Panama City

[Iguana Six]

Upon landing in the airport the previous day, I tried reaching my favorite cabbie to pick me up and had no luck. I was able to get a decent ride into town, by catching a cab on the upstairs/departure level, a move that probably saved me $10, a lot of haggling, and some time. Catching a cabbie that just dropped of a fare is the way to go.

When I could not reach other people on my contact list, I started to suspect there was something wrong with my phone. I took it to one of the of the phone shops across from the Oasis. Sure enough, the age of of the phone was the culprit. After a year or two, and it is probably tied to my intermittant use, the chip died. Fortunately, a new chip cost only $3....although it did come with a whole new phone number.

With a working cell phone, I started working down my list of favoritas. Top on the list was the small petite blond Paisa who had "gone independent" from GT. No response. Next was the slim morenita Panamanian who had gone independent from Relax Oriental. No response. Another possibility was the tall mainland Chinese immigrant semi/non pro I met through the flaky Kuna chick a couple of years back. No response.

Sunday,

[Iguana Six]

Spent a week in PTY this month. With just six nights, I wanted to hit my familiar haunts and recon new ones.

The first night that I got into town, I checked out the pickings at the Veneto Casino, but was not impressed with either the quality or the quantity. Being a Sunday night, I figured my best bet was Golden Times. It is in El Dorado neighborhood. Have a cab to take you to the Casino Fantastic, go inside for a few minutes while your cabbie either gets another fare or drives away, then walk up the hill to the Popeye's Chicken and the strip mall with GT. It will prevent him from following you to GT, exacting a $10 bonus from GT, and jacking up your price for a session from $84 to $94.

Much has been written about GT here. No need to re-hash what has been written before. It is clean, comfortable, and if you have asian features and can pass for a local Chinese-Panamanian, you will be charged only $44. ($4 pays for your free drink and washing the sheets/towels, $40 pays the club, and $40 pays your provider.) The owner is Chinese and let's in his countrymen for "cost." The providers represent the top 20% percentile of the talent you would find working in Colombia: some are the plastic surgeried/contact lensed/bleached blond/liposuctioned export models, some in their more natural state. The quality of the GT lineup was epic in 2007 and 2008: 34-38 Colombians in the 8 and above category. In 2009, it was down to 14 Colombians and even a few Panamanians(!) and the occassional Dominican, in the 6 and 7 category. Maybe it was the recession, maybe it was the immigration raids. But the quality is back in by mid-June of 2010.

Some have complained the place is too clinical and the girls too mechanical, but that has rarely been my experience.

When you sit on the comfortable easy chair in the waiting room, do ask for one of the Post It note pads and pencil, and do take down the numbers of the girls that strike your fancy when they parade the girls in, one at a time.
Sure, you can have the "traffic manager" call in any of the girls in to room to sit beside you and talk, but the interview begins when they walk in one at a time, smile at you, and silently try to convince you to call them in, and it is a two way process.

Sure, she is trying to convince you to pick them, but are you convincing her that she should be glad if you pick her? That moment that she walks in, tries to pick out the most likely customer (if there is more than one of you in the sitting room) and flash her sexiest smile, what are you doing? Sure, you are checking out her chasis, but are you also sizing up her demeanor? Are you sizing up what kind of performance she might give? Sure, she wants to be picked, but is she in the mood to be phucked? A good session, a GFE starts when she walks in. Are you scowling or distracted? Are you making eye contact, smiling back, and starting to make her feel attractive and wanted and playful?

I've never had a mechanical experience at GT, and most of my sessions have been downright incredible. I've picked out pretty girls, but mostly I was looking for pretty and horny, or pretty and playful girls. I've had luck picking out the playful and the horny from a line up of 30, my hunches usually refined by either a second strut of the line up for another customer, and often confirmed by a waiting room interview.

I've been lucky in spotting a particular kind of GT girl. The best ones are "fresh off the boat," having just arrived in Panama. They might have arrived just a few days earlier and are still new, eager to please, eager to establish her own set of "regulars," owe thousands on their contract (for plane fare, immigration paperwork, and room/board), and will be eager to meet you off-campus for a longer, less rushed, and more GF experience.

Camilla (I forgot her number...number 5, maybe?)was only the third prettiest in the platoon of providers that night, but with a long shock of brunnette hair, a "bunda" that I could have used for bongo drums, soft pillow lips that framed a winsome smile, and an impressive set of breasts, she had a "I'm actually kinda horny," vibe I could not resist during the walk-through.

