Barcelona

[Putana]

Hello,

Can somebody tell me what happened with the www.loquo.com site? Is there any other site available where we can find girls in Barcelona?

You may try this one : http://www.mundoanuncio.com

[Indy One]

Hello,

Can somebody tell me what happened with the www.loquo.com site? Is there any other site available where we can find girls in Barcelona?

[Davidag]

away from trafficking for the time being, i think.during the peep show in the sex shop near the end of la ramblas i often been offered a blow job by one of the performers,a female performeri must quickly add.i,ve never done anything about this kind offer but has anyone else had a blow job at this establishment or is the performer having a joke with me and is just teasing.it would be of interrest to us all if anyone could put some light on this.

thanks,

alan

i have heard of this too but last time i went in there. i noticed that the whole layout os changed. there is no longer a private show booth and there is no longer peep show cabins with a door, its just w curtain that goes down to your waist now. also you get less time for your 2 euro as well.

[AlanGiven]

away from trafficking for the time being, i think.during the peep show in the sex shop near the end of la ramblas i often been offered a blow job by one of the performers,a female performeri must quickly add.i,ve never done anything about this kind offer but has anyone else had a blow job at this establishment or is the performer having a joke with me and is just teasing.it would be of interrest to us all if anyone could put some light on this.

thanks,

alan

[AlanGiven]

The following appears in the Morality of Prostitution section or "thread". Rubber Nursey is a prostitute in Australia who seems very well informed. I'm putting it here in the Barcelona section because of the amount of commentary on this subject here.

The article you have posted does outlines and states that trafficking does exist and takes part in most parts of the world.Thats why all the doco were needed to be made.Anyone who saw the UK doco would agree that trafficking WAS taking and that the girls invovled were treated very badly indded.There was a large police operation, and rightly so. which was needed to put the guilty people behind bars were they belong.I don't think the Uk doco was scare mongering,it was a discription of a very serious issue that needs to be tackled.Anyone who watched the doco would surly concur with this.

Alan

[Param Ahmad]

The following appears in the Morality of Prostitution section or "thread". Rubber Nursey is a prostitute in Australia who seems very well informed. I'm putting it here in the Barcelona section because of the amount of commentary on this subject here.

An article about the UK trafficking documentary. http://www.spiked-online.com/index.p.../article/9496/

By the way, the same docos are being made in every nation around the world at the moment. And I mean *exactly* the same docos...only the destination and country of origin changes. It's nothing but scaremongering.

Does trafficking and sexual abuse exist? Yes, it does (and it's a horrific crime that should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law). But is every migrant sex worker a kidnapped, tortured sex slave? Of course not. That is racist, patronising bullshit.

As for contract work (or "debt bondage" as it's often called)...that wouldn't exist if prostitution laws and immigration policies allowed sex workers to travel for work INDEPENDENTLY, rather than forcing them to rely on agents and middle men to get them into other countries. Imagine if a Thai woman could organise her own visa, ring a Sydney brothel about employment, and have the brothel pay her airfare - which she could pay off in less than a day's work. Why would she go to a trafficker if it was that easy to do it herself? Government policies are to blame for trafficking and these global 'crackdowns' are only making things worse.

[GandJim]

What kind of payment do the girls get from the 70euros handed over for the hour?

For Chinese girls, they are lucky if they can get 20 euros out of 70, that's still more than a few weeks' salary back home. As already mentionned before, some gets nothing until they pay back their debts, and that can take a long time. For some, having a bed to sleep and something to eat is more than enough for them.

Your conclusions are far from the truth. They are RECRUITED in their homelands with promises about how much money they will make. When they do not make enough money to cover their recruitment costs they cannot leave.

I do not agree with the media's treatment of this issue since often the media is all about hype. However, it is real and to conclude otherwise is naïve at best.

I fully agree with Exec Talent. You can't trust what the girls tell you, they are the least reliable source of information. They are telling you what their pimp told them to say: what you want to hear.

