Kyiv

[Kurenda]

Should be posted in other areas; however, I reside in a provicial city in East Ukraine

So when we are going to see some good report on Lugansk?

[Jojosun]

The best way I found to get the hot ones of RP, and there are quite few of them, at discounted prices is the following.

Everytime I got approached by a hot one, I just tell her I can only meet her the following day early evening (give me your phone no, I call you, says I).

I never discussed prices, but when I did phone some of them the following day they were more than willing to do few hours for $150. Happy hour prices.

I am sure the semi pros and there were some students, would even accept $100, in the afternoon.

[Mellowtrax]

1. Why should you lie that your last 2 young hot girls cost you $190 for 24 hours?

Uhhh, let's see, because no one has yet invented telling a lie?

Why don't you just prove it, and post one photo?

2. Bad pizza sucks! Throw that shit out. Eating bad pizza is for schmucks! Go find the good stuff.

3. I don't REALLY need to fuck 10 girls a week, it just takes me that many to find one or two that I really want to fuck again, because to be honest, most are really just average, only a few are what we like to call superstars. And they are what its all about. So I guess I really do!

Hi Bez,

1. I did post some photos in my Kiev report (#6565) to give some perspective. You might have missed them. I wrote that I met with two girls for 2 days for 750 USD (6000 UAH); or 190 USD each for 24 hours. Pics of the girls are 5+6 in my report. Or do you want me to take pics of the money exchanging hands or a photo of a receipt?

2. The problem with bad pizza is that you pay for the pizza before you taste it. As I wrote in one of my previous reports I don’t pay the full amount to start with. Half when we meet, the rest when she leaves. This often motivates the girls to perform and keep the deal (services that we agreed to).

3. I guess we all have different method of operation. Personally, I hate disappointments. That’s why I spend a lot of time to correspond with the girls before we meet to avoid fucking 10 girls to find 1 or 2 to keep. Of course you can still get disappointed, but knowing the girls in advance helps me to decrease the risk of disappointment compared to calling a random chick from Top-models or Minuet.

About quotation. You did it again. You quoted me for writing “Sex is like pizza, when it’s bad it’s still good. I don’t throw it out”. What I actually wrote was “In that case I don’t eat up and throw the rest out and hope my next pizza is excellent“. You see my point? The word ”don’t” in your quotation completely changes the meaning of what I wrote.

I still consider myself a newbie in Kiev. I have now been there 3 times this year, so I’m starting to learn the game. All beginning is difficult, and like most newbies I have also made mistakes, overpaid and been scammed. However, as honest as I am about these facts, I am equally honest in my reports about prices, facts etc. ISG was a huge help for me before my first visit, and I want my reports to be a help for other newbies… by writing trustworthy reports.

Finally a little perspective about prices in Kiev. Prices are vague. What I pay for a girl is not necessarily the same other people pay. It all depends on services, the market and circumstances. It turns out that another monger only paid the two girls, whom I paid 1400 UAH, 1000 UAH, and in this case also for 2 hours and the same services. Does this mean that I overpaid 400 UAH? Perhaps. Or maybe the girls liked the other guy more than me. Or maybe the other guy is a better negotiator. Or maybe the girls were more in need of money then. These questions will never be answered. Only GIA and other sites have set prices. On Mamba the code word is in deed negotiate, negotiate, negotiate!

Mellow

[Bez Bezarra]

Hi Bez

Please don’t call me a liar.

If you want to quote me then why edit me?

1. Sex is like pizza, when it’s bad it’s still good. I don’t throw it out and hope my next pizza is excellent.

2. I paid my two young and hot last girls 190 USD for 24 hours. Why should I lie?

3. We are all different regarding taste and desire. I don’t need to fuck 10 or 20 different girls in a week.

Some people are just better negotiating than you are?

Mel

Dearest Mel,

You certainly are a mellow fellow! No hard feelings, ok? I really admire you, so don't get the wrong idea.

If I wanted to call you a liar, I would have written, "Trix is a bloody liar!" Please re-check my post and you'll notice that's not there.

