Kuala Lumpur

[Winston Mayona]

Two nights ago, walking around Changkat BB trying to find a girl for overnight fun. Just a FYI, the rate for that is about RM $600-1000 for 6-8 hours. Don't pay more than that. Even the online escort agency charges about the same. Plus these street freelancers gets a bigger cut without working for the agency. So there are always room to negotiate. I heard from some of the working girls on the street whispering about this place call Hive bar and K bar which is located about 10 min grab ride from Changkat. So I decided to give it a go. Once I got there, I noticed quite a few freelancers, hot looking ones hanging out inside and outside those bars there from 8 pm to maybe 1-2 am. Got a girl for overnight 8 hours there for about 800 and she is hot looking, wearing a tight skimpy dress. She looks like a local mix with a good command of English. Took her back to my 5 star hotel and bang the shit out of her. For merely $RM100 more I got so many extras that night. Not going to say what, but will leave that to your imagination.

The location of these bars (Kbar, Kuna, The China Bar, highball and many others) are cross street of Jln Tun Razak and Jln Kampung Pandan. The GPS coordinates is 3.1404939656086768, 101.72100771158667. Hope this helps. Just letting my brothers here know about another good location to hunt besides the regular Changkat and Bukit Bintang strip.

This is great information.

Anyone else tried this, and any results to share?

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When I rate women, I give two scores ranging from 1 to 10 based on the face and then the body. Unfortunately, it's darned near impossible to find a gal there possessing the whole package, including passable English skills.
Plenty of girls there with facial scores of 7 to 8 with body ratings of 3-4, and vice versa. A couple of gals would have received equal scores of 6 and 6, but they were mainly older women who knew zero English.
So if I had to give grades based on the "full Monty", most women's looks would fall between 3 and 6.
Face it, for those prices, if they were lookers, they could be hookers at more upscale places.
I've visited ACE about 10 times and had English conversations with a few of the Chinese customers. Apparently, they would rather go upstairs with an older and uglier Chinese dragon than have a session with a younger and cuter Viet. Their loss, my gain.
Seven years ago, the quoted prices from Viets were between 80-100 MYR. The gal I took on this trip charged me 100 MYR and I graded her a 5 for her face and a 7 for her body. No apparent price increase after the surge in worldwide inflation during the past two years.
I've never been to Vietnam, but I'm guessing it would be difficult for a foreigner to find a similarly appealing gal in Hanoi or HCMC who would provide 20-30 minutes of full service with massage in her own clean short-time room for $22 USD.
Unfortunately, there were very few dark-skinned women there. I'd be in heaven if I could find a similar place in KL staffed with Indonesians.
As for whether any of these gals would accept a longer-term booking at your hotel, my gut feeling is that most would not. The huge advantage of ACE for the girls is it's a safe environment, and any men acting out of line would be quickly tossed out. Plus, if the price inside is 100 for 30 minutes, she would probably ask for, say, 250-300 MYR for a couple of hours outside.
Instead, I'd just go to the Changkat bars by the old Soleil Hotel and find a freelancer for 400-600 MYR where it's infinitely easier to seal a deal.
One final note: I don't consider KL to be a dangerous city, but ACE is located in an area which I would prefer to not venture to after dark. It's located in a pretty out of the way place and the walk from the Pudu metro station is long and devoid of other pedestrians.

Kl used to be an old hunting ground for me. Ala the days of BC "sigh".

I like the easiness of getting around, good accom, good food, quite a bit to see and do AND the lovely Viets et al of BC & (possibly) TC.

Appears post COVID some Viets are returning but I laugh when I see the videos on Youtube of massage street. Not much chop around there. Even went to the old Soleili spa once. LOL what a dive.

You are right re Vietnam. HCM have some gorgeous girls but not at those prices.

At one stage I though of combining a Batam / Singapore / KL trip but I have heard post COVID Batam has gone off the boil.

BTW. What hotelo did you stay in. I used to stay at Fraser Place due to close proximity to BC.

Be keeping my ear out for KL intel. Thanks for your reply.

NI.

[Keen Eye Joe 1]

I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder BUT how would you rate the girls there. Prob no 9/10's but maybe some 6/7 which means doable.

Also a quick wham bam thankyou man is not my cup of tea. Do you think any would be interested in a longer session at the hotel room?