I still remember "Red" Natasha, who many consider as the best GFE experience in Barcelona about 5 years ago. She was a real sweetheart, educated (graduated MBA, speaks perfect English), full of life, always smiling, laughing, joking and enjoyed sex even more than you (or at least it seems so). She will tell you about her dreams, how she saves money to invest in some apartments back home and even planned to open a shop to sell clothes, etc... Bullshit it turns out later, it's just what her pimp told her to say.

When somebody asks her about pimping, she will just laugh and tell you about the "get out of pimping" program that the Spanish gouvernment implemented at that point of time. For those of you who didn't know about this campaign, some years ago social workers visited sex clubs and apartments and proposed a deal to the girls: If a girl denounces her pimp, they will put him in prison and give her a work permit to stay indefinitely in Spain, they will move her to a city of her choice, they will help her find a "normal" work if she wish, etc... Last, but not least, all her debts are waived. If they can seize his money, they may even give some back to her. They thought it was a good idea. Although it worked for girls coming from some countries, they were more than surprised that girls from some other countries never collaborated. Even those who are there illegally prefer to be deported than to denounce their pimps. Natasha will even tell you: "Hey, if I had a pimp, I would have a legit work permit now and can stay here forever. Wish I had one!".

I personally took Natasha on an escort trip to Paris for a week. She was in heaven. But years later, she told me why she was so happy: As I paid for everything and she doesn't have to pay for food, etc... she can give back 100% of the escort fees I gave her to her pimp. The faster she pays her "debts", the sooner she can start making some money for herself.

Why didn't she denounce her pimp? In her case, she only had the "nice" treatment from the organisation which helped her coming to Spain. She knew she has to do sex work so that part was not a problem. Then they recorded on tape her few first sessions (of course without telling her) and threaten her to inform her father and family about her real work, and to distribute the tape in her village. When you come from a small village where your father is a honorable person, you will not necessarilly like the idea. If this is not enough, they will threaten you to hit your younger brother with a car and have other girls confirmed to you that it actually happened to some of their relatives because they opened their mouth with a customer. Of course, they have other "incentives" for more reluctant girls.

And they are clever. They give you a way out: "Pay back you debt, and you're free". And Natasha sees that they do keep their word for girls being there before. So she shuts her mouth and pays her debt as fast as possible.

So if you're in this hobby, put your ethic aside and stop to dream. Or stop the hobby. What is said on TV and in the media is propaganda indeed, saying it doesn't exist is also pure propaganda. The truth is in between. Some girls may be doing this job because they like it, some may be forced into it. And don't pretend to be clever enough to tell the difference.

Jim

[So Happy]

Your conclusions are far from the truth. They are RECRUITED in their homelands with promises about how much money they will make. When they do not make enough money to cover their recruitment costs they cannot leave.

I do not agree with the media's treatment of this issue since often the media is all about hype. However, it is real and to conclude otherwise is naïve at best.

Hi ET

Is the truth not something between the two? Clearly some of the brothels imprison the girls and they are prevented from leaving and work in terrible conditions as virtual slaves. I would never be able to frequent a place like that. However, most of the girls at Estark, for example, seem to be free to come and go as they please (one even came back to the UK with me for a week of fun), although I have heard of one that owed a "recruiter" a lot of money and wanted to be out of debt. I have also asked many of them if they are restrained in any way and the answer is usually (except for the one I have referred to) a definite no - and I have no reason to believe otherwise.

