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**BionicMan** · 03-31-10 04:05

Originally Posted by 11Bravo

With a resident or frequent visitor, VERY SHORT SIGHTED.

Myself, I always cut them loose. Just not worth it; she's there for the enjoyment, so who wants to have an unhappy bed mate.

I might show them the money to prove I have, but I ALWAYS specify "pay after". If she agrees, fine. If not, then that's just another "data point" in the go/no-go decision, and certainly raises the red caution flag.

If I do decide to take, even with the "concern", I'll negotiate a ST rate, with the understanding that it could turn into LT.

I also ask specifically what time she wants to leave in the morning. If I get an "up to you", I'll state a time just to make sure it's mutually agreeable.

And I specify the number of rounds I'm expecting. Not so "romantic", but does allow the "contract" to be understood by both sides.

Now, obviously, if she's a liar, she'll agree to anything to get you out of the bar (advantage you) to back "home" (advantage her).

I've had a few who, once back at "my" place, insisted on being paid up front. THAT really sets off the "Danger Will Robinson" alerts. Hopefully (if it happens), it's while we're still dressed. Yes, I've heard all their arguments: she doesn't know me, some guys rip girls off... I just point out it's a 2 way street.

Once in bed, it's her advantage. But I have been known to get up, say "No thanks, let's go back to the bar, each of us can look for someone else", pointing out she had agreed to pay after, and starting to get dressed. It's not really a bluff, as I have done exactly that. Also allows time to QUICKLY renegotiate a lower ST rate, or offer her 50% up front. Pain in the ass, but once they see you getting up and starting to dress, their "attitude" has been known to change - my experience, anyway.

Also why I tend to pull early, and return to my place early. After all, once I've made my decision, there SHOULD be more entertainment possibilities at home than in the bar. And it gives time to overcome misunderstandings...

I agree, even if a business transaction, the "contract" requires good faith from BOTH parties. As I've posted before, I don't cut the pay for poor performance (e.g., starfish). I just don't repeat, but a LT->ST scam guarantees no repeats and a warning here, just like you.

The 1 Viet I've been with, LONG time ago, in Cambodia, did the same thing. I've found the PRC's, perhaps more pragmatic, do tend to live up to the deal. Not 100%, but certainly 90%

Thanks for posting, and will keep in mind. Sounds like you'd had round 1, and she bailed after that.

Guess it's better to also negotiate a ST rate, "just in case", or at least to mention that any early departure will be paid 'at this rate'.

BTW: what do you think would have happened if you'd offered her 50% or some reduced rate then, with the statement she'd get the rest in the morning, after she'd returned with her "medicine"?

Nice exchange of advices

you are pretty much right, indeed.
As often mtnioned here, at one end we think with our little head and on the other end it is obviously a hit or miss.
As in my professional life I do enough negotiations, deals, etc, makes me sick to have to do that on the mongering side.
That does not mean I am blindfolded. But if I need to start a deep negotiation, well, where's the enjoyment, pleasure, fun and leisure in mongering.
I try to keep the business transaction at the minimum.
It is a good strategy to book a ST and eventually extend it to a LT. Gotta do that.
Maybe the LT pays my psycho as gets more into the GFE, not being a rabbit (age makes me pay a tribute to performances, LOL) I mainly do LT so not to have time restrictions and get some GFE, not much for the "x" number of pops.
But at the end, owning your own bed rather than with a stranger has some advantages too, albeit the morning wake up can be all alone.
Paying 50% now and 50% later is also a good strategy.
But again... enhance the business transaction mood.
Obviously those girls are skilled and they have the "who fucking cares if I look only business oriented, I am a WG after all" attitude.
Kind of "if he takes it, I win. If he does not take it, bad try, go to the next one! and maybe I win there".
Nevertheless in a market with 1/10 ratio, she might not be so lucky to get a 2nd opportunity on the same night. Her choce
I know some will have a grin to read on "wasting" the money in such a way, disturbing the market. But, hey, at the end we talk about +- 10/20 of the mongerer currency (euro or dollars)...
More on the 2nd night later.
But at the end, then,

**BionicMan** · 03-31-10 03:52

Originally Posted by 11Bravo

Thanks for the response. Have stayed at the Concorde I think - is that the one that has/had the Hard Rock?
GOOD advice, will consider that when looking (for hotels).

that's the one!

**Black Page** · 03-30-10 17:52

Originally Posted by Jlim75

Does anyone know any good hangout gay places in KL?
Any where for a good fuck / suck / massage with privileges?

I'm not into it, but on Jalan Sultan Ismail, near the intersection with J. Bukit Bintang, at night, I noted several boys waiting for male company.
Walking North along Sultan Ismail, moreover, at night you'll meet several TVs.
Finally, on Sultan Ismail, at left going North from Bukit Bintang, if I'm not wrong a bit after the first street at left, there is a disco bar, which at night emits loud music. Inside, it's full of TVs and Arabian tourists.
(I know this is not what you asked, but maybe it is of interest)

**11Bravo** · 03-30-10 12:52