it anymore speaks volumes. If one does it, please don't share photos or give her name though because she might get in trouble for doing that.

[Enzo2019]

They're controlled.

First, it's debt labor. They owe 5 to 10 million rupiah to the boss. For this debt, their KTP (Indonesian ID) is kept in the office and not returned. They make 90 k per session plus your tip. Every month, they pay amount 2 million for a shithole to live in, 3 to 4 million for makeup, work provided transportation, interest, and fees. The rest is their spending money and food money, which is usually negative one million per month. So you can see where this is going. They get the negative one million covered by borrowing more from the boss each month.

Happy hunting.

With multiple mamasams and groups of girls, is the situation the same for them all?

Great report, and very useful info. I assume you are staying at the Grand Mercure Harmoni?

Thanks and yes. Avoid their "Sky Lounge" or whatever it's called, food at the restaurant was very good though. I noticed they have a men's spa, had a quick look through the glass doors and saw 2 female workers and a pool table, will check it out later today.

Cheers.