Jakarta

[Master Diver II]

Bro,

I am wondering whether you are not looking for too much : classy working broads, and GFE ... may happen of course if and when you get lucky, but I don't think anyone can guarantee that, anywhere and for any amount of money ...

If you are interested, I have the number of a gal in Bandung who asks for 1.5 juta a nighter for her and 2.5 juta for 2 girls. I have not tried her and only seen the pics of her and her friend who looked hot hot hot.

Otherwise I have been to a bar (quite nice) and disco in the north Jakarta, called 7 something, where most of people are chinese, run by chinese, (mafia I was told), and the girls there were stunning and of course very very expensive, in the millions of Rupiahs to get them out. Maybe JAD could know where it is. If you are interested, let me know and I can ask the friends who took me there.

Cheers.

Bro,

I'm aware the geninely classy girl depends on your luck (always on the look out for what luck may bring)but what I'm looking for in this instance is some girls who will be perceived as such by certain reasonably discerning gentlemen(?) with as much GFE as is possible. I'm also into exploring whatever Jakarta has to offer so if there's anything interesting, I will certainly look into it.

As for the ladies from Bandung, I have no objection into checking them out as well - as long as I can get them in front of me without shelling out the cash to some account before I have any assurance of knowing they will appear and be available for action. How are you bro? Heard you'll be paying a visit soon. Any confirmed dates?

MD II

[Knight 1001]

Bro,

I am wondering whether you are not looking for too much : classy working broads, and GFE ... may happen of course if and when you get lucky, but I don't think anyone can guarantee that, anywhere and for any amount of money ...

If you are interested, I have the number of a gal in Bandung who asks for 1.5 juta a nighter for her and 2.5 juta for 2 girls. I have not tried her and only seen the pics of her and her friend who looked hot hot hot.

Otherwise I have been to a bar (quite nice) and disco in the north Jakarta, called 7 something, where most of people are chinese, run by chinese, (mafia I was told), and the girls there were stunning and of course very very expensive, in the millions of Rupiahs to get them out. Maybe JAD could know where it is. If you are interested, let me know and I can ask the friends who took me there.

Cheers.

.....
At this point I would like to appeal to the forum for some much needed information; there is an occasional need to have high end corporate entertainment - but where can I source the higher end girls? I have been to Hartono’s before and various spas. However, I’m still at a loss as to where to find classy girls who would fit in with serious GFE. I would appreciate any information in this area.

MD II

[Playboy2001]

Had been to this Spa yesterday.

To locate this Spa easily, this is 300 mts from Pasar Baru Timur - TransJKT bus stop. I got stuck in Taxi due to the traffic, by bus, I feel it should be smooth.

Get down at this stop and proceed towards Ancol 300 mts , take a left turn Opp.to Golden Boutique Hotel and the immediate right, you are at Jl. Kartini Raya.

When I went there on Sunday at 4 PM most of the rooms including the VIP ones (only 4) are full and had to wait for 30 minutes to get a VIP room. I utilised that time for Sauna & Steam bath.

Spoke to Dedy and took liberty to say that Bro.Oyenk has referred this Spa to me (thanks to the old posts in this forum).

He chose number 65 for me. Girl was beautiful, 20 years old with long hair and legs, very thin. She gave a good Shiatsu massage followed by scrub.

However, she kept on watching TV during massage which simply irritated me and said she cant do a BJ. For FJ, she wanted 500K, which I said Can't.

After some time, she came down to 300K, by that time only 10 minutes was left.

Facility is good and one can visit once to decide to continue with a second visit or not. I think FJ can be done at 250-300K.

On my return, I saw there is a spa in the name of "My place Spa and Cafe" inside Golden Boutique Hotel. Have anybody tried that?

Cheers!

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[Master Diver II]

Has this been a busy week in the forum or what? I was in Jakarta and didn’t check for a few days and suddenly find I have so much reading to do! I would only request that Aakumu check on how to quote other FRs (sorry bro, it made for very confusing reading).

