Kuala Lumpur

[Shiney1]

I read all the detailed reports of New Image and Akinkythreesum, however, couldn't figure out if the "Truck Drivers" are still around in the BC. Any news or updates about them?

[Shiney1]

Hello Akinkythreesum,

Your FRs are awesome and very insightful. Thank you very much for taking the time to write such good reports. They are all very informative and beautifully written.

[NewImage]

As has been mentioned in Reports of Distinction before, just direct your Grab driver to Pudu Wet Market and you should get there within a few minutes walk. Google Maps for Richmoore Hotel should guide you to the approximate vicinity, after that just look for the look for the glass walled building with the "ACE" sign (see pictured). You won't see the Richmoore Hotel sign as depicted in Google Maps as that sign is on the other side of the building. You will walk under the covered pathway between 2 of the buildings past a few restaurants and people sitting around on plastic chairs. Take a left turn and you should enter into a long, dark hallway with broken down escalators in the middle. At this point, do not take any photographs as there is a sign on the escalator prohibiting photography. Its hard to miss as there are 3 tiled steps before the escalator and some red lanterns hanging from the ceiling also. There is a table to the right of the foot of the escalator where the Cantonese hotel mafia sits. Try and look natural if you want, but the guys sitting around the foot of the elevator size up everyone entering and will probably know if it is your first time there. They definitely know what goes on upstairs.
WIR? I honestly can't see myself being desperate enough to return to Ace. The options at Skyriver / Hokkaido and Beach Club are worth the extra money to a new monger like me. Worth a visit just to see the place though, in my opinion. If you're a hardened monger you may have a hankering for these kinds of quick and dirty spots.

Hope you scrubbed yourself raw on return.

[NewImage]

Ultimately the lives of these girls really fascinated me and there were so many more questions I wanted to ask them:
Is it common or accepted for Vietnamese girls to freelance?
Do people in their home country assume the worst when they tell people they went overseas to for a month?
Do they not think that sleeping with so many random guys will affect their ability to form a family later in life or do they just not think ahead?
What do their families think? Surely they must know why they are going overseas for a month and returning with lots of money.
Does it affect their ability to find a prospective boyfriend when they return?
Are most of them already experienced in working similar jobs (KTV, BMD, FL etc) back in their home country before they venture out abroad?
If anyone knows of a Report of Distinction on the forum covering these basic things then please do let me know. It would do me well to know the priorities of these girls.

Is it common or accepted for Vietnamese girls to freelance?= No I find Viet girls to be the good girls of Asia BUT if the family needs money then means may not be that important.

Do people in their home country assume the worst when they tell people they went overseas to for a month? = No they are working in hotels. Home doesn't ask and they don't tell.

Do they not think that sleeping with so many random guys will affect their ability to form a family later in life or do they just not think ahead? = Asia = live or survive for now think about tomorrow later.

What do their families think? Surely they must know why they are going overseas for a month and returning with lots of money. = They bring home money. See we don't ask and they don't tell.

Does it affect their ability to find a prospective boyfriend when they return?= not a long term job = they wouldn't tell their boyfriends. Anyway they prob will marry rich Westerner anyway. Viet boyfriend just fuck them and leave them with baby.

Are most of them already experienced in working similar jobs (KTV, BMD, FL etc) back in their home country before they venture out abroad?= I would say not. Its surprising how naive many are.

Remember you have to think like an Asian. Money and getting out of their situation is paramount.

Mothers & fathers would prefer their siblings live in another country and support them and have a better life than be with them in their own country.

If you are a Viet girl and you find a Westerner who will look after you. You are a winner. Doesn't matter if he is 40,50 or 60 . Age is not important security is.

Just my take from association over the last 11 years.

NI.

[AKinkyThreesum]

I should also mention that I did take a look at Thai Club. Got there after 10 pm on a Friday and I can hear mandarin music. Lots of grinding and groping going on at the tables. Less casual than Beach Club, clearly. Probably not so many ST deals made here.

