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[Intransit]

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/socie...bling-kingpins

Macau's Lisboa Hotel vice den sex workers picked by gambling kingpin's nephew Stanley Ho, court told.

Former sex workers at the historic Hotel Lisboa in Macau say they were "interviewed" by a nephew of casino kingpin Stanley Ho Hung-sun before being allowed onto the premises, a court in the former Portuguese enclave has heard.

Thirty women who use to work as prostitutes at the hotel were giving evidence at the trial of Alan Ho who is facing charges that he headed a vice racket that sexually exploited women as an executive director of the 46-year-old establishment.

Ho, 69, was arrested in January last year and faces 90 charges of sexual exploitation and is accused of founding and leading a criminal organisation. Five other peole were also arrested and are facing similar charges.

On Friday, the Court of First Instance in Macau heard testimonies from 30 former sex workers at the hotel who said Ho interviewed and selected dozens of women to work as prostitutes on the premises, Radio Macau reported.

According to sworn witness statements from the women no-one made payments directly to Ho.

Many of the women said they were interviewed by Ho and hotel managers, including another defendant, Qiao Yan Yan, a deputy manager of the Lisboa.

Most of the sex workers came from the mainland and some said they had arrived in Macau illegally. However all had a common purpose: to seek a better life and make more money than they could earn in their home towns.

In most cases, intermediaries facilitated their entry into the former Portuguese enclave in exchange for "large amounts of money", the court was told. The prostitutes then had to pay 150,000 yuan (HK $178,000) to work at the Hotel Lisboa – either through intermediaries or directly to Yan.

Some also reported that they had to give a portion of the money they made to pimps, and if they violated any of the hotel rules they were aware they could be expelled. Others said they were working independently.

In the testimonies, given to Macau's Judiciary Police and city prosecutors when the women were detained a year ago, some women said they charged at least HK $1,500 per client. The women will not any attend any trial sessions as most of them live in the mainland.

At the opening of the trial earlier this month, Ho exercised his right to remain silent and his lawyer, Jorge Neto Valente, said his client was innocent. Valente noted that Ho had simply made accommodation contracts in the hotel with women who engaged in prostitution.

The syndicate Ho is accused of running is suspected to have controlled 100 rooms in the Hotel Lisboa, making a profit of 400 million patacas a year since 2013. Police arrested six people and detained 96 suspected prostitutes in January 2015.

Prostitution is not illegal in Macau, but pimping carries a maximum eight year jail term. The crime of leading a criminal organisation can result in a maximum 15 year term.

[BionicMan]

I was in Macau in October and I stayed at the Rio. Nice rooms, you should enjoy it.

The Rio spa is expensive. They are all expensive, but Rio is more than the other spas nearby. In regards to your question, just ask the staff at the Spa reception (on the 5th FL I believe) about re-entry. Show them your room key when asking so they know you are not full of it.

A peculiarly of all saunas is the "in and out" privileges are not part of the deal. Sauna services can't be billed in the room.

They are two separate entities and administrations. So the fact you stay in the hotel is not sufficient. You still have to settle your account when you exit. If you reached the minimum fee, exempt if you take services exceeding it (should be around 500 MOP), you pay up hill and next time you enter you have to start all over again.

Rio, if not crowded, has a great lounge, I used to stay hours and hours, going back to my room at 3 or 5, once even at 7 am.

Room maid might have wondered why I didn't take showers, LOL and why the bed was untouched. LOL.

[Pipe Layer99]

... Since I will be staying at Rio hotel, I will surely start at the local spa. Can one go in and out, if I prefer at some point to relax in my room for a while and come back?
Cheers,
Dreams

I was in Macau in October and I stayed at the Rio. Nice rooms, you should enjoy it.

The Rio spa is expensive. They are all expensive, but Rio is more than the other spas nearby. In regards to your question, just ask the staff at the Spa reception (on the 5th FL I believe) about re-entry. Show them your room key when asking so they know you are not full of it.

The less expensive spas within walking distance are Familia Nobre, straight up D'Assumpcao street about 6-7 hundred meters. Golden Sauna is to the right of your hotel. East sauna in the Waldo Hotel is to the left.

Also, you can try Houva Electrico for in-house fun or take out. Prices 'negotiable' from around 670 HKD to 1070. All depends on the amount of time you want with the girl (30 minutes in-house or longer) and if you want to take her to your hotel. Take out price for me was also negotiable. I believe it was 1070 hkd. But I got 1. 5 hours and 2 pops. Plus the hotel room is much nicer, bigger, with drinks, and water, etc.
If you want just a 30 min quickie or even 40-60 minutes, you can try in-house. Otherwise, make a deal with mama to take the girl to our room. At first I was going to do it there, but the room was too damn small and cramped. So I changed my mind and decided to take the girl for a longer time with 2 pops. I could have also just taken an hour with 1 pop for less money. But I thought I could manage 2. LOL

[Dreams]

No tip needed. Leave the habit back home. The only people expecting a tip (deserved or earned doesn't necessarily is the case) are the guys helping you in the locker room, handing over the pants / jacket pyjama, the barber if you use his services.