Agree for the price a steal but want to make sure you stay fully covered.

So seems options are 100 MYR for Ace, 300 MYR for spas. Any ideas how much FL are charging?

NI.

When I rate women, I give two scores ranging from 1 to 10 based on the face and then the body. Unfortunately, it's darned near impossible to find a gal there possessing the whole package, including passable English skills.

Plenty of girls there with facial scores of 7 to 8 with body ratings of 3-4, and vice versa. A couple of gals would have received equal scores of 6 and 6, but they were mainly older women who knew zero English.

So if I had to give grades based on the "full Monty", most women's looks would fall between 3 and 6.

Face it, for those prices, if they were lookers, they could be hookers at more upscale places.

I've visited ACE about 10 times and had English conversations with a few of the Chinese customers. Apparently, they would rather go upstairs with an older and uglier Chinese dragon than have a session with a younger and cuter Viet. Their loss, my gain.

Seven years ago, the quoted prices from Viets were between 80-100 MYR. The gal I took on this trip charged me 100 MYR and I graded her a 5 for her face and a 7 for her body. No apparent price increase after the surge in worldwide inflation during the past two years.

I've never been to Vietnam, but I'm guessing it would be difficult for a foreigner to find a similarly appealing gal in Hanoi or HCMC who would provide 20-30 minutes of full service with massage in her own clean short-time room for $22 USD.

Unfortunately, there were very few dark-skinned women there. I'd be in heaven if I could find a similar place in KL staffed with Indonesians.

As for whether any of these gals would accept a longer-term booking at your hotel, my gut feeling is that most would not. The huge advantage of ACE for the girls is it's a safe environment, and any men acting out of line would be quickly tossed out. Plus, if the price inside is 100 for 30 minutes, she would probably ask for, say, 250-300 MYR for a couple of hours outside.

Instead, I'd just go to the Changkat bars by the old Soleil Hotel and find a freelancer for 400-600 MYR where it's infinitely easier to seal a deal.

One final note: I don't consider KL to be a dangerous city, but ACE is located in an area which I would prefer to not venture to after dark. It's located in a pretty out of the way place and the walk from the Pudu metro station is long and devoid of other pedestrians.

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I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder BUT how would you rate the girls there. Prob no 9/10's but maybe some 6/7 which means doable.

Also a quick wham bam thankyou man is not my cup of tea. Do you think any would be interested in a longer session at the hotel room?

Agree for the price a steal but want to make sure you stay fully covered.

So seems options are 100 MYR for Ace, 300 MYR for spas. Any ideas how much FL are charging?

NI.

[Novio]

Great report! Glad to hear the ACE / Hotel Richmond is still operating. Yes, it's an acquired taste and you have to suspend some of your normal standards sometimes. I still remember getting in that elevator line and, after getting into the elevator car, having the girls steer you away from the soft spot in the center of the car floor, as if that would help if the elevator were to come crashing down.

Just returned to the Philippines after my Christmas vacation in Kuala Lumpur. Woke up one weekday morning with a sign from the Greek god Phallus that I was long overdue for some daytime action.

KL abounds with "gentlemen's spas", which I believe are priced today at around 300 MYR / session. Sanitary, scripted and safe places, but they don't satisfy the Stanley and Livingstone side of me. After all, if you suffer from wanderlust, you need to wander far to satisfy your lust.

So I arrived at my favorite daytime hangout, called the ACE Building ("Richmoore Hotel Kuala Lumpur" on Google Maps) at around 1 pm. There are plenty of reviews here about ACE but very few in the post-pandemic time. For those who have been there previously, rest assured that the environment and set-up has not changed since I last visited long ago.

I'd estimate there were around 35 women on the floor at one time, going through a relatively quick rotation as an equal number of women were exiting the elevator to replenish the ones going upstairs. It wouldn't surprise me if the hotter gals were doing upwards of 10 customers per shift.

As I was going to see this through to the end, I ordered the big bottle of Carlsburg for around 23 MYR, equal to two small bottles. I parked my arse in front of an air conditioner and didn't have to wait long for the sharks to start circling my table.

It appears the Chinese gals and customers tend to congregate on the side near the beer vendor, which is the only air conditioned area. The hotter side is where the Viet gals and subcontinental guys hang out.