I noticed immediately that the waitress is a solid 10 young cutie and easily the most beautiful girl in the club. I wonder if you can pay for her company? Can someone please confirm as it seems a waste for such a pretty young girl to be cleaning tables. I saw a few 10's here, but they were all already occupied. The women here look more expensive just by their clothing. Whereas Beach Club girls wear cheap unbranded clothing they buy from Vietnam, these girls are closer to western brands and cocktail dresses. I'll bet the girls here look down on Beach Club girls. A few (less attractive) girls approached me asking if I wanted to buy them a drink and chat with them. It seems even the Vietnamese girls speak mandarin as they approached me and I start to wonder if the girls at Thai Club speak mandarin better than the girls at Beach Club speak English. The girls here seem more socially oriented than those at Beach Club, who are very quick to ask if you want to take them to your hotel after the 3rd or 4th question. 90% of the girls in the club (all the 9's and 10's) were already occupied at tables.

It seems much more high spirited here. Girls here seem to not mind drinking, whereas the Beach Club girls usually grab a water or Pepsi after paying their cover charge. Lots of people playing dice and there are even VIP tables upstairs overlooking the dance floor where you have to open a bottle of whiskey etc to gain access. Very expensive. Seems to live up to the reputation here of being a place for groups of wealthy Chinese businessmen to party with beautiful women.

Now interestingly enough the girl I got from Beach Club for a LT said that she felt sorry for the Thai Club girls, who go out for 250ST. She said that while the girls at Beach Club all know each other, the same can't be said between the girls at Beach and Thai Club, so I think she misunderstands that the 250ST price is actually after they have gotten the guy to pay for several lady drinks and other expenses before Thai Club girls will go anywhere.

[NormanBrightside]

I first visited in 2006 and have been back many times and personally I don't think it's changed much either for the better or worse. Sure the variety has reduced, and it's now mostly Viet, but quality is pretty similar in my experience. The reality is that I don't think KL is really a mongering destination in the way AC, or Thailand is. Wasn't before and isn't now. But if you're there then there are perfectly acceptable options in BC or massage shops.

I was in KL last night. Popped into TC. Clients were 90% Chinese and the girls accordingly were much more orientated to them rather than other nationalities. Got some interest but nothing that interested me, so went to BC. Not particularly full but enough doable girls. Ended up with a 29 year old Cambodian. Face 6 or 7, body a smoking 8. Damage 500ST (couldn't be bothered to argue down). Great GFE at the hotel, with a nice CIM finish. So all good.

Norman.

Now with people like NewImage and many others claiming that Beach Club (and Kuala Lumpur generally) is not what it used to be, where has all the quality gone? I visited both Kuala Lumpur and Singapore and thought that Beach Club was the best of what I saw on my entire trip.

I assume that the primary markets like Vietnam, Thailand and Cambodia haven't changed?

[Canook71]

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[AKinkyThreesum]

As has been mentioned in Reports of Distinction before, just direct your Grab driver to Pudu Wet Market and you should get there within a few minutes walk. Google Maps for Richmoore Hotel should guide you to the approximate vicinity, after that just look for the look for the glass walled building with the "ACE" sign (see pictured). You won't see the Richmoore Hotel sign as depicted in Google Maps as that sign is on the other side of the building. You will walk under the covered pathway between 2 of the buildings past a few restaurants and people sitting around on plastic chairs. Take a left turn and you should enter into a long, dark hallway with broken down escalators in the middle. At this point, do not take any photographs as there is a sign on the escalator prohibiting photography. Its hard to miss as there are 3 tiled steps before the escalator and some red lanterns hanging from the ceiling also. There is a table to the right of the foot of the escalator where the Cantonese hotel mafia sits. Try and look natural if you want, but the guys sitting around the foot of the elevator size up everyone entering and will probably know if it is your first time there. They definitely know what goes on upstairs.

Holy fucking shit this place is amazing. My first thought upon walking up the escalators. How interesting! Its packed full of at least 20 working girls and 40+ year old (mostly chinese) men sitting around and is unmistakably a redlight area. This is blatantly a pickup area. No wonder the guys downstairs are so aggressive about entry. I guess the younger men have higher standards since I don't see any guys under 40 years old and the guys here are the lower income males, probably from the local Pudu area.