When we talked, I found out Camilla had arrived on Thursday. She spent Friday inprocessing, Saturday unpacking and resting, and had no customers on Saturday night, her first day at work. She hadn't done this kind of work in Colombia. She was eager to begin paying off her debt and as we established a quick chemistry, she realized that I would be an excellent first customer, one she could pretend to be "novios" with.

She agreed to use the femidom, but for a first time, she insisted on CBJ. We went upstairs and had a very nice session. She originally resisted DFK, but a good interview, followed up by displays of cleanliness, friendly banter, and an unspoken agreement to treat this like a booty call between new friends rather than her first P4P transaction allowed her to change her mind later.

With her clothes off, the promise of a big bubble butt was fulfilled, and I was surprised to find out that she had breast surgery, but it was reduction surgery to avoid back problems and turn her cantelopes into mangos. I DATY and she came so hard, I could tell she needed a few minutes to recover, which I did while giving her a gentle, post-climax licking. When her breathing returned to normal, she pulled my face up to hers and gave me the most grateful kisses I've gotten in years. The BJ was covered, but very nice. During the FS she came again in missionary, another breathless, eye-rolling event, and that she really needed to rest. Camilla told me that after two orgasms she was pretty drained and couldn't keep up that kind of pace at which point I switched to spoons to come. The site of her long back and curvy butt excited me to climax and afterwards, we climaxed.

She refused any photos, but she did want to exchange numbers, her real name, and an invitation to meet off campus. Success all around.

[Voyajer1]

It is the best valued hotel in the Cangrejo area. It lacks a lot of amenities of the major hotels, but for the money and location, you can't go wrong.

Has anyone stayed at this hotel and can give me their personal assessment/comparison with similarly priced hotels? From what I can find online, this one seems to be rated better than other ones in the Cangrejo district. I'd appreciate any info.

[Tu Madre]

This was my first trip back to Panama in a few years and I have been there multiple times before for business and pleasure. Had wanted to go to Medellin, but given the presidential elections opted to go back to Panama. Normally stay at the Marriott, but given the problems with bringing girls back I opted for the Veneto and got a rate of $104/night. I believe if you are part of wyndham's frequent guest program you get free wifi access.

The veneto is ok, I'd give it 3. 3. 5 stars. I think some of the room are beginning to show their age. Obviously the location is the biggest benefit here. The casino is fun too and the drinks at the bar are cheap.

Ended up only meeting up 2 pros (one from oasis, another from the veneto) and a non-pro I've known for a long time now. The non-pro has a car and we were able to head over Playa Langosta near Isla Grande (caribbean side) for a day. Recommended if you want to get out of the city.

Oasis is kinda seedy, but I suppose it does have a certain charm to it. The lunch time special is a great deal at $60 and the girl I had, Jackie (half Chinese / panamanian) was a sweetheart and gave a much better performance than anything you will get at Golden Times. When I went, the lineup consisted of only 2 girls and from which I understand this is not normal.

I ended up pulling a girl from the veneto, a panamanian girl named Vikki. $80 plus $10 tip (she originally asked for $120). Excellent in the sack and a fun girl.

On Sunday night I tried going to La Bodeguita, from 11 pm to 1 am. Was not impressed at all. It did rain around midnight, which prolly prevented more girls from coming out.

On the last night of the trip, I switched to the Courtyard Marriott at Multiplaza. Nice place and a good deal if you want to burn some points. There is a grocery store (riba smith) that is connected to multiplaza along with high end shopping, movie theater, and plenty of places to eat. The hotel is guest friendly and much nicer than the Veneto. However, no nightlife is walking distance (Veneto is $2. $3 cab ride away).

Be advised to always carry a copy of your passport. I saw la migra go into the veneto and pulls some girls. They also stopped me and asked to see it (I was on the ground floor, not the casino floor).

For dining, Manolo's in front of the veneto is a good cheap place to eat as well as Costa Azul near the Marriott.

My taxi ride both to and from the airport were $20 each (cab driver covered the tolls). If you think your taxi driver is honest, ask for his business card and arrange trips through him. I met some other gringos that had hired a cab for the day to take them to all the local spots (causeway, Panama la vieja, canal, etc). They were charged $80, which is a major rip-off in my mind, but they seemed fine with it. Also, get a local cell phone (or a SIM card if you bring a GSM phone from the states that is unlocked) at Mas Movil, Movistar, or whatever. Via veneto has lots of stores to buy them in.

