Pattaya Reports

[Terry Terrier]

Angelwitch,

This is free to get in. Sure, the drinks are more expensive than the bars. You pay extra to watch the great shows.

Tony's. Normally a great selection of girls. You get girls that have finished their day or night job. That could be Pattaya office workers or Pattaya bar workers. You get freelancers and, during Thai holidays and weekends there is the added bonus of Bangkok office girls. Again, free to get in with live shows. Tony is normally on stage doing his thing. Drinks are expensive. I think last time a small Heineken cost me 250 Baht.

Lucifers. The club at the back is normally packed with girls. Again, the same scenario as Tony's with a cross selection of girls. The last time I was there I sat with 4 office workers from Bangkok. They all worked for Isuzu. To me they all looked stunning. It's not that dark. The thing with the office workers, in Pattaya for a long weekend, is that they really like to be shagged. They might only visit Pattaya twice a year and are really up for it. Obviously you have to buy drinks. These drinks will cost more than a normal bar fine but, in most cases, you won't have to pay them.

Con: They might try to get you to put a ring on their finger.

Con also: At the bar prices in Tony and Lucifer, the girl better be worth it if you don't pick her up sharpish.

[DG69]

in any case, the point is prices have gone up because there simply isn't much of the stuff available, not because a few insecure nincompoops try to impress prostitutes by overpaying.

most likely true, but that isn't all. first of all there are less supply, since the poverty is lower and the population increase is low now in thailand. there are some foreign girls at least in bangkok (middle eastern and russian cater mostly the indian and arab clientel), than african girls. also, from other asian countries, for example reasently i talked with two philippine girls whose work now in bankok. but, also true many more thai girls work abroad than foreign girls work in thailand.
thecost of living in bangkok and pattaya is high, so the prices for p4p do also rise. the thai currency is strong against european and us currency as in many asian countries now. and last but not least punter pay serious cash for pretty girls, so why should they go for small money?
i can have cheaper p4p in my home town frankfurt, even with prettier girls. i still spend my hollyday in thailand, but it was not like before a easy decision. i had plans just to stay a few days in thailand and than head to jakarta. but, i got a little lazy, is still funny in the clubs and i know already some pretty freelancer who provide decent service for normal prices. so, i have doubt, that i will buy a ticket to jakarta. it's most likely alot of hazzle to find the right hotel and to get familar with the situation there.
but, that means also i have to extent my visa, since my hollyday is longer than 30 days.
or can a someone give good advice about the best airline to jakarta, decent, gf and not too expensive hotel in the center of the action in jakarta?

[Opebo]

...who wants to pay to be patronized and insulted by petulant morons?

i had to comment on this sentence - isn't that what most chaps are doing in pattaya, after all? and certainly those who overpay or visit the higher-end venues.

which brings me to the recent topic of payment and 'the market' - while i do consider over-payers to be foolish characters i don't think they're precisely to blame for the rampant price increase in thailand.

the reason the higher quality girls are more or less unaffordable for most of us nowadays is simply that there is a terrible inadequacy of supply. population growth is nil in thailand, and there are lots of other employment opportunities. even for the minority of girls who prefer the easy money of prostitution to more strenuous toils, there are so many well-off thai men now that they can have the easy money without ever having to put up with the hated farang. again, here i am only talking about the very attractive girls - as we all know thais would never have relations with about 90% of the girls in pattaya, much less pay for it.

in any case, the point is prices have gone up because there simply isn't much of the stuff available, not because a few insecure nincompoops try to impress prostitutes by overpaying.

[Betong]

. . . the market develops to accommodate varying price points. That development brings with it more of everything.

Finally, someone here who understands economics. I've given up trying to explain how giving a generous tip does not in fact 'ruin the market for all of us', though I am still waiting to hear if getting freebie helps the market for all of us, and if not, then why not.

