Seoul

[Brian 3232]

In response to the person below me that posted all that gangnam places in the bang bang area.

I won't recommend going to cool if your standards are really high. The quality of women right now is a little low compared to before. I would wait until the summer season. I've seen about 7 of the girls there. 2 were okay but not spectacular. I know the employees and they told me they showed me the best so I know there isn't anyone better.

I've been to belle (not recently) but the girls are not great over there. Unless you don't really look at face much. You can find girls in the 5-7. 5 range at belle. I've seen 9s and 10s at cool before.

I went to angel once and walked out after seeing the girl. The place doesn't seem to clean either. Not going there again.

Officetels are where its at these days. You got to know the right ones tho. Plus the girls are at officetels much like the girls at HJ places, are "normal" college-aged students working, as opposed to massage parlors, where full time workers make a living. I am done with massage parlors and room salons for the time being. If you can afford the jumos and ten pro's go for it, but I would stay away from the lower class ones.

[Jojo407]

Ho boy, you're opening a can of worms with this question!

This is something I've often wondered about as well; like you, I've noticed the prices on here vary wildly from one monger to the next. I would say, a lot of it depends on your negotiation skills. I bet (or, assume may be a better word) that a lot of guys pay the first price that the girls ask without even trying to negotioate.

Is it safe to assume that most girls quote 50k for a HJ. 100k for a BJ, and 200k for quickie FS? And we can bargain the price down around 50% for these "activities"? Am I totally off base here?

What say you, Seoul thread? Let the debate begin!

It depends on the girl and other factors. For instance, the big girls on the top of the hill don't charge much. Some of the more talented providers on the hill will charge a lot because they can get away with it. Also it depends on the night. Are they in a bad mood? Is business slow? Do they need to pay bills? Do you look wealthy? Are you ugly or attractive? What race are you? Etc. Etc. It really all just depends on a lot of factors. Most important is the tier of girl you're dealing with. You can get a FS for practically nothing, but with who? Think on that.

[Dodgers55]

I am in Korea with older relatives and didn't want to monger around the RLDs by myself. Although as a gyopo tourist who could speak korean at a fluent elementary level, I could probably have fun. From what I read and heard in Seoul the 588 Cheongnyangni area is still the best. The Yongsan area is winding down as the area is under redevelopment and Miari Texas area is a mixed bag. And Yeongdeungpo is suffering from a brunt of crackdowns. Itaewon's Hooker Hill isn't really a RLD since it's mostly juicy bars and street walkers, locals don't really go there as Koreans are and always will be xenophobes. For Koreans, it appears like they have moved on from RLDs and have Americanized. That means the action has become mostly costly, and operate through escort services and massage parlors and room salons. All of the internet sites that show this information are in Korean and as someone who can't really type or read Korean all that well, I can't work myself searching on Daum and Naver. Mongering will become harder and harder for us English speakers going forward.

So I did what people who don't need FS (out of convenience or fear of STD) went to the Gangnam Bang Bang Junction area. For those looking for a GFE rub with HE, there's plenty to try. If one place doesn't accept foreigners (waygukins) try the next one. With so many choices in one area, you can't miss.

To get there take the #3 line to Yangjae station and exit #3 (look at the map and head towards Bang Bang Junction (Sa-guh-ri). This is a major intersection and you will see the Prudential Building, a Starbucks, a Dell store and a huge clothing store called Bang Bang. You can also take the #2 line to Gangnam station, exit I think #6 and head towards Yangjae Station, look at street signs, can't miss it.

Head in the direction of the clothing store and you will find Cool and Raining Man. You enter through the place that is a car wash and you will see a sign directing you to either place. Go a little further and you will find Angel and in an upper floor you'll see a legitimate looking massage place, that prolly has a shady side. Cross the street you will see Belle and in the building next to Belle you will see another massage place called 1/2 Massage I think. Head in the other direction of the intersection and you'll see a huge massage place that looks like a love motel, called Rain Massage I think?

The HJ joints (which the attendant referred to as "soft-touch") never have barber poles, don't even advertise as massage sometimes but the giveaway is that it's named with exotic words and as shops that normally don't say anything else (Cool, Angel, Belle, Raining Man, Ivy, VIP, Cleopatra). They operate primarily though appointments but go there before 5PM on a weekday or weekend and they should squeeze you in. You know you are at one when you have to buzz to get in or be denied entrance. Cool was 75, 000 won. Which I think is the most expensive because they have the prettiest girls I think.

I think if you act like you've been there and know what you are doing and know some korean, likely you will have success getting in. You take off your shoes, change into slippers, go into a room, change into a robe, take a shower and buzz the attendant. Then you wait a few minutes, then chat with the girl, get a short massage, roam your hands all around, get your happy ending and a vitac500 or juice. Like with everything in life YMMV. Sometimes the girl may stay fully clothed, but usually will at least be topless, some places fully nude with a short BBBJ. If the girl likes you, you should be able to touch everywhere, if not then you may face resistance. These places are tolerated by the authorities because they don't involve G2G contact.

