Jakarta

[Keen Eye Joe 1]

Clean relative to what? A dirt road? There aren't many places dirtier than starmoon. Go there with the lights on some afternoon.

I do give them credit for getting rid of the sewage smell in the upstairs rooms. It was there the first few years they opened, but I haven't smelled it in a while now (admittedly, I don't go often these days). Rooms still look as dingy as ever, but the sewage smell is gone.

You are absolutely correct. The hygiene at Classic and Travel is umpteen times better than that of Starmoon, but I must say the bedroom was spartan yet clean.

I live near a medium-sized city on the island of Mindanao, Philippines. I guess my glasses were fogged by the contrast between Starmoon and the shitty girlie bars and $4 dollar short time hotels in my provincial city. Bathrooms in those places would make you gag.

[Keen Eye Joe 1]

Bule street in Blok M was hopping on Friday night. The bars were loaded with hunters and prey. Even the Obama bar had plenty of patrons but only a couple of available ceweks.

At midnight My Bar was rocking and rolling and the odds were definitely in my favor at about a 6-1 female / male ratio. Unfortunately the women not locked up by male partyers were either ugly with hot bodies, cute with blobby frames, or homely with linebacker physiques. My expectations were high, but I just could not find exactly what I was looking for.

In my 2 hours there I bought drinks for 2 women. Both started the bidding at 700,000 Rp and eventually agreed to reduce their price to 500,000, which I feel is a fair price for the area. But I got the vibe that they were unhappy in doing so, and in the past I've had unfavorable sessions with women who feel like they have been underpaid. So I wavered and passed on them.

By 2 am I wanted to go outside and walk up and down the street to clear my head and stretch my legs. I exited My Bar and turned left and headed up toward the ojek (motorcycle taxi) corner. As I walked between DJs and the Octagon KTV, I passed by a group of 5 girls sitting on the concrete in front of a dark storefront. One of them waved, called out to me, and motioned me over. From a distance she looked fairly cute and had a bright smile and looked doable. I waved back but continued my walk.

After a few minutes of chatting with ojek drivers and 2 streetwalkers, I headed back to the bar area. As I passed by the gaggle of seated girls, the vocal one stood up and asked where I was going. As I had nowhere important to go, I began chatting with her.

As we talked I started mentally and verbally surveying her. Name? Yani. Age? 33 (acceptable). Face? More cute than pretty, with a killer smile. Body? Medium build, no discernible fatty areas. Fun personality with good English skills? Definitely. Nice outfit? Yes (cute top with tight jeans and 4 inch strappy heels). Blow job? Of course, she says she loves giving blow jobs. Double yes. 500,000 rupiah? Yes.

Survey complete, deal is sealed. Off to the Pukasa taxi for a 65,000 rp ride to North Jakarta.

In the cab we had a nice chat as she cuddled next to me while continually rubbing my crotch. I asked why she was not working inside any of the bars and she said she could not loiter inside for an extended period without purchasing a beverage. She then opened her purse and pulled out a solitary 5,000 Rp note and chuckled as she said that's all the money she had with her.

Her group of concrete angels were cuter than most of the My Bar gals. She said she was not previously acquainted with any of them, but the one thing they had in common was they were out of money and were hoping a customer would stroll by. Lucky for me and for her that I was in the right place at the right time.

I then asked if she came to Blok M very often. She said she rarely came because her hangout of choice is normally BATS, but tonight could obviously not afford to pay the 120,000 Rp entrance fee. I could see that her combination of looks, physique, charm, bright smile, and wonderful English skills coupled with the right cosmetics and outfit would allow her to fit in quite well in the BATS world.

Apparently she had not "worked" in about 2 weeks and had not had any sex during that time. I figured it was BS because I always assume all these girls have local boyfriends, but after getting into action I could tell this was one sex-starved creature.