[Finrod]

Went to Pattaya over the weekend to escape the shennanigans in BKK. Tried out walking street first - went into several go-gos but the girls seem to want 2000 for ST. Tried Peppermint, Airport...a few others. If I'm going to pay 2000 for ST I might as well go to Baccara or Rainbow 4 in BKK where I can get a real stunner for that price. Escaped over to soi 6 instead - 300 bf + 700 st gets you laid. Sorted.

Another instance of business is slow so they raise their prices? I was on Walking St in January and got a gogo girl for 2000 for LT in addition to the barfine. Decent service, too.

[LittleBigMan]

Went to Pattaya over the weekend to escape the shennanigans in BKK. Tried out walking street first - went into several go-gos but the girls seem to want 2000 for ST. Tried Peppermint, Airport...a few others. If I'm going to pay 2000 for ST I might as well go to Baccara or Rainbow 4 in BKK where I can get a real stunner for that price. Escaped over to soi 6 instead - 300 bf + 700 st gets you laid. Sorted.

That is very true Mangofan but in your own words "to escape the shennanigans in BKK, so not too many choices that is close to BKK, now you did the right thing and Escape to Soi 6.

LBM

[Evianist]

...here as this is a very sensitive topic on this forum. The way this works, both in theory and in practice as it is does every single day (Q.E.D.), is that it the market develops to accommodate varying price points. That development brings with it more of everything -- more high budget and more low budget, more sense of opportunity which attracts more girls, etc.

Like real estate, consumer products, and pretty much everything else that is sold in the world, the "luxury" segment plays a very large role in the development of the cheaper segments. Where there is no premium segment, the cheap goods are almost always available only for the truly poor, of very shoddy quality, and not available to or even really known by most of us.

Your theory doesn't work because you're citing a man who goes into a gogo where the offer price for a girl is say 2000 baht/ST and he gives her 32,000/ST simply because he wants to flash it.

That's the equivalent of shopping for $200,000 homes, finding one you like and then bidding $3.2m just because you feel like throwing some money around. Or paying $500 for a $30 toaster.

Would anyone, even extremely wealthy people, do that? Of course not. It's nonsensical and would benefit no one.

It would be different to go into an extremely high class gogo bar featuring nothing but stunners who provide very high levels of service and paying the offer price of 32,000 baht. That would be the equivalent of the high-end markets for real estate or consumer products.

[Mangofan]

Went to Pattaya over the weekend to escape the shennanigans in BKK. Tried out walking street first - went into several go-gos but the girls seem to want 2000 for ST. Tried Peppermint, Airport...a few others. If I'm going to pay 2000 for ST I might as well go to Baccara or Rainbow 4 in BKK where I can get a real stunner for that price. Escaped over to soi 6 instead - 300 bf + 700 st gets you laid. Sorted.

[Bonzo1]

What?

You think if a guy pays $1000 for a girl, it makes things better for guys with tight budgets?

I can't even understand how your mind came to that conclusion.

It only revs up the scene located within 10cms of the guy throwing money around. Everywhere else in the bar it creates a vacuum.

...here as this is a very sensitive topic on this forum. The way this works, both in theory and in practice as it is does every single day (Q.E.D.), is that it the market develops to accommodate varying price points. That development brings with it more of everything -- more high budget and more low budget, more sense of opportunity which attracts more girls, etc.

Like real estate, consumer products, and pretty much everything else that is sold in the world, the "luxury" segment plays a very large role in the development of the cheaper segments. Where there is no premium segment, the cheap goods are almost always available only for the truly poor, of very shoddy quality, and not available to or even really known by most of us.

Peace.

[Saint Mint]

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P) Angelwitch
Pros: they have the best shows, one part involving a boa constrictor
Cons: expensive
B) Tony's
Pros: place looks nice
Cons: clientele always seems shady to me so I avoid Tony's
C) Lucifer's
Pros: huge; front 1/3 has a live band and rear 2/3 has a large dance club
Cons: dark so tough to see what the girls look like

Angelwitch,

This is free to get in. Sure, the drinks are more expensive than the bars. You pay extra to watch the great shows.