For non-pros, as mentioned before having a wingman and knowledge of Spanish helps tremendously. Calle Uruguay is decent, but from what I understand, the new cool area to head out to is called "Zona Viva. " It is in Amador right at the beginning of the Causeway. It's basically a bunch of bars/clubs in an outdoor setting. Didn't head out there, but drove by it and it looked promising.

All in all, Panama continues to be just "ok. " I may change my mind after I go to Medellin later this year and never head back to Panama. To me, Thailand continues to be my personal favorite, but way too far from the states to be able to go often.

[Fla Leo]

Has anyone stayed at this hotel and can give me their personal assessment/comparison with similarly priced hotels? From what I can find online, this one seems to be rated better than other ones in the Cangrejo district. I'd appreciate any info.

[GauntMan]

Hello people!!!

Just to give some last minute tips about the ongoing things down here.
There is a MAJOR enforcing now on alcohol meters, background checks and the like.
The police got ahold of a little tool jacked wirelessly to a database where it will show if you are wanted for any charge or if you have any traffice tickets pending.
It is extremely suggested(not to say mandatory) to carry papers proving that you got into the country legally, basically a copy of your passport and the the tourist card will do.
If you are driving, avoid major avenues, as the police likes to put checkpoints and they will make you blow in the alcohol meter.
Play safe and if you have a wingman or local driver, make sure he doesnt drinks or drinks a very very minimum of alcohol

[A Fuegon]

I'm back stateside from my most recent trip to PTY. Picking brains wasn't a priority as there were more interesting subjects IN hand. LA migra is digging deeper, there was a raid last night (thursday) in which they actually entered la bodeguita and veneto, I think it was a first. Seems like they drug out a fair amount of girls from veneto. I was in la bodeguita and saw only 4 girls taken away and a few more were taken from habanos. Sad times in pty.

[A Fuegon]

A Fuegon, in answer to your question the independents do not set the price, that is decided by them and the customer unless the the customer refuses to negotiate. The problem with this new development is that the Moulin Rouge people are getting rid of ALL the independents so that the only option you will have is to go to a "house" and pay whatever they want to charge. It will be an Ok price for the hour- but if you want to socialize with the girl outside the club you'll have to pay a ton to get them out and for their time. Unlike with the independents you can meet them and maybe get them to like you and they'll go dancing etc. with you for no extra charge- it's all up to the girl.

The other downside to this Moulin Rouge catastrophe is that at present there are thousands of guys that go down per year and there are hundreds of girls working. The guys go to Habanos sometimes and to the clubs or houses other times. If Moulin Rouge is successful in chasing all the independents away, there will only be a few dozen "house" girls. Much, much less selection and the ones who are working will be doing high volume so service will go down. There is also the possibility that most guys probably will go to another country and the whole scene including the houses will get very small. Everyone loses.

Which substantiates my comments. There are other businesses that will lose too much if the swiss guy get his way. I can only think that they will try to put up some resistance to the Moulin Rouge fiasco, if in fact it is accurate info. I will be back in Panama Wednesday and will pick the brains of some of my stress relieving girls.

[Diesel85]

FYI,

Panama is still looking good. While I understand the issues people are having with the prices I believe Panama still has the goods and IMHO its better quality women than St Marteen and Curacao at the moment.

Been there like yesterday so,

Golden Time-Has good looking women from Pamela Anderson Baywatch types to natural non enhanced. $74 1/2 hr, $105 1hr, $375 TLN

Le Palace-still the best for stunning women. Period. New price structure.

$250 2-3hrs $140 House

$400TLN $190 House! Good experiences across the board just say what you want and negotiate before you decide to pay

Yes

IMHO it is worth going down there if you have hundreds of girls to choose from and options on paying and the chance to socialize. But with the pricing listed here and if there are only "House" girls as an option it would be foolish to pay for airfare and hotel as there are pretty girls available even New York for $150 on Craigslist these days.

[Diesel85]

Agreed that Panama is looking good compared to Curacao and St. Marteen but those places stink.

As to your question to where else you can go to have Playboy women- you can go to Costa Rica, Colombia, Brazil, Dominican Republic, Argentina, Peru and a ton of Asian places as well. You will get a ton of selection and much better pricing than Panama.

A Fuegon, in answer to your question the independents do not set the price, that is decided by them and the customer unless the the customer refuses to negotiate. The problem with this new development is that the Moulin Rouge people are getting rid of ALL the independents so that the only option you will have is to go to a "house" and pay whatever they want to charge. It will be an Ok price for the hour- but if you want to socialize with the girl outside the club you'll have to pay a ton to get them out and for their time. Unlike with the independents you can meet them and maybe get them to like you and they'll go dancing etc. with you for no extra charge- it's all up to the girl.