A Chinese Woman by the escalator grabs my arm as I come walk off the escalator so shake her off and sit in the nearest empty seat to avoid any more of those approaches. A few more girls approach me and I gesture for them that I'm not interested, including a girl who I thought was pestering me for blowjob offer was actually asking me what drink I want to buy (the gesture for drinking from a cup is quite similar to blowjob gesture, I swear! I realized shortly afterward that she is probably a waitress since she is dressed in jeans with a fanny pack and is going around collecting finished drinks. Another waitress approaches me and I realise she is asking me if I want to buy a beer. I think she pointed to bar to try and get me to understand and one of the bar guys starts approaching me whilst strobing me with a flashlight. Anyway I order a coke and as she walks off the guy with the flashlight stops approaching and starts chatting with another staff whilst keeping an eye on me. Perhaps you aren't forced to buy a drink if you don't take up a table like I did. On a side note, there is an LED sign saying 40 Sen charge to use the toilets, can't imagine how seedy the bathrooms on the food court levels would be.

I went there at about 5 pm and from what I could tell, these girls are far below the quality at Beach Club. I daresay most of these girls are 35+ years old. Probably not to different from the quality I saw at Onestop Food Court / Sap Chuen. (I've also attached photos looking at and out from, the main entrance of Onestop as I didn't partake there and so won't be writing any report on it. Maybe that will help future mongers, I don't know.).

I flagged up vietnamese Ailing for a 30 minute session. To my surprise she offered 80 and not 100 to start with. I countered with 60 and we agreed on 70. We went up the stairwell and caught the lift the to level 6 (not on ground floor like others have reported) sharing the elevator with another punter & girl whilst avoiding eye contact. In through the bars around the doors and she locks them behind us as we enter. Seems to be a shared apartment with other girls from what I can tell. I undress her and she starts off with a bit of BBBJ (in retrospect, I should have insisted condoms first when I realized how seedy this place was, more on this later). No shower to start with at Ace. Instead she uses a wet wipe and spits before putting the condom on. Anyway she starts off with cowgirl and I notice her vag smelled kind of bad and I got a good whiff every time she slammed her body down on me, which really detracted from the experience. She also didn't use her legs to stop and dropped her whole weight on me every thrust so I got to feel her full weight crashing down on me. She was a small girl for sure, but the weight of her whole body slapping on my thighs was pretty unpleasant. I guess these girls are constantly tired with the amount of men that come to see them every day. We change positions and as soon as I pull out, I see what appears to be 2 splotches of dried semen on the condom. WTF?! I immediately begin to regret fingering her earlier and especially regret having her lips on she skin of my glans a few minutes ago. I'm assuming she brushes her teeth after every session, but I don't want to imagine how many STIs are in that crowd of 40-50 year old men in the food court downstairs.

I will myself to finish up as quickly as I can and she goes off to the bathroom and then its my turn to wash up. The bathroom is kind of dirty, but serviceable with a detachable shower head. Interestingly they have those giant drums of water you often see in poorer parts of Asia with a plastic ladle. Seems like a recipe for contamination with all the men going through that bathroom. Anyway I wash up as best I can, trying my hardest not to make contact between my genitals and the fingers on my left hand, which have been up her snatch. As I'm drying myself with the towel that countless other men have used since the last laundry cycle, I start to re-evaluate my life choices and wonder about the chances of me coming out of this one without catching any diseases. Back in the room I get dressed, pay her and go downstairs. I tried to ask her how many clients she got daily, but she wasn't keen on disclosing that.

WIR? I honestly can't see myself being desperate enough to return to Ace. The options at Skyriver / Hokkaido and Beach Club are worth the extra money to a new monger like me. Worth a visit just to see the place though, in my opinion. If you're a hardened monger you may have a hankering for these kinds of quick and dirty spots.

[AKinkyThreesum]

Now with people like NewImage and many others claiming that Beach Club (and Kuala Lumpur generally) is not what it used to be, where has all the quality gone? I visited both Kuala Lumpur and Singapore and thought that Beach Club was the best of what I saw on my entire trip.

I assume that the primary markets like Vietnam, Thailand and Cambodia haven't changed?