I personally don’t want to say too much on the subject but, much as we may feel it should be an equal world for all of us, it just isn’t. I’m an Asian (albeit sometimes they can’t figure out which part of Asia) and I can assure you that there are places where my custom is better appreciated, and some where I do wonder why I’m there at all. Without being overly vain, I’m still a presentable and reasonably well-maintained 44 year old. Yet in BATS or the Felatehan bars, I would lose out (as a whole) to almost any bule. Just as in Delilah or Tiga Kuda, the Arabs rule the roost. But in the end, does this bother me or put me off Jakarta? Hell no (actually I’m lying – you mean they prefer that fat balding 60 year old to me? I could only accept that if it was Menteng and he's not fat) I’d be off to Jakarta like a shot at any given opportunity. Bule, Asian, whatever, we share the same hobby guys. Don’t we tend to return to the places where we extract the best fun for our hard earned (I’m assuming) funds?

Coincidentally, it was unusual for me to find myself in Malioboro on Friday night as this is not my usual scene. However, in the interest of exploring Jakarta further, I sacrificed my comfort level and followed JAD to investigate this establishment. We arrived at 7.45pm and hence had about 15 minutes to wait for the dancing show. When it finally began with 5 or 6 girls (you can tell I was really riveted) dancing in skimpy underwear with an overall lack of real enthusiasm. Not my thing but the guys in the pool could not wait to have them hop into the water with them and blow some money. We then proceeded upstairs where there is a reception area, a TV lounge/theatre behind it, one lounge to the left and one more to the right.

The lounge on the left is for local girls marked as second grade; from what I see, they seem to categorize depending on colour of the skin, skin imperfections, complexion, ability to use make up and possibly ability to socialise and market to the clientele. Pricing here is 350k ST (1 hour) and overnight at 3 tickets (3 X 350k). I assume they also make the lighting and ambience feel a little cheaper since this is clearly economy class here.

The lounge on the right (we’re right in C class here) is brighter with a stage to the right and glass tables for everyone to sit around. The grade I locals are seated to the right in front of the stage (Clearly better grooming and skin). This does not necessarily mean better attitude. Pricing here is 800k ST (1½ hours) with overnight at 2 tickets (2 X 800k). The girls from China, Mongolia(?), Russia, Ukraine and Thailand were seated on the left. The basic rate being 1.5M ST (1½ hours) and overnight at 3 tickets (3 X 1.5M). Some of the Thai girls claim to be models and as such command 1.65M ST and some overnighters being 5 tickets (5 X 1.65M!! Please correct me if I’m wrong here JAD). A couple of the Russians/Ukrainians also command the premium of 5 tickets for overnight - they are supposed to be exceptional (but to be honest I didn’t really view them, nor were they identified to me for me to judge).

I tried one of the locals from grade I, and I have to say that even though I "finished", it was hardly the best value for money. The BBBJ was ok and she had a good enough attitude but the GFE was not really there (no FK and no wet pussy, 2nd time I’ve seen lube in Jakarta for pussy use – and I’ve been here regularly since 2003). As an indicator, I can’t remember her name and the service was as forgettable. You may want to bring your own condoms as the condoms supplied here are on the small side and can make for an uncomfortable time (please take note that I do have a penchant for understatement at times). Apparently you can have more than one shot with the girls in the expensive lounge and there is some tipping over and above the prices quoted (even as high as 500k – 1M for overnighters). This would seem somewhat pricey but not as high as I’ve seen in Singapore for some of the escort services (I have seen SG$2000 overnight – 13M rupiahs). I did see some absolute stunners in the expensive range of foreigners and might have to invest/raise some funds for the necessary research.

At this point I would like to appeal to the forum for some much needed information; there is an occasional need to have high end corporate entertainment - but where can I source the higher end girls? I have been to Hartono’s before and various spas. However, I’m still at a loss as to where to find classy girls who would fit in with serious GFE. I would appreciate any information in this area.

MD II

[Memekman]

The main reason I don't use a card now is that the card companies have got so risk-averse they often block cards if there is an "irregular spending pattern". They blocked mine a year or so ago when I check-in at Le Meridien - where I've been going 5 or 6 times a year for 15 years. Once blocked it's a pain in the arse to get them unblocked and can costs a fortune in phone calls. Other benefits are the ones already discussed along with the avoidance of an audit trail should I wish to not declare where I've been.

I can understand the caution required in using credit cards because of possible scams and thefts of the numbers and the need not to leave a paper trail. My local credit card company is so cautious that if there is a charge of over $100 they phone and since I am only a supplementary card-holder with my wife as the main holder, obviously using the local credit card would lead to a situation too grim to be imagined. But fortunately, I have an Amex card in my name issued in my home country where I am the sole holder. So I can use it and since the entries are quite cryptic such as GAH Spa, the question of an easily followable paper trail does not arise. Amusingly, the bill that I got from Alexis was for Sashimi! I didn't know that the service provided by a Vietnamese girl enjoyed the same name as as Japanese dish! Lol.