During my first 10 minutes of sitting, at least 6 older Sino haggies stopped by, and I waved them all away. Then came girl #7, who would not leave my table even after a fervent shooing from my hand.

My first clue that she was not Chinese was when she said, "I care youuuuuu", which sounded something a Thai gal would say. Turns out this gal was Viet, from HCMC. The rest of her English vocabulary was "massage", "ice cream" (fellatio), "happy happy", and "I wub you".

I'd estimate her height / weight to be 5' 5" and 120 lbs, with no discernible belly fat and wearing booty shorts with a boobsy top.

But what was most striking about her was how much her face and hair resembled American actress Jennifer Aniston. In my prime, Jennifer was the gold standard. I wasn't going to pass this one up even though I prefer a darker skin tone.

She then asked if she could drink some of my beer, to which I agreed. She found a glass and we drained the bottle together as she babbled a bit in her language while holding my hand and sensually running her fingertips up and down my thigh.

As best as I could determine, for 100 MYR, I would receive a massage, ice cream, and boom boom in her upstairs cubicle. A mere $22 USD, so I could definitely write it off as a loss if she turned out to be a dud.

The most interesting part of the adventure is waiting for the slow elevator with the other short-time couples. We were the 7th couple in line, with all the customers being dark-skinned Indian-types with light skinned Viets. Those gals all ignored their customers-to-be, but mine was all lovey dovey in line and seemingly basking in the positive comments she was getting from the other gals for bagging a rare Caucasian.

We got undressed and she offered me a towel as we went outside the room for a cat bath. As for the "act", I must admit she exceeded sexpectations as she was primed and naturally lubed for the event. We kissed for about a minute and luckily, she gave me a two-minute blow job without a condom. The BJ was conducted with me laying down and her body placed in the 69 position. She balanced herself with one knee against the wall and then swung her hairy pussy right above my head in case I wanted to DATY, which I refused.

Soon after, she rolled onto her back, and I rose and straddled her legs. Unexpectedly, she took my cock and pulled it toward her snatch without a condom, but I immediately stopped and retrieved my latex insurance policy from under the pillow.

She was tight and wet, and my medium sized schlong entered her easily. Her pelvis thrusting was superb and her body shuddered right before I climaxed, so I guess I had my A game today.

She offered me the free body massage before cleaning ourselves up, but I declined. No upselling, and no tip asked for and none offered.

While standing in front of the elevator, she gives me a big hug and says, "I love you", over and over. If her parents were there, I'm sure there would have been a shot gun wedding today.

A lot has changed in KL over the last 10 years. The Chow Kit houses are gone, as are the Brickfields and Petaling Street dirt cheap bordellos. Of course, the Beach Club did not survive the pandemic, rest its soul.

But the ACE Building / Hotel Richmoore survives and even thrives, as there was a huge bevy of ladies in the early afternoon, of which some were young and moderately attractive Viets.

As I've written in long ago posts here, it's unsanitary, chaotic, and full of piranhas, but it has an amazing low budget atmosphere. It resembles the cantina scene in the original Star Wars movie and I've never seen another place quite like it. With the right girl it is great value for the money. Every guy should go at least once.

[Wurldmonger]

Just wanted to thank everyone on this thread. I didn't do much unfortunately in KL. I didn't want to pull the trigger on the WhatsApp things. As someone pointed out, it looked incredibly scammy, requiring a "deposit" in order to use their services.

I stayed near Berjaya Times Square, and so was only a few blocks away from Hokkaido. This is a straightforward setup. No illusion of a massage at all. I picked a plain looking Thai lady, who after she took off her dress, looked absolutely incredible. Very enthusiastic but somewhat mechanical service ensued. Exactly what I needed at that time. Damage was 200 ringgit I think. Sorry, my memory isn't great these days. I gave her another 100, but she definitely didn't expect it.

I did try to go off the beaten path and go to Melissa massage near The Pearl Hotel, but, possibly because it was Christmas eve, it was closed.

[Blue Bus]

That was a great report you just lodged. I must keep that place in mind next time I'm in KL.

[Keen Eye Joe 1]

Just returned to the Philippines after my Christmas vacation in Kuala Lumpur. Woke up one weekday morning with a sign from the Greek god Phallus that I was long overdue for some daytime action.