[AKinkyThreesum]

So far had 4 girls (don't count alternatives) across 10 days what have I learned:
7. Would say girls get customer on average 1 out of 3 nights. Annie who is very "take homeish" and I have seen her working the room says this is about normal and by her texts when she was talking to me this confirms.

1 customer every 3 nights estimate given seems very unlikely. If they're getting a customer for 400-500 every 3 nights then 30% their income is getting eaten up by cover charges, which seems unlikely. Maybe for the less attractive girls? But even then I doubt a customer in 1 of 3 nights would make it a tenable long term gig for them.

There were a few (midrange) girls I met who I witnessed taking out at least one guy per night while I was there, usually at least 2. They werent necessarily the most beautiful, but they approached more guys and had decent english so they were the type to hit it off and have a conversation with the guys instead of launching straight into "do you want to go back to hotel?" after 3 lines of dialogue.

My feel is that for an average looking, mid 20's to early 30's Beach Club viet who can speak english and isn't shy about approaching guys, 2+ patrons per night is the norm. This was confirmed by my LT girl who said that most girls get 2-3 patreon per night.

Yes, they are very mercantile and will go straight back to the club after you've done and paid, but when a 1 hour session with a guy pays the equivalent of 2 weeks full time wages in their home country, its easy to understand why. Personally I'm more impressed by how they can stomach getting used by so many unattractive (and probably not very nice) guys every night. A lot of these girls are far above average looks and will have a high self esteem. Surely that takes a toll and I can't imagine doing that daily for a month.

[AKinkyThreesum]

Ultimately the lives of these girls really fascinated me and there were so many more questions I wanted to ask them:

Is it common or accepted for Vietnamese girls to freelance?

Do people in their home country assume the worst when they tell people they went overseas to for a month?

Do they not think that sleeping with so many random guys will affect their ability to form a family later in life or do they just not think ahead?

What do their families think? Surely they must know why they are going overseas for a month and returning with lots of money.

Does it affect their ability to find a prospective boyfriend when they return?

Are most of them already experienced in working similar jobs (KTV, BMD, FL etc) back in their home country before they venture out abroad?

If anyone knows of a Report of Distinction on the forum covering these basic things then please do let me know. It would do me well to know the priorities of these girls.

[AKinkyThreesum]

Visited Beach Club from 3rd to 5th of July (Wed-Fri), although most of my observations below were what I noticed Wednesday night. Posters have reported that Beach Club has changed for the worse over the years. I'll try my best to provide a fresh perspective as a first time visitor and someone who is new to the mongering scene.

Anyway, as I walk up to the entrance, Indian guy at the sidewalk asks if I want girls holding condom box. Later on when I was leaving he said he could get me Thai or Chinese girls and that these girls were all Vietnamese only. Having recalled what I heard about the Indian pimps on the ISG forums, I didn't even bother entertaining his proposition. When I first got there and was looking around, I was not 100% sure of how to tell which are working girls or not. I thought that some of the couples sitting there were sitting and chatting for far too long to be simple negotiations on service / price and some guys even buy glasses of wine for them to drink. I didn't want to offend some stranger in a foreign club by asking if I can pay to fuck them lmao. I took a seat and managed to strike up a conversation with a friendly Australian fellow who explained that they were all Vietnamese and that they were all prostitutes "because they're hot and we're ugly and they want to fuck us". I did ask one of the girls who confirmed that the girls were all from Vietnam and I didn't meet any non Viets, however I did hear one girl speaking Cantonese, but I couldn't find her afterwards.

The conversation usually goes something along the lines of "where are you from?" "what's your name?" "which hotel you staying?" and then "do you want to go back with me? I don't know why they are so incessant about you revealing your hotel name. Apparently telling them its a 5 minute walk / car is not enough and they have to know the exact name of the hotel. I later asked one of the girls why they are so insistent on knowing the exact hotel name and they said it was just a conversation starter, but I don't believe that at all. Can a more experience Beach Club goer please explain this to me? I feel like its either a safety protocol where they text each other where they're going at all times in some group chat (I noticed that the girls I brought back to my room would always be texting from the elevator ride up until arriving at the room number) or its simply to size up your wallet. Perhaps a forum user here with more experience than me can shed some light on it.

