Tokyo

[Lost For Words]

When setting up dates with these amateur types, I know that there is certain vocabulary you are supposed to use to say how long, how much, and whether or not you will pay for the hotel.

It is something like: San mai, Ni jikan, Hoteru betsu to say that you will give 30000 for 2 hours and then you will pay for the hotel.

But the words are special slang words that you would not know unless you were wise to the scene.

What is it exactly?

What I've used at least, is close to that although I never specified the time (length) and never had an issue. I would just say something like:

2 man (the normal kanji). Or you can use the kanji for the guy who is on the 10000 yen bill (Yukichi Fukuzawa) , so like "Yukichi 2 mai" == to indicate the price.

Ho (in katakana) betsu (in kanji) == to indicate that you will pay for the hotel.

Gomu (in katakana) tsuki (in kanji) == to indicate that you're willing to use a condom.

The other key word to use is "Jou-ken" to indicate the "terms". So you can ask the girl what her "Jou-ken" is and she'll write back something like above. Or you can say that those are your "Jou-ken" and ask her what she thinks.

Sticking to this vocabulary and keeping it short and sweet has always worked for me.

[ILikeCandy69]

Or, the reason could be that they really do care about the safety / comfort of their guests, and for whatever reason don't feel that they are able to communicate to a customer without using Japanese. Who knows for sure? You'll notice, however, that the problem only manifested when you went to speak to the staff in English, and their card apparently said that they require their guests to speak Japanese, not be Japanese.

And the Oushitsu soapland considers itself "high class". Like more traditional soaps, it only has two hour service courses. Even if it welcomes non-Japanese, which it definitely does, not all of their providers are willing to service non-Japanese customers. You might want to consider that when you called back, the provider (s) willing to service you were no longer available. You also may find that if the same attitude that projects through your post here was also picked up by the guy on the phone, he may have just not wanted to deal with you anymore. Anyway, just food for thought, and I hope that you have no more problems.

Thank you.

On a side note, at least someone can read and write English. The others were completely off base.

[ILikeCandy69]

I could not understand why they would reject me now. I asked him several times if I could stay. I pointed to the room I wanted on the switchboard. I repeated the Japanese word for please.

You made a scene (at least from the Japanese perspective). You very likely could have scared customers away.

There was probably another foreigner previous to you that didn't know the process and / or made a scene, and that's why they made the sign.

Whoah! Easy Tex. You're getting ahead of yourself. You did not understand the sequence of events. I asked the first lady if she spoke English. She left, another man arrived. I asked him, he showed me the sign. THEN I PLEADED with the man, to let me stay. I did not Jump Up and Down and Throw My Hands in the Air, and I did not get angry. I thought he did not understand me, so I pointed to the room, on the switchboard, that I wanted to reserve.

I totally agree with your second point, someone probably went before me, and ruined it for the rest of us.

He probably recognized your phone number and thought you were a troublemaker.

Whoah, Whoah, WHOAH there! Tex. Let's not shoot first and ask questions later, CowBoy.

The facts: He recognized my number? How? I was in front of his nose. I did not call him.

That's not the case at all. I've contacted Oushitsu via email in polite but crappy Japanese and asked if one of their super-hot girls (Ren) was available to meet with Americans, and their response was basically "sure! When can you meet with her, tomorrow?".

You lost me, even more now. I reserved a girl through OuShitSu. Like I said, the operator spoke English. Translation: they handle foreigners. The girl did not speak English but was willing to communicate through a SmartPhone App. Translation: She can handle foreigners.

Refusing to serve foreigners has much more to do with language and cultural differences than fear of disease or anything else. There's some places that are patient and willing to deal with foreigners and their crappy / lack of Japanese. There's others that aren't, or it also depends on certain times / women.

See, you are right, Japan refuses foreigners, not because of health or safety. This is the subject of my entire post. I am very glad, that out of everything I wrote, you at least understood that. Thank you.

[ILikeCandy69]

Might be that they are racist or might be they just not wish to conduct business with possible trouble makers. Reading through your post I would be willing to bet this time it was the latter.

The thing I have never been able to understand is why people would like to give their money to businesses that do not want them to? For every shop that refuses you without a good reason there is another one that welcomes you and your money.

So why not just move on?

You loose your bet. Now pay up. LOL.

Your second point is very good.

Now as for that hotel, that hotel had a very special feature that I do not know of any other hotel in Tokyo to have. The room had a pool. I am from a desert, so a pool. Is a very welcomed amenity.