Why edit your quote?

Simply for time and content, my esteemed colleague, that's all. The purpose is to cut out what's not necessary, AND to put the stress exactly where it needs to be. Most people write a lot of extraneous material that makes the important point, that I am emphasizing has a problem, a little less clear. Editing just boils it down to the realest deal. Many writers don't get that, but the point is, most readers do.

You make the most important point of all, and that's why I like your style.

Thank God we all have different taste, it would be so incredibly boring if we all wanted the same thing!

And another gem, Sex IS Pizza! Hell yes!

Now let's disagree.

Bad pizza sucks! Throw that shit out. Eating bad pizza is for schmucks! Go find the good stuff. Don't lower yourself and settle for crap when good stuff is out there somewhere.

Why should you lie that your last 2 young hot girls cost you $190 for 24 hours?
Uhhh, let's see, because no one has yet invented telling a lie?
Why don't you just prove it, and post one photo?
You'll go from suspicious to instantly credible.
Young and hot on your scale could be a 25 year old mother of 3.
On my scale, what you call young and hot could be a 4 out of 10.
Post some pics, give us some perspective.
If you're not afraid to.
Remember, that's your duty as a member of this forum, to do the most that you can to contribute.
Anyone can write how hot some girl was.
Only someone credible will back that up with a photo.
The rest are just, well, testicularly challenged.

I don't REALLY need to fuck 10 girls a week, it just takes me that many to find one or two that I really want to fuck again, because to be honest, most are really just average, only a few are what we like to call superstars. And they are what its all about. So I guess I really do!

Separate the wheat from the chaff, as they say.

Now let's agree again.

I AM absolutely one of the world's WORST negotiators! No doubt about it.

Now this depends of course. If I am standing in the doorway of some cat house in the provinces with my Russian driver, and some mamachka tells me that she wants $100 an hour for her new girl, even if she's 18 and cute and just started working yesterday, I'll still get her to come down to $60. Because if I don't, I've already instructed my driver to kick my ass. In fact, I just let him speak for me. I know, I'm a lazy bastard, but that's what I pay him for anyway, and he earns it, every kopek.

But if I find Miss Superstar styudenka through Mamba or my many other sources, take her out for chai, and get her up to my flat, and she is sitting, or even worse, seductively posing, in front of me, dangling her perfectly untouched body and angelic face a few inches from my filthy imagination, wiggling her little butt in my nose, and batting her beautiful eyes at me, my negotiating skills just took a 50 mile hike, and I can barely speak the words, "anything, anything you want, my angel!!!"

That's just the way it is, cause that's what its all about.

Last comment. Due to some difficulties, I haven't returned to the Ukrainian provinces since 2008, so I can't comment on what girls are willing to currently accept from an old fart like Bez, since the kreesis has affected the economy. And the Russian provinces that I have visited since then, are by no means, way the hell far out in bumfuckistan, so the price of everything of quality there is NOT cheap, kreesis or not. So I would listen to an Expert like our colleague Mr. Reiner Otto, who HAS been out there in the trenches carrying on the good fight.

He is the man. Now.

But I shall return.

[Uphigh]

On my way back from the provinces I had one night in Kiev. Since I was there, I wanted to see some of the places for myself. I'm a thrifty traveller so I was travelling by metro. First I went to shooters. I understand from the forum that there it's mix of pros, semi-pros and civilians. It's probably a ten minute walk from the Arsenalna metro station and was easy to find. I got there about nine and it was dead. Staff were friendly and the prices were reasonable. I think there was a cover charge, but I had arrived early enough to miss it.

Since shooters was dead and I knew I wanted to see River Palace with what little time I had, I headed out the door. I rode the metro one more stop (to Dnipro station), which is practically within spitting distance of River Palace. I headed in. The staff were friendly. It was dead at first, with only 3 or 4 girls. But around 10: 30 more started to arrive. By probably 11 it was probably up to 25 girls, and more girls than guys. I'm sure it gets busier later.