As it was my first night in Beach Club and I had already had a girl from Hokkaido that night, I didn't really go for any offers and was just trying to see get a feel for how low I could get from everyone. I couldn't get a single girl to go for 300ST, but some did offer 400. As far as quality goes, there was a large range of looks from 9's and 10's to MILF types and what I would call 4's. There were definitely more girls than guys there, but the ratio changes a bit throughout the night. I noticed 3 main tiers of girls that stood out to me while I was there:

-The top tier are the most attractive, being 9's or 10's and they stand or sit around looking pretty without bothering to approach guys. You usually see 3-5 of them (depending on your criteria for a 9!) as soon as you go up the stairs after redeeming your drink, clustered around the doorway and also those high tables. These are the types of girls who will not be the ones to suggest going to the hotel and will probably not budge from their 600ST / 1200 LT starting offer (I didn't bother negotiating with them any further as their price coupled with their lack of enthusiasm was a big "no" sign). Not a single one of these girls bothered approaching after I left to give me a counteroffer. When I was speaking to the girl I got for LT, she brought up these girls without any prompting and basically said that they feel like they may lower their value if they approach the patrons. I had a suspicion that they may show interest in men who look wealthy (I wasn't wearing any Rolexes that night, so perhaps they already knew I wasn't willing to pay them their price and hence the lack of interest in the conversation). These girls are also the selective type that you've heard of. I saw one of them just shake their head and walk away when beckoned to come over by two Arab looking guys.

-The bottom tier of girls are the MILF and generally less attractive types who approach guy and then suggest going back to the hotel after only 2-3 questions. Their starting price is lower than the other girls and they will probably lower the price during the initial conversation. They will almost always approach you again laer in the night, either with yet a lower price or to flat out ask what price you want her for. To give an idea, one girl offered herself for 400ST / 500 LT (weird ratio of ST to LT, I know. Perhaps this indicates their success rate). I didn't go with any of these, but maybe the service will be better, given how desperate they seem. I suspect the seasoned mongers go with these types as they can probably get a whole lot of performance out of them.

-I'd say nearly half of the girls fell into the mid range category. Your typical 6-8/10 types. These seemed to be the more friendly types who chat with guys for a while and even have a drink or two before going out with them. Some of the prices I got include 400ST /1000 LT, 400ST /700 LT, 600ST /1200 LT, 700ST /1000 LT (she offered 1200, then dropped to 1000 in the same breath).

-There are also those girls who dance with their friends on the dancefloor. I'm not sure what their strategy is in staying exclusively there as it is the furthest from the entrance and very few guys will see them (its hard to get a look at the dance floor girls when the discoball or whatever the fuck it is constantly flashing rays of colored lights all over). Its also way too fucking loud near the live band to strike up a conversation.

On my first night I actually did see a group of maybe 5 blonde girls sitting at a table on the lowest area near the entry from from everyone else. They looked very out of place there and I assumed that they had come here not realizing and being disappointed that it was a pickup joint for punters and Vietnamese freelancers. I also did see two Caucasian couples on a double date looking very awkward as they sat silently at an indoor table. I'm guessing they also caught on to the nature of this place very quickly.

Spoke to Indian looking guy when I saw a girl walk away from him and he said "its 200 ringgit for 2 hours fuck and suck. That's the price". I wonder how much luck he had with these girls in the end given his ethnic disadvantage and budget, haha. Thinking back on Skyriver / Hokkaido though, that does actually sound like a reasonable price. For 45 minutes they charge 238 there for Thai Vietnamese Cambodian and Laos girls and 338 for PRC and they include a room, drinks and even a meal. I've heard the friendly staff there are also fairly receptive to complaints as well. I always found the Skyriver pricing a bit odd, but perhaps they've pegged the prices at 238/338 as the 38 is approximately the cover charge of Beach Club, which would make the girls' fees 200. Anyway thinking back on it now, I find it a bit harder to justify the prices in Beach Club. If anything, they ought to charge less since they don't have to pay for a pimp or room. I suppose the girls there do speak a bit of English unlike Skyriver and you can negotiate exactly what you want. The girls at Beach Club were noticeably younger than Skyriver too, but those cuter ones obviously cost (or quote) higher prices.