[ILikeCandy69]

To change, on your own, a millenary traditional country? Can't understand people who go abroad and want to enforce their own culture, traditions. Everyone (but you, it seems.) knows that in Japan, the last thing to do is to get angry at anyone in public. Which is exactly what you did, more than once, it seems. The whole tone of your postss point toa, sadly, largely frequent attitude by some arrogant westerners when they go to Japan.

The point is not to judge whether any given behavior is correct or not, it is to respect any behavior which is the rule in the country in which you are. And if you don't like it, just don't go there. I personally enjoy the hospitality, politness, hassle-free people of Japan. Perhaps because they do not perceive me as an arrogant Westerner, who shouts as soon as something does not go the way he wants. And because I made the effort to learn a few bits of their language.

Just as an aside: if you stay in an hotel with no English language system, what would you do in case of an earthquake in the middle of the night, and you get the annoucmeent in japanese through the internal system? Just an example that the "for your own security" argument, may not be so stupid.

Best for you (and us.) would be not to stay long in Japan, and never come back.

Is English your first language?

Yes I do not like Ethnocentric people as well.

Yes I do not like people who go abroad, as guests, and try to change their hosts. That is very bad manners, I think.

Was I angry?

I was not. I am not.

In case of an earthquake. First off, I live in earthquake country."I fear no evil."

I think you need to calm down. I think you need to read what is written and not add your own meaning.

[JohnnyGolfr]

Uhhh. I tried. Option wasn't available! LOL.

Why don't you PM him?

[AussieGaigin]

PM me with info, please!

Why don't you PM him?

[Dreams]

Apparently, this policy of "Japanese Only" is not as backed-up or as written in stone as we thought.

I went to the SK Plaza hotel in Shibuya. Since the room reservation computer was not working, probably because a couple was using the one next to me and this might lock the system, I had to go to the front desk. I asked the lady at the front desk if she spoke English. She bashfully disappeared to the back office and out came a man. The man handed me a sign that said something along the lines of, 'Since we cannot guarantee the safety of non-Japanese speaking people, Japanese-Only. '

I was shocked! I stayed at this very hotel once before. I even made my reservation with the front desk staff. I could not understand why they would reject me now. I could not understand if Japanese considered Gaijin to be, AIDS carrying Green Monkeys, how there would be any danger of that in a hotel. Was I going to infect the pillowcases? I asked him several times if I could stay. I pointed to the room I wanted on the switchboard. I repeated the Japanese word for please.

So, instead of leaving out right, I returned to the computer. I chose a room, and this time out popped a plastic room key. I thought that since it was almost 17:00 his shift was about to end. So I would return later and if the room I just reserved was not available, then I knew I would have a room, and that I would have to pay a lot for that reservation. If the room was available, then I was free to choose another room. So I did.

I came back several hours later and the room was available. So I knew my reservation had rolled off, since I did not actually check-in to the room. I chose another room and this time went straight to the room.

Unfortunately, nearly everything in my room was broken. So I had to make a couple of trips to the front desk to have things replaced. Thereby showing that there was a Green Monkey loose in the hotel. The new front-desk man did not seem to be afraid. I could still see the card that said Japanese Only on the desk. But I made it through the night.

Another time I called oushitu Soap for a reservation. I called, a man answered, I asked if he spoke English, he said no, regardless we proceeded to make a reservation. The only problem was that I had to make a two-hour reservation. I only had time for a one-hour reservation. He would not budge. So I hung up.

Later my schedule cleared. I called back ready to make a two-hour reservation. Suddenly he not only did not speak English, but also refused to make a reservation. Japanese Only. I was shocked! A half hour ago, I was acceptable. Now I was off limits.

These sudden and convenient changes in attitude the Japanese have towards foreigners implies that we are not the AIDS carrying Green Monkeys ready to infect their Asian Aryan women, as we are led to believe. That the Japanese simply have a racist culture or tradition of refusing service to Gaijin, 'With or without reason. With or without notice. '

Of course, this shocks capitalistic pigs. How can someone refuse to accept such a large quantity of money? Let alone to refuse the money for no real reason.

To change, on your own, a millenary traditional country? Can't understand people who go abroad and want to enforce their own culture, traditions. Everyone (but you, it seems.) knows that in Japan, the last thing to do is to get angry at anyone in public. Which is exactly what you did, more than once, it seems. The whole tone of your postss point toa, sadly, largely frequent attitude by some arrogant westerners when they go to Japan.

