Jakarta

[Smoothy]

I tried to arrange a repeat this morning and she asked me for 1 million rupiah. Not sure if she is playing a long game, or really has a need for some quick cash.

Here's what most likely happened. She is not a "pro" so she did not demand money from you the first time, expecting that you would give her money anyway when it was all said and done. Since she's fairly new to the game, she was not comfortable discussing money and didn't demand money when you didn't give it. She then went home crying to her friends that you didn't give her money. They told her that most guys will give money without asking, but since you did not, she has to demand money up front. So she is now demanding money up front.

That kind of thing used to happen to me when I was new in Jakarta. I was too naive to realize that even when these girls don't demand money, they still actually desperately need it. I would even ask them "do you need money"? And they wouldn't say anything and would seem uncomfortable with the question, so I wouldn't give it to them. After I lived in Jakarta longer and got to know these girl's situations, those girls absolutely needed that money. Hell, back then it was only 300k. Looking back on my youth, I feel bad to have not given the "nicer" girls money when they left. You were lucky to find one these days. They used to be the norm in Indonesia, but now the norm is for the girls to be hard core and pretty much always demand money up front.

[Flint45]

Yes, it's a scam, don't believe any of it. $1,500 for a flight from Macau to Indonesia? During this time of year, the fare should be to $300 to $500 round-trip Hong-Kong-Jakarta depending on the airline (plus the ferry fare from Macau to Hong Kong). In fact, one can buy a round-trip ticket from Hong Kong to New York for around $800-900.

Your last paragraph describes one modus operandi for these girls - don't ask for any money at first, then go for a big hit.

I must also say that this is a strange topic for someone who has written only one post. Why haven't you written anything about your exploits in the past?

I post under different name before.

She say it for flight from Viet, rent, and find job. Sound like she got trick? She tell me she do Macau too long and don't like there anymore, but she make big mistake go to Indo.

You think she play this game this long? We meet over one year ago.

[Ceegee]

Any pictures? I'm curious what an 8. 5 in Indonesia looks like.

I don't do pics. Too much information embedded in them these days, and my situation does not cater for creating evidence of these activities.

[Ceegee]

This story puts Indonesia near the top of my list for my next trip! I've found that chances are actually pretty good to find freebies in SE Asia, be it PI, Thailand, or Vietnam. Did you just do normal flirting / chatting before you met up?

You know what they say about something that seems to good to be true. That has been at the back of my mind ever since I met her. I tried to arrange a repeat this morning and she asked me for 1 million rupiah. Not sure if she is playing a long game, or really has a need for some quick cash. She has it in the looks department, but not in the service level provided, so I won't repeat at that price.

[Mighty Spearsman]

Met Viet girl in Macau, and we trade chat info, and have chatting regularly, also meet up several times when I am back. Always very GFE, and never ask for money. I thought I hit the jackpot, real freebee! Well, she got tired Macau and go to Indo on "a friend"s tip. She say she now work some place where she only massage. Can't make enough money only enough to eat and rent and owe the people that bring her there $1,500 for her flight and job to get passport back to go home. Her visa up soon if she don't pay then she pays more to get it back.

Do you old hands think this story is real? Sound like she is in with very bad people. In person very sweet, dunno if she would be playing me so long to ask for so much. Its a lot but don't want her trapped either. In a year she never ask for anything except small gift (80) one time.

What would you do?

Yes, it's a scam, don't believe any of it. $1,500 for a flight from Macau to Indonesia? During this time of year, the fare should be to $300 to $500 round-trip Hong-Kong-Jakarta depending on the airline (plus the ferry fare from Macau to Hong Kong). In fact, one can buy a round-trip ticket from Hong Kong to New York for around $800-900.

Your last paragraph describes one modus operandi for these girls - don't ask for any money at first, then go for a big hit.

I must also say that this is a strange topic for someone who has written only one post. Why haven't you written anything about your exploits in the past?

[Smoothy]

What turned up was more like an 8, maybe 8.5!

Any pictures? I'm curious what an 8. 5 in Indonesia looks like.

[Robert Long]

Hmm. This sounds a bit like what I hear Thai girls doing, where there is always a sick family member. But why not give the sick family member story? I would think that'd be a higher chance of success? So maybe this one is real. And $1500 is a lot to ask for!

I would stay as far away from this as possible. Look, they know that what's between their legs can get them anything they want. And it can. I amazes me how many guys full in love with these WG's and Mary them and feed them money from afar.

If she is for real, and I seriously doubt that, then you come and take care of her and get her out of Jakarta. If she was in Macau then chances are she a WG, being from VN to begin with and then I can't understand why she would leave Macau. That big money. I have a friend that goes there a lot and he pays $250.00 for an hour with a pick from the line up.

There is to many fish in the sea to throw money at something like that. Good luck.

RL.

[Dirk67]

Met Viet girl in Macau, and we trade chat info, and have chatting regularly, also meet up several times when I am back. Always very GFE, and never ask for money. I thought I hit th jackpot, real freebee! Well, she got tired Macau and go to Indo on "a friend"s tip. She say she now work some place where she only massage. Can't make enough money only enough to eat and rent and owe the people that bring her there $1,500 for her flight and job to get passport back to go home. Her visa up soon if she don't pay then she pays more to get it back.