But on the larger issue of card safety, one has to balance out the convenience that a card offers versus the probability of scams and possible theft of the number. By minimizing usage, you may reduce the risk but even so the number can be stolen from the bank computer itself. Thus, this could happen even if you were shopping in the Sogo Foodhall or paying your hotel or buying an airline ticket! Yes, I agree with you that one should not use the card in a small hole-in-the-corner establishment but do feel that using it in Alexis is safe as any other hotel.

It was because of this that I had mentioned in my report that cards (incl. Amex which a lot of establishments do not accept) were accepted because someone might need to use it in a situation of emergency .

[Fast Eddie 48]

The main reason I don't use a card now is that the card companies have got so risk-averse they often block cards if there is an "irregular spending pattern". They blocked mine a year or so ago when I check-in at Le Meridien - where I've been going 5 or 6 times a year for 15 years. Once blocked it's a pain in the arse to get them unblocked and can costs a fortune in phone calls. Other benefits are the ones already discussed along with the avoidance of an audit trail should I wish to not declare where I've been.

Bulai 69,

Credit card company do this to protect the consumer ,I always contact my US credit card company before I travel to asia or South america to let them know I will be using my CC there but for my company CC I never have any problems it have a large limit.

Fast eddie 48

[Bulai69]

The main reason I don't use a card now is that the card companies have got so risk-averse they often block cards if there is an "irregular spending pattern". They blocked mine a year or so ago when I check-in at Le Meridien - where I've been going 5 or 6 times a year for 15 years. Once blocked it's a pain in the arse to get them unblocked and can costs a fortune in phone calls. Other benefits are the ones already discussed along with the avoidance of an audit trail should I wish to not declare where I've been.

[Aakumu]

Tiny, as I said I have also faced this discrimination, if one can call it as such, at both Bintang Mawar as well as Alexis, where I am a frequent visitor. I know that I am not given a free choice at the latter, as the Mamasan calls only those girls who will go with a non-Indonesian to line up. At Bintang Mawar, a girl I selected and pointed out to the Mamasan did not agree to come with me. But as I said, I don't get worked up about it as I feel its the girl has a right to choose. You can call it is prejudice, ignorance or cultural preference. But I don't think it is because 'they think that the rest of us less than human'.

Sure racism is every where except in most cases one would call it personal preference. The term should only be used where it involves discrimination in the provision of a public service or public good such as restricting entry to a public place or preventing the use of a public service such as a hospital or school, which is open to everyone else, solely on the basis of colour. But while these working girls may be public women in the old fashioned sense of the term, they are not public goods. They are human beings with the right to decide and while they may doing this under some compulsion, like shortage of money, a starving family etc., they are still free and retain the right over their body including the right to refuse a client, for instance not to agree to anal sex as it is too painful or a offer services a sadist etc. We go these places assuming that they are working of their own free will and not being forced to offer sex due to physical threats by their mamsans/ papasans/ bosses. In fact if this was the case, most of us would not even visit these bordello/MPs.

I am happy that Scooter Pie has expressed similar views and shown the absurd outcome if the mongerer had no freedom of choice and was not allowed to refuse a woman offered even if she was fat or ugly and thus argued that the same freedom should be available to the girl. I totally agree with him. Thank you for your compliments bro but even more for your support.

As regards the last para that you did not understand, it not that I am straightaway challenged on the issue of nationality. It's more subtle than that because they say ' Bersal dari mana?' and guess saying say 'orang belanda?' or 'orang perancis?' etc. Now I have the option to smile and let them continue with this and let them think I am from one of these countries. But since I don't like to masquerade as a Dutchman or Frenchman, I do tell them where I am from. At which point the girl or her handler looses interest and turns away from me! C'est la vie!

Hi bro,

Nice, I could write it any better.

My humble two cents.

[Memekman]

Spice Lover, I can sympathize with Dorman too, as I've had same thing happen at TC, Bintang Mawar, and a couple of other places in north Jakarta. I don't think Dorman was displaying "bule" arrogance. It's more like a case of hooker arrogance. From what I understand, this is common in Japan and Korea, where some of the locals think the rest of us are less than human. If this were a case of the women not wanting to go with men they can't communicate with, I'd understand. But I don't think that's the case, I think it's ignorance and racism.

