Ho Chi Minh City - General Info

[Member #4285]

Last time (and first time some months ago) I were in Saigon I tried Smiley. 600k BBBJ CIM upstairs. Another girl from same bar the day after, 1M for 2 hours and 2 times. No barfine, I had here number.

This time Im thinking, I'll try to bargin better, but with no luck.

First Bar 91, a very slim and not so short girl with a nice little but, here eyes little strange but I liked her. Ask me for 400k to bar, plus 1M to here for one hour. I sad maybe tomorrow and went over to Smiley, 700k for BBBJ upstairs (including 3 or 400k to the bar). Does the money really go to the bar or the girls just say this to get more? Took one beer only in both places and thougt, Im tierd and I'll go back to hotel and RTFF instead.

Will try to find some good info about the FS MP for a tomorrow afternoon session. Looking for 200-300K total. I love the VN girls, but Im feeling like cheep charlie.

[Happy Harry]

This evening (10:30pm) I tried to find WGs on NTT in Q7. I circled around the stretch of road close to the bridge for a solid 30mins but didn't come across anything. Is the time a tad late or do you guys gave EAGLE eyes =D

I normally can spot a girl by her unblinking stare but in this case most seem fixed on heading somewhere.

HH

[Happy Harry]

Excellent post Ho Chi Minge +1

[GreenBud]

Against my better knowledge I went back to the backpackers area tonight to do some more 'research'.

Instead of wasting time sitting outside at Crazy Buffalo or G02 bar, I just spent a good amount of time strolling around the area

This time around I did spot an occasional FL. In total I think I spotted about 5 (the rest are all tourists, backpackers, hippies, etc.)

The FL girls I spotted were all, without exception, butt ugly and old.

So in summary: the FL scene in this area is pretty much non-existent. While I have no doubt there will be the occasional legitimate and decent looking FL that gives this area a try, it's just absolutely not worth the time nor effort to come here hunting for a fuckable FL.

Tonight was the last time I'm going back to the backpacker's district for hunting. Unless you're a backpacker, hippie or just looking to get drunk/high, you have no business hunting there.

As that other post mentioned, the Go2 and Crazy Buffalo discos (upstairs) happens late. Then at that time you have local girls there (in addition to the tourists).

Ya, there aren't that many FL girls walking around. But they might be hard to spot, since this is Vietnam, the girls don't advertise as heavily as they did years ago.

Butt ugly: can't argue against that statement.

Old: is 28 to 40 years old old? Ya I guess so.

I just like to come to that area to get drunk and high.

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[Ho Chi Minge]

This is for all the newbies coming to VN who need a very general guide. Feel free to add/criticize. I won't take it personally.

Prices in thousands VND.

Hot toc/cat toc. Hairdressing places where BJ or HJ is offered. Cost 150. 200. Try Dinh Bo Linh/D2/D5/Dien Bien Phu streets in Binh Thanh District, Nguyen Phi Khanh st in District 1 for concentrations of these places. Service varies from place to place but generally you go up to a dark room with curtained off beds, girl will give a half hearted massage, clean you up, lift her top, pull down her knickers and get to work on you. Standard of girls varies from place to place from old hag 2/10's to 7-8's. DBL street is the most convenient because you can see the girls from outside.

Massage. Found in nearly every sub 4* hotel in the city. Ticket usually 100 which includes sauna, steambath, jacuzzi etc. Tip the girl between 100. 200 for service. Usually HJ only but some places do BJ. Be prepared to haggle while she has your dick in her hand. Don't give in to anything higher than 200. Standard of girls is usually high. If the place looks nice then the girls usually are. Festival on Cao Thang st has a very good reputation for good looking, hard working girls. The 2 hotels on pham ngu lao st have cute girls but service standards vary wildly and they are hard nosed hagglers. Its easy to get a phone number and arrange a meeting later.

Freelancers. Best spot is undoubtably Apocalypse Now on Thi Sach st. The place absolutely heaves with FLs. Prices and quality vary but 800. 1 million for overnight seems to be the price for the better ones. After Apo closes any FLs without a customer head to Go2 and Crazy Buffalo in Pham Ngu Lao. These places don't really get going till after 2am. FLs can also be found in Gossip, Pink Cadillac and X club. They usually hang around near the bars at the back. The 24 hour restaurants on Nguyen Tra are also full of high end FLs late at night.