Do you old hands think this story is real? Sound like she is in with very bad people. In person very sweet, dunno if she would be playing me so long to ask for so much. Its a lot but don't want her trapped either. In a year she never ask for anything except small gift (80) one time.

What would you do?

Hmm. This sounds a bit like what I hear Thai girls doing, where there is always a sick family member. But why not give the sick family member story? I would think that'd be a higher chance of success? So maybe this one is real. And $1500 is a lot to ask for!

[Chuday]

Thank you Smoothy for taking the trouble to explain "male vitality" massage. Folks such as yourself make the forum and you are one lucky guy.

Cheers,

Chuday.

[Dirk67]

On a recent trip to the provinces, meet a late 20-something cutie through badoo. One of those rare ones where the pictures do not do her justice. The profile pics portrayed maybe a 6, normal looking office girl. What turned up was more like an 8, maybe 8.5!

She was so keen to meet, I thought she was in it for the money. Nope, I almost lost her when I steered the conversation towards money. Had to do some back pedaling there. She just wanted the bule cock inside her, and she wants to meet again as soon as I go back. The sight of her tight hard body riding on top of me with her head thrown back and moaning deeply while she cums will stay with me for awhile.

BUT, and there is always a but, she was very tentative about giving me a BJ, was not even that keen on doggie style, by this time I had given up any idea of probing the back door to see if anal was on the table. Since she was a freebie, I had no pricing power and I imagine she would have immediately walked out the door if I grabbed the back of her head and shoved it down on my cock! Sometimes there is something to be said for paying up to get exactly what you want. But who does not like a freebie. Will I repeat? Yes, I am weak. Haha.

This story puts Indonesia near the top of my list for my next trip! I've found that chances are actually pretty good to find freebies in SE Asia, be it PI, Thailand, or Vietnam. Did you just do normal flirting / chatting before you met up?

[Fast Eddie 48]

Those are not "real" businesses. I don't have any idea how you could look them up. I have the phone numbers because random unknown people slip business cards under my apartment door almost every week. They sell "male vitality" massage and always promise that the girls are under 25 years old and good looking (not all of them are actually young and good looking, so you need to get them to send you a photo first). But many times the girls are quite nice. The girls will come your your place and the price is 200k for a 2 hour oil massage where they mainly massage your cock, balls, and ass, but they do give you a true full body massage. Most times they actually do give quite a good massage. Then at the end, they try to negotiate extra to get you off with a handjob, bj, or full sex. I'm normally quite excited by that time since they are usually quite expert at the art of sensual cock and ball massage taking you to the brink, but not getting you off yet. These "businesses" don't last long, so the phone numbers are rarely good for more than a year. It's usually an indo guy who knows a couple of girls who want to make some extra money who printed up some business cards at Blok M or somewhere similar and paid some young kids to slip the cards under people's doors. I find that the attractive girls will never come to visit until after 6pm, and usually even after 10pm, but they will gladly come between 10pm and 3am. And like typical indo girls, they are normally an hour or so late.

To Smoothy.

I stay in many hotel in Jarkata and Bali I never have got any business card slip in the door at my hotel before, but in China and Thailand I get this all the time even hotel staff knock on my door ask me if I need company or massage, I like to go out and hunt for myself anyway is more fun.

Fast eddie 48.

[Smoothy]

Those are not "real" businesses. I don't have any idea how you could look them up. I have the phone numbers because random unknown people slip business cards under my apartment door almost every week. They sell "male vitality" massage and always promise that the girls are under 25 years old and good looking (not all of them are actually young and good looking, so you need to get them to send you a photo first). But many times the girls are quite nice. The girls will come your your place and the price is 200k for a 2 hour oil massage where they mainly massage your cock, balls, and ass, but they do give you a true full body massage. Most times they actually do give quite a good massage. Then at the end, they try to negotiate extra to get you off with a handjob, bj, or full sex. I'm normally quite excited by that time since they are usually quite expert at the art of sensual cock and ball massage taking you to the brink, but not getting you off yet. These "businesses" don't last long, so the phone numbers are rarely good for more than a year. It's usually an indo guy who knows a couple of girls who want to make some extra money who printed up some business cards at Blok M or somewhere similar and paid some young kids to slip the cards under people's doors. I find that the attractive girls will never come to visit until after 6pm, and usually even after 10pm, but they will gladly come between 10pm and 3am. And like typical indo girls, they are normally an hour or so late.

[Chuday]

Smoothy,

Sorry. Did not want to imply that hand me the digits over a silver platter. Am hoping you would share some pointers such as xyz area. Or call up listings and ask for "abc services. ".

I believe it's against the rules to post phone numbers on the forum.

[Smoothy]

I believe it's against the rules to post phone numbers on the forum.

[Sympalogy]

Hey Smoothy.

Who should I dial for "Male Vitality" Outcalls?

+1.

I join my voice to Chuday in order to know more about the Male Vitality masseuses who are more beautiful than normal massage girls in Jakarta.

Sounds just like my thing!