The point is not to judge whether any given behavior is correct or not, it is to respect any behavior which is the rule in the country in which you are. And if you don't like it, just don't go there. I personally enjoy the hospitality, politness, hassle-free people of Japan. Perhaps because they do not perceive me as an arrogant Westerner, who shouts as soon as something does not go the way he wants. And because I made the effort to learn a few bits of their language.

Just as an aside: if you stay in an hotel with no English language system, what would you do in case of an earthquake in the middle of the night, and you get the annoucmeent in japanese through the internal system? Just an example that the "for your own security" argument, may not be so stupid.

Best for you (and us.) would be not to stay long in Japan, and never come back.

[JohnnyGolfr]

PM me with info, please!

Hi all,

I met a black girl 'freelancer' who was really hot and sophisticated. Great service! If anyone is interested I can give you details.

[Gaienmae08]

I have a morning liaison in Otsuka tomorrow, but I am not familiar with that town. Could someone please be kind enough to let me know which area the LH are clustered in, and if any in particular are worthy of a visit?

It might turn into an all day session, so I am keen to avoid a dump.

You mean Ostuka on the Yamanote Line?

Here's a list: http://fu.jo-ho.jp/index.php?p=hotel_list&s=91

I can't recommend anything personally (apart from my ex-GF's skanky apartment if she still lives there haha) but "H-SEVEN OHTSUKA" looks nice from the pictures and I think I've seen from the train that it was boasting of being newly renovated (this will have been a couple of years back however).

[LoveShibuyaGirls]

Dear ZCorps.

You might be able to answer this question.

When setting up dates with these amateur types, I know that there is certain vocabulary you are supposed to use to say how long, how much, and whether or not you will pay for the hotel.

It is something like: San mai, Ni jikan, Hoteru betsu to say that you will give 30000 for 2 hours and then you will pay for the hotel.

But the words are special slang words that you would not know unless you were wise to the scene.

What is it exactly?

So Recently I've really been into using waku waku mail or happymail recently. Established stores are much more reliable in terms of service, but I really like these "amateur" girls. Some of there are amazing experiences, many of them are horrible.

Anyways, I was wondering if anyone knew any spots to find young "amateur" (ie. Girls not associated with a store) on the street.

Street walker type girls. Preferably Japanese.

Osaka has the Izumo no Hiroba, but what about in Tokyo?

[LoveShibuyaGirls]

All.

A while ago I posted asking if AV star Nanako Haruno does escorting work.

She also goes by the names Nene Iino and Mayu Fujishiro.

A few people responded, but I can't seem to find the posts.

So I'm sorry for having to ask again, but if you have any information on whether or she does escorting work, would you please post here?

I thought someone said she works at an agency in Nagano?

[OldGeezer]

That the Japanese simply have a racist culture or tradition of refusing service to Gaijin

Might be that they are racist or might be they just not wish to conduct business with possible trouble makers. Reading through your post I would be willing to bet this time it was the latter.

The thing I have never been able to understand is why people would like to give their money to businesses that do not want them to? For every shop that refuses you without a good reason there is another one that welcomes you and your money.

So why not just move on?

[OsakaJoe]

Hidden away in Meguro is a gem of a R&T, called Oedo Goten, above a florist 3 minutes walk from the station (see the link for a map). The theme of this massage / este shop is old Japan and each of the rooms has Japanese bric a brac to give it an old world flavour. All the girls are Japanese, rangeing in age from early 20s through to 30s. Now the good news is that they all wear yukata, some have panties on underneath while others are naked. You need to be able to speak Japanese to make a reservation otherwise it will be very difficult. Officially what is on offer is a massage and happy ending. Unofficially some of the girls will give you more, particularly after you visit them more than once. Here is the link to the website, http://www.oedo-goten.com If you click on the button staffu niki you can see which girls are working. A lot of the girls have day jobs and begin work at Oedo around 6-7 pm sometimes later. There are also a couple of early birds who check in around 4-5pm. I have left Japan and now feel it is time to share this great place.

There is always an element of hit and miss in these shops but every now an again you find a great girl, defined as good body, great massage who really enjoys getting stuck in. Amongst the many gems I have met at Oedo are Aoi chan who gives a great blow job and massage, while Kai chan likes to have her pussy licked, gives a decent massage and after a few sessions goes the whole way.

[Backtobasics]

I have a morning liaison in Otsuka tomorrow, but I am not familiar with that town. Could someone please be kind enough to let me know which area the LH are clustered in, and if any in particular are worthy of a visit?

It might turn into an all day session, so I am keen to avoid a dump.