She sucked me while we showered, she knelt and sucked me again while I stood at the end of the bed, and she sucked me thoroughly while laying down. She was a very passionate and willing kisser and had a darting and penetrating tongue which she used to perfection.

On went the condom, followed by missionary, doggie, cowgirl, then she begged for more doggie. On to reverse cowgirl, then I rolled her over and finished in a spirited missionary crescendo. As I came to the end, her pussy spasmed for about 20 seconds and squeezed the last drops of liquid from my loins.

I mentioned that was one heck of a cum, and she said that was actually orgasm #4. Guess I was too busy to notice.

I looked at the clock and it was 4 am. I was tired and didn't want her to stay. Mercifully she didn't ask to do. We showered, engaged in more small talk, then I handed her the money with 100,000 Rp extra. She wrote down her number and said she really hoped I would call her sometime. Time will tell.

[Smoothy]

Again, Sunday night was not my friend. The patrons at My Bar consisted of one other foreign guy and about 12 well-worn middle-aged hags eyeing me like sharks around a wounded tuna. I simply didn't see anyone there who was worthy of a drop of my man gravy. But it was getting late and I was determined not to go home alone.

Finally I lowered my personal standards to allow one to invade my personal space and sit with me. Her name escapes me, but she was a moderately pretty 42 year old from Bandung. Her loose-fitting dress hid some rolls of fat but the short hemline, low cleavage, ample bosom, and high sandals enhanced her sexiness. She wasn't ideal, but my beer goggles told my brain she would do nicely.

Her English skills were fair and she was a good conversationalist. We had lots of fun and it didn't hurt that she knew what erogenous spots to touch to pique my interest. She seemed genuinely interested in and attracted to me, so after my 5th JL Falatehan beer I was ready to make a deal. She wanted 700,000, I offered 500,000 and she readily accepted.

We walked hand in hand to the end of the road to find a Bluebird taxi, and luckily found one that was willing to use the meter. The whole way there she kept massaging my cock through my pants as we stuck our tongues down each other's throats. We didn't care what the driver thought of our actions. I guess he would have stopped the cab and threw us out if we had offended his Muslim sensibilities too badly.

We ended up at the hotel at 3 am and she ended leaving at 7:30 am. As predicted, the session was superb and was everything I could have hoped for. Used 3 condoms but could only manage 2 cums. It sucks getting old.

She lives far away in Tangerang, so I gave her 100,000 extra so she could get home safely. My only disappointment was seeing her put on her hijab head covering as she was getting dressed. It's always been one of my weird bucket list fantasies to copulate with a Muslim gal dressed in her religious garb. Oh well, maybe tomorrow.

If you found anything at all on a Sunday night at My Bar, you did well. CJs in hotel Mulia is the place to go Sunday night. You have to negotiate there to get a decent deal, but Sunday is slow so the girls have less leverage (and there will almost always be some hot girls there on a Sunday). Wed thru Sat nights you can sometimes find a gem at My Bar, but it's not likely to happen on a Sunday. Still sounds like you got your money's worth. That's the advantage of going with free lancers. The service is much better.

[Smoothy]

Guys, there are no metered Pukasa or Bluebird taxis waiting for customers on Pang-Jay. Just those shitty beat-up Toyota Vios cabs with drivers who know they have us by the balls. It cost me 30,000 Rp to get there and luckily it only took 50,000 to get home. But for those of you traveling to far-flung places, be prepared for some sticker shock.

For sure those taxis are broken down and dirty, and they will rip you off on the price refusing to use the meter. Many of those taxi drivers have been working there as "mafia transport" for over 25 years. They used to drive becaks back in the day when only MTR was there. They have some good stories if you can speak Indonesian. Hotel Classic and Travel have much nicer rooms and just as nice or nicer girls for the same price. But at those places, you can't find taxi drivers who know those old time funny stories and history.

[Smoothy]

It's a dark yet clean place.

Clean relative to what? A dirt road? There aren't many places dirtier than starmoon. Go there with the lights on some afternoon.