Frankly if I were in your shoes I'd get annoyed if turned away on account of my nationality. Also I don't understand your last paragraph below. Are hookers and their tenders asking your nationality, and then turning you down if you don't respond with the right answer?

Tiny, as I said I have also faced this discrimination, if one can call it as such, at both Bintang Mawar as well as Alexis, where I am a frequent visitor. I know that I am not given a free choice at the latter, as the Mamasan calls only those girls who will go with a non-Indonesian to line up. At Bintang Mawar, a girl I selected and pointed out to the Mamasan did not agree to come with me. But as I said, I don't get worked up about it as I feel its the girl has a right to choose. You can call it is prejudice, ignorance or cultural preference. But I don't think it is because 'they think that the rest of us less than human'.

Sure racism is every where except in most cases one would call it personal preference. The term should only be used where it involves discrimination in the provision of a public service or public good such as restricting entry to a public place or preventing the use of a public service such as a hospital or school, which is open to everyone else, solely on the basis of colour. But while these working girls may be public women in the old fashioned sense of the term, they are not public goods. They are human beings with the right to decide and while they may doing this under some compulsion, like shortage of money, a starving family etc., they are still free and retain the right over their body including the right to refuse a client, for instance not to agree to anal sex as it is too painful or a offer services a sadist etc. We go these places assuming that they are working of their own free will and not being forced to offer sex due to physical threats by their mamsans/ papasans/ bosses. In fact if this was the case, most of us would not even visit these bordello/MPs.

I am happy that Scooter Pie has expressed similar views and shown the absurd outcome if the mongerer had no freedom of choice and was not allowed to refuse a woman offered even if she was fat or ugly and thus argued that the same freedom should be available to the girl. I totally agree with him. Thank you for your compliments bro but even more for your support.

As regards the last para that you did not understand, it not that I am straightaway challenged on the issue of nationality. It's more subtle than that because they say ' Bersal dari mana?' and guess saying say 'orang belanda?' or 'orang perancis?' etc. Now I have the option to smile and let them continue with this and let them think I am from one of these countries. But since I don't like to masquerade as a Dutchman or Frenchman, I do tell them where I am from. At which point the girl or her handler looses interest and turns away from me! C'est la vie!

[Smoothy]

The simple fact is that there are girls in Jakarta who don't feel comfortable going with Bules. Places that cater mostly to locals will have girls like that. Many times they are scared that bule's penises are too big or that they won't be able to communicate due to the language barrier.

I've had girls at many knock shops in north jakarta not want to go with me because I'm a bule. I find that if they are not up for it, it's best to forget about them and find one who does want to be with me. The service provided will be far better if the girl has a good attitude. I get disappointed sometimes when the girls are hot and don't want to go with me, but I can understand. The girls of this type are normally uneducated kampung girls who don't know much about anything other than their sheltered life. I imagine a bule is practically an alien from another world as far as they are concerned. LOL!

The mamasans will force the girls in most of those places to go with me if I were to push it, but I'm not into that. I was at a north jakarta knock shop a while ago and a girl was literally crying her eyes out as the mamasan was forcing her to go with a black guy who she did not want to go with. There was actually quite a struggle between her and the mamasan as the mama was forcing the girl over to the guy. And he took that girl upstairs! I'm sure the service he received was poor. There were other girls there who would have gone with him willingly but he chose to force himself on one who would not. It just seems wrong to me. I'm glad to hear the girls at Malioboro at least have a choice.

There are plenty of places in Jakarta where the girls actually prefer the bules to the locals. Let's face it, a bule has a good life in Jakarta!

[Goferring]

Spice Lover, I can sympathize with Dorman too, as I've had same thing happen at TC, Bintang Mawar, and a couple of other places in north Jakarta.

Guys,

Another thing to consider is that bule's generally occupy the middle range of the mongering market. We normally stay away from the very bottom and very top end girls (see JAD's reports on invitation only events and 30 MRp. ST models and actresses).

I'm not suggesting that the establishments mentioned are top of the line or the members mentioned are poor hobos just that sometimes the girls prefer to stick to their normal market

Again no offernce to anyone. Just my HO.

