Kuala Lumpur

[CinaHandsome69]

Hi bros,

Visiting KL next month and planning for day / night entertainment and company. Does KL have Thai style soapy massage places? Would kill for a soapy massage. Also, when it comes to FLs, what is a average outcall rate for 2 hours in say Thai or Beach cafe?

Don't have much to give back now, but promise to write a detailed FR.

Ciao.

KL has no soapies. Recently the new government with a more honest police force have cracked down on the cops that accept money from the MPs to protect the MPs.

When in KL I normally call Sean. Google for Tranticmassage and KL and you should get his number. RM350 for 2 hours outcall.

Girl comes to your room, strips fully naked, and gives you a sensual massage, B2B, balls and dick massage and end with a HJ. Depending on chemistry, she may allow you to mutually HJ her as well and kiss.

Selection of China, Indon and local FLs. Mostly are quite shapely MILF. Try as I might, I could not get anyone to do FS even if I raise the tip. Only once managed to get one of them to BBBJ and CIM.

But hey if you want a girl to slowly and sensually rub her body all over you, (but without the soap), try this.

[Fox Two]

Greetings,

I was in KL over the last week and spent a bit of time at Beach Club. During that time I had a number of conversations with the freelancers and due to my fluency in Vietnamese, a few of them opened up to me about how things work there. Just wanted to share some of the commentary and observations.

- Less freelancers in the bar. It appears there are less freelancers working at Beach Club since last year. Immigration has been cracking down rather harshly on the working girls the past few weeks and the effects of that are showing. Most all the girls I spoke with are Vietnamese. Although they are probably around, I didn't run into any Thai or Filipino ladies. The east European girls that used to hang out by the round table near the front are gone. It turns out that the owner of BC has responded to the crack down by restricting the number of bargirls in the main area of the bar and there is a separate queue for the bargirls that forms at the stairs going down to the Viet cafe below the club. Some days, the girls are restricted to the bar area only and not allowed to stand in the outer area of the club that's visible from the street. So, the take away here is if you don't see anyone you like in the bar, try having a look down in the cafe below the club.

- Pricing. The average opening ask from the girls seems to be 500-600 for ST and 1000 or more for LT. Obviously, how negotiable this number is will vary based on how much they like you, their past experience with customers, how busy they've been recently and other factors.

If a girl isn't really into you, she may throw out a high number that she thinks you won't accept, but would make her greedy side super happy on the rare chance you do. If this happens to you, it should be a red flag that the session with her will likely be "perfunctory" with little chance of a GFE. I observed this firsthand when a girl I was chatting with got pulled away by another friend of hers to talk with two middle eastern looking gents to negotiate a team session. It didn't work out and the girl returned to me later and told me they offered 1000 for both of them ST, but she wanted 1000 for each ST. She told me she threw out that number because she doesn't like "Arab" guys because (in her experience) they are abusive. And on that note.

- Preferences. It really does seem to vary from girl to girl. Some girls like tourists because they are concerned about immigration (more on that later). Some girls like locals because there is a chance to establish an ongoing relationship and steady flow of compensation. Some girls avoid westerners because their sausage and potatoes are too big and painful. Some girls won't go with south Asians because they fear coming back to a hotel and finding 6 more guys in the hotel room that want to be serviced too. Most of the girls won't go with guys that are drunk or near drunk over concerns they won't be paid later.

- Immigration issues. This can play into whether a girl will go with you or not. If you look like a local, a freelancer may not go with you if she suspects you might be working for immigration. If you fall in this category, bring some ID. I'm looking at you my Singaporean and Chinese brothers. Many of the Viet girls at the bar make use of a rather shady "travel" service to overstay months at a time. All the freelancers I spoke with had an abiding concern about being caught up by immigration.

I doubt any of this is really new for long time Beach Club veterans, but I found it interesting coming from the girls.

Good hunting,

FT.

[Black Page]

The question is: where are all those nice Pinay, who were available in quantity in KL until few years ago??

They seem to be disappeared. Last years I remember I have seen only 1 or 2 (old) in BC, nobody in Changkat.

For my, Philippine girls are the best.

[DavidLuke]

Hey guys,

Need help in Kuala lampur. Prefer Filipinos or Vietnam's. In call only. Or any suggestions to lead because with family friends. All service. Could not find in smooci. Will be here for next two days.

Thank you mates.

[NewImage]

Hi there,
I am planning a trip to Kuala Lumpur or Manila. Have any of you heard about or even travelled to both cities and can comment on the difference (only in the hobby aspect)?
My primary concern is the cost.
My secondary considerations are the attitude and the availability of the girls. I prefer girls who are kinder and polite, instead of those who gets the money and just want to get you done in 5 min to move on. I won't have tons of time, so I prefer a city where girls are easily accessible, instead of matching on apps for days before I find one real quality girl.