I do give them credit for getting rid of the sewage smell in the upstairs rooms. It was there the first few years they opened, but I haven't smelled it in a while now (admittedly, I don't go often these days). Rooms still look as dingy as ever, but the sewage smell is gone.

[Smoothy]

Where I expected to be able to chat to the couch girls first (the more reasonable priced ones) before deciding if we were a match, this was wrong

The girls available to chat to first, were usually dancers in a significantly higher price bracket. I tried to call over a couch girl in Malioboro (upstairs) to chat to only to find the pressure to take her upstairs immediately. She went away quickly and some other customer grabbed her to fuck. She was a superior looker.

I haven't had any problem chatting up the couch girls at Malioboro. They are brought over in a lineup, I select one and she will sit and chat with me for quite a while before she will pressure me to go upstairs. I've never had one immediately pressure me. Sometimes they sit with me an hour before I take them up or even send them back and pick a different girl. I do speak Indonesian though. If you want to speak English to brothel girls in Jakarta, that's a somewhat rare find. If you go to the bars in the 5 star hotels like BATS and CJs, they basically all speak very good English.

Later went to a club with band and singers. Girl standard was a bit lower.

There are some gems in there and price of those girls is less than half of the price of the ones in the other area.

Every person that works there seems to want a tip, in case us newbies get sucked in, but we just don't need the boy waiters hanging around so much.

I never tip anyone at Malioboro (other than the girls) anything.

[Syzygies]

Visited Jakarta, just for a couple of nights, without mongering as primary purpose, and failed to RTFF first. LOL.

My report is completely useless to experienced hands in Jakarta but may have something of use for those just making a Visa run and don't know the place.

Incidentally this is not a great place to apply for a single entry Visa to Thailand, it takes too long and all the evidence they require including Hotel bookings is excessive. So for Thai Visa runs use some other place. E. g. Laos.

This naturally leads to possibility to make many mistakes as a newbie. LOL First one was going to establishments, thinking I would be taking the girl away, when actually had to do her on the premises. LOL So I failed to have my special condoms and lube with me. Now I know you really have to have private arrangements to have girl at your Hotel. No barfining.

Visited Malio club downstairs, Malioboro? Upstairs, 1001 Pool, and night club in something Hotel.

I am going to compare to Bangkok at times, because that is what I know well, but may not always be relevant. Firstly the quality of the girls met in line ups was significantly higher than BKK girls, in that a much higher percentage of the girls I would rate as doable, and lower percentage of total uglies, lower percentage of surgery girls. Line ups relatively large.

Stunning girls tended to be a bit pricey. Nothing strange about that. Cheap priced girls not so stunning (similar to very ordinary Bangkok girls). Behaviour of girls tends to be more aggressive than what I am used to with large numbers of dancing girls coming uninvited, and having to indicate multiple times that they were not going to get a drink, or their friend was not invited (one girl is enough). LOL.

In BKK I find I have to say no only a limited number of times. In Jakarta they don't seem to take no for an answer. Maybe have to repeat it five times to be very clear. LOL.

Where I expected to be able to chat to the couch girls first (the more reasonable priced ones) before deciding if we were a match, this was wrong, it was more like a Bangkok Soapy or MP where you basically had to choose the girl just by looking at her briefly (in BKK soapies you normally get to check out the line up for extended time). This leads to extra possibility to make a mistake, even if Jakarata girl attitudes are generally better than Thai girls.

The girls available to chat to first, were usually dancers in a significantly higher price bracket. I tried to call over a couch girl in Malioboro (upstairs) to chat to only to find the pressure to take her upstairs immediately. She went away quickly and some other customer grabbed her to fuck. She was a superior looker. Had an experience with chatting to a really lovely dancing girl in Malioboro (upstairs) using Google Translate as her English level was extremely low. I liked her a lot for looks and personality. A cut above the rest in my eyes. Unfortunately she was not available to fuck due to on her period. I decided to chat to her anyway. Apparently she also works at Emporium other days, but I did not expect to stay in Jakarta long enough to return for her.

