Kyiv

[Ididid]

250 $ for one night ? From Rio ? That is actually pretty decent if you look at the quality of the girls there.

[Diceman]

Mr. Shadow,

Thank you for the usefull reports. I came to Kiev 2 days ago and was sad that the RP is gone. Not knowing where to turn, I will check out these place tonight. What kind of price range should be expecting?

Shadow already told here the price. RTFF

[TheKnight]

Rio and Premiere strip clubs both have girls you can arrange sessions with, depending on how nicely you ask, but they're pricey (starting at $250).

Do you mean the Premier Palace "strip theatre" as they laughingly call it?
I hated this place due to the very tame show and the horrible greedy girls Can't believe takeouts from there are $250

If you mean another club, please let me know of it.

Rio's is ok though!

[Speed Touch]

I just learned that my profile on mamba.ru has been blocked for violating one of their provisions... HUH?

I haven't done anything outside of the normal searching for profiles and sending messages. I just paid $10 for VIP access a couple days ago too.

Has anyone had this experience and is it possible to reverse the block. I don't even know what I did wrong!

It happened to me sometime ago - I think it might have been a photo violation (ie no face) - I had to create a new profile and post a different photo.

It might have been a complaint from someone...or the might detect if you are sending the same message to lots of people :-)

[AZN Monger]

I just learned that my profile on mamba.ru has been blocked for violating one of their provisions... HUH?

I haven't done anything outside of the normal searching for profiles and sending messages. I just paid $10 for VIP access a couple days ago too.

Has anyone had this experience and is it possible to reverse the block. I don't even know what I did wrong!

[Happymojo]

Jack, now that RP is no more, I'm afraid your buddies are going to have to put some ground work in at various bars. You have a few options as has already been detailed here.

Rio and Premiere strip clubs both have girls you can arrange sessions with, depending on how nicely you ask, but they're pricey (starting at $250).

Personally I like Barsky and Shooters, good mix of P4P, semi-pros and civilians. Carribean Club is also good, and I personally hate Arena and Patipa, i'd advise you to avoid them, but it's my own preference.

Your guys can pretty much get what they want as long as they're friendly, polite and respectful. Being a stag do, if the guys want to hook up, they'll have to avoid getting to rowdy, ukrainian girls hate loud drunk guys with a passion.

Also, be careful not to fall afoul of the militsia. They don't put up with the kinds of things you can get away with in the UK. Luckily, they can be bribed cheaply.

One last thing. If you or your buddies see someone drop money onto the street, on no account should you pick it up. It's a well known scam. have seen at least one stag get taken.

Mr. Shadow,

Thank you for the usefull reports. I came to Kiev 2 days ago and was sad that the RP is gone. Not knowing where to turn, I will check out these place tonight. What kind of price range should be expecting?

[CallSign Papa]

Thanks Gentleman Travel and The Shadow.

I will try to find an apartment.

Besides that do you have a recommendation for girls? Some of the guys want to invite some girls offering CIM and anal sex.

THX,

Jack

Jack, now that RP is no more, I'm afraid your buddies are going to have to put some ground work in at various bars. You have a few options as has already been detailed here.

Rio and Premiere strip clubs both have girls you can arrange sessions with, depending on how nicely you ask, but they're pricey (starting at $250).

Personally I like Barsky and Shooters, good mix of P4P, semi-pros and civilians. Carribean Club is also good, and I personally hate Arena and Patipa, i'd advise you to avoid them, but it's my own preference.

Your guys can pretty much get what they want as long as they're friendly, polite and respectful. Being a stag do, if the guys want to hook up, they'll have to avoid getting to rowdy, ukrainian girls hate loud drunk guys with a passion.

Also, be careful not to fall afoul of the militsia. They don't put up with the kinds of things you can get away with in the UK. Luckily, they can be bribed cheaply.

One last thing. If you or your buddies see someone drop money onto the street, on no account should you pick it up. It's a well known scam. have seen at least one stag get taken.

[Jojosun]

A girl in a sauna told me the reason she didn't like them, because they were very touchy, touchy, and couldn't keep their hands to themselves during massage. This was when she was rolling all over me naked giving me body to body oil massage.

In Hamburg, Germany, I noticed that Street Walkers in the Red Light district, wouldn't even speak to Turkish men approaching them.

Still a mystery to me.

Few weeks ago I was on in Sunny Beach, Bulgaria, and on the current not liked list there, are Israelis, so much so that a beast on the door of a Lap Dance club, turned away a group of dark skinned Israelis, mumbling something in Bulgarian, which a taxi driver translated to me meaning (Towel Snatchers).

Israeli tourists there have a reputation (False or True) of disappearing with the towels from their hotels.

The Sauna in question was just off Kreschatick st, Kiev.

Had a blast of a time with a beautiful girl, who was in full time education.

Works along with other students the Week End shifts.

We had among other things, a very stimulating conversation, and I found the girls there very well informed about the world, although being only in their early 20's.

Very intellegent and down to earth girls, and certainly no Bimbos like a lot of the London Hookers that I meet.

But then again I went to the Sauna with an open mind and without any negative cash flow thoughts on my mind.

[Jojosun]

I was at the RP a week before it left the bank. It was filled with Turkish men. A girl I knew and her girlfriend came up to me and said, "I don't know why there are so many Turkish men tonight. " I said, "Why do you say that? Don't you like them? " They said, "No. "

I just wanted to say that, whatever reason Turkish men were not liked by the girls, they must be behaving in wrong way to the girls. I hope they figure out what the reason is and correct it. (I should have asked the girls why they don't like them, but I didn't.)

A girl in a sauna told me the reason she didn't like them, because they were very touchy, touchy, and couldn't keep their hands to themselves during massage. This was when she was rolling all over me naked giving me body to body oil massage.

