Tokyo

[Lustforthrust]

In the late 80s when the Nikkei was hitting high 30ks, the money spent on entertainment in Tokyo was higher than the CIA's annual budget of $30B, this was at the height of the Cold War, no less.

[Denis]

Guys,Thank you for the very good information about the scene around Ginza.As I am spending only 2 nights in Tokyo and from there I go to Shanghai and after Bangkok, I am probably going to save my Yens and go crazy in China and Thailand.Anyway thanks again.Note: I may try the recommendation of Homer69 (If I find the place!)Denis

[Homer69]

I just wanted to add my two cents to this thread. I've been living in and visiting Japan for almost 20 years now and I've been to my share of hostess clubs (never on my invitation) and I marvel at the amount of money that is spent in order to have attractive girls light your cigarettes and pour your drinks, sing karaoke with you and provide flattering conversation. The majority (if not all) of this activity is funded by company expense accounts as far as I can tell. Certainly, during the bubble years this sort of expenditure was rampant but I've noticed post-bubble that many of those building occupant signs in the Ginza and Akasaka are now blank. I'm not sure what's happened to all of the mamasans who used to run these places but it certainly was fine times for them when the yen was flowing freely.I don't really enjoy this activity very much and find it a burden when asked to participate. I don't think it's the language barrier, either. Some of my Japanese friends and colleagues acknowledge that the whole system sucks and is a huge burden for them, too, yet they are obligated to participate. Perhaps it's my western feminism influenced political correctness or something like that. The girls at these places are very classy and most of them fairly attractive so it's not an entirely negative experience.The point is, there are other fun ways to spend an evening, often just at a bar or beer place shooting the shit and getting blitzed.

[Asia Nut]

Spent a lot of money on hostesses dating back to the days of 360 Yen/Dollar in the late sixties and early seventies and had a lot fun, although have not done that, except on very rare occasions in my later years. Bottom line, I'm horny, the big decision, do I go out and spend the big bucks (could be upwards of $1000 US) at a hostess bar for what will be probably conversation only, take a girl out for the wine and dine and hope I score, or follow the directions the folks on the forum post and spend my 10-25,000 for a sure thing. The first two can be a lot of fun, but when I need a sure thing, I go for the sure thing. Happy HuntingAsia Nut

[Rene02]

Agreed ! A hostess remains a hostess and we should always remember they are cash-oriented, even for nampa who are very kind. But anyway to have a Japanese g-friend to whom you buy LV bags, Prada shoes, etc... for good sex and nice chat at the restaurant is some kind of payoff for me. Depends on what you are looking for and your taste.In Ginza club, yes many companies have member cards, and executive expense the clubs, that's why many are generous. As Ginza clubs have good standing with classy and selective hostesses, majors corporations, banks, etc... allors their managers to treat clients there. Each time I visit Japan my buz partners and even my relatives take me to club and they expense everything. That's something I miss here in Europe...

[Soujourn]

Sidenote to this: A good friend of mine picked up a 'Ginza girl' went out and had a few drinks. She gave him her number and he called her again. She asked if he wanted to do something and he offered dinner. She accepted and they agreed place and time. She showed up unexpectedly with 2 more girls.As the dinner was ending she excused herself to answer a phone call. She didn't return to 'see' the bill paying - and put him in a very awkward position of having to deal with the bill for her AND her friends. Remember he only invited HER! As he was paying the bill , the friends exited the restaraunt. He followed quickly and cornered all 3 of them. He admonished the girl he invited and demanded her friends pay their part of the bill.He had never met this girl at a club. She was simply 'nampa' in the Ginza area shopping alone.The moral: A hostess is always a hostess and is after only one thing - your money! The return on your investment? Usually nothing.