Later found a somewhat raunchy dancing girl to go to a room with in Malio called Tiara. She reminded me of an ex GF but with bigger tits and younger. She was a lot of fun. No issues with her at all other than she went through too many drinks beforehand. LOL My fault. She was keen to give her contact info that suggested cheaper private liasons could be possible. Later spotting dancing girls with stunning bodies, so plenty of talent but a bit pricey. Would have been nice to be there in former times when they danced nude. Instead revealing outfits.

Another day picked a couch girl with no pre-chat to speak of possible, at 1001 and turned out we were not totally compatible. Was very similar to one of my La Belle Soapy gone wrong experiences in Bangkok. Although one factor was we had just 60 minutes available supposedly. I could swear the phone rang at about 40 minutes, but is possible she had wasted so much time in the shower, that time had moved faster than I believed. She enjoyed my DATY. I did not enjoy her BBBJ. Her technique was not good, too fast but shallow, and included too much fingers on the dick, despite me trying hard get her fingers to tickle the balls instead. I was just trying to work out how to finger her to get hard, when the phone rang, and she answered, then tried to continue suggesting 10 minutes left, and then the phone rang again. So no fucking occurred. An easy guy probably would have skipped the DATY, liked the crappy BJ, and fucked her quickly. As usual I find I am often not specially compatible with new girls I don't know.

Later went to a club with band and singers. Girl standard was a bit lower. Mainly the older fattish girls approached me, not my cup of tea. Nothing really my spec but a few acceptable slimmer girls.

Food in Jakarta was weird with lots of unknown battered deep fried stuff (little clue what it was LOL), also fried rice and fried noodles are staples but I generally don't take much carbs so, had to find more Chinese style vegie dishes. Not a great deal of similarity to Bangkok food carts other than very junky type food is available in both places. Just different cheap junk.

Forgive me if I have been unfair at any stage, just was my perceptions knowing very little.

Currency is strange to get used to 1 million rupiah seems to be worth about 2000 Thai baht, or maybe just a bit over $50 US in ball park terms. I don't actually use US currency at all.

In many clubs you have little idea how big you bill is till you leave. Charged based on wrist band. You don't get to leave till bill is paid and get an exit pass. I don't know how much girls make out of the bill paid. Was suggested might be 60%, so very different to Bangkok where generally girl makes more or her money is paid separately to venue costs. So fancy club is making most of the money. Ordinary girls maybe struggling I have no clue.

Every person that works there seems to want a tip, in case us newbies get sucked in, but we just don't need the boy waiters hanging around so much.

I would have been in heaven in my younger mongering days, but my keenness to do new girls has been waning a lot with age, especially last 2 or 3 years. Tend to be happy with my regulars and don't acquire new regulars equal to those I have already, that easily. I could acquire some new regulars in Jakarta for sure though, given time.

[Keen Eye Joe 1]

On Tuesday night I made my maiden voyage to Kota Indah. It doesn't get talked about too often in this forum, but it's definitely worth a visit. It's located in North Jakarta just off JL Pangeran Jayakarta, or Pang-Jay. After dark this road is somewhat dark and menacing, and as the taxi rolled along I had some doubts about my decision to come here. Eventually the driver motioned me out of the cab at a guard shack near a Bali Hai sign, and I strolled by like I had been there before.

Kota Indah is a rectangular residential / business block that has a collection of 8-10 bars / spas. I arrived at around 9 pm and was surprised at how fast I relaxed once I started walking. The area is fairly clean and there were a few "observers" stationed around the area to keep the peace. I never felt threatened or unsafe. In fact, I was pretty much ignored by everyone except for the mamasans.

