Tokyo

[Traveler X]

PS. A lot more could be said about why the women working at clubs won't service Americans. I'm only going to offer a few suggestions based on my conversations with them:a) They can't communicate with you sufficiently. It's more work for them to get your money. They know they can eat up some people's time by just talking with them, but now they have to put out for you because they can't have convo with you. Japanese customers are easier money at times.b) Because they can't communicate with you well, you two remain strangers and it might be uncomfortable. Girls in clubs Japanese and American don't want to service customers they can't be friendly and smalltalk with. If you can talk with them just a little and show them you're not a psycho, it goes a long way.c) It's a crapshoot for them. They don't know what you look like until they sit down with you. They're already taking that crapshoot with Japanese customers, who they understand and communicate with, they don't want to play a second defensive game with a few Americans.d) If we're talking about soaplands, some Americans have huge cocks, more frequently than Japanese. This is a simple fact demonstrated by the size of condoms in each country. These women want to keep their pussies tight as long as possible, to save them for me. I respect these hard working and prudent businesswomen for that sentiment.Of course, some places will accept gaijin, so we should just go there and make them profitable and expand the market. Let's not blame the Japanese for being afraid of our huge pussy stretching cocks, and focus on helping each other find the places that will let their women service us.Traveler X

[Traveler X]

Hi superstud,I've been rejected from about 40 clubs in my Japan experience, and got in to a few. I'm Asian American but I don't think it made much difference (for getting rejected). No one would doubt I was Japanese if I could speak it with no accent, but it's clear that I'm not when I open my mouth. I speak some Japanese and know several Japanese friends, and my insight is that clubs don't let gaijin in for many reasons. But first, here are some situations where clubs do let gaijin in, even if they normally don't:1) Business is low, and some girls in the club will service gaijin. (only applies to some clubs)2) You are dressed decently and speak some Japanese. You look like you won't cause trouble, and that you can follow simple rules. (only applies to some clubs)Now as for the reasons why they reject gaijin, many of them make sense in that a small minority of gaijin completely ruined it for the rest of us. Keep in mind the average Japanese hasn't seen enough gaijin to recognize which ones are the troublemakers. If I ran a club, I'd instantly know which gaijin to let in and which ones are going to ruin my club. Now here are the reasons I've noticed:1) Some gaijin can't understand or follow important rules. For example, how the drink system works at a hostess bar, or how not to break simple rules which are clearly displayed in English. I can't see most Americans breaking these rules, but I know a few Americans who would and would start a fight in a club. Suppose we're talking about rules at a strip club on where you can touch the girl or what you can do with her. Now at an American club, they have a bouncer that just warns the girl, cuz we all know the girls are supposed to break the rules. At a Japanese club, the rules are precisely the rules.2) Some gaijin are noisy and bothersome, by Japanese standards. I found myself in subways rummaging through my backpack and then quieting myself when I realized I was noisier than everyone else combined. =)3) Other Japanese don't want to frequent a club where they get sloppy seconds from Americans. I could care less if I were Japanese, but I know many Americans wouldn't choose a club if most of the clientele were Japanese enjoying 'their' women. As a business owner of a club, you have to keep in mind that some of your customers are going to be racists. =P If American businesses were allowed to be racist (whether legal or through lack of enforcement), you bet they'd start turning back the clocks in an instant. I've noticedd that race or gender does matter when people look for a roommate for an apartment. And those roommate-finders have the same legal standing to discriminate in the US as a Japanese bar does in Japan (both illegal, but almost never enforced).4) The girls won't service Americans, out of personal misconceptions, preferences, or fears. As an Asian American, I can say this is no different than the United States, some caucasian women like asians, some don't at all. Of course, I'm happy to service any woman provided she is up to par, but many Americans and Japanese have strongly programmed prejudices when it comes to servicing each other.5) There is some concern of diseases, but this is more an afterthought in light of the reasons above.I doubt WW2 is any significant factor, because most people in their 20's don't even know who WW2 was fought with or who won. This is a fact, as demonstrated by one study that found most Japanese youths did not know who won WW2. It's evident in the fact that many textbooks mention WW2 in a few sentences. And moreover, more Japanese than not have a positive impression of Americans in general. That still doesn't mean they want their women to service us.Almost all the clubs I was rejected from would not have allowed Europeans either, especially if they couldn't speak Japanese or English. I've seen and met an inordinate number of Americans with Japanese wives in Japan, both white and black, so I don't know what part of Japan you were walking around.If you have a scheme that will work without embarrassing you or the rest of us, that's great. Or maybe you could have a Japanese friend bring you in. Or you could find a club that will let you in anyways, and go in. Do you speak any Chinese or Korean? If so, you can get into those clubs and get serviced by those girls much easier.I'll be in Japan in a few weeks, so I'm going to try again now that my Japanese is better and I have an idea of what clubs to look for.