Tony's. Normally a great selection of girls. You get girls that have finished their day or night job. That could be Pattaya office workers or Pattaya bar workers. You get freelancers and, during Thai holidays and weekends there is the added bonus of Bangkok office girls. Again, free to get in with live shows. Tony is normally on stage doing his thing. Drinks are expensive. I think last time a small Heineken cost me 250 Baht.

Lucifers. The club at the back is normally packed with girls. Again, the same scenario as Tony's with a cross selection of girls. The last time I was there I sat with 4 office workers from Bangkok. They all worked for Isuzu. To me they all looked stunning. It's not that dark. The thing with the office workers, in Pattaya for a long weekend, is that they really like to be shagged. They might only visit Pattaya twice a year and are really up for it. Obviously you have to buy drinks. These drinks will cost more than a normal bar fine but, in most cases, you won't have to pay them.

Con: They might try to get you to put a ring on their finger.

[Member #3428]

After Tansak KTV is through with them, they don't want money ... only a chance to escape ...

For some girls this is true unfortunately.

[Evianist]

And hey, I'm not gonna spend USD 10,000 on a pussy in Pattaya (or even probably 1000)...but if I did it only would create the illusion among the other girls that that is possible, which helps everyone, even those with tighter budgets.

So go for it man -- flash money! It's not only your prerogative and your right, and in our experience provides options we wouldn't have otherwise (therefore really in our own interest), it actually helps the entire scene!

What?

You think if a guy pays $1000 for a girl, it makes things better for guys with tight budgets?

I can't even understand how your mind came to that conclusion.

It only revs up the scene located within 10cms of the guy throwing money around. Everywhere else in the bar it creates a vacuum.

[Bun Biter]

Hi guys,

I'll be in Pattaya for a few days in July and am wondering wether there is massage place similar to Akane massage in Bangkok?

Thanks in advance. BB

[Bonzo1]

Depending on how many guys you have got you could take some or all of the rooms on the 5th floor of the Penthouse hotel . Most of the Party rooms have two double beds sex swings double jazuzzis etc etc I think they will alos let you have a private party in the swimming pool. I know 2 guys did their 50th birthday there with 15 girls.

Thanks, but I won't be staying there again. Very cool place, but horrible, horrible service and extreme attitude problems. Who wants to pay to be patronized and insulted by petulant morons? Or sleep with termites and other bugs? Vault is much better as the owner is a very good guy, and the stripper poles are great fun and the girls love them.

But for this trip, I'm gonna be in a villa with a pool. I'm imagining lots of girls in bikinis around said pool. Maybe the imagination is even better than the reality!

[Bonzo1]

In addition, a comment -- we all have our own way of enjoying the fantasy. Ultimately that's what it all comes down to, I suppose. I personally have tried being cheap (I'm just not that good at it, and tend to get horrible experiences), been mostly slightly generous, and at times been insanely generous. The middle one has worked out best for me, but it would be presumptuous at best to extrapolate that and conclude that everyone should follow that path. Different strokes for different folks.

One thing, which is very controversial here, is that I actually enjoy when I see people flashing big money. I recall when I was young and poor watching with envy when others did it (thousands or tens of thousands of USD), and more selfishly I thought they rev'd up the scene for me - and I exploited the shit out of that! I was in America at the time and the pussy wasn't cheap to begin with. Why people complain about BSD's ruining the market here is totally beyond me, since we with money are actually helping those with more limited funds create a vibrant and plentiful market. And hey, I'm not gonna spend USD 10,000 on a pussy in Pattaya (or even probably 1000)...but if I did it only would create the illusion among the other girls that that is possible, which helps everyone, even those with tighter budgets.

So go for it man -- flash money! It's not only your prerogative and your right, and in our experience provides options we wouldn't have otherwise (therefore really in our own interest), it actually helps the entire scene!

Cheers,

-B-

Not that hard of a concept really but one that goes against what most mongers do and one I'll get flamed for but we all have our own styles.