I stopped by 4 clubs. 3 of them were loud smokey places, loaded with locals sitting on you-shaped padded couches partying with their female companions. It looked like everyone was having a great time, but they weren't the right places for a solitary white guy to fit in.

Finally I walked up the stairs of what ended up being the most suitable establishment, called Starmoon. It's a dark yet clean place with reasonably-priced beer but with uncomfortable elevated chairs that were hard on my butt.

I'd estimate around 50 girls were available. Most were seated behind glass in a well lit, tiered seating fish bowl except for the smokers who would puff in the main bar area before eventually retreating inside. I'd say at least 1/3rd of them were as pretty as any BATS girl I'd seen. Your mileage may vary.

The toilet area was smaller than I had anticipated and had a rather uncommon floor plan. It has a single entrance for everyone, but separate areas containing the men's and women's toilets and a joint-use sink area in the middle.

As I strolled in, I was caught off guard by the presence of 3 beauties taking selfies at the sinks. My immediate reaction was one of horror, where I assumed I had mistakenly stumbled into the female toilet. But one of them jabbered at me in Bahasa and pointed to the right door.

Upon finishing, I went to wash my hands but the girls were still there. They moved aside, and after I was finished one of them motioned that they wanted to take a selfie with me. I can only hope my face is plastered on one of these lovely creature's Facebook wall, waiting to be discovered through the magic of facial recognition software.

The mamasans were attentive but not too pushy as I told them I wanted to drink a bit first. After my first beer, I mentioned to one that I was ready to make my selection.

I asked if any of the girls spoke English, and she said she would find out. She walked inside and eventually brought one to me. Fortunately she was a smoking hot girl: 21 years old with long legs, lovely physique, pretty face, beautiful luscious black hair, and wearing a super short mini dress with 6 inch stripper shoes.

I ordered another beer and offered her something to drink. She seemed a bit hesitant to accept, but finally decided to have some juice. Her English skills were barely adequate and I could tell she was a bit uncomfortable in entertaining a foreigner. But OMG she was absolutely gorgeous and I was not going to let her slip through my fingers.

After paying the 388,000 Rp charge, she led me to a well lit and clean room which had two containers of bottled water. We stripped down and showered together, then she applied some lubricant in her hoo-hoo and gave a somewhat satisfying one minute uncovered blow job. On went the condom and we had about 10 minutes of missionary, doggie, and cowgirl sex before I finished with a vigorous missionary explosion. Again we showered together, then I got dressed, gave her a 50,000 Rp tip, and headed out the door. No demonstrative GFE, but she was pretty, pleasant, and compliant and I left very satisfied.

As I walked to the road I was basking in the glow of doinking a gorgeous creature for a mere $30 US dollars. But my warm feelings evaporated once I had to deal with the local taxi mafia.

Guys, there are no metered Pukasa or Bluebird taxis waiting for customers on Pang-Jay. Just those shitty beat-up Toyota Vios cabs with drivers who know they have us by the balls. It cost me 30,000 Rp to get there and luckily it only took 50,000 to get home. But for those of you traveling to far-flung places, be prepared for some sticker shock.

In retrospect, Kota Indah provides a somewhat comparable experience to Hotel's Travel and Classic, except it's a lot rougher around the edges. The girls dress a lot sluttier at Starmoon and it was nice to be able to sit with a girl and drink and relax without a pushy mamasan hovering overhead. Like General MacArthur, I shall return.

[Keen Eye Joe 1]

I'm a 62 year old American retiree who is staying long term in the Philippines but enjoys vacationing around Asia. I'm not poor but I do value the value of my retirement dollars. I always stay in North Jakarta because $35 a night for a large king sized bed room at the Novotel Hotel is a darned good deal, and there's good variety and value in nearby lower budget mongering options.