KL abounds with "gentlemen's spas", which I believe are priced today at around 300 MYR / session. Sanitary, scripted and safe places, but they don't satisfy the Stanley and Livingstone side of me. After all, if you suffer from wanderlust, you need to wander far to satisfy your lust.

So I arrived at my favorite daytime hangout, called the ACE Building ("Richmoore Hotel Kuala Lumpur" on Google Maps) at around 1 pm. There are plenty of reviews here about ACE but very few in the post-pandemic time. For those who have been there previously, rest assured that the environment and set-up has not changed since I last visited long ago.

I'd estimate there were around 35 women on the floor at one time, going through a relatively quick rotation as an equal number of women were exiting the elevator to replenish the ones going upstairs. It wouldn't surprise me if the hotter gals were doing upwards of 10 customers per shift.

As I was going to see this through to the end, I ordered the big bottle of Carlsburg for around 23 MYR, equal to two small bottles. I parked my arse in front of an air conditioner and didn't have to wait long for the sharks to start circling my table.

It appears the Chinese gals and customers tend to congregate on the side near the beer vendor, which is the only air conditioned area. The hotter side is where the Viet gals and subcontinental guys hang out.

During my first 10 minutes of sitting, at least 6 older Sino haggies stopped by, and I waved them all away. Then came girl #7, who would not leave my table even after a fervent shooing from my hand.

My first clue that she was not Chinese was when she said, "I care youuuuuu", which sounded something a Thai gal would say. Turns out this gal was Viet, from HCMC. The rest of her English vocabulary was "massage", "ice cream" (fellatio), "happy happy", and "I wub you".

I'd estimate her height / weight to be 5' 5" and 120 lbs, with no discernible belly fat and wearing booty shorts with a boobsy top.

But what was most striking about her was how much her face and hair resembled American actress Jennifer Aniston. In my prime, Jennifer was the gold standard. I wasn't going to pass this one up even though I prefer a darker skin tone.

She then asked if she could drink some of my beer, to which I agreed. She found a glass and we drained the bottle together as she babbled a bit in her language while holding my hand and sensually running her fingertips up and down my thigh.

As best as I could determine, for 100 MYR, I would receive a massage, ice cream, and boom boom in her upstairs cubicle. A mere $22 USD, so I could definitely write it off as a loss if she turned out to be a dud.

The most interesting part of the adventure is waiting for the slow elevator with the other short-time couples. We were the 7th couple in line, with all the customers being dark-skinned Indian-types with light skinned Viets. Those gals all ignored their customers-to-be, but mine was all lovey dovey in line and seemingly basking in the positive comments she was getting from the other gals for bagging a rare Caucasian.

We got undressed and she offered me a towel as we went outside the room for a cat bath. As for the "act", I must admit she exceeded sexpectations as she was primed and naturally lubed for the event. We kissed for about a minute and luckily, she gave me a two-minute blow job without a condom. The BJ was conducted with me laying down and her body placed in the 69 position. She balanced herself with one knee against the wall and then swung her hairy pussy right above my head in case I wanted to DATY, which I refused.

Soon after, she rolled onto her back, and I rose and straddled her legs. Unexpectedly, she took my cock and pulled it toward her snatch without a condom, but I immediately stopped and retrieved my latex insurance policy from under the pillow.

She was tight and wet, and my medium sized schlong entered her easily. Her pelvis thrusting was superb and her body shuddered right before I climaxed, so I guess I had my A game today.

She offered me the free body massage before cleaning ourselves up, but I declined. No upselling, and no tip asked for and none offered.

While standing in front of the elevator, she gives me a big hug and says, "I love you", over and over. If her parents were there, I'm sure there would have been a shot gun wedding today.

A lot has changed in KL over the last 10 years. The Chow Kit houses are gone, as are the Brickfields and Petaling Street dirt cheap bordellos. Of course, the Beach Club did not survive the pandemic, rest its soul.

But the ACE Building / Hotel Richmoore survives and even thrives, as there was a huge bevy of ladies in the early afternoon, of which some were young and moderately attractive Viets.

As I've written in long ago posts here, it's unsanitary, chaotic, and full of piranhas, but it has an amazing low budget atmosphere. It resembles the cantina scene in the original Star Wars movie and I've never seen another place quite like it. With the right girl it is great value for the money. Every guy should go at least once.

[Paradoxxal]

I have no idea why my previous report didn't get approval but I want to warn others trying to find escorts through telegram.