[Exec Talent]

Having seen such reports in the news media, I've carefully asked girls working in clubs in Barcelona and elsewhere (Whiskeria Estark/Hotel Diana Plus, New Girls Cabaret & Chelsea I & II in Madrid, Estark 92 in Fuengirola, Estark 95 in Algeciras, etc.) why they are working there. Their responses have left no doubt in my mind they are "damas de compañera" (prostitutes) only because other girls, typically in their home country, have told them how much money they can make and that they are accepting money for sex entirely of their own free will. Sometimes I've seen girls from Estark 92 in Fuengirola sunbathing on the beach nearby the following afternoon where there appeared to be no doubt nobody was restricting their freedom to come and go. On a few occasions I've persuaded a girl from one of Madrid's or Barcelona's clubs to come to my hotel room, and they show up alone, again leaving no doubt they are acting freely. A Romanian girl at a club in downtown Barcelona told me she comes to Spain because there are no similar clubs in Romania. Sometimes girls working at Riviera Club or Saratoga Club in Castelldefels have told me they are going to be going home to Romania or Bulgaria for a few months but after that will be returning to the same club in Spain. One girl at Estark 95 in Algeciras told me she was earning more in one night at Estark 95 than she did in two or three months at her regular job in Romania. I've gotten similar replies from girls working in "all girl staff" shops in West Palm Beach, Florida, who told me after working there (in the sex business) "its hard to go back to a regular paycheck," since regular jobs pay so much less. Conversation with a Korean girl who I met at a "spa" in Rhode Island and later, entirely coincidentally, at another "spa" in Georgia, who told me she lived in Tampa, Florida, left no doubt she was there because it was her best opportunity to make money to support herself and her child. The girl I saw at Garden of Eden in Kelowna, B.C. (Canada) told me she was there because she's a sexual sort of person and decided she may as well get paid for it.

My conclusion after hearing the girls' comments about why they're in the business and asking them questions about it, because of the same ethical concern you have, is that the television, radio, magazine, and newspaper reports about women being kidnapped and forced into prostitution are, usually if not always, false propaganda to justify suppressing prostitution. This propaganda is probably perpetrated by people who dislike prostitution and are in denial about the fact that women work as prostitutes of their own free will primarily because they have found it enables them to make the most money in the shortest period of time.

As for your other question, it varies: As best I can remember, the least they've ever said they get to keep is about half of what you pay.

Your conclusions are far from the truth. They are RECRUITED in their homelands with promises about how much money they will make. When they do not make enough money to cover their recruitment costs they cannot leave.

I do not agree with the media's treatment of this issue since often the media is all about hype. However, it is real and to conclude otherwise is naïve at best.

[AlanGiven]

Having seen such reports in the news media, I've carefully asked girls working in clubs in Barcelona and elsewhere (Whiskeria Estark/Hotel Diana Plus, New Girls Cabaret & Chelsea I & II in Madrid, Estark 92 in Fuengirola, Estark 95 in Algeciras, etc.) why they are working there. Their responses have left no doubt in my mind they are "damas de compañera" (prostitutes) only because other girls, typically in their home country, have told them how much money they can make and that they are accepting money for sex entirely of their own free will. Sometimes I've seen girls from Estark 92 in Fuengirola sunbathing on the beach nearby the following afternoon where there appeared to be no doubt nobody was restricting their freedom to come and go. On a few occasions I've persuaded a girl from one of Madrid's or Barcelona's clubs to come to my hotel room, and they show up alone, again leaving no doubt they are acting freely. A Romanian girl at a club in downtown Barcelona told me she comes to Spain because there are no similar clubs in Romania. Sometimes girls working at Riviera Club or Saratoga Club in Castelldefels have told me they are going to be going home to Romania or Bulgaria for a few months but after that will be returning to the same club in Spain. One girl at Estark 95 in Algeciras told me she was earning more in one night at Estark 95 than she did in two or three months at her regular job in Romania. I've gotten similar replies from girls working in "all girl staff" shops in West Palm Beach, Florida, who told me after working there (in the sex business) "its hard to go back to a regular paycheck," since regular jobs pay so much less. Conversation with a Korean girl who I met at a "spa" in Rhode Island and later, entirely coincidentally, at another "spa" in Georgia, who told me she lived in Tampa, Florida, left no doubt she was there because it was her best opportunity to make money to support herself and her child. The girl I saw at Garden of Eden in Kelowna, B.C. (Canada) told me she was there because she's a sexual sort of person and decided she may as well get paid for it.