Tips can be given by signing a slip and putting your wrist number.

No need to tip girls for services.

Don't spoil the system. They do not expect any.

Thanks.

No worries, I am experienced enough to know the value of " when in Rome, do like the Romans do". Which is why I asked.

[BionicMan]

Very useful info, thanks.

Additional question: What is the customary tip level? Is it expected after each service, and if so, what kind of %? I don't want to spoil my whole stay by getting a "cheap Charlie" reputation form the beginning.

Since I will be staying at Rio hotel, I will surely start at the local spa. Can one go in and out, if I prefer at some point to relax in my room for a while and come back?

Thanks gain for the detailed infos.

Cheers,

Dreams

No tip needed. Leave the habit back home. The only people expecting a tip (deserved or earned doesn't necessarily is the case) are the guys helping you in the locker room, handing over the pants / jacket pyjama, the barber if you use his services.

Tips can be given by signing a slip and putting your wrist number.

No need to tip girls for services.

Don't spoil the system. They do not expect any.

[Lost99]

It is officially dead. The coffee shop is closed LOL.

PC out.

Haven't been to Macau in some time, was planning on making some bet's at the track here.

I guess the Gov't has decided to clean this up permanently? No more FL action. Just SN now?

[Dreams]

You pay when you exit. All expenses (mainly the services as drinks and most of the food are free even if a price is mentioned in the menu) are charge to your account though the number on your wrist band.

There is a minimum fee for your stay (be it 30' or 12 hrs or full overnight) but this fee is levied if you bought services above that amount.

Services can be (and some up) body scrub, full massage (1 HR), thigh massage, other massages, head massage, pedicure, barber / haircut, etc.

You can stay as much as you want and indulge in services every now and then, drinking and eating every now and then, sleeping, watching tv, lurking the scene..

Very useful info, thanks.

Additional question: What is the customary tip level? Is it expected after each service, and if so, what kind of %? I don't want to spoil my whole stay by getting a "cheap Charlie" reputation form the beginning.

Since I will be staying at Rio hotel, I will surely start at the local spa. Can one go in and out, if I prefer at some point to relax in my room for a while and come back?

Thanks gain for the detailed infos.

Cheers,

Dreams

[Howie]

Having difficulty trying to filter out info on the D2 nightclub in this thread as the filter selection 'D2' is too short for the ISG algorithm to comprehend.

So I gotta ask. Are the dancers in the club available for take out?

I was there on Saturday night and saw different bands of dancers. There were the Asian group (Filipino, Vietnamese, etc) and a separate Caucasian group (Russian, other Eastern European). Both groups wearing different skimpy attire where the Asian girls had lapels with numbers on their outfits and the Caucasians did not. Although the majority of the dancers and the female clientele there were pretty average looking, two of the Caucasian dancers were pretty hot. A blond worthy of an 8+ and a slim brunette spinner a 9. Unfortunately both were busy flirting with guys buying them drinks so couldn't intervene. Did ask one of the security guys but he was clueless and one of the waitresses who said they could be after their shift finishes (at 6.30 am) but vague on the details.

Anyways appreciate any info on take out service from there with regards to availability, quality and cost especially pertaining to the Caucasian dancers as I may head back there again later this month.

Howie.

[Sexmachine1]

Hi Guys.

Visiting Macau with my wingman for the first time. Only 2 days in town. 10th Morning to 12th Morning. Looking forward to visiting saunas. If anybody wants to get together, please pm me.

SM1.

[Boarer]

I guess what I an trying to determine is it worth it to come to Macau, or just look for something a little higher end in HK.

IMHO, would not miss Macau. Even if you lived in China, I think a peek across the border from both places will be worth a visit. I think it has slowed down recently, as has Macau.

[BionicMan]

When getting into a sauna, you get naked, take a shower, you are given a bath, then head to next step whatever that is, are you allowed to take a wrist watch, cellular, blue pill enhancer with you or are there restrictions? Also if you lock your money how do you pay for? I take insulin shots, would I take it with me, if I am spending hours inside a sauna! thanks for the information, I read the thread but I could not find anything concerning my questions, thanks a lot!

You pay when you exit. All expenses (mainly the services as drinks and most of the food are free even if a price is mentioned in the menu) are charge to your account though the number on your wrist band.

There is a minimum fee for your stay (be it 30' or 12 hrs or full overnight) but this fee is levied if you bought services above that amount.

