Thread: Rio de Janeiro - Crime & Safety
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12-04-10 16:41 #1103
Posts: 2345Indeed. There's a fairly positive if overall balanced article in today's Economist magazine - find online (I'd post the link but am typing on my mobile phone while reading the paper copy). "Conquering Complexo do Alemão." They acknowledge police corruption but also try to give a bigger picture. Interesting demographics later in the same issue on S.A. democracy perceptions and so on.
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12-04-10 14:16 #1102
Posts: 2374Originally Posted by Schwmmr
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12-04-10 05:38 #1101
Posts: 241Ahhhh! Brazil the craddle of corruption
The most wanted and dangerous trafficker fled last week police's invasion .... in a police car.
And those *&%# cariocas are charging over $1000 per night to spend in their gangster paradise for the reveillon.
http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/mat/2010...-923181004.asp
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12-04-10 02:22 #1100
Posts: 316Originally Posted by Golfinho
Please explain.
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12-04-10 00:26 #1099
Posts: 2374Originally Posted by Perkele
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12-03-10 22:12 #1098
Posts: 421Originally Posted by Sperto
You are right. I'm concerned of the politicians and I know well that huge amount of the tax money goes into their corrupt pockets.
Just that the difference is that these politicians are not shooting at people, including me (never happened but is a possibility) or downright stealing their money.
I must have come a tad too strong for everyones taste on this issue but it just makes me mad to hear all around how the thieves', drugdealers' and muggers' human rights are being violated now.
To my taste the view that majority here have of favelas is very romantic. There is nothing good in those.
Now, for everyone's relief I will leave this discussion and let you guys continue over this issue.
Take care.
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12-03-10 19:31 #1097
Posts: 262I don't want to romanticize the people in the favelas, I'm sure most are decent people at heart, but like most poor people all over the world, there are all kinds of "issues" (social, educational, mental) that hold them back.
As for the stealing issue, it's not such a big deal for me. Heck, if I was a favelado, I'd be doing the same or worse in order to get by.
In order to get by, poor people leach/steal/skim what they can from the government (food stamps, welfare, etc.), utilities, private sector, and individuals all over the world.
Meanwhile, in order to maintain/increase their wealth and power, rich people exploit the poor and use their political leverage to score windfall deals from the government; they also leach off the less business/financial savvy, and try to rip off each other in the private sector (sub-prime anyone?).
Basically everyone, whether rich or poor, is fighting for a bigger slice of the pie, often in ways that aren't legal or ethical. Nothing new here people!
It's just that in more primitive "dog-eat-dog" or rapacious type societies like Brazil, the situation is more intense; especially considering the VAST income disparities plaguing countries like Brazil and Colombia. [Which interesting enough are both popular monger countries, I don't think that's just a coincidence!]
What I don't get is expats complaining about the situation when they surely must have (or SHOULD have) known what they are getting into. You can't control where you were born or brought up but you have some control on where to live and what combination of subsidies, taxes, etc. you're willing to tolerate. Someone who made a serious effort to move to another country has NO sympathy in my book if he's pissed off about "supporting" all the poor people living in that country. It's not like you were invited to stay.
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12-03-10 19:06 #1096
Posts: 1364Originally Posted by Sperto
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12-03-10 19:06 #1095
Posts: 332Originally Posted by Exec Talent
You get a AMEN from me I agree 100% !! from reading Sperto's reports over the years he take many risks then I would and I been going to Brazil for decades I take my hat off to him.
Sperto's give a honest view point on Rio and Brazil and places to see maps etc. without asking for anything in return nothing to sell nor nothing to rent and he not asking to be a guide to show you around (like many do) just honest reporting.
Good job Sperto keep up the good work.
Kid Cisco
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12-03-10 18:51 #1094
Posts: 4060Originally Posted by Christopherd
Originally Posted by Perkele
If you are concerned about thieves you should be concerned about the politicians in Brazil.
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12-03-10 16:28 #1093
Posts: 421Originally Posted by Christopherd
Most interesting post.
Now, tell me are you mingling with thieves and robberies in your own country? I fail to comprehend why being poor justifies stealing and drug dealing and robbing? Isn't that what you all are justifying here? How would any of you feel if your electric bill would be 4 times higher because some of your neighbors are not paying their rent?
Now, most of you say that there are honest people living in favelas who work and contribute. That is true, there are hard working people there I recognize that. BUT everyone who lives in these favelas or should we use latest term communities, are stealing from everyone whom are paying their taxes and utilities. That is a plain fact.
Why they are not paying is that all these companies providing services, electricity, gas and water, have been plain scared to go there and demand these people to pay. Now, since the police is invading these communities those companies have started to implement measures to be able to get their money for services that community members haven't been paying. Also state is starting to implement the property taxes etc. I have heard million times how these fine people from communities are crying how to survive when they have to PAY for services that they have been STEALING for last 20 - 30 years.
I would be happy as a pig in the shit if I'd get my electricity, gas and water for free. During the summer those expenses run pretty high (for those who do not know electricity is expensive in Rio) because of A/C and so on.
I'm sorry if I have offended you with my view of the people in the communities, but I do not like too much anyone who is leeching on me.
Then to Golfinho, why do you think I'm living in Brazil? Give it a deep thought and I'm sure that you can figure it out.
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12-03-10 14:34 #1092
Posts: 2345Originally Posted by Golfinho
Experienced visitors whose mongering (or Carnaval) interests may involve favelas may want to exchange relevant info relating to favelas and should be free to do so. If Perkele or anyone else thinks favela dwellers are all lowlife then that is hardly top of the list of my priorities. It's easy to have a view changed when you're paying tax that seems to be ill-spent too. People can think what they like, and I can have a different opinion without falling out.
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12-02-10 19:47 #1091
Posts: 4060Originally Posted by Amerioca
Sure...
A lot of the Olympic games will occur in Barra. Rocinha is right on the way to Barra. Rocinha and Vidigal will both be invaded.
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12-02-10 18:09 #1090
Posts: 307Originally Posted by Beach Star
There is talk of police cleaning Rocinha, however, I doubt that very much. Too many foreign nationals reside there. Also, many non-profits. Should they be harmed, it would be bad press.
I agree with Perkele on some point's made about favelado mentality.
Valeu!
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12-02-10 14:59 #1089
Posts: 2374Originally Posted by Perkele