General Info

[JerryPopper]

Hi guys!

I've got a little bit special question, connected to my special situation.

I'm physically 100% made in Japan, but then, I had to move to another country, and I'm not even Japanese anymore.

So I can speak Japanese as a Japanese, but reading is little bit complicated, and going through Japanese websites for info may be really difficult.

So my questions are: What are the difference between gaijin friendly vs not friendly? Are the not friendly places providing better service / better quality / price?

If so, is the difference enough to struggle in the Japanese websites (or even trying directly on the field), or I should just stay in the English speaking websites?

Thanks for your advice!

Up front I'll tell you I've no 'mongering' experience in Japan, although having visited there a few times I have met and bedded quite a few Japanese women so take or leave what I have to say.

You're physically 100% Japanese and can speak the language. Don't underestimate how much of an advantage that gives you.

Simply being able to communicate gets you considerably further than most gaijin right off the bat.

I have a handful of friends around Japan without whose company there's no way I would have been allowed to enter certain bars or clubs.

In terms of gaijin friendly vs non-gaijin you should check out MinatoKu's excellent post and Homer69's post just down the page.

Being able to read Kanji is probably less important than being able to speak. Google translate can probably handle webpages for you.

And if you are ordering 'take-out' rather than visiting an establishment, your language skill comes in to play.

More important will be a grasp of 'Kata' for mongering situations eg. Proper behaviour and face-saving as Homer69 described.

The other thing worth mentioning is consider where in Japan you will be visiting. Don't expect the same behaviour in say Okinawa (US military base on the doorstep), as perhaps Kyoto, or Saitama or Sapporo. Again, the percentage of gaijin clients will surely influence the attitude and availability of services.

Just my 2 cents for what its worth.

[ProLoman]

Hi guys!

I've got a little bit special question, connected to my special situation.

I'm physically 100% made in Japan, but then, I had to move to another country, and I'm not even Japanese anymore.

So I can speak Japanese as a Japanese, but reading is little bit complicated, and going through Japanese websites for info may be really difficult.

So my questions are: What are the difference between gaijin friendly vs not friendly? Are the not friendly places providing better service / better quality / price?

If so, is the difference enough to struggle in the Japanese websites (or even trying directly on the field), or I should just stay in the English speaking websites?

Thanks for your advice!

[AussieGaigin]

I"am sorry, sir, for not reporting anything concerning actual mongering; may still write even a lame question, please? Thank you, sir...or perhaps there is a law against asking questions on an open forum...is there?...

There is no law against asking questions, but as a matter of courtesy you should contribute something in return.

[HeyyyyyyPaul]

Hey guys,

Loved GP (the Rapponggi one) when I was in tokyo a few years back. Just read that Muratani-san was busted? http://www.tokyoreporter.com/2013/07...-over-dancing/.

So does anyone know if the Rapponggi one is still open? Any equivalents of a club like that?

Thanks

[Samu Ray]

I"am sorry, sir, for not reporting anything concerning actual mongering; may still write even a lame question, please? Thank you, sir...or perhaps there is a law against asking questions on an open forum...is there?...

[AussieGaigin]

I have visited Tokyo few times, due to the language I was not able to screw a japanese girl, I ended up screwing an old chinese girl that said she was japanese! I would like to visit a soapland, does anyone know which soapland has attractive girls, with a nice ass; most japanese women seem to have flat ass. Thanks for any help!

Have you read the Tokyo thread? Lots of info on soapland there.

BTW, you seem to ask a lot of questions here, and post general comments, but not much in the way of actual mongering reports. If you want members to help you, perhaps you could contribute something in return.

[Samu Ray]

I have visited Tokyo few times, due to the language I was not able to screw a japanese girl, I ended up screwing an old chinese girl that said she was japanese! I would like to visit a soapland, does anyone know which soapland has attractive girls, with a nice ass; most japanese women seem to have flat ass. Thanks for any help!