Services can be (and some up) body scrub, full massage (1 HR), thigh massage, other massages, head massage, pedicure, barber / haircut, etc.

You can stay as much as you want and indulge in services every now and then, drinking and eating every now and then, sleeping, watching tv, lurking the scene.

Every time you drink or eat they take your number but it is for internal administration, not billing purposes.

Some sauna might bill for food or for some of the dishes, some might bill for alcohol (beer) if served (not all do).

Some have an open buffet, some have a pool table to play with.

The pants / jacket robe you are given has pockets and you can carry your shot.

No need of cash as tips can be paid through the wrist band number and billed on your account. You simply sign a small slip for that.

Macau Pataca and HK $ are accepted as cash, prices seem to be in Pataca, but don't quote me on that.

If you pay by credit card a 3% fee might be added and the billing is in HK $.

[MichaelSamuel]

Honestly I really like the Sauna experience in Macao, even as a westerner. And there is Houva for viet & chinese takout at a lower price. Darling also has a selection of viet, thai, and chinese girls for a more "reasonable" price of about 1700 MOP.

One other spot for FL / SW is along the outside of the hard rock / holiday inn / conrad across from the venetian. Usually girls strolling there. Some lookers, been quoted between 1000 to 3000 HKD. But communication can be an issue if you don't speak mandarin, very limited english. Never taken one of the girls but been tempted.

There are not a lot of options for non-chinese FLs in Macau.

The D2 disco that used to be in the AIA building is now in fisherman wharf across the street from the Sands. Note the D3 disco is also in fisherman wharf. D2 is mostly non chinese while D3 is chinese. I have only been to the new D2 on a Saturday night. There were probably 20-30 FLs of mixed nationalities there. Not sure the pricing for the FLs but it should be around 1000-2000 MOP depending on the girl. 100 MOP cover charge that includes 2 drink tickets. It doesn't start getting crowded until after 2 AM.

Lion Bar in the MGM will also usually have a handful.

The last time I was at Moonwalkers (across from the MGM) there were no FLs anymore.

Bellani Lounge in the Venetian was gone the last time I checked.

Cubic in City of Dreams is closet thing to a club in Macau. Will have a handful plus many girls that are not FLs.

[Makeupaname]

There are not a lot of options for non-chinese FLs in Macau.

The D2 disco that used to be in the AIA building is now in fisherman wharf across the street from the Sands. Note the D3 disco is also in fisherman wharf. D2 is mostly non chinese while D3 is chinese. I have only been to the new D2 on a Saturday night. There were probably 20-30 FLs of mixed nationalities there. Not sure the pricing for the FLs but it should be around 1000-2000 MOP depending on the girl. 100 MOP cover charge that includes 2 drink tickets. It doesn't start getting crowded until after 2 AM.

Lion Bar in the MGM will also usually have a handful.

The last time I was at Moonwalkers (across from the MGM) there were no FLs anymore.

Bellani Lounge in the Venetian was gone the last time I checked.

Cubic in City of Dreams is closet thing to a club in Macau. Will have a handful plus many girls that are not FLs.

[Sky Ryder]

I've spent a lot of time in HK and also lived on the mainland for a few years. My time in Macau is limited to two visits, and neither time did I really enjoy the sauna experience. So here goes, I would like some opinions of whether the local Macau FL scene is worth coming over from HK for an evening. Wan chai has lost its allure and I was thinking of a short road trip to Macau to try something new. All the massage places in HK seem to be local Chinese and the bars have a multitude of "experinced" Viet ladies that have an inflated idea of their market value (my opinion).

To answer he first question, yes I did RTFF, but there is not a lot of facts about the best places to engage a non Chinese FL in Macau and also a non-sauna massage place that may be take out or outcall available.

I guess what I an trying to determine is it worth it to come to Macau, or just look for something a little higher end in HK.

Thank you in advance for the information and the time!

Best,

Sky.

[Big Ass Eater]

Planning to be in Macau for a evening. Where do I go to pick up babes. Couple of years back you could get them in then casinos but a few months back could not find any girl there. Which is the best place to do so now.

Macau used to be an interesting place up until 10 years ago. It had its own character, culture and was quite anonymous to the world. People knew about Hong Kong but seldom would you hear anything about Macau. Now, however, just like Hong Kong it has been invaded by mainlanders and their kids. This has affected the local prices and made everything expensive, not to mention the nuisance the mainlanders cause. There were several small hotels and hostels with dozens of hot chicks just waiting around to get picked. I remember last time I visited Macau I paid 600 patacas for 1 hour. Quite a decent price. I didn't go every day but surely 3-4 times a week. But now, anyone looking for a good time better take a taxi to Zhuhai. This is my opinion.