The other downside to this Moulin Rouge catastrophe is that at present there are thousands of guys that go down per year and there are hundreds of girls working. The guys go to Habanos sometimes and to the clubs or houses other times. If Moulin Rouge is successful in chasing all the independents away, there will only be a few dozen "house" girls. Much, much less selection and the ones who are working will be doing high volume so service will go down. There is also the possibility that most guys probably will go to another country and the whole scene including the houses will get very small. Everyone loses.

[Sato San]

FYI,

Panama is still looking good. While I understand the issues people are having with the prices I believe Panama still has the goods and IMHO its better quality women than St Marteen and Curacao at the moment.

Been there like yesterday so,

Golden Time-Has good looking women from Pamela Anderson Baywatch types to natural non enhanced. $74 1/2 hr, $105 1hr, $375 TLN

Le Palace-still the best for stunning women. Period. New price structure.

$250 2-3hrs $140 House

$400TLN $190 House! Good experiences across the board just say what you want and negotiate before you decide to pay

Yes, I know, but where else can you have sex with girls out of a Playboy Magazine. I don't have the time to date chicas or have them during the day. There are MANY Americans there, so I guess the recession is not biting as much. I go to elite but don't like. Not the $30 drinks cover charge or the high house prices. Like the dancing but chicas better at Le Palace if you hav the cash flow. GT best value for your dollar.

[A Fuegon]

I truly must be missing something here. The girls hang out at habanos as freelancers, right? I 've walked out with a few girls and have haggled down their $150/hr prices to sub $100 for a few hours. That doesn't sound to me like habanos has much influence on the pricing or whether there is a cut for them. Something just isn't fitting here, to me. I know they remodeld Habanos and all, I just thought they were trying to make it more appealing to the gringos, hence the jack up in drink prices. I guess i'll have to be a bit more inquisitive as my curiosity has been sparked.

On the other hand, if ithat's the case, Habanos has everythng to lose here. Is " the suizo" just to big and he's gonna tromple all over habanos? The cubans over @ la bodeguita will have much to lose as well. This sounds extremely interesting as it has the makings to start a nasty fued amongst business owners, local and possibly international governments as the corruption will be exposed and hung out for everyone to see.

[Joey Smith]

Check out the article he was talking about.

http://www.panama-guide.com/article....00606123413370

Time to put the Swiss Miss out of business.

Easy to circulate the word what this Swiss Miss is trying to do.

[Diesel85]

Like Habanos the Moulin Rouge people are charging a lot for the drinks, to me that is not a big issue as you can drink elsewhere or not at all. What bothers me is the price structure they are putting on the girls. The last time I was there they were looking to get $110 for 40 minutes.

These guys may very well be the worse businessmen in Panama. First, they are trying to put a first world price structure in a third world country, which will not fly. Then, they are trying to elimate all the competition from the independents to squeeze people into paying their prices. This is idiotic because the vast majority of people living in Panama won't pay those type of extortion prices and with them chasing off all the independents, the tourists who visit for that type of stuff will simply choose other locations like Costa Rica, Colombia, Dominican Republic, and a dozen other locations that have a vibrant, diverse and reasonably priced scene.

All they would have to do is lower their price to $90 for an hour and make their drink prices semi-reasonable and they'd have all the business they want. They'd be $10 under the asking price of the independents and in line with Miami and Golden Time and the clients would most likely choose to go to Moulin Rouge and avoid the cab hassle etc. Instead, they seem to want to want to chase the thousands of tourists a year that come for that away to other locales, shrink the selection and draw to Panama and ultimately probably put themselves out of business.

[Voyajer1]

Check out the article he was talking about.
http://www.panama-guide.com/article....00606123413370

According to a report on panama-guide.com, it looks like the people in charge of the new joint Moulin Rouge on Via Veneto are the ones behind the clean-up of independents.

It appears as if they are trying to force a very high price structure on clients and must eliminate as much competition as they can to force people to play their game. Hope the public becomes aware of this and boycotts this place.

It's a real shame as the action in Panama was diverse, fun and plentiful. Me and my friends would go down every few months and always have a great time. We just got back and without Habanos or Bodegita and the availability of independents it's nowhere near the same. We've decided to go to Colombia or Costa Rica until (if) things get back to normal there.