[Stickmanfob]

Need some assistance quickly. Have two colleagues coming in from Korea. I don't have time to play tourist with them because work is slammed. They said they had a buddy come to Tokyo last year and went with like an escort type of gal. I know I could probably arrange something like that with Asian Mystique but honestly they want younger gals. I don't think money is a hurdle. Any help would be incredibly appreciated.

[AussieGaigin]

Hi,

I have been in Japan for 2 months. Touring the whole of Japan. I notice some of the cities at the red light district there are Japanese girls standing around. Are they street walker prostitutes like China? I looked at them but they don't seem to show anything. In China they will wink or smile at you inviting you for paid sex. Just to clear things up they are not those girls standing outside advertising for you to go to their bars. They are alone. And just stand at a corner. How do I approach them. I can't speak Japanese and it will be rude just to say do you offer sex? Any advice people?

Are you sure you they are japanese? You are more likely to find Chinese or korean girls doing this.

If they are interested in doing business with you they will let you know.

You can always start a conversation by asking directions to a well known landmark / hotel / station. Presumably you have a guide book with some basic phrases in it?

[Lion]

I'm a big fan of Japanese porn. The Japanese women, especially the milfs, are hot as hell. Are any of these actresses available as escorts? Is there any website for such things?

Grateful for info.

Not hard to find shops online that advertise AV gals, and no surprise given a huge number of them no doubt make money in the "health / soap" industry, but whether they accept you nor not YMMV.

I imagine if you pay enough they will be happy to service non-Japanese.

I just searched AV deri heru and came up with these:

http://www.gokujou.tv

http://fuzokuav.com/main.html

Be sure to report back any successes or failures.

[Big Ass Eater]

I'm a big fan of Japanese porn. The Japanese women, especially the milfs, are hot as hell. Are any of these actresses available as escorts? Is there any website for such things?

Grateful for info.

[Little Jared]

Hi,
I have been in Japan for 2 months. Touring the whole of Japan. I notice some of the cities at the red light district there are Japanese girls standing around. Are they street walker prostitutes like China? I looked at them but they don't seem to show anything. In China they will wink or smile at you inviting you for paid sex. Just to clear things up they are not those girls standing outside advertising for you to go to their bars. They are alone. And just stand at a corner. How do I approach them. I can't speak Japanese and it will be rude just to say do you offer sex? Any advice people?

Just out of curiosity, which cities? How old were the girls?

If they are just standing there, and if they do not wink or smile at you, your description makes me think of bar girls. If you are certain they are not, and if they are not especially standing in front of some other shop (kyaba, massage shop etc.), then they might just be deriheru girls who agreed to meet their customer outside, or girls who are just waiting for someone.

I rarely see Japanese young (20's-30's) prostitutes who are just standing in the street. Usually they are older, and will come talk to you if you look interested.

[AussieGaigin]

You can't speak Japanese, they probably can't speak English, so conversation will go nowhere. They do not like to be embarrassed, or lose face, so they will ignore you.

If a girl is interested in you, for business or pleasure, she will make it obvious. If they don't respond to you, better just forget about them.

Plenty of past information here and in the Nampa thread to read about this.

[GetsZa]

Hi,

I have been in Japan for 2 months. Touring the whole of Japan. I notice some of the cities at the red light district there are Japanese girls standing around. Are they street walker prostitutes like China? I looked at them but they don't seem to show anything. In China they will wink or smile at you inviting you for paid sex. Just to clear things up they are not those girls standing outside advertising for you to go to their bars. They are alone. And just stand at a corner. How do I approach them. I can't speak Japanese and it will be rude just to say do you offer sex? Any advice people?