Some of those groups will ask for a deposit first. There's a 70% chance you will get scammed. Tried a few and most of them will bait and switch.

If you're a foreigner, they will ask for your race. After that, they will decide if they will allow booking or not. Some will offer a limited choice while some will decline you completely.

Oh well, that was a rough experience for me but I'll come well prepared next time I visit KL.

[Mathias037]

"Choose one of them. 500 for one shot in my hotel room.

" 500 of what? 500 Ringits?

Just back from KL. Asked a taxi driver names of clubs for pick up. He offered to send girls to hotel instead. Soon a van arrived with 3 girls. Was not satisfied. Within a few minutes another van arrived with 3 Vietnamese. Choose one of them. 500 for one shot in my hotel room. Decent but nothing memorable.

Next day visited Hokkaido. Was shown a line of 8/9 girls. Choose a very sweet Indo girl. Total GFE. Memorable experience. 260 or so.

LK.

[Watnow78]

Hey I just downloaded this app today and I was having a similar problem not being able to find people nearby. I think I did the right thing by tapping on the top left corner that pulls down a menu and I clicked people nearby? Could it be because I live in Los Angeles and there's not much activity? Also how can you just choose to look up females and not men, because I see too many dick pics LOL. Thank you.

[BKKguru]

Ramadan does not affect life in KL for our hobby. It's business as usual. There's no Malay Muslim girls in the bars we frequent, and if there is Muslim girls from other countries. Well they can do whatever they want.

This year, Ramadan starts on March 11.
I have been RTFF to determine if the Massage / Spas in KL will remain open during Ramadan.

I found a couple of posts from 2019 (including this post from Irish Mongrel).
Hope nothing has changed in last 3 years i.e. it is business as usual for these establishments.

Thanks,
~BKKguru

[LionKing777]

Just back from KL. Asked a taxi driver names of clubs for pick up. He offered to send girls to hotel instead. Soon a van arrived with 3 girls. Was not satisfied. Within a few minutes another van arrived with 3 Vietnamese. Choose one of them. 500 for one shot in my hotel room. Decent but nothing memorable.

Next day visited Hokkaido. Was shown a line of 8/9 girls. Choose a very sweet Indo girl. Total GFE. Memorable experience. 260 or so.

LK.

[Samsta]

What were the names of the two Telegram groups mentioned? I'm having trouble finding them. Thanks mate.

Dude, hope you found the groups just search: escort, KL, Outcall ETC.

Anyway here's one: sohapp88 which brought me to [Deleted by Admin]. From there I visited thier puchong branch by getting in touch with old mate on whatsapp, details are found on thier site. I rocked up and saw maybe 10 girls door by door which a friendly enough guy led me around stating names and nationality. He also mentioned some which were higher priced than usual 180 for 1 shot 240 for 2 shots in the hour.

I chose Lele or similar name from Vietnam. Massive Jugs small short frame and 95% same as her pic. Mind you thier star thai girl was unrecognisable from her pics so I didn't choose her. To be honest I wasn't getting horny fast enough for her and she kept whinging about it which definitely didn't help. She ended up giving me a handjob and said only 1 shot when I paid for 2. I did make the error of handing over cash first before the deed. Guess I didn't know how it works here vs freelancer where I would not do that.

If someone can tell me if I should just shut that down by insisting or moving on or if that's normal on these types of incall that would be appreciated.

Anyway, next night walked around chow kit as hotel was nearby. Dead as fuck even at 8 pm though I wasn't expecting much. Decided to go to havana and BB and glad I did. Lively street but only maybe 5 Viet ladies in thier late 30's standing at a particular spot near the foot massage places so I didn't start negotiations.

Also saw some lbs on the corner of Jln BB and Changkat BB and zero action on Jln Alor but great spots for dinner it seems. I even went up hotel soleil up to level 5 from a vague memory and there must be some action on another level there as there's a random Indian bloke asking me if I wanted a spa girl and it would be 350 for 45 min. He would probably just take me to Hokkaido and charge the extra 100 for himself I'm guessing. Didn't boom boom this night but recon felt good. To be clear there nothing on lvl5 hotel Soleil as far as I saw.