Goffer

[Aakumu]

Anyway I took my seat and a Mama dutifully arrived, she explained that the girls celebrating a birthday by knocking back a bottle of Johnny Walker in the adjacent booth were her girls. No problem, she insisted that number *** was the best girl, but I didn't fancy her, were there any others? Yes of course but he kept coming back to the same girl, meanwhile I noticed other clients were getting the full "line 'them up and let the punters see the goodies" treatment. At this point I got a little bit irritated and asked Mama why my selection was being so limited.

She said that some of the girls didn't like bules, now remember this is a club that provides Ukrainian and Russian not to mention Thai and Chinese girls on tap. I remained calm and asked whether it was only bules the girls didn't like, no she replied they don't like Arabs either! I remarked that this was a bit out of order, she sighed and agreed and said it was the boss's fault; "they don't punish the girls enough"! As you can imagine I was getting a little annoyed at this point and a male "papasan" arrived and called on his retinue, but it was quite obvious that he was offering me the second eleven and the quality girls were being reserved for the other customers.

Well I am usually an easygoing chap, I accept I'm a foreigner in this town and the same privileges don't apply to me but I have to say this bugged me a bit, I had more than enough cash to enjoy an evening that some of the local clientèle could only dream of but I was getting distinctly second class treatment so I did something I've never done before; I complained. As I was paying I mentioned to the cashier that I was unhappy about the discriminatory practices, a young lad, the boss I presume, heard me and asked for details, he called the male "papasan" and whilst my BI might not be perfect I could clearly hear that he confirmed my story. Anyway the upshot was that I said I wasn't happy, the boss didn't seem terribly concerned, I said I would mention it on the internet, he still didn't seem bothered, so I paid my bill and being a man of my word I'm posting this up.

If Malioboro think I misunderstood their position, they have the perfect forum to contradict me.

First, my sympathize to bro Dorman, but to be fair, different places caters to different clientails.

I sympathize with Dorman because of this experience with the Malioboro because as a commercial establishment it should not discriminate between customers. I have had similar experience with the Alexis when the Mamasan told me that a girl I has asked for didn't want to go with me because she didn't want to service a 'bule'. Fortunately, not being a bule I was able to tell the mamasan that she had got it wrong and that I had already had a session with the girl earlier. The misunderstanding removed, I was able to enjoy the services of the girl.

Probably, JAD may be better able to explain the matter why the Malioboro management discriminated against Dorman. However, as a non-Caucasian I would like to present the other view, particularly because there is a hint of 'bule' arrogance in Dorman's statement that 'I had more than enough cash to enjoy an evening that some of the local clientèle could only dream of' which implies that the colour of his money (and his skin) was better than that of the local customers. I think, bro Dorman should also realize that the colour of his skin is a great passport in Indonesia where 'kulit putih' is in great demand because, in my experience, most Indonesians suffer from a colonial hangover and venerate the white man, though God alone knows why because from all reports they suffered quite horribly under the Dutch.

In fact, I have also suffered the opposite discrimination here because while I can pass off as a Caucasian because of my skin colour, I frankly tell people my nationality up front because I see no reason to masquerade and dissemble. As a result I have been often turned down but have shrugged it away because I feel that a woman even a commercial sex worker has the freedom and the right to turn away a customer for whatever reason- may be she is afraid of the size of his prick (the mythical bule endowment that is legendary here just like the mythical size of a black man's prick in the US) or his smell or whatever.

I would, therefore, advise bro Dorman to take it philosophically because he should realize that it is more often an advantage for a mongerer to be a 'bule' in Indonesia than a disadvantage and he should count his blessings in this regard rather than boasting on the size of his wallet. In passing, I should point out that in my experience the Indonesians who frequent the up-market spas could buy me and even most other mongerers several times over seeing the cars that they come in and the money that they spend like water. Let me conclude by clarifying that this is not to flame anyone nor is it directed at any ethnic group but an attempt to put the matter in perspective.

Bro Spice Lover, you are a True States Man, but I think establishment do play a race card and class status. Going south the girls tends to choose the White and Japanese guys and nearer to Kota they tends to choose local Chinese.

That is just the suiting to the market demands.

Spice Lover,

I am very impressed with this eloquent piece or writing. You must be a diplomat

Dorman all I have to say is no body ever has to fuck you or anyone else. If girls have absolutely NO choice it is called 'slavery'. We mongers have a choice in who we choose to fuck/pay and believe it or not the girls have a choice too. If you didn't like it you should have just left the establishment instead of begrudgingly handing over your money to them. We all have been scammed or learned costly lessons while enjoying our hobby. This is life, deal with it. If you want *****s that always accept people of your color, then go to a region of the world where you are the typical client.