[Homer69]

This is a very good assessment of the Japanese Only experience. I might add one topic which I refer to as "saving face" which is an entirely foreign concept to westerners. Saving face means much more than just avoiding embarrassment and uncomfortable situations. Much of it involves what amounts to telling disingenuous lies and showing unnecessary humility from a western perspective in the interest of saving face. An example might be to apologize profusely for bothering a tencho immediately after he turns you down. While this may seem like a disingenuous lie, especially when you're very angry and upset for being turned down, it really is a form of saving face for the tencho who has the job of telling you your business is not wanted. Most westerners find this practice to be bothersome, unnecessary and not in keeping with their moral compass. I believe this is a significant reason why many shops just don't want to deal with us. It is uniquely Japanese for these behavioral norms to be proper. Inside, a Japanese man may be feeling,"What an asshole!" but he would never vocalize or even display body language consistent with this. Westerners often consider this phony and disingenuous and can't bring themselves to understand that this is the way things are. Often, if said foreigner is lubricated on alcohol, this problematic interpretation becomes amplified.

Every sane-minded Japanese knows this instinctively. We foreigners are most often raised seeing through a totally different prism. For instance, we don't think getting in someone's face is so out of line if it is "justified" if we think we may have been disrespected. This "attitude" is what tencho don't want to deal with. Be humble, be modest, be quiet, be sober and most importantly, learn how to behave like a Japanese and things may improve for yourself.

Numerous other posts have talked about the tendency of many Japanese establishments of interest to readers refusing to accept non-Japanese clients or even posting signs that say "Japanese Only". Let me add my 2 cents.

Japan has a long established widely diverse (

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...=1#post1488014

) set of "adult businesses". Except in a few parts of a few major cities non-Japanese customers are a very small part of their potential clientele. So the "up side" of admitting them is small from the management viewpoint.

The downside is considerable:

- It appears that Japanese men often don't want to go to adult businesses that foreigners patronize. Thus "box locations" are more likely to discriminate than "delivery places" where the clientele has no idea about other clients.

- Size, or at least perception of size, does matter and some Japanese women think they don't want to deal with what may be a larger size.

- Many Japanese think foreigners are more likely to carry STDs than Japanese although Japanese appear to use condoms less in nonmonagamous sexual activities.

- Japanese have a bias that non-Japanese could not possibly know they language and therefore when they see your face they immediately conclude communications is impossible. These 4 issues may why Asians / Asian Americans who don't speak Japanese often have fewer problems than "anglos".

- Japanese adult businesses have more complex expectation of their interactions with customers than those in many other countries. These range from taking off shoes to taking baths in the right order. Tenchos may actually fear there will be a misunderstanding of what is expected and a real communications problem with foreign clients. For example asking for FS. Which is illegal although other services aren't. Is a complex matter and it could be really awkward if a foreign customer pushed this issue too far due to language / cultural misunderstandings. The gangster owners really don't want this type of trouble that could attract the wrong attention.

The Pulitzer Prize winning Occupation Era history, Embracing Defeat: Japan in the Wake of World War II, describes how immediately after Japan's surrender in 8/45 the government quickly buildup a new set of brothels for Occupation soldiers to prevent mixing and had it operational before the GIs arrived a few weeks later! Thus keeping such things separate is not new.

I once asked a taxi drive in Yoshiwara for advice. He replied:

- Hail a taxi is an area with a lot of sex businesses and ask if the taxi diver will introduce you to a store. He is likely to have such connections. (Language skill needed)

- Go in an off hour to minimize Japanese customers who might see you or want the same women. He suggested weekday mornings just after opening time or Sundays since that is the only day married Japanese men are expected at home.

- Be very deferential to the tencho and use your most polite Japanese to ask if service might be possible. That will show you know more than phrase book Japanese and have cultural understanding. If he says FS is impossible, immediately agree. It is really between the woman and you anyway.

If you can't speak Japanese, ISG has listed some places that accept foreigners. Korean places (learn kanji for Korea) are usually more flexible and the women may understand English. Asian Mystique has specialized in the foreign trade for many years and generally gets good reviews.

This might be call "discrimination", but it doesn't do any good to raise the issue with these gangster-owner businesses. Save it for an evening with friends outside of Japan over some drinks.