[Dog Jamm]

Superstud,Lots of non-asians like to think it's because they are 'too big'. This could be true but thats not why they don't want to serve foreigners. I believe it's mainly racial. Anyone non Japanese would have trouble getting served. Of course some accept asians and not non-whites (in Korea for example) but Japan is generally very not foreigner friendly. Maybe it's because most shops have no trouble getting customers. I bet Japanese men spend the most or close to the most money on sex in the entire world. On another note, I tried out a chinese este in Otsuka, called 'Love Game'. Girl had a cute face and average body. Got a real nice shower, massage, bbbj and fs. Price was 9k. Not a bad deal. I asked if they would accept foreigners and they said no problem, just no Chinese because the girls are chinese and they'd rather not meet people from their own country. Also I think it could matter, for example if there were Japanese guys in the waiting room and if a white guy came in that might scare them a bit. At that point they might reject you. Just a thought.url is http://www.a-side.com/lovegame/Not bad for 9k, if you are interested in chinese estes. Note that the photos are brushed up quite a bit.

[Super6stud9]

GAIGIN ENTRANCE.I have some questions for the gaigin experts.What is the main reason why you are not allowed into the clubs??I am talking about the Clubs that have the 19yo's like this club here http://www.fuzoku-townpage.com/d/m-heaven/20031127230208.htm#Is it because the girls think you are big?Is it because you are another race? Do they stop White/Black only/ Is this only against Americans(because of WWii and the nuke thing, or Is it also against Europeans?(I've seen many French with Japanese girlfriends/wives)What about other Asians??Is it because Japanese think you are full of diseases?I have a scheme to try to get into the clubs. I won't reveal it here til I try it. I've been told I look Japanase(I am not), not by a stretch of a imagination.Begging for pussy is not my style, I've to Asia before, but The more I look at the Fuzoku page the more I want to go to Japan now. Those girls look like they must have the tighest holes on earth, Am I correct??Are there any escort websites where you can order Japanese girls to come to your hotel? Can you post??PM's if you don't feel like answering in the forum.I will share info on other locations(many) if you ask.Sayonara!

[Shomohin]

Gents,Had a nice time at Trinity, a Korean este in Otsuka last evening. http://www.paradise-bb.com/trinity/index2.html. 16,000 for 80 minutes, including table shower, hot towels, full body massage, ass-rimming, BBBJ and sumatra to climax. My partner was Nana, who just arrived from Seoul a month ago. I enjoy chatting with the girls but Nana's Japanese was pretty limited and English nonexistent, and she has a heavy accent, so it was hard to get much going in the way of non-physical communication. But she had a nice friendly attitude, and even gave me a manicure and pedicure, plus deep facial massage toward the end of the session.About a three minute walk from the North exit of Otsuka Station, on the third floor above a Matsuya. Basic Japanese ability required to negotiate with the guy at the front desk. One hour course also available for 12,000 yen.Sho

[Dog Jamm]

Homer,There are lots of este and other shops in Nishi Kawaguchi. I belive it's all on the west side of the station, just take the west exit and wander around, you'll see several shops. Or check out that sox nine post from last week, theres a decent map on it. As far as knowing Japanese goes, I'm not sure since I spoke Japanese but that did not seem to be an issue. He was very eager to get my money. I suppose if you were able to communicate that you wanted to see the girl first, it may be possible, but I think they were just showing photos -- the girl I got was not nearly as cute as the girls in the photos.Next time I'll ask to see her first.