Even in the US, many hot white/asian WG's say they won't fuck black guys. I don't think another 'million man March' against these girls will do a damn thing. People have a choice. The same way you have the choice in choosing only the girls that seem 'attractive' to you, even these girls have a choice, as ludicrous that may seem to you.

Let me put it another way. If you walked into a Bordello, and then the mama walks over to you and slaps the cousin of big foot on your lap, what would you do? Lets say nobody gets to have a 'CHOICE' of who fucks who. Would you nail sasquatch's cousin? I doubt it. So if YOU can have a choice, why the hell can't the girls?

Look the truth is. In this hobby, if you're younger, more attractive, and have a great body you're going to get more looks from hotter girls and better service, period. It is true in our hobby as it is in pretty much anything in life, where how you look and who you are plays a role.

I know you were upset about being denied equal service, but honestly the arrogance in saying " I had more than enough cash to enjoy an evening that some of the local clientèle could only dream of " is a pretty weak comeback. Because regardless of what you do, if you worked in Jakarta and your services were priced for the local market and you were paid in rupia, without the benefit of an exchange rate, I'm pretty sure many here would not be able to go to places such as Malioboro. Context is very important. I used to think I was well off until I partied with some friends of mine that would dump $20, 000 USD CASH on one (1) night out of whoring and drinking.

We are tourists. We are visiting their country, so no matter how much you think the cash in your pocket entitles you to respect, it helps to be humble in another man's house.

I personal can see it both ways; I a mixed blood living in Jakarta and I sometimes get discriminated both ways, when I am in the south and I speak a bit bahasa, the girls would be put off by me, as I look somewhat Caucasian. They preceived to be bule and I have localize; and the reverse had happened to me also was in Kota's KTV. Freinds all local invited me to join them KTV's they said they already pick a girls for me, when I got there, the girl left the room stating that she do not want to serve a bule. It [CodeWord140] the hell off my friends, they tried to explain to the girl that I am not bule but to no sucess.

That is how the dice roll.

Money talks and bullshit walk, and in this line money not race talks louder.

So I move on, maybe my wallet is not thick enough that night.

My humble two cents.

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[Tiny 12]

Spice Lover, I can sympathize with Dorman too, as I've had same thing happen at TC, Bintang Mawar, and a couple of other places in north Jakarta. I don't think Dorman was displaying "bule" arrogance. It's more like a case of hooker arrogance. From what I understand, this is common in Japan and Korea, where some of the locals think the rest of us are less than human. If this were a case of the women not wanting to go with men they can't communicate with, I'd understand. But I don't think that's the case, I think it's ignorance and racism.

Frankly if I were in your shoes I'd get annoyed if turned away on account of my nationality. Also I don't understand your last paragraph below. Are hookers and their tenders asking your nationality, and then turning you down if you don't respond with the right answer?

However, as a non-Caucasian I would like to present the other view, particularly because there is a hint of 'bule' arrogance in Dorman's statement that 'I had more than enough cash to enjoy an evening that some of the local clientèle could only dream of' which implies that the colour of his money (and his skin) was better than that of the local customers.

In fact, I have also suffered the opposite discrimination here because while I can pass off as a Caucasian because of my skin colour, I frankly tell people my nationality up front because I see no reason to masquerade and dissemble. As a result I have been often turned down but have shrugged it away because I feel that a woman even a commercial sex worker has the freedom and the right to turn away a customer for whatever reason

[Scooter Pie]

I sympathize with Dorman because of this experience with the Malioboro because as a commercial establishment it should not discriminate between customers. I have had similar experience with the Alexis when the Mamasan told me that a girl I has asked for didn't want to go with me because she didn't want to service a 'bule'. Fortunately, not being a bule I was able to tell the mamasan that she had got it wrong and that I had already had a session with the girl earlier. The misunderstanding removed, I was able to enjoy the services of the girl.