First I don't give money to girls I just meet or just know so it's not like I'm throwing money to every tramp that walks by. Second its not every day I'm donating 100 USD. But I travel to PI, BKK and recently Chonburi often so I get known at certain places and get known by a decent amount of girls.

If a girl is in a pinch and need some cash I don't mind fronting 1. 3 K baht (or a couple thousand peso) to them. Usually in return they will come over when I call them, come before work or after work to my room saving me bar fines, service me for no pay later to pay off their debt at a reduced rate (2 for 1), bring over or introduce a new girl to me (fresh meat on the market), do a three some or offer up anal, video, pictures, etc. To me when they don't do with most others. But they are girls I've been with before and from places that know me well.

Say for example I go to Walking Street and I pick up a girl and she pulls a "I only want short time BS to me after we start". Or I nail her two times and she wants to run for the hills and take just taxi money to get the hell away from me (has been known to happen), so I got some names and numbers of girls to come over at 3 am who know what I like and what to do and will show up without any fuss or muss. Or say I want to tap something at 9 or 10 am (pretty hard to find quality at that hour in Pattay atleast for me) so I can just send some text messages and get one to come over easily.

I also do not mind buying up some vendor food for ladies waiting their turn for a handsum man to pick them even if I'm not going to nail them that day. I also usually will buy a Black Label or some bottle for the girls at the bars I normally go to for the girls to drink up the day or two before I leave (1,000 baht for a bottle per each bar, big deal). I like having a big rolodex of girls to call on in various parts of the world for the "worst case scenerio's" etc. This has served me well over the years. Plus the word on what I like, how I like it usually spreads very fast around the bars I frequent.

So for me to front up some cash it's not a big deal and the ROI (return on investments) usually come back double what I put out. True and of course I've had some investments that did not pan out but I'm equal or above in most things. I do better at this investment then the stock market.

Recent examples. A girl gets a new apartment (7,000 baht a month), is studying english (4 K a month), and is taking care of family in Isaan (15 K a month). She can't make rent she says. She has no sponsor. She asks for some cash to help that month due to fewer customers. I front some cash, 4,000 baht. She says she will open up her apartment to me to stay there (soi AR). Can bring girls with me and / or she will bring girls to join us. Normally or lately I've stayed at a serviced apartment where a 1 bedroom apartment is 800 baht a night on Soi AR. So now at worst case, I get a fall back apartment to take girls to, and or I get her and a friend of hers and other favors, or just stay with her as she and her friends know I'm a major whatre.

How do I know this will come true? Because when she lived on Naklur (spelling?) Soi 27 I had her old room key and nailed her room mates for free (Feb 2010). She would stay in my apartment, I'd wake up motorbike to her room and nail her room mates. I paid their rent that month, 4 K, and I got free access to their room and between the legs of the room mates (yes even a few times while they were talking on the phone to their sponsors.) for two plus weeks (18 days).

Another example. Girl needs to sell her home, she already owes me money, she asked for a few more baht. I did, and she did sell her home and she put the money in my K bank account. This is a girl who brought me 3 girls to BKK (including her younger sister) to stay at GP with me and did everything we could imagine. But before I give a girl 100 bucks I know them and start with small funds and see how the performance and such is. But for 3,000 baht (100 USD) investment now and then it can pay you back in spades.

HOWEVER. I'm not a two week wonder, I repeat, my stays are 2 to 3 weeks long every visit and I am there often. The bar owners and mamsan's know me. If a girl royally screws me over she knows I know her bosses. And I generally run things past the mamasan / owners in the bars in PI and Thai first to see which girls are full of bolabola / Ko hok. And it is surprising how much the other bar girls talk about their co workers (and about girls from other bars) so it's easy to figure out who to deal with.

We all got our own style, but I'll invest in certain bars and it has served me well. When one girl goes out of circulation (sponsored or her sponsor is in town) I get her new number, she still sees me on the side, and she also recommends replacements or temp girls to fill in for them when they just can't meet up.

I'm not making merit. I look at it as investment in getting proper services on demand.

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