Firstly, a blond names Lisa sat beside me and started to work on me. She started at $300 and dropped immediately to $200 for an hour. I'm thrifty, got a bad vibe from her, and at that time didn't care whether I got any action or not (until later, when I started thinking with my dick). I offered $150 and she didn't move from $200. Later she asked me to pay for her 36UA drink, saying it was nothing for me. I'm frankly a bit tired of Ukrainians asking me to pay for stuff because "it's nothing for me", and I told her so. At home when I go out with rich friends I wouldn't send the bill to them because it's "nothing" to them. I still believe that normal Ukrainians aren't full-time money suckers, but there are plenty who are.

Next comes the stupid me part. Having determined that Lisa was not Ms. Right Now, I dropped over to the next table. And they saw me coming. Did I mention that I was about to be stupid? Blonde Olya and Brunnette Lena. Olya say early 30's and a 6 on the Ukraine looks scale, Lena probably mid 20's and a 7. 5 (in other words, being a Ukrainian 7. 5 Lena was a normal hot Ukrainian chick, or by way of reference a girl where in the west everyone would say shit that chick is HOT). Olya says $200. I say I'm on a budget but could do $150. Olya says ok 150, and it's for both of us. Alarm bells should have been ringing at that point. So we leave. Taxi to sauna 150 UA (ripoff). Sauna 200UA (normal). Then Olya says we agreed on 200 euros, not 200 dollars. Should have walked out right there. But I was stupid. So now we're up to $200 (which I didn't realize at the time is more than 150 euros, but are you surprised?). And they want $10 each for taxi. Then we hit the bedroom. Lena starts sucking my cock like a banshee. I reach for Olya thinking that I might as well enjoy her at the same time. Olya says pussy licking is an extra 300 and when I try to pull Olya over to touch her body Lena say "please, not comfortable". Yes, you can see how all this is going.

Lena jumps on me and starts riding me super hard and fast. Usually I don't come quickly, but I hadn't come for a few days, and she was riding me really hard. I almost came. Lena jumps off, changes condoms, and Olya jumps on. I came right away. Shit. Then they say flip over and we'll give you a massage. They proceed to give me a lame-ass massage for about 5 minutes, and then they hit the showers. At this point there wasn't much I could do. All of this took way less than an hour. I'm a nice guy and it's not in my nature to start yelling at people and blocking doorways, etc., and I'm sure Olya and Lena realized that and used it to their advantage. I did give them a pretty hard time and told them that they knew damn well it was unfair, but there wan't much to be done. Olya heading home to Boryspol, one foreigner fleeced, a night of work done. Lena headed I don't know where.

Conclusions: unlike me, use your brain. Forum members have said time and time again that especially in a place like river Palace, agree on exactly how much and exactly what is included. I stupidly did not follow this simple advice. Also, among the many things that went wrong, I would lean towards not taking two girls at once. It's a bit easier to browbeat one girl into giving you what she owes you, bit when two of them are chirping at you in a mix of Russian and English at a mile a minute it becomes harder to be forceful.

Anyway, a pretty pathetic performance by me, but I hope this helps emphasize the excellent advice given by others that you must agree on exactly what's included, and that River Palace can be a shark tank. Also, I would consider insisting on paying half at the beginning and half at the end, because girls like Olya and Lena were going to rip me off no matter how what was agreed on, so I think the only thing that would have kept them honest would have been to pay half at the end.

[Timmy21]

Should be posted in other areas; however, I reside in a provicial city in East Ukraine, I would say it's very doable to find a nice 18-20 yr. Old for around $150 all night, adaquate performance, and all night means 20:00, to 08:00, keep in mind I am not saying you'll find a price like this on Mamba.

[Reiner Otto]

2. Don't know about Mr. Mellow here, but even in the provinces, you'll be EXTREMELY lucky to find some 18 year old hottie that is willing to accept anything less than $150 for TWO hours, so you can forget about $250 for 24 hours.

Ok, I also have problems to find 18 year oldhotti. But beginning of 20ies, 7-8, standard rate is 300UHA-350UHA per hour.
I am really wondering, what you are considering provinces .... Of course, during summertime inYalta, prices are definitely higher.