[Soujourn]

Hello! I've been to quite a few hostess clubs throughout Japan. Typically:1) Japanese hostess clubs are used to impress/conduct business. If you are guest of Japanese company, especially trading company, they will likely invite you to this kind of club to 'seal a deal' or woo you further. You don't have to pay if you are invited. If YOU do the inviting, then expect to carry full charges. Usual charges start at 10,000y/hr/person then go up from there.2) Some hostess clubs specialise in more social atmosphere as providing on-site companionship for drinking and karaoke. These are a little different than the general 'hostess bar'. Here is where the bulk of Japanese men spend their time and money. It is usually acceptable for the hostess to consort with the man as it it 'firms' the relationship and keeps him coming to the club where he continues to pay outrageous amounts of money for the companionship. It is an unwritten rule that if he get's to take her shopping and dinner, then he will visit the club. Occassionally there are services rendered beyond companionship (read sex) but it comes at a very heavy cost.3) There are numerous non-japanese clubs that provide a sort of mix of (1) and (2) usually staffed by Filipina or in some cases Chinese women. These are lower cost than the pure Japanese clubs. Usually starting at 5000y/hr/person. After a couple visits to the same clubs expect the staff to call you and invite you back. You might get consort activity with them with the same understanding that you will visit the club on regular basis.4) In ALL cases the women's drinks do not come cheap! Usually between 1500y - 3000y for each drink! And those girls can drink! Also, if you add other activity like karaoke to the service it adds more to the bill. And usually there is a general overall service charge of roughly 20% added to cover things like oshibori (hot towels, snacks, etc). So bare mimimum to get out of a club for 2hours your bill would look something like this: a) Entrance charge 5000y X 2 = 10,000y (includes 2 drinks) b) Ladies drink 2000y X 4 = 8,000y c) Service fee 3500y Total = 21,000Y and you still are a LONG way away from any pussy!5) If you stay in Japan long enough you might get to be buddies with a tout, manager or hawk. In this case you might get free entrance to the smaller clubs and just end up buying ladies drinks. Being a foreigner, but living in Japan, you might get better chance to nampa the girls or negotiate P4P. Especially now that the clubs are suffering compared to the bubble times.The bottom line:1) If you can't speak japanese then don't bother to go to hostess club unless you are invited by your client and it's absolutely necessary. Then if you feel in a very powerful business position tell the person who invited you that you wish company for the evening. They will generally arrange delivery service for you. Though may not be from that club.2) If you have friends that know hostess club staff, then you might have a small chance in some of the 'off ginza' clubs. Especially in the Akasuka or Roppongi area.3) The strip clubs and other clubs you will get touted by in Roppongi are NOT hostess clubs, however have much the same entrance/lady drink system. Your chances may be slightly higher because you can interact with english speaking women who largely dislike the Japanese clients they must serve.4) Given the base cost of any of this, the wise mongerer will do the following: a) Go to Heartland, 911, Motown, etc and enjoy conversing with any of the <free> talent. No luck for nampa? Don't worry - go to step b. b) Stumble back to your hotel and order up a 'delivery health' provider for around 20k. It's less now - especially after midnite, because their business is slacking. Or. c) Hit one of the available Pink Salon which are usually open until midnite. d) Or do the PS first, THEN go clubbing! You won't be soo obviously horndogged and probably have better luck at nampa! e) Find and meet a 'local' Japanese or foreign guy that can show you the best places to hang. Usually this means a previous business associate or someone you meet in a club or bar.5) My personal observation/experience after living in Japan more than 4years: "The best weekend you can have in Tokyo is a week in China" Do your business as required then hop over to Shanghai or Beijing. For a fraction of the cost and much better service you will have the best time of your trip! Do the math: a) RT Ticket to BJ or SH = 50,000 b) 2nites in 5 star hotel = 20,000 c) 8 -10 beauty with you all nite = 10,000/night d) All the food/drink you can manage = 10,000/day Just staying in a hotel in SH is half the cost of hotel in Tokyo!