[Homer69]

Viagrant:Check out: http://map.yahoo.co.jp/pl?nl=36.4.30.614&el=140.11.55.035&la=1&sc=4&CE.x=252&CE.y=247The crosshairs should be in the vicinity of PrinPrin if I read their map correctly. The top of the map appears to be North-North-West in orientation.

[Sailing]

Hi,The train line runs in a north easterly direction going away from Tokyo, so for all intents and purposes the train is going north. So if you get off the train coming from Tokyo, face the direction the train is traveling and head towards your left. Of course, do the opposite if coming from Mito on the Joban line.With the rest of the information provided I hope we have cleared this up sufficiently.Have fun.

[Flashman]

That is a JR station on the right side of the map. Don't know if up is North.

[Shomohin]

Viagrant,Not sure which end is north, but that's the station on the right, as you supposed. And the line at the bottom is the river. Hopefully that will be enough to get you oriented. Good luck!Sho

[Viagrant]

Japan,Thank you for the information on the Prin Prin Soapland in Tsuchiura! The prices sound great (half the price of Tokyo soaps). The girls look slightly less pretty than those in Tokyo, but still decent. Any idea if there is an extra fee for picking a girl by name (or from picture)?Also, to anyone who can read Japanese, on that web site ( http://www.prin2.com ) there is a map, but can someone confirm that the top of that map is North and that the dashed section on the right edge is the train station?Thanks,V.

[Homer69]

DogJamm:Sorry about Nishi-Kawaguchi. Is it possible or practical to see the girl first? That's the problem with touts out on the street. They'll tell you anything to get you in the place and the best I've been able to do was see a picture of questionable accuracy. Ugly does not necessarily mean bad, especially when you mention that she's nice enough. Missing the tooth is a little scary but one of my best experiences was with this rather overweight, ugly girl who was dynamite with her technique and function. One of my least pleasurable experiences was with this beautiful girl who somewhat looked like Norika Fujiwara in terms of sexiness and beauty and she had an absolute perfectly sculpted body to boot. She was a disappointment in the sack. That's what so memorable about her. A good friend of mine mentioned the same thing in his experience with her. Perfect body, beautiful face and figure but terrible in the sack. It's as if all the parts didn't fit together correctly or something. I can't explain it any other way.I plan to make it up there one of these days when I recharge my wallet a bit. Can you give some basics about the area, the layout, proximity to the station, etc.? Also, if you're gaijin, the language requirements and gaijin-friendliness of any places you go to.

[Dog Jamm]

Failed experience at Nishi-Kawaguchi. I went up there to check out the place. Was looking for that sox nine place, but I got an offer for FS for 10,000 yen from a tout in front of his shop. I'm not sure what kind of place it was, definitely not a soapland, kind of just a massage place fronting for a brothel. There was no massage, just fs. Unfortunately, I think some places save the ugliest girl for the foreigners. This girl was nice enough, but was missing 1 front tooth and was skinny like a crack *****. I went through with it and chalked it down as a learning experience.Anyway watch out for promises for FS at that price. Insist on seeing the girl first. I'll check out the soaplands there next time, and I'll make sureI don't get side tracked!

[Netter]

Party in Tokyo?I'll be coming to Tokyo next week. Some time ago there were several posts about parties. This sounded like something I would like to try. Does anybody know about any good parties in the period March 23-29 or would somebody we willing to take me along to one?Also, I want to thank all you guys for all the good information you have posted here. I promise to post my experiences like I did last year in the Osaka forum. I intend to try mainly nampa though.Best wishes, Uwe

[Fishmonger]

Japan - glad you had a nice time at the Tsuchiura soap. The few times I have gone to soaps there I always thought the service and price were good, but I just wasn't happy with the girls I got. Sounds like you found a good one though. Maybe I'lll check out "prin-prin" sometime soon ;-)