Street girls can be picked up on Nguyen Binh Kiem, Nguyen thi minh khai, and Nguyen Chi Thanh streets. Look out for girls going around in circles on motos. Short time should be max 500 but be careful at all times with these girls and the hotels they take you to.

Be very wary of 'girls' who approach you by moto in D1. Usually ladyboys and/or thieves. They will rob you somehow.

Take outs from bars. I don't know much about this scene but try bars on Hai Ba Trung, Thai Van Lung and Thi Sach streets. If it has dark glass doors you know you've found one. I believe there is an excellent in depth report somewhere on the forum so RTFF for more info.

There are some bars in Pham Ngu Lao with a similar set up and these are easy to find. Try Bui Vien st near to Cong Qhuyen st.

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[Happy Harry]

Thanks guys for the input. Well I've finally done the deal with the "innocent, sweet" girl that i was pursing through less financial means.

Like sudoz recommended, i took her to eat at a nice place and brought her back to my hotel on LTT in Q1. The fact that she ended up on my bed to watch action movies gave me verification that this girl can't be too naive.

It took around two hours to get the her bottoms and after that it was easy. I just pulled out some generic lingerie and told her to try these on.

Her tits were disappointingly small AA-A and she was too hairy downstairs.
Her tightness and the extra sensitivity from no condom allowed me to finish quickly (10mins).

I have to admit that it wasn't worth the effort. I think i've become a firm follower of the JD approach. The thrill of the chase is gone and now I'm figuring how to ditch her politely.

Should be able to meet up with another two girls this way before I head back home. Definitely will use the BBBJ HT more.

AR said that Ngoc Anh massage was good for recovery. I totally agree =D

Posted a photo below

[Johndao]

Are these stories you heard from those girls themselves? Either way, pretty nasty stuff.

Yes, of course, these are real stories. Sure we have all heard the 'my family poor' and 'my mother sick stories' but these are different. By the time a girl hits the street in VN, you know it's pretty bad. These aren't lower middle class gals out for a little new mobile phone money. This is survival.
JD

[Wendella]

I will tell you two stories of girls forced to work the streets in HCMC.

Are these stories you heard from those girls themselves? Either way, pretty nasty stuff.

[Mash Potatoes]

Sad but true. So if you detect a bad attitude, poor service, an unwillingness, a lack of care for you as a customer, walk away. There are others out there who are working because they want to, and more importantly they can walk away when they want.
JD[/QUOTE]Sad but true.

I've heard similar stories like these.

[Wendella]

1. Does anyone know anything about a place called Pinnochio at 105 Tran Hung Dao in D1? It says 'restaurant' on the sign but looks totally like a bia om/karaoke. I only ask cuz I was waiting for a green light there and spotted a drop dead stunner walk into it around 6pm and disappear upstairs.

2. Anyone ever visited the street cafes on Le Hong Phong street just near the corner of Tran Hung Dao in D5? They look very dubious, in a good way.

[Happy Harry]

Buy her dinner somewhere nice but near to your hotel. After dinner just walk with her past your hotel and put the word on her once outside. Don't give her time to think about it.

Thanks for the reply. Will try it and let you guys know how it goes.

Big tits alert: The last Hoc Toc on Nguyen Phi Khanh. I was pleasantly surprised when she took off her top to reveal nice natural C cups.

[OzzieSuds]

Urgent advice required!

Guys, yesterday I met up with a girl from tagged. Early 20's and very sexy. The problem is that she seems like a decent girl. How should I go about blowing her off her feet in Saigon over the next 2 days so that I can get her in bed?

Is she one of those relationship hunters who wants to get a viet kieu or some highclass-ish *****.

Any advice would be appreciated b/c if you guys don't think it's possible, I just drop her and stick with the BJ and motogirls in D1, D7 and around NDC and the roundabout.

If she's fuckable, I will definitely post up contact details

Appreciated,

Harry

Buy her dinner somewhere nice but near to your hotel. After dinner just walk with her past your hotel and put the word on her once outside. Don't give her time to think about it.

[Johndao]

Must say my experience of the PNL freelancers is quite different from BBBJ's. Most of the girls I've seen on the streets in this area have been young and attractive -- but always too small to interest me. Okay, not always...I have taken a few, even though they were small, and had about half good and half bad experiences. Good, from the ones on the streets. Bad, from the ones on motorbikes with a male driver.