[Endowed]

My experience with Ginza is kind of indirect. The very first time I was in Japan I stayed at Yaesu Fujya Hotel near Tokyo Sta /Ginza. The hotel lobby information desk girl said that there were 2 clubs that were trendy and frequented by Japanese girls in Ginza. I don't recall the names of the clubs but I did try to look for them for about 2 hours with no success. Probably a good place for nampa as in general the women walking around Ginza are hot.Then in May I met a Japanese guy who said the best club to meet J girls was located in Ginza. He wanted to take me there, no time that trip but I am going to email and see if he still is feeling generous. I will post if I find out anything.I picked up an older lady at Heartland one night who turned out to be a hostess at an exclusive Ginza hostess club. She mentioned that many of the major corporations had memberships here and older men frequented the place. She did say it was very expensive and warned me not to go there.En

[Mikie Nes]

Gentlemen, here's the deal:After three years in Tokyo, frustrated by relatively skankish street hos and crappy massage parlors, I have practiced my Nihongo like a good student and scoured the Internet for "deriherus". What I have found, gentlemen, is a veritable goldmine of stunningly beautiful ladies of the evening.Do a websearch on "deriheru" and start calling the numbers asking if they accept foreigners (in Nihongo, of course; this does require SOME effort!). Eight out of ten will say "no deal hoss" and ring off. The other two are "a-okay". On the websites you can check out the pictures and choose. I was dubious and figured the girls couldn't possibly be that hot, but guess what boys and girls -- they is indeedy! You have to rent a room at the love hotel first and call from there. In 15 to 20 minutes >ping pong!< a young goddess will appear at your door.I was stunned, to be frank. The girl that showed up for me was a tiny Korean who could easily be a model and had the most perfect body and breathtakingly gorgeous eyes I've ever looked into while jamming my hog into her (gently of course!)There were no illusions that this was anything except strictly a business transaction; nor was I able to forget it for an instant, but if you want to live out your fantasy of boning a model-gorgeous teenage hottie, it's the way to go. Young Mone (and she looked the shy side of 18 if a day) was quite skillful, if a tad mechanical. She was SO pretty I was quite intimidated, but she quickly took matters in hand (and mouth and delicious little ****).I found success in Uguisudani. Koreans seem less particular (ie racist) about servicing westerners. What blew my mind was, at the end, I was given a "frequent flyers (fuckers?!?)" card. Just like pizza, buy ten, last fuck free!Unbelievable.Now friends, get the hence and copulate.

[Rene02]

Reggarding Ginza club, and based on my own experience, I agree to say that most of them are ripp off as you would get anywhere else in the world in the most expensive area of town. The clubs are very much like cabarets in Paris or SoHo, meaning that once you are in, they charge as much as you can pay, without providing anything. However Ginza is very different. Having been to many cabaret in Europe (I always asked the menu and the price, not to end with a $1000 btl of champagne) the ones in Ginza are much more clean, less sex-oriented, and provided smart and beautiful women. I have been there last time in April with a Japanese business man who works in Ginza and who know the hostesses and clubs there. Some do speak English, but I prefered to stick to Japanese since it is more kawai for a gaijin like me. I do not know the total cost since the guy paid, but I think I saw something close to 30k per persone for an hour to chat. So, for a gaijin staying a few days in Tokyo I would not recommend such a club, since you will get nothing else that chatting, and for a high fee.

[Homer69]

I had some time off at lunch the other day so I took a ride up to Sugamo to try out a pink salon. I spoke with the various touts and settled on a place called JanJan, downstairs on the right side of the street about midway down from the station (exit left from the station). Y3000 for 30 minutes. I was in a hurry, being it my lunch time so I just stayed for one pop. The girl offered BBBJ and her breath had the strong smell of some sort of antiseptic but I requested a condom, just the same. The place was empty as far as I could tell and the music was not so loud as I expected but the privacy was pretty good and the lighting was not too dark. She told me no touching below the waist which was a disappointment but her BJ skills were extremely good and I popped after about 15 minutes of her enthusiastic sucking. She was actually quite young and cute and had a nice set on top so it was overall pretty nice. Anyway, I told her I had to get back to work and she understood and I was on my way.Overall, a very enjoyable, quick release and the price cannot be beat.