If your primary concern is cost go to Angeles. Why the f pay more in Manila when down the road things are 1500/2000 peso cheaper. Fly in to Manila, stay 1 night or go straight to Angeles.

Attitude and availability (and sample size) Philippines wins.

But as others have eluded to, when comparing, factor in where you are coming from, accommodation and esp hassle and shit infrastructure. In Phil you know you are in a third world country. What price do you put on the shit you have to put up with in the Philippines?
Something I often do is work out a cost per day total - meaning add flights, accom, food and daily spending and mongering money. Then compare and I often say hey for "x" amount of dollars more I don't have to put up with .......

I go to Phil for the hoes and pay less, I go to KL for the sweet Viet girls and pay more, each has its merits.

If you prepared to go to KL have you considered Jakarta or Phnom Penh re price ????

NI.

[Koliflaver]

Hi there,

I am planning a trip to Kuala Lumpur or Manila. Have any of you heard about or even travelled to both cities and can comment on the difference (only in the hobby aspect)?

My primary concern is the cost.

My secondary considerations are the attitude and the availability of the girls. I prefer girls who are kinder and polite, instead of those who gets the money and just want to get you done in 5 min to move on. I won't have tons of time, so I prefer a city where girls are easily accessible, instead of matching on apps for days before I find one real quality girl.

Hi KY Jelly.

Having been to both KL and Manila a couple of times (you can see my reports of some trips in both forums), here is my take (of course to each their own, others might have different experiences).

1. Cost: Depends where you are coming from. If going from Singapore, the travel cost to KL is so much lower, that the slightly higher you pay for girls gets offset. Manila girls may charge / cost less, but the cost of getting there is more (again, using Singapore as a starting point. Take for example the return fare to KL, 83 sing $ on a budget carrier, versus more than 300 Sing $ to Manila.

2. Availability: Tons of women available in both. Manila has mostly (say 95%) Philipinas, whereas in KL you can find Chinese, Viets, Philipinas, Thai, occasional Indian and Pakistani, Iranian, Uzbek, and other. Stans. And an occasional Japanese or Korean too. Cost varies by nationality.

3. Friendliness: I would hand that to the Filipina's any day.

Hope the above doctoral thesis on the Economic returns of mongering in 2 of SE Asia's hubs helps you.

Cheers.

KF.

[Zippos]

It's yours to make the decision brother. I find it more safe and convenient compared to Hotels actually. Every condominium has main entrance / gate security and then building security. Elevators are only accessible though a keycard and stops only at designated floor. You can get the cleaning done for a fraction of price such as RM15-25. Most Condo comes with Full size kitchen, Washer / Dryer same as you would get in your own condo / apartment. Also, a nice balcony of you are a smoker.

It's is very much Guest Friendly as long as you don't advertise out loud "I'm taking a hooker in my condo" like the Overly Drunk African-American dude did in Condo I stayed on my last visit.

Like I said, I've been staying in Condo for past 3/4 years and wouldn't stay at a 5* hotel even for a 50% discounted rate compared to a condo.

Happy safe mongering!

That's fair enough and informative! They are also about 20-30% cheaper too and might come with better facilities. Additionally I don't think staff there keep that tight a leash on visitors. Although the down side is that the lack of clean ups, and no prior security that it would be guest friendly. Being new to the city and having heard that its conservative, I'm still thinking of getting a proper 4-5 star hotel but this has given me food for thought!

[Zippos]

Price: Manila over KL.

Quality: KL over Manila.

Looks: KL over Manila. Also, depends on what floats your boat!

Availability: Tough one. KL has multinationals for right price. Manila only has Philipina for a very cheap price depending on quality.

GFE / Kind: That's totally depends on your luck. KL girls tend to provide better service compared to Manila as they come from other countries and they won't make money if service is poor. Philipina, hit-and-miss. Some provides top notch and some provide very poor service.

IMHO: If price and quantity is your concern, go to Angeles City. Very cheap for okay quality. Don't forget to factor in Air Fare and Accommodation from your departing country.

My experience: I've been to Manila an I would avoid it at any cost! But then I don't like very skinny girls with no boobs or ass. That's why I stick to KL or Jakarta.

Hope that helps making your decision. Happy Safe Mongering!

Hi there,

I am planning a trip to Kuala Lumpur or Manila. Have any of you heard about or even travelled to both cities and can comment on the difference (only in the hobby aspect)?

My primary concern is the cost.

My secondary considerations are the attitude and the availability of the girls. I prefer girls who are kinder and polite, instead of those who gets the money and just want to get you done in 5 min to move on. I won't have tons of time, so I prefer a city where girls are easily accessible, instead of matching on apps for days before I find one real quality girl.

[KY694]

Hi there,

I am planning a trip to Kuala Lumpur or Manila. Have any of you heard about or even travelled to both cities and can comment on the difference (only in the hobby aspect)?

My primary concern is the cost.