In Hamburg, Germany, I noticed that Street Walkers in the Red Light district, wouldn't even speak to Turkish men approaching them.

Still a mystery to me.

Few weeks ago I was on in Sunny Beach, Bulgaria, and on the current not liked list there, are Israelis, so much so that a beast on the door of a Lap Dance club, turned away a group of dark skinned Israelis, mumbling something in Bulgarian, which a taxi driver translated to me meaning (Towel Snatchers).

Israeli tourists there have a reputation (False or True) of disappearing with the towels from their hotels.

[Jojosun]

Guys,

. This country sucks when it comes to meeting girls. Yet I have to come back every year to maintain the apartments I baught in Kiev and Yalta, what a mistake!

Sex for money, forget about it. The girls over value themselves, I mean, come on, $300 and more for a passive prostitute with whom you have to initiate conversation and chase her as if she was a "real" girl.

When it comes to normal girls, girl-friends, I have not dated one girl who was not just boring, stupid, boring boring boring.

Hi Markharding.

I am guessing here. You bought apartmernts in both Kiev and Yalta, and I assume at the time the exchange rate was 4. 5 or 5 UAH to the us$.

Now it is hovering around 8UAH to the $.

Again guessing if the apts were bought as rental investments?, it begs the question in American Real Estate Jargon(Are you getting Negative Cash Flow) on the above investments?

Ie you are not getting out of them what you did put in them+ the yearly maintenance fees+expenses, and added to this the fall in property prices in the country due to the economic conditions, its a no wonder what you bought was a mistake.

With this Negative Cash Flow Thoughts and the real estate mistake (Slump), I am not surprised that you are having nothing, but boring, stupid, boring boring boring girls.

With all my sympathy.

[Diceman]

Guys,

I completelty agree with Sebans. Kiev, Yalta, Odessa, I have been everywhere. This country sucks when it comes to meeting girls. Yet I have to come back every year to maintain the apartments I baught in Kiev and Yalta, what a mistake!

Sex for money, forget about it. The girls over value themselves, I mean, come on, $300 and more for a passive prostitute with whom you have to initiate conversation and chase her as if she was a "real" girl.

When it comes to normal girls, girl-friends, I have not dated one girl who was not just boring, stupid, boring boring boring.

Maybe you would like to sell them apartments in Kiev cheap then? And then you won't need to come back, cut your losses.

[Uke Boy]

When it comes to normal girls, girl-friends, I have not dated one girl who was not just boring, stupid, boring boring boring.

Guess what, Marky? From your posts, I am sure the girls feel exactly the same way about you. Your attitude and that of Sebans is definitely not right for Kiev nor Moscow.

I have been here a long time and enjoyed myself with both P4P and regular girl friends. Success always starts and finishes with what is between your ears and how you use it and not that part of you which is located between your legs.

[Sorbonne]

I was at the RP a week before it left the bank. It was filled with Turkish men. A girl I knew and her girlfriend came up to me and said, "I don't know why there are so many Turkish men tonight. " I said, "Why do you say that? Don't you like them? " They said, "No. "

I just wanted to say that, whatever reason Turkish men were not liked by the girls, they must be behaving in wrong way to the girls. I hope they figure out what the reason is and correct it. (I should have asked the girls why they don't like them, but I didn't.)

[Strike 69]

I don't know why you are so intimidated by the middle eastern guys.
Maybe for straight P4P they are competition, so it depends on the size of your wallet.
Otherwise it is the ME guys who operate at a disadvantage.
LOTS of girls on Mamba and other sites specifically say "no turks or arabs".
Without getting into the reasons for this prejudice (deserved or not), clearly there is a preference for non-turk/arab guys.
An exception to this might be where the Turk holds out the promise of visa-free travel to visit his sunny shores.

But basically, European/American guys enjoy a competitive advantage.
If you cannot score with the odds in your favour, then find another game.

I do not see much of a problem if Turks / Arabs are in Kiev for P4P as long as I have my own share of blondinkas, every man has the right to pay for a pro if he has the money, isn't it? Besides Ukraine is just next door to them and they need no visa. Honestly I do not understand why that guy see a problem with it.

P.S. I am Mexican (white) and never had an issue there

[Jojosun]

Still only talking about me and other bullshit, and not giving any useful advice to people that visit Kiev.

My vision of Kiev. Where people pay 300 dollar for a fuck with a prostitute.is that of a place for sex begggar.

Beside that I had a good experience and scored 3 times the first week, 0 times the second week becouse I didn't go out, and 3 time the third week, but 6 girl (semi-pros at $ 100) in 21 days is not enough to valuate a place as a place to go back to since there are as many blondes in Brazil than Kiev.

If you have a different vision of Kiev, why don't you talk about it instead of talking about me?

1. Mr Sebans. I don't know you at all, so I wasn't talking about you.

I was talking about the bullshit that you posted here.

2. It is a false Vision of Kiev that you have got in your head.

We talk here about actual experiences and seek info, not a vision that we dream of.

3. Kiev is not all about $300, River Palace hookers and mongers willing tp pay that much. Ever heard of supply and demand?

If a guy fancies a girl and money to him is no object, or he is money rich time short, then good luck to him. (It is the Pussy Stupid) that does it to some mongers

4. Has it occured to you that some mongers do not actually get turned on by $50 hookers or even cheaper hookers inBangkok or the Phillipines.

5. I was in River Palace nearly every night I was in Kiev, and I never paid $300. I just enjoyed the sight and sound of the place.

I sampled some of the beauties the following afternoon at prices I already posted.

What experinces I had in Kiev, I already posted here. Just RTFF.

Again no one is talking about you. The talk is about your posts.

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