[Homer69]

Heeding Max220's advice, I decided to try the NYNY soapland in Ueno.First, let me say that the RLD in Ueno is loaded with touts and cute Chinese ladies offering almost anything. For me, Ueno matches the Ameyoko mentality and everything there appears to be some of the lowest priced gaijin-friendly mongering (relatively speaking) available in the Tokyo area.I found NYNY quite easily by spotting the Statue of Liberty in the front facade. Right outside of NYNY I was approached by two different touts who were offering FS (NYNY does not) and warned that NYNY is staffed by older (30's 40's and even 50's) providers. I was very tempted at this point, extremely tempted but I decided to stick to my game plan.I figured the worst that could happen was I could fantasize about being back in college and getting seduced by my friend's mother or something like that.Anyway, the thought of an older provider doesn't really bother me so I decided to try the place out.So, you go into this very clean and friendly lobby, I mentioned that my Japanese was limited, they balked at first but then relented and I paid my Y9200 (Y4200 for the bath fee and Y5000 for the lady, apparently). I'm guessing the doubt at first is an act since my lady told me that gaijin are not a problem.They directed me to a small waiting room (why waste space in expensive Tokyo, anyway?) where a 50-something Japanese salaryman was waiting very shyly with his head bowed low. Here I was acting like I was waiting in line at McDonalds and this guy wanted to be as inconspicuous as possible. Within a few minutes I was informed that my lady was ready and I was directed up the stairs to a rather large room with a bed and nice bath area.My lady was nothing special to look at but she made up for it with her friendliness and desire to please. She must have been 40-something (I'm guessing, certainly not in her 50's as the tout had warned) and I didn't have the heart to ask her age. She looked like a typical slightly out-of-shape middle-aged mom, to tell you the truth.She proceed to wash me thoroughly and I did the usual dunks in the bath, brushed my teeth and rinsed my mouth with the usual mouthwash and we proceeded to the bed for the service. She gave a superb BBBJ, moved to the 68.5 position where she allowed me to finger her to my heart's content. Her whole body licking and teasing was also very good. I guess this is what some here refer to as part of a GFE.Her pussy had a very nice feminine smell (I didn't do any DATY since I don't do this with any pros) which really surprised me since most pros usually have none to speak of or worse yet, smell very bad. Her smell was extremely erotic.Anyway, I can rate this service as superb. She did an excellent job of post-pop clean-up and bath and really knew how to make a guy feel refreshed. Again, no full service but a really great experience with an older Japanese lady. Her personality was bright and cheerful which is often hard to find in this business. The tout was right and I'm glad I was not tempted by his offers of younger ladies offering FS. And, the price (Y9200) cannot be beat, given the level of service that the lady provides.So, if you can stand the thought of being serviced by your college roommate's mom, certainly give this place some consideration.As for the location, it's in Ueno 2-chome, somewhere near Ueno 2-5 if you have a map in the heart of the RLD. It's perhaps 150m south of Shinobazu Pond at Ueno Park and maybe 100m west of Chuo Dori (the main road running south from JR Ueno Station). I think if you ask any tout in 2-chome, they can probably direct you.

[Sailing]

Fellow Mongers,I will be spending 2 nights at the beginning of December in Tokyo staying at the Renaissance Hotel in Ginza.Can anyone tell me if I will be able to find some action near by?Thanks in advanceDenis

Denis, The usual Chinese massage parlors near Ginza are in Shimbashi as well as some hostess bars in the Ginza area. I would not go to a Hostess bar in Ginza unless you have a friend who knows what the table charges and hostess charges are. You could easily get hit for a grand US unless you know what you are doing. Hamamatsu cho which is two stations South of Yurakucho has a branch of Madonna which you can read about on previous posts. I would head over to either Shibuya or Shinjuku as it is not that far from Ginza unless you want to prowl after the trains have stopped.In which case you might what to try Asian Mystique which is an out call place that provides `English speaking` girls for around 30KThanks for the concern Trim all is fine in Tokyo where it was a single big jolt. Good report and great pics JP!