Tonight I was busier on badoo and got some hits with a Singaporean giving me mad chat but taking a chunk of time doing so and holding out to meet. So instead got an African to come over after matching. 1 HR for 400. Didn't look much like her pics at all but still looked sweet and so I thought let's get a BJ at least. Ended up neither of us had a condom so gave mutual oral for 20 min, and then I asked room service for a condom. They charged me 25 rn so lesson learnt there. Fooled around some more and slammed her in a few positions even though she was a far cry from the spinners I'm used to from phils or TL. Anyway got the job done on the hard floor slamming away and gave her 50 tip so 450 all up as she was so chill about the 1 hour and the interruptions. Honestly I feel alot of Asian birds would have gotten the shits but maybe it helped I agreed beforehand to pay after the deed. Oh yea.

She insisted on CD which made me want to fuck without it but no luck even after asking a few times.

All in all good round.

Now I'm wondering if I should go the short walk to CBB to see what's out tonight but it has been raining so I don't think I'll see much.

Got to get over not mongering in Angeles city as I have been there 4 weeks recently. KL is definitely alot slower but I can see the potential and hey the foods good and great hotels are cheap.

Take care all. Stay safe.

[SurfPro]

Will try to keep this a efficient as possible to help everyone out as much as I can.

Stayed in Bukit Bintang for 4 days.

Went through several websites and tried at least 5 of the top search results which all sent bait and switch girls.

I sent them all back except 1 who was really cute (still did not look anything like her picture).

Tried tinder and matched with a few girls, I met 3 girls. 2 girls looked 60% like their pics due to heavy filters and photoshops, 1 was a gem. We had dinner, drinks and back to my place.

She was cute, shy and slightly submissive which was fun and I doubt she was even a semi-pro.

No payment was discussed and no payment was made.

I searched extensively on Telegram with all possible keyword searches you can imagine.

2 groups were useful, 1 is for incall massage with FS, the other has 18 K members and sends daily profile of incoming girls from SEA with stats as well as reviews. 2 main managers, Hugo and Ahcool.

I tried this service as incall 3 times and each time to a 1 or 2 star hotel which were between 7 and 30 minutes away from Bukit Bintang and it did not disappoint (incall about 240 vs outcall with min time required and gets to 1 K).

I also tried another group that has 7 K members with a nice manager that will send you 2-3 girls and you can choose the girl you like for outcall for about 300.

I chose 1 girl that looks nice, she was very star fish like, contacted the manager, he sent her packing and came back with 3 additional girls. So even tho they did not look like their pics, the service was good.

I used the nearby function on telegram as well and found groups to which I went in the group profile. You can see the members in the group which are mostly escorts. You can reach out to them directly.

Out of the 7 girls I reached out to, I agreed on price and service with 1 and asked for video call to confirm. She came over for 2 hours for 500 and it was an amazing experience.

To talk about scams.

I took one for the team and was sent to an hotel, which was 5 min walking distance from my hotel.

I was asked to pay 200 through a purchasing some kind of e-wallet thing at a supermarket and sending the picture to the manager.

I would never usually do that but he sent me about 50 screenshots of conversations of people who did that as proof that this was the norm and it was not a scam.

There was a 30 minute conversation and I could go on and on but I decided to go ahead and let my possible loss be a lesson to anyone who will read this in the future.

I made the purchase and sent him the picture of the e-wallet which I am certain he cashed out.

He then told me that the room was not ready and I should purchase another 50 for the room.

A lot of back and forth and I cut my losses and moved on. Unfortunately.

A lot of girls on various groups and other websites also asked for a deposit of that kind and told me that this was the norm.

100 through e-wallet and 200 cash when the girl came.

It made me feel like this was the norm but I never did it again because why trust them to sent anyone.

100 might not be a lot but I can imagine them doing this to 100's of people per day and the numbers start adding up.

Hence, please, never ever, no matter how much it makes sense, pay any kind of money unless it is cash to the girl, in the room.

Went to several massage places on that declining street that has 20 massage parlors side by side. Had at least 10 massages in the 4 days I was there and only 1 offered extra services when I asked.

On the lower street, there were plenty of working girls but no more than 4/10 to my taste so I did not approach them although they approached me a lot.

Hope this helps everyone to some extent.

Pm me if you need more details and I'll be happy to help when I log back in.

What were the names of the two Telegram groups mentioned? I'm having trouble finding them. Thanks mate.