You know guys, we talk a lot here about bad performance, poor service, lack of willingness on the part of the girl, etc. We've all read about [CodeWord908], sex slaves, etc, right? Well that's not only international, it's intranational. And SE is ground zero for this kind of treatment of girls and women. Try your best to be aware of why a girl seems reluctant to perform. Many girls are forced into what they are doing. There are threats of violence against them and or their loved ones to coerce them.

In addition, all the beggars, ticket sellers, flower sellers, gum and cigarette and book sellers around the PNL area are part of organized gangs. Nobody can operate independently in this area.

I will tell you two stories of girls forced to work the streets in HCMC.

1) Hoa was probably an ok girl who got involved with the wrong guy. She left high school, she left her family to be with him. He was no good, a drug user and a thief. She was neither, but she 'loved him.' He did petty crime like pickpocketing and snatching and stealing things off cars. He used the money to support them, buy drugs for himself and to gamble playing cards. He was always behind in payment for his drugs as his habit increased. He 'borrowed' from the dealers far more than he could steal. Eventually he was arrested for theft and sent to prison. He still had his outstanding debts to the dealers/mafia however and they came to get it from Hoa in the only way she could earn money for them. She refused at first, until the gang had her boyfriend beaten in prison. He called her and begged her to work with them to pay his debts or there would be more prison beatings. As she 'loved' him, what could she do? At first they rode her around on a motorbike with a male to strongarm her and make sure she did not try to run away, then later she had a female driver/minder, and as she got used to her new trade, they let her walk the streets, watching from nearby.

2) Nhi is from the southern Mekong Delta area. Her family were farmers on the land, when the craze of aquaculture began. They thought they would get rick quick and borrowed heavily to convert much of their land into shallow ponds used for farming shrimp/prawns. Her father is uneducated and the people who sold him the equipment, machines, pumps and chemicals were more interested in their short-term profit than in his being successful. The family did not qualify for any kind of bank credit and they were not connected in any way so there were no commercial or government loans available to them. The money they borrowed was from the money-lenders--the mafia, and the interest rates would make your head spin. These people think in terms of daily and weekly rates like 1% and 5%. No matter, her father was sure that when the first shrimp crop was harvested, they would have plenty of money to pay back the loans. Except that he did not get the chemicals, the food, the oxygenation right and the first crop all died about 3/4 of the way into the process. There was big money owed. So the family was forced to do what many have done before them. Turn over a pretty daughter to go to the city to 'work.' Of course they never say exactly what she is going to do. Work in a restaurant, sell coffee, as a maid, etc. But she is young and pretty and they can make a lot more from her in other ways.

Sad but true. So if you detect a bad attitude, poor service, an unwillingness, a lack of care for you as a customer, walk away. There are others out there who are working because they want to, and more importantly they can walk away when they want.
JD

[Happy Harry]

Urgent advice required!

Guys, yesterday I met up with a girl from tagged. Early 20's and very sexy. The problem is that she seems like a decent girl. How should I go about blowing her off her feet in Saigon over the next 2 days so that I can get her in bed?

Is she one of those relationship hunters who wants to get a viet kieu or some highclass-ish *****.

Any advice would be appreciated b/c if you guys don't think it's possible, I just drop her and stick with the BJ and motogirls in D1, D7 and around NDC and the roundabout.

If she's fuckable, I will definitely post up contact details

Appreciated,

Harry

[Pokey Penguin]

Must say my experience of the PNL freelancers is quite different from BBBJ's. Most of the girls I've seen on the streets in this area have been young and attractive -- but always too small to interest me. Okay, not always...I have taken a few, even though they were small, and had about half good and half bad experiences. Good, from the ones on the streets. Bad, from the ones on motorbikes with a male driver.

Problem of late is that there are very few girls on the street. I have a friend who routinely gets girls in the park and he says that lately they've all disappeared. Sounds like more crackdowns by the Social Evils brigade. What a pity. VN has so much potential in this regard -- much prettier girls than Thailand, girls who need money. If VN govt really wants the country to become developed and successful it should harness its most valuable natural resource -- its poon. What a mecca this place could be, if not for the commie dogmatists.