Korean girls who work at these places have doll faces, and even girls with implants are still relatively small but you may find a thicker girl with awesome naturals. Koreans are bony in the rear unlike the ladies of Japan who typically have some back. Don't believe the age they tell you as K-Girls age very slowly and 28 year old girl can very well pass as a 22 year old. If you add 5 to the age that you think they are on first glance, you are probably right.

As for barber shop pole places. They are not the same as An-Mas and shouldn't be referred to as such. Barber poles attached to a Sauna, are likely legit and usually involve hair cutting and massages given in a public bath or jimjilbang. Barber poles pointing to a location in the basement or upstairs is probably the ones you need for the good stuff esp if they are still open past 10pm. Places on the ground floor usually cut hair although may have a secret room attached for additional services if the outside windows are frosted. If you aren't picky I think these are good places to relax for 40, 000 to 80, 000 won. Barber poles that spin around a little slowly and says stuff on it are for sports massage places. They tend to cost more but offer better services. If it spins real slow and has a picture of a woman, they are beauty salons that only cut hair.

Actual An-Ma places (soapy massage joints with FS) are not that easy to find but are around. But be fearful of crackdowns and shelling out over 100, 000 and often 180, 000 won for a girl that may not be all that hot or friendly may not be the best. Locals probably frequent places where they possibly make reservations in advance for girls they know are good.

I haven't been inside a Love Motel, but I guess they operate through street girls around the places and through call girl services. I imagine business cards inside?

Everyone's dream is to be able to go to a high end room salon and take a girl for 2cha afterwards. But who has that kind of dough, unless it's on the company card. Noraebangs and DVD bangs are sometimes a poor man's room salon in disguise, but when getting a helper don't expect a stunner.

Classified ads and business cards I imagine are no different than in the states. Probably an agency and you never get the girl pictured. Becoming a more first world, wealthy nation seems to mean that you become more and more like the USA Things become harder, more costly and less and less accessible to those are not in the know. There is always Thailand and the Phillipines which should be good for a few decades.

[Ezinho]

Bros,

Is there any consensus on the proper rate for the hill? I've seen people say they've paid from $50. $150 USD here on the board, I've been quoted 60, 000. 150, 000 Won when there myself and usually talk down to 50, 000-80, 000.

The rates don't make a lot of sense to me as you get most of the worn out girls on the hill performing quickies whereas in other areas, even as a foreigner, you can get FS for $40-50 (see my posts about Jinju for instance).

What say ye?

Ho boy, you're opening a can of worms with this question!

This is something I've often wondered about as well; like you, I've noticed the prices on here vary wildly from one monger to the next. I would say, a lot of it depends on your negotiation skills. I bet (or, assume may be a better word) that a lot of guys pay the first price that the girls ask without even trying to negotioate.

Is it safe to assume that most girls quote 50k for a HJ. 100k for a BJ, and 200k for quickie FS? And we can bargain the price down around 50% for these "activities"? Am I totally off base here?

What say you, Seoul thread? Let the debate begin!

[Rick Rock]

Bros,

Is there any consensus on the proper rate for the hill? I've seen people say they've paid from $50. $150 USD here on the board, I've been quoted 60, 000. 150, 000 Won when there myself and usually talk down to 50, 000-80, 000.

The rates don't make a lot of sense to me as you get most of the worn out girls on the hill performing quickies whereas in other areas, even as a foreigner, you can get FS for $40-50 (see my posts about Jinju for instance).

What say ye?

[Jojo407]

Went to the Hill on this rainy Tuesday.

Went to see Na Na at Texas to inquire about AR and BBBJ. She said 200, I said maybe next time. I want AR but not for 2 large.

Later, I went to see Bean at Bridge. Some have made a post or two about her. Sexy as hell. Big, thick, stumpy legs with a slim torso and wide hips. Not a bubble butt, but still great. She's short and has a pretty face. Her English sounds a lot cuter than most Korean girls, especially cuter. I got FS for 100. Which is a deal if you ask me. She said 150 at first but I talked her down on account of the weather and the time of the month, at the end of the month not many people have money[most get paid on the 1st or 15th].

The service was pretty good. She's really stumpy when she takes off her clothes. But also sexy. Deep throat BJ to the sack, nearly. It was covered but what the hey. Some ball licking. Fake moans, no body kissing, not really GFE. Not really "tight" if you know what I mean, and I'm not average or small by any standard.

The service was good but I "completed" a little too fast on account of the ass I was dealing with. I have a thing for thick girls. I should have fapped before coming. I just didn't really plan ahead.

Wish she gave me a Vitamin C shot at the end like some places I go to. That's a sign of me getting spoiled. In the USA would you ever expect a juice or vitamin see shot after a provider visit. Never!

Will repeat but will prepare more next time.

[Firebird]

Late to provide short report for one week stay in Seoul beginning of May. Using the valued information on the Forum made my way to the Itaewon Bar district. Better known as the "hooker hill".