I did a cruddy job of planning this trip. Arriving on a Sunday was really stupid from a mongering perspective. In the early evening I ojeked (Indonesian verb) to Lokasari Plaza in Mangga Besar and saw no service providers, so I caught another ojek and headed to the street that I like to call "Three Spa Road". It's the first street southeast of the intersection of JL Raya Mangga Besar and JL Hayam Waruk near the Mangga Besar TransJakarta station. The first spa / club is called Berlian, the second spa's name escapes me and the third is the Kartika body to body massage spa which is staffed by over aged and overweight whales.

In the past I've had good luck with younger providers at Berlian, so I stopped in for a beer at around 8 pm Sunday. Unfortunately the landscape consisted of the oldest, ugliest, chubbiest, and most disinterested females I've ever seen in a Jakarta spa. I am not a fussy man but even in my semi-rigid state I simply could not pull the trigger, even with the temptingly low price of 300,000 Rp. Of course it helps to have Hotel Travel nearby as 380,000 Rp fallback plan.

My taste buds were thirsty for brewed hops and grains, so I bid adieu to the spa and took a taxi to JL Faletahan in Blok M (Bule Street), arriving at around 10:30 pm. Started the evening with a couple of beers at the upstairs pub to the right of My Bar (I think it's called E-something) and had a relaxing time there until I was alcoholically-fortified enough to venture to My Bar to select my lady of the night.

Again, Sunday night was not my friend. The patrons at My Bar consisted of one other foreign guy and about 12 well-worn middle-aged hags eyeing me like sharks around a wounded tuna. I simply didn't see anyone there who was worthy of a drop of my man gravy. But it was getting late and I was determined not to go home alone.

Finally I lowered my personal standards to allow one to invade my personal space and sit with me. Her name escapes me, but she was a moderately pretty 42 year old from Bandung. Her loose-fitting dress hid some rolls of fat but the short hemline, low cleavage, ample bosom, and high sandals enhanced her sexiness. She wasn't ideal, but my beer goggles told my brain she would do nicely.

Her English skills were fair and she was a good conversationalist. We had lots of fun and it didn't hurt that she knew what erogenous spots to touch to pique my interest. She seemed genuinely interested in and attracted to me, so after my 5th JL Falatehan beer I was ready to make a deal. She wanted 700,000, I offered 500,000 and she readily accepted.

We walked hand in hand to the end of the road to find a Bluebird taxi, and luckily found one that was willing to use the meter. The whole way there she kept massaging my cock through my pants as we stuck our tongues down each other's throats. We didn't care what the driver thought of our actions. I guess he would have stopped the cab and threw us out if we had offended his Muslim sensibilities too badly.

We ended up at the hotel at 3 am and she ended leaving at 7:30 am. As predicted, the session was superb and was everything I could have hoped for. Used 3 condoms but could only manage 2 cums. It sucks getting old.

She lives far away in Tangerang, so I gave her 100,000 extra so she could get home safely. My only disappointment was seeing her put on her hijab head covering as she was getting dressed. It's always been one of my weird bucket list fantasies to copulate with a Muslim gal dressed in her religious garb. Oh well, maybe tomorrow.

[Blanquiceleste]

Yeah I just was wanting to get out of the states for the holiday. NYE always sucks here. I will add a 4th thing to your list. Expensive hotels. Thanks for the tip about the fireworks. I would have missed that. Would BKK be different? I'm just curious what makes BKK better for NYE. Starting to think I should change from Pattaya to BKK or Jakarta. I've just spent so much more time in Pattaya so seemed like the best comfortable spot with plenty of younger talent. Out of Japan, South Korea, Indonesia, Philippines, Burma, Cambodia, Vietnam, Macau and Malaysia where would you spend NYE? Going to attempt 3 days in each just not sure what order. May also kick out Macau and South Korea.

I would more certainly drop Korea, Japan, Vietnam, Malaysia and Macau. I have never been to Burma so I cannot comment, although I hear it is great for a short visit (not sure about NYE).