Overall I actually liked the place quite a bit. The girls were decent quality with enough girls to find at least a few to fit your fancy and it was really something for me to watch the approaches, negotiations and happy couples walking out of the club. If only I had visited some years back when it is said the performance was higher and the prices lower.

[NewImage]

400 for 2 shots, no condoms, BJ, DFK and DATY? Looks like I really have to up my game then.
Might be a naive question, but aren't you afraid of catching something from these girls with your bareback only policy? I'd already be worried about DATY and would have little faith in the girl disclosing if she had any STIs.

We could have a 20 HR discussion re bb. For me condoms just kill the experience and yes I suppose I am gambling.

I have done my research on bb and taken vaccinations etc to do what I can but I would prob agree I am probably an idiot and just trying to rationalize my practice.

I do think there is a lot of misinformation about getting STD's but yes its hardly a game you should play.

As for upping your game just don't accept the price they quote straight out. I often think would I get better service if I pay more. Not sure. But then it gets too expensive for me and I would be better to play where I am.

In the end with everyone its your money spend what you feel comfortable with.
PS last 2 times I have picked up a real GFE for 400 and kept her for a while - young, fresh and truly what I like - this time not.
As I said KL is off the list

NI.

[AKinkyThreesum]

Entered Hokkaido around 5:30 pm on a Wednesday. The entrance is 2 large, nondescript glass double doors to the right of the "Hokkaido" shop name sign. The doors look dark as if whatever store is inside is permanently closed, but they are just heavily tinted to look that way.

Enter to find a staff desk with a woman who will unlock the door for you to enter the lounge area. All the doors are kept electronically locked and the staff communicate with each other via a hand free system to ask for the doors to be unlocked (this feels a lot safer in the case of a raid, I think). They all seem to speak Cantonese.

There were about 3-4 30's or 40's year old Chinese guys lounging around when I entered and only 1 guy with the girls, so I practically had the entire selection available. I was told that 9:30 pm was the most busy, so maybe arrive before then if you want to have the full range to look at.

I spoke English with Tom, who I found to be friendly, helpful and in no rush to get me in and out. He said there was about 20 girls (after 5 pm they've all arrived) and after a while of flicking through what looked to be hundreds of photoshopped thumbnails on his phone, he showed me the gallery of girls currently working. Apparently if you return the next day 90% of the selection is the same.

When you're ready, they take you upstairs to sit on some couches and bring out around 7 girls from each country at a time to line up in the hallway. There was a set of Viets, PRCs, Thai and a set of half Laos and half Cambodian.

Pricing for 45 minutes was 338 for PRCs and 238 for all others. Apparently the Chinese do Fire and ice and B2B, hence the price. Some Laos or Thai girls may give massage. Apparently most of them don't speak English well.

I picked a the most keen looking PRC as per Tom's advice that they gave the best service and off we went to the rooms after paying the 338. I think Face was 8 with makeup, body 8, boobs a bit saggy, but 6.

Anyway so we strip, shower and dry with towels (no catbath: S) She starts with some BBBJ and B2B before applying the condom and cowgirl. No kissing or letting my hands go anywhere near her vag.

She was a bit loose for me and the lack of feeling from the condom made it hard for me to enjoy it, although she definitely tried hard. I also realized afterward that there was no fire and ice service. Maybe an unlucky pick by me.

I think this place is a safe bet if its your first time in Kuala Lumpur and you want something low risk and simple. I felt fairly comfortable entering and sitting in the lounge area despite it being my first mongering experience. They serve free drinks and food and you can lounge around on the couches afterward and watch the Chinese movies on the wall mounted TVs until you feel like leaving.

[AKinkyThreesum]

Most open with 500 for me but will go for 400.
NI.

400 for 2 shots, no condoms, BJ, DFK and DATY? Looks like I really have to up my game then.

Might be a naive question, but aren't you afraid of catching something from these girls with your bareback only policy? I'd already be worried about DATY and would have little faith in the girl disclosing if she had any STIs.