[Mellowtrax]

As usual, its the Bez that has to enforce the truth here.

1. How exactly is, "spread your legs right now or get out and no money", not sex on command, which if its not good, then bother anyway?

2. Don't know about Mr. Mellow here, but even in the provinces, you'll be EXTREMELY lucky to find some 18 year old hottie that is willing to accept anything less than $150 for TWO hours, so you can forget about $250 for 24 hours.

3. How does a monger deal with 10 or 20 different dyevs he's trying to date, by keeping ANY 1 dyev around for 24 or 48 hours?

Please do not reply to any of these, they are rhetorical, and intended to create some logical thinking. Not attacks for exposing BS.

Hi Bez

Please don’t call me a liar and then expect me not to react.

First of all, if you want to quote what I wrote you shouldn’t edit it to your own behalf. It might be small changes, and you may respond that it makes no difference, but then why edit it in the first place?

I wrote “USUALLY, sex on command is not good” and “I prefer (to have sex) when to girl ALSO wants to”.

1. Yes, I’ve had sex a couple of times on command with reluctant girls who just wanted to get paid without having sex This was not good sex. But sex is like pizza. Even when it’s bad it’s still pretty good. That’s why I bother! However, nobody wants to eat bad pizza every day. In that case I don’t eat up and throw the rest out and hope my next pizza is excellent.

2. It’s very possible to find girls for 250 USD (2000 Grivna) for 24 hours. Actually, I only paid each of my two last girls 190 USD (1500 Grivna) for 24 hours (6000 Grivna in total). And in my opinion, they are both young and hot. After posting my Kiev report I have received quite a lot PM’s. Why should I lie about the prices and then give the contact info for the girls to other mongers just for them to find out that the prices are BS?

3. We are all different regarding taste and desire. Personally, I prefer quality over quantity. When I’m in Kiev I prefer to have all my dates planned in advance. If I find 3, 4 or 5 girls I like I’ll stick with them. I don’t need to fuck 10 or 20 different girls in a week.

You are fully entitled to think I’m a liar. Of course you are. Or maybe some people are just better negotiating than you are?

Mellow

[Jojosun]

I do. I think Flirt is more user-friendly than Mamba. However, Mamba has more features than Flirt (20 photos on top and more VIP-stuff).

Furthermore, when I get a new message in Russian from a girl, I can only copy and paste the text into a translator if I open the message through Mamba. Only after 3 or 4 messages I can also do it through Flirt.

Very strange.

Here is how I respond to girls looking for a sponsor on Flirt.

$$$? How MUCH?

Anglisky? English.

If they respond, they will quote you either in $$$ or grievnsa per hour.

Some won't, they just drag it on a bit.

They are looking for a longer Sponsorship arrangement.

I met my first girl in Kiev, this way.

[Jojosun]

I do. I think Flirt is more user-friendly than Mamba. However, Mamba has more features than Flirt (20 photos on top and more VIP-stuff).

Furthermore, when I get a new message in Russian from a girl, I can only copy and paste the text into a translator if I open the message through Mamba. Only after 3 or 4 messages I can also do it through Flirt.

Very strange.

I had more contacts for girls in Kiev on Flirt, than for Mamba.

On mamba made contacts for Russian girls in London.

I never knew so many Russian girls are now living in London and the Uk.

One of them ebraced capitalism so quickly, that she wanted me to pre cover her expenses for our first meeting.

Ie I pay for her Hairdo, makeup, clothes and Taxi fare.

So I countered, by saying I will be coming to a Pub near you. No need for taxi.

Your other expenses is part of your profile, which you have to sell to me, and I can't help you selling yourself to me or anyone else.

Talking about the Nany State.

[Bez Bezarra]

I keep the girl with me 24/7 to do other things besides sex.

Sex on command is not good.

I prefer sex when the girl wants to.

However, if a girl says “not now, later", I tell them that “either NOW or no money and you can go”.

Regarding the length of the sponsorship: Usually I start with 24 hours for 250 USD.