Probably, JAD may be better able to explain the matter why the Malioboro management discriminated against Dorman. However, as a non-Caucasian I would like to present the other view, particularly because there is a hint of 'bule' arrogance in Dorman's statement that 'I had more than enough cash to enjoy an evening that some of the local clientèle could only dream of' which implies that the colour of his money (and his skin) was better than that of the local customers. I think, bro Dorman should also realize that the colour of his skin is a great passport in Indonesia where 'kulit putih' is in great demand because, in my experience, most Indonesians suffer from a colonial hangover and venerate the white man, though God alone knows why because from all reports they suffered quite horribly under the Dutch.

In fact, I have also suffered the opposite discrimination here because while I can pass off as a Caucasian because of my skin colour, I frankly tell people my nationality up front because I see no reason to masquerade and dissemble. As a result I have been often turned down but have shrugged it away because I feel that a woman even a commercial sex worker has the freedom and the right to turn away a customer for whatever reason- may be she is afraid of the size of his prick (the mythical bule endowment that is legendary here just like the mythical size of a black man's prick in the US) or his smell or whatever.

I would, therefore, advise bro Dorman to take it philosophically because he should realize that it is more often an advantage for a mongerer to be a 'bule' in Indonesia than a disadvantage and he should count his blessings in this regard rather than boasting on the size of his wallet. In passing, I should point out that in my experience the Indonesians who frequent the up-market spas could buy me and even most other mongerers several times over seeing the cars that they come in and the money that they spend like water. Let me conclude by clarifying that this is not to flame anyone nor is it directed at any ethnic group but an attempt to put the matter in perspective.

Spice Lover,

I am very impressed with this eloquent piece or writing. You must be a diplomat

Dorman all I have to say is no body ever has to fuck you or anyone else. If girls have absolutely NO choice it is called 'slavery'. We mongers have a choice in who we choose to fuck/pay and believe it or not the girls have a choice too. If you didn't like it you should have just left the establishment instead of begrudgingly handing over your money to them. We all have been scammed or learned costly lessons while enjoying our hobby. This is life, deal with it. If you want *****s that always accept people of your color, then go to a region of the world where you are the typical client.

Even in the US, many hot white/asian WG's say they won't fuck black guys. I don't think another 'million man March' against these girls will do a damn thing. People have a choice. The same way you have the choice in choosing only the girls that seem 'attractive' to you, even these girls have a choice, as ludicrous that may seem to you.

Let me put it another way. If you walked into a Bordello, and then the mama walks over to you and slaps the cousin of big foot on your lap, what would you do? Lets say nobody gets to have a 'CHOICE' of who fucks who. Would you nail sasquatch's cousin? I doubt it. So if YOU can have a choice, why the hell can't the girls?

Look the truth is. In this hobby, if you're younger, more attractive, and have a great body you're going to get more looks from hotter girls and better service, period. It is true in our hobby as it is in pretty much anything in life, where how you look and who you are plays a role.

I know you were upset about being denied equal service, but honestly the arrogance in saying " I had more than enough cash to enjoy an evening that some of the local clientèle could only dream of " is a pretty weak comeback. Because regardless of what you do, if you worked in Jakarta and your services were priced for the local market and you were paid in rupia, without the benefit of an exchange rate, I'm pretty sure many here would not be able to go to places such as Malioboro. Context is very important. I used to think I was well off until I partied with some friends of mine that would dump $20, 000 USD CASH on one (1) night out of whoring and drinking.

We are tourists. We are visiting their country, so no matter how much you think the cash in your pocket entitles you to respect, it helps to be humble in another man's house.

[Playboy2001]

Had been to Tropical Spa this evening and thought of filing this FR.

Thanks to the directions found on the FRs on ISG, I could reach straight from TransJKT bus Harmony station and then took a Blue Bird. It took 10 minutes to find the location.

After entering and undergoing the usual Shoe keeping and shorts / locker formalities, straightaway went to 2nd floor to pick up a FL. Number of WGs are very less and now a days they have in introduced a body to body massage therapy (with Oil) and cost is Rp250000 plus tips. Selected a girl Tanya aged 23 from Java who gave a very good body oil massage and BBBJ followed by FJ. Session lasted for 40 minutes and then proceeded to 3rd floor to a different room to get another massage of 2x45 mins. It was a good session followed by a nice HJ. Girls name was Rita, she told she is 29, but I guess she is 35.

She wanted 200K for FJ (though the place is not suitable for FJ), but gave 50K tip for HJ.

Total Damages: 250+50+165+50 = Rp 515 K (for 3X45 min)

Rating: satisfactory and worthy.

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