I have been in Jakarata, Bangkok, Pattaya, Manila and Angeles during NYE time and I can safely say BKK was by far the best. Pattaya just gets too crowded and too expensive (compared to usual prices). AC is always fun, and I would happily go back there. Manila is pretty good too, though I noticed the quantity of talent low during the last week of the year right after 23 Dec. I have done Phnom Penh a few times but never during NYE, and I don't think it would be any different really.

I might add Singapore to your list, if money is no object to you. If you are willing to list Japan, Korea and Macau, then I gather your budget will be reasonable. Get a suite at Marina Bay Sands and get some of the most fabulous golden pussies this island nation has to offer. Insanely priced, IMHO. Some places charge $1000 for a couple, just for a table and free flow champagne for 2 hours. Flash the cash and you can totally live the Dan Bilzerian life.

[Goferring]

Out of Japan, South Korea, Indonesia, Philippines, Burma, Cambodia, Vietnam, Macau and Malaysia where would you spend NYE? Going to attempt 3 days in each just not sure what order. May also kick out Macau and South Korea.

If going to the Philippines, be mindful of typhoons during the period between Christmas and NY. Manila is usually pretty good but I've been stuck in towns south of there a few times due to storms rolling in at that time. I wouldn't be paranoid about it but just keep an eye on the forecasts.

Enjoy your trip.

[ThatGuy68]

Since pattaya is a party city to begin with I find NYE in pattaya to be no different than any other night except for 3 things. Expect to pay way more for dinner. Expect fewer girl availability since guys would have prearranged to be with their favorite girl. The 360 degree fireworks show is impressive. Just stand on beach road around Central festival and enjoy.

Yeah I just was wanting to get out of the states for the holiday. NYE always sucks here. I will add a 4th thing to your list. Expensive hotels. Thanks for the tip about the fireworks. I would have missed that. Would BKK be different? I'm just curious what makes BKK better for NYE. Starting to think I should change from Pattaya to BKK or Jakarta. I've just spent so much more time in Pattaya so seemed like the best comfortable spot with plenty of younger talent. Out of Japan, South Korea, Indonesia, Philippines, Burma, Cambodia, Vietnam, Macau and Malaysia where would you spend NYE? Going to attempt 3 days in each just not sure what order. May also kick out Macau and South Korea.

[Banana Boi]

I just booked my 30 day tour through Asia. Landing in BKK on Dec 30th. I had planned on doing NYE in Pattaya. I'm a younger guy but don't think I'm a douchebag. LOL. Any particular reason you prefer BKK over Pattaya for NYE?

Since pattaya is a party city to begin with I find NYE in pattaya to be no different than any other night except for 3 things. Expect to pay way more for dinner. Expect fewer girl availability since guys would have prearranged to be with their favorite girl. The 360 degree fireworks show is impressive. Just stand on beach road around Central festival and enjoy.

[ThatGuy68]

I wouldn't want to be in Pattaya or Bali during Christmas and New Years, but Bangkok and Jakarta are fine. I actually prefer Bangkok over Jakarta during that time period though. It feels more like Christmas in Bangkok than it does in Jakarta and I prefer the New Year's celebrations in Bangkok as well.

I just booked my 30 day tour through Asia. Landing in BKK on Dec 30th. I had planned on doing NYE in Pattaya. I'm a younger guy but don't think I'm a douchebag. LOL. Any particular reason you prefer BKK over Pattaya for NYE?

[Uncle Volodya]

I wouldn't want to be in Pattaya or Bali during Christmas and New Years, but Bangkok and Jakarta are fine. I actually prefer Bangkok over Jakarta during that time period though. It feels more like Christmas in Bangkok than it does in Jakarta and I prefer the New Year's celebrations in Bangkok as well.

I am glad I am not the only one that sees things this way. I was starting to feel liek an old fogey. But these young douchebags are just insufferable.

Actually you now have me thinking that it may be a good idea to split my time between the two. A week or so in each.