My conclusion after hearing the girls' comments about why they're in the business and asking them questions about it, because of the same ethical concern you have, is that the television, radio, magazine, and newspaper reports about women being kidnapped and forced into prostitution are, usually if not always, false propaganda to justify suppressing prostitution. This propaganda is probably perpetrated by people who dislike prostitution and are in denial about the fact that women work as prostitutes of their own free will primarily because they have found it enables them to make the most money in the shortest period of time.

As for your other question, it varies: As best I can remember, the least they've ever said they get to keep is about half of what you pay.

Thanks for this usefull information. The UK documentary WAS about sex trafficking. It included a lot of detail about what went on and as far as I could see was good journalism. The expoltation certainly took place. It eas narrated by the well known actor Helen Mirren. The traffickers all got time in prision ranging from 1year to 4years. Not long enough in my view. The particular question I asked about was the Chinese brothels in Barcelona. Are they subject to any form of trafficking or are they licensed by the Barcelona authorities. Does anyone know?

[Param Ahmad]

The recent channel 4 documentary on UK television was about sex trafficking in England with a worldwide theme. Girl are 'purchased ' in China and other parts of SE Asia and set to work in brothels under trebbible conditions. Once in the UK the girl was little more than a slave and keep behind closed doors sometime seeing 15 men a day. Of course the girl did not see any of the money and had to work until she paid off the 'debt' that she owed to the traffickers. A really sordid and sorry tail of cruelty and expoltation.

Does anyone know if this kind of thing goes on in Spain. I thinking of the Chinese brothels in Barcelona more than anything. Are they licensed like the other Brothels in the city centre or are they something else?

What kind of payment do the girls get from the 70euros handed over for the hour?

Alan

Having seen such reports in the news media, I've carefully asked girls working in clubs in Barcelona and elsewhere (Whiskeria Estark/Hotel Diana Plus, New Girls Cabaret & Chelsea I & II in Madrid, Estark 92 in Fuengirola, Estark 95 in Algeciras, etc.) why they are working there. Their responses have left no doubt in my mind they are "damas de compañera" (prostitutes) only because other girls, typically in their home country, have told them how much money they can make and that they are accepting money for sex entirely of their own free will. Sometimes I've seen girls from Estark 92 in Fuengirola sunbathing on the beach nearby the following afternoon where there appeared to be no doubt nobody was restricting their freedom to come and go. On a few occasions I've persuaded a girl from one of Madrid's or Barcelona's clubs to come to my hotel room, and they show up alone, again leaving no doubt they are acting freely. A Romanian girl at a club in downtown Barcelona told me she comes to Spain because there are no similar clubs in Romania. Sometimes girls working at Riviera Club or Saratoga Club in Castelldefels have told me they are going to be going home to Romania or Bulgaria for a few months but after that will be returning to the same club in Spain. One girl at Estark 95 in Algeciras told me she was earning more in one night at Estark 95 than she did in two or three months at her regular job in Romania. I've gotten similar replies from girls working in "all girl staff" shops in West Palm Beach, Florida, who told me after working there (in the sex business) "its hard to go back to a regular paycheck," since regular jobs pay so much less. Conversation with a Korean girl who I met at a "spa" in Rhode Island and later, entirely coincidentally, at another "spa" in Georgia, who told me she lived in Tampa, Florida, left no doubt she was there because it was her best opportunity to make money to support herself and her child. The girl I saw at Garden of Eden in Kelowna, B.C. (Canada) told me she was there because she's a sexual sort of person and decided she may as well get paid for it.

My conclusion after hearing the girls' comments about why they're in the business and asking them questions about it, because of the same ethical concern you have, is that the television, radio, magazine, and newspaper reports about women being kidnapped and forced into prostitution are, usually if not always, false propaganda to justify suppressing prostitution. This propaganda is probably perpetrated by people who dislike prostitution and are in denial about the fact that women work as prostitutes of their own free will primarily because they have found it enables them to make the most money in the shortest period of time.