My secondary considerations are the attitude and the availability of the girls. I prefer girls who are kinder and polite, instead of those who gets the money and just want to get you done in 5 min to move on. I won't have tons of time, so I prefer a city where girls are easily accessible, instead of matching on apps for days before I find one real quality girl.

[BobLeFapper]

First tip discretion. Try to book it at Large Condominium Compound. You would have to tell the driver / escort / masseuse your building number and condo number and your name. Tell the girl to dress appropriately but not an obvious ho (very important).

Once arrived, you would have to meet them at the reception or in front of the building. Try to do money exchange discreetly and if possible not in front of building security. Better if you could do that sitting in car. Bring the girl out holding her hands and pretend you know each other for long time.

Usually it's not a biggie if it's a large condominium like IJN or Setia but ultimately discretion is your key. I've been staying in condo for my past trips and I prefer them over any upscale hotel. Condo comes with everything you may require to clean yourself or you can also make arrangements with condo owner for a small fee to get the cleaning done.

Hope that helps. Happy safe mongering!

That's fair enough and informative! They are also about 20-30% cheaper too and might come with better facilities. Additionally I don't think staff there keep that tight a leash on visitors. Although the down side is that the lack of clean ups, and no prior security that it would be guest friendly. Being new to the city and having heard that its conservative, I'm still thinking of getting a proper 4-5 star hotel but this has given me food for thought!

[Zippos]

First tip discretion. Try to book it at Large Condominium Compound. You would have to tell the driver / escort / masseuse your building number and condo number and your name. Tell the girl to dress appropriately but not an obvious ho (very important).

Once arrived, you would have to meet them at the reception or in front of the building. Try to do money exchange discreetly and if possible not in front of building security. Better if you could do that sitting in car. Bring the girl out holding her hands and pretend you know each other for long time.

Usually it's not a biggie if it's a large condominium like IJN or Setia but ultimately discretion is your key. I've been staying in condo for my past trips and I prefer them over any upscale hotel. Condo comes with everything you may require to clean yourself or you can also make arrangements with condo owner for a small fee to get the cleaning done.

Hope that helps. Happy safe mongering!

Hi,

Does anyone have experience with ordering an outcall to an airbnb or serviced apartments? Been thinking of ordering massages or escorts there but I'm not too familiar if there are any rules or guides to guest-friendly ones.

I know that in general a 5 star hotel would be discrete but am thinking of trying out the airbnbs since some of them come with really good facilities and are newer. Only problem is, they might not be regularly cleaned so short stays are better recommended.

[BobLeFapper]

Hi,

Does anyone have experience with ordering an outcall to an airbnb or serviced apartments? Been thinking of ordering massages or escorts there but I'm not too familiar if there are any rules or guides to guest-friendly ones.

I know that in general a 5 star hotel would be discrete but am thinking of trying out the airbnbs since some of them come with really good facilities and are newer. Only problem is, they might not be regularly cleaned so short stays are better recommended.

[Franga]

I walked past the old Skyriver place behind Farenheit Mall yesterday and noticed that it is now called Hokkaido. Not sure if it is open though.

[Zippos]

NI,

I was trying to say the same thing that you have described. Yours sounds more "what to wear" compared to mine "what not to wear" there are significant differences between our dress code compared to the crowd I'm referring to and also the negotiation skills.

I wish I could post a picture of the outfit these certain kind of crowd wears but I'm going to strongly refrain myself from doing so.

Agree with Z's comments but something interesting.
My usual garb for BC is sneakers, blue jeans and a black t shirt. Sometimes I wear a polo and better dress pants with casual shoes but find first set of clothes gives a casual look. Now this does not mean sloppy, smelly and unkempt look. Hygiene is very important too.
I have quite a muscular frame and try to act confidently but definitely not arrogantly. I am over 55 but am not trying to look like a 20 something cool dude. Works for me. (or is it just my money. Does clothes maketh the man?
And yes my opening offer for ST is always 350 plus 50/100 tip for performance.
NI.

[NewImage]

Bro,
If you shows up in BC / TC wearing Sneaker, Jeans, Long sleeves shirt with an aroma of cumin mixed up with sweat and start bargaining half price of what girls are asking. Chances are you won't get far!
In one sentence. RTFF, Play smart and Play right. Happy Safe mongering.

Agree with Z's comments but something interesting.
My usual garb for BC is sneakers, blue jeans and a black t shirt. Sometimes I wear a polo and better dress pants with casual shoes but find first set of clothes gives a casual look. Now this does not mean sloppy, smelly and unkempt look. Hygiene is very important too.
I have quite a muscular frame and try to act confidently but definitely not arrogantly. I am over 55 but am not trying to look like a 20 something cool dude. Works for me. (or is it just my money. Does clothes maketh the man?
And yes my opening offer for ST is always 350 plus 50/100 tip for performance.
NI.