As usual, its the Bez that has to enforce the truth here.

1. How exactly is, "spread your legs right now or get out and no money", not sex on command, which if its not good, then bother anyway?

2. Don't know about Mr. Mellow here, but even in the provinces, you'll be EXTREMELY lucky to find some 18 year old hottie that is willing to accept anything less than $150 for TWO hours, so you can forget about $250 for 24 hours.

3. How does a monger deal with 10 or 20 different dyevs he's trying to date, by keeping ANY 1 dyev around for 24 or 48 hours?

Please do not reply to any of these, they are rhetorical, and intended to create some logical thinking. Not attacks for exposing BS.

[Mellowtrax]

I wonder what you mean when you write that you make deals for 2 or 3 days. Do you keep the girls with you 24 hours a day, ready to have sex at your will?

Hi Obman,

Yes, I keep the girls with me for 24 hours a day. I like to be with the girls 24/7 and to do other things with them besides sex.

Usually, sex on command is not good sex. I prefer to have sex when the girl also wants to. However, some girls will do anything to avoid doing what you’re paying them for by saying “We have sex later, I promise”. With that type of girl I just tell them that “either we have sex NOW or the deal is off. Then I just take my money back and you can go home”. That always makes them think twice. And learned from my own mistakes I never pay the girl the full amount in advance. Half when we meet, the rest when she leaves. Most girls agree to this.

Regarding the length of the sponsorship: Usually I start with making a deal for 24 hours (let’s say 250 USD). If I like the girl I make a new deal for another 24 hours (another 250 USD). I realize this is a more expensive solution. In this situation the girl’s literally got you by the balls, because she knows you like her and she will be in a position to demand the same as the previous amount. However, if we had agreed in advance of our meeting to meet for a period of 2 days I would only have offered her 400-450 USD and not 500 USD, of course.

Regards,

Mellow

[Irish Lad]

Oops, link didn't work. www.freerussiandating.us

Mamba, or the English version www.Freerussiandating. Us, has like many other sites including facebook become a tool for marketing. The best way to get the most out of correspondence is to VIP yourself and follow the following guidelines.

1. Don't waste time translating with someone who doesn't speak English if you don't speak Russian, although remember many girls speak sufficient English but can't write in Russian. Any meetings will probably be a disaster.

2. Profiles with 1 photo are 90% nonsense.

3. Be up front about what you search for if you're offering sponsorship.

4. $2,000 per month is a lot of money to a girl from Zaparoze.

5. Don't worry if the girl is only seeking marriage. Many girls have 2 profiles with different aims.

6. Use the photo line that appears along the top. Insert a clear message saying what you offer.

7. Start your campaign 7-10 days before arrival.

8. Double book, no show rate is 50%, or at least have plan B and C.

You'll need to spend an hour a day for 7-10 days to get the most out of it.

Enjoy

[Obman]

Later I met with the first girl, a young, red head. I have made a nice deal with her: 250 USD for 3 days.
...............
Damage: 750 USD for 2 days.
Value: Excellent. Expensive? Maybe… but worth every single grivna!

Prices are not too high, when they deliver you what was agreed.
And you put very demanding time constrains: a quick session can be had for few hundreds griven, but if you ask a girl to be available for 2-3 days she cannot ask you 50 or 100$. Either she quotes you few hundreds dollars, or she stays for you for free. This is not Thailand.

I wonder what you mean when you write that you make deals for 2 or 3 days. Do you keep the girls with you 24 hours a day, ready to have sex at your will?

However nice report and some of your girls look really nice

[Mellowtrax]

Anyone here is still using Flirt.com.ua?

I used this one for my trips to Kiev with some success.

I realize Flirt and mamba are the same, but is there anyone here who is using Flirt?

I do. I think Flirt is more user-friendly than Mamba. However, Mamba has more features than Flirt (20 photos on top and more VIP-stuff).

Furthermore, when I get a new message in Russian from a girl, I can only copy and paste the text into a translator if I open the message through Mamba. Only after 3 or 4 messages I can also do it through Flirt.

Very strange.