[Stew2]

Did another exploration of Tsuchiura. This time, I went to a soap named Prin Prin (which, when I bothered to look it up in the dictionary, turns out to mean custard pudding, custard pudding). Prin Prin was recommended by the fellow at the Night Navi (see my previous post on Tsuchiura on 10/17) as a good soap that would admit foreigners. So I went, 2,000 yen internet discount coupon in hand. When I got there, the man outside was surprised that I wanted in, but immediately showed me in. Not surprisingly, a man who entered after me (while I was in the waiting room) was shown in before me, but my wait was not long. Soon the man came for me and told me the fee was 20,000 yen for 70 minutes. When I offered my discount coupon, he refused to take it, explaining that the discount was for Japanese only. I decided to proceed despite the obvious discrimination, since there aren?t too many soaps at this reasonable price that come recommended as having nice girls and willing to accept foreigners. I was introduced to Tomo chan, who looked nice enough, but is certainly no knock-out. She led me up to the room, and from then on, the experience was considerably better. Tomo speaks a little English, and I speak enough Japanese that if I am with someone who is willing to expend the effort and to speak simply enough, I shaberareru sufficiently to hold a basic conversation, and then we have a lot of fun trying to figure out how to get around the conversational blockages. Tomo was just that type of person. She is actually quite a curious person who feels pretty confined by the limits of her world ? as she explained to me, her world is pretty much the inside of the soap, so she likes to learn more about the world through conversation with her customers, and she enjoys the variety that foreigners bring. It?s nice to be appreciated. It was pretty surprising to have a soapland woman wanting to talk about such things as famous scientists (she knew a little about physics and about web page design). At one point her thirst for conversation threatened to run too much into my play time, so I encouraged her back to the agenda at hand. No problem, and we continued to have nice conversation throughout.Tomo was surprised that I like the mat play. She says a lot of foreigners don?t want to try it. If that applies to some of you, my advice is give it a try. First she washes you, and then you take a short bath. Then she puts down a large air mattress and covers it and herself with a jel-like substance. You lie face down on the mat, and she uses her greased up body to massage you. Then you turn over (carefully as it is very slippery stuff) and the procedure is repeated. At one point she slides under you, which feels rather nice. Sometimes you get a BBBJ and rimming, but not this time from Tomo. The whole things is a very sensual bit of foreplay that made me rather ready for the main action. We then moved to the bed. Tomo chan was willing to try various positions (though not all. The one thing that made her a bit uncomfortable (as opposed to just saying no) was my trying to teach her to do a bit of dirty talk. She seemed unable to make that leap. But she has a nice butt and pretty firm breasts, so I enjoyed doing doggy. All in all, a very fine experience that I enjoyed completely. I would recommend Prin Prin if the other girls are as good in bed and as fun as Tomo. It was definitely three notches up from the experience I had at the other Soap I have been to in Tsuchiura (Banana Boat) which has the advantage that foreigners are warmly invited, but the disadvantage that the party to which you are invited isn?t so interesting. On my weay back to the train station I was invited into a couple more places (I didn?t look too closely, as I was trying to catch a late train, but I think they were health/estee type places). So Tsuchiura continues to hold some promise for those of us in Chiba/Ibaraki. Happy mongering.

[Big JP]

What's my fellow monger's,I uploaded the photo's of the orgy that almost wasn't. New title is the 2nd try. Hope you all enjoy them. (Hey TRIM KEEPER thanks for the concern. I am in tokyo the effects were small here.) Thanks for being patient Mongers. Remember to read my full report in the nampa section. Here is a bonus Photo.BIG JP