As for your other question, it varies: As best I can remember, the least they've ever said they get to keep is about half of what you pay.

[Alex771]

I visited Arizala 74 a couple of weeks ago when I visited Barcelona and it was my first ever pay-for-sex experience. The rooms are ok, and when considering the price of the visit, excellent. A bunch of girls introduced themselves to me and I chose Sandy, a Romanian girl in her mid 20s. I paid 50 eur for 30min (or was it 60? Don't remember).

Sandy was nice and cute, but the sex was maybe 3.5 on a scale from 1 to 10. That was not Sandy's fault though, I was not very horny after being out partying fiercely the night before. I went to Arizala in this state only because I knew it was my only opportunity (ie only time alone) during my short stay in Barcelona. Another things is I have never ever managed to come in a condom! It might be a psychological thing or maybe I just need more practice fucking rubbered up. Anyway I fucked Sandy in several positions and she seemed a little frustrated when she noticed I didn't appear to enjoy it quite as much as I should have All in all, it was an interesting experience and I will visit Arizala again if get the chance.

[AlanGiven]

The recent channel 4 documentary on UK television was about sex trafficking in England with a worldwide theme. Girl are 'purchased ' in China and other parts of SE Asia and set to work in brothels under trebbible conditions. Once in the UK the girl was little more than a slave and keep behind closed doors sometime seeing 15 men a day. Of course the girl did not see any of the money and had to work until she paid off the 'debt' that she owed to the traffickers. A really sordid and sorry tail of cruelty and expoltation.

Does anyone know if this kind of thing goes on in Spain. I thinking of the Chinese brothels in Barcelona more than anything. Are they licensed like the other Brothels in the city centre or are they something else?

What kind of payment do the girls get from the 70euros handed over for the hour?

Alan

[Wiild]

This area north of Diagonal has around 10 different cocktail bars where you can drink, talk to pretty girls, buy pretty girls champagne and fuck them on site.

I visited several of the clubs in this area, and I liked them. They all have a similar setup, you either pay 15-20 euro entry and get one drink or get in free and have to pay 10-20/ per drink. the girls come and try to convice you to either buy them drinks: a msall drink copa for 30-50 euros, champagne for 60-3000 euros. To fuck them was pretty good value (at least compared to champagne) 120-150/half hour. Some girls did allow anal.

New Aribau & Diamonds are the ones most mentioned on this forum but there are 2 clubs on Marià Cubí, close to Diamonds + one on d'Aribau just around the corner from Diamnonds that in my opinion, on the day I visited, was better that both these clubs. I don't remember names of the clubs but there are 6 clubs in an area of 3mins walking. Looks of girls 6-9, Spanish, EE, a lot of Romanian, Colombian, less than 10% had silicone tits. some girls seemed pretty horny and let me feel ass, kiss them, look at pussy without buying them drink. average club had 15girls and only 3 male customer at midnight Monday.

Pub 240 was also great, 20 girls, maybe 5 customers. Diamonds and New Aribau was very empty at my visits.

I got too drunk so did not fuck.

Not any metro station really close, I got off at metro: Diagonal and walked 10minutes


Best in my opinion is to arrive around 11, some

[Wiild]

St. Ramon area. ....I did find an old favourite of mine though, Roxanna from Romania. She is a tall skinny blond, always wears short shorts and heels. She is always working right when you turn the corner onto St. Ramon from Nou la Rambla (thats spelled wrong). She is a very reliable session at 40 E w/ room.

I THINK I fucked Roxanna, she wore glasses, kinda havy make-up, big hard nipples, One of the horniest fucks I had, I overpaid her some, 50 with room to get better service. she seemed really horny let me lick both her ass and pussy, and she kissed very sexy and deep.

she had the best looking, best shaved pussy I have seen for along while, must been shaved like 1 hour ago max, so pink, so fresh. fucked her in 3 positions, finished in mish so I could see her eyes, her puppills so big and horny!

afterwaords I asked about anal: she said she did anal too but I don't know how much.