Easiest way to get the is to take taxi, perhaps to a know landmark such as the Hamilton Hotel. With the hotel to your back walk left several blocks until you reach intersection with Donkin Donuts. Cross the street toward Dunkin donut and keep walking. You are there. Short distance further "ahead" and street turn to left you will see small bars.

As you walk by a door it may open and get invited in for some "fun and play". Negotiate your price.

I tried several but the worst was ABC. Crazy mamasan sat with us. What a pain. Then led by the young girl to dirty room across street. I would not repeat that again.

I did have couple of good sessions at Nymph. Easy going and lot of fun.

You will also find "bars" where you get invited to pay for girlie drink. Price is steep so watch your bill as it can add up rather quickly.

Hooker hill is good option for some fast fun but does not compare to action to be had in Thailand or Hong Kong.

Stay safe.

[Incocknito]

Hi,

Going to a BIZ trip to Seoul end of next week. I'll stay at Ibis located between Seollung station and COEX@DAECHI-Dong.

I am looking for massage parlor (Anma) with full service.

Recommendations are highly appreciated.

Thanks in advance for your comments!

[Frank M]

i decided to toftt and make an appointment with the lady advertising a massage on cl in the therapeutic section. (ad below) the hardest part was setting up the appointment via e-mail. she does have a phone and i will call her for a future appointments.

she is thai, around 5'2' and 110-120lbs. dressed, she looks great. naked, she looks even better. her pricing structure was 80k for a massage and 150k for a naked massage and extras. i asked if fs or daty were options but she said no (damn!)

the time with her was excellent. her massage consisted of a full body (front and back) pressure and stretching massage and a full body (front and back) oil massage. the massage was advertised as an hour but it lasted closer to 1. 5 hrs. be forewarned, her pressure massage can be a little painful. she finished wiht a combination hj / bbbj.

while she was naked during the time together, i limited myself to minimal roaming. i do not think she would have stopped me if i wanted to do more, but for the first visit, i wanted to more of a gentleman.

'looking for massage by pretty girl?

i can provide you very relaxful massage service at comfort of your hotel room.

feel free to ask for more details.

outcall massage to hotel only. '

[Ezinho]

Well after 5 years I am officially banned. I had been enjoying the young talent, however things have suddenly taken a turn. The troll mamas an scared away most of her girls, probably by working them ragged. Leaving only 1 worn out 19 year old, who recently tried to commit suicide (bandages around her wrist). Being the shit magnet that I am, she starting texting me on her days off, wanting to meet. Apparently, the troll caught wind of this, and put a stop to that pretty quickly, saying she could not have "feelings" for customers.

Friday evening, I received a cold reception from the mamasan (also because I pay the lowest rate but tip the girl directly). You would think after 5 years of my business she would be more welcoming.

Pretty intense GFE, she even told me she would defy mamsan and meet me next week. She became pretty emotional during the action, and wouldn't let me finish. Mamas an kept called because I exceeded the Friday night time limit, and literally busted in the door to their "apartment". My SP started yelling and crying, saying I was a bad guy, yada yada.

Had to wander down the hill, to finish off with a very accommodating new provider.

WTF was that all about? I have had numerous 3 ways with her fellow SPs, yet she gets Korean wiggy on me. I will admit that I will miss that place. Enjoy but be warned!

Wow, JR, what a story. Personally, that troll mamasan is too much for me to handle. She seems to be bipolar or something; one minute she's yelling at you about the price, and the next minute she's calm and rational. My un-professional opinion, anyway. It's too bad because she seems to have access to some nice, young talent, which is just what the Hill needs, IMHO. Too bad she's mentally ill.

Speaking of young talent, has anyone seen Min Hee, the girl with the nice ass that used to work at Nymph and then VIP? I went to VIP last week early in the morning (5 am) and she wasn't there. Ji Hye was there, but she's starting to look quite ragged; she really should have gotten out of this game years ago. She still has big tits but they're sagging. Oh well, still good for a quick BJ / HJ, I guess.

[Jack Rabbit]

Well after 5 years I am officially banned. I had been enjoying the young talent, however things have suddenly taken a turn. The troll mamas an scared away most of her girls, probably by working them ragged. Leaving only 1 worn out 19 year old, who recently tried to commit suicide (bandages around her wrist). Being the shit magnet that I am, she starting texting me on her days off, wanting to meet. Apparently, the troll caught wind of this, and put a stop to that pretty quickly, saying she could not have "feelings" for customers.

Friday evening, I received a cold reception from the mamasan (also because I pay the lowest rate but tip the girl directly). You would think after 5 years of my business she would be more welcoming.

Pretty intense GFE, she even told me she would defy mamsan and meet me next week. She became pretty emotional during the action, and wouldn't let me finish. Mamas an kept called because I exceeded the Friday night time limit, and literally busted in the door to their "apartment". My SP started yelling and crying, saying I was a bad guy, yada yada.

Had to wander down the hill, to finish off with a very accommodating new provider.

WTF was that all about? I have had numerous 3 ways with her fellow SPs, yet she gets Korean wiggy on me. I will admit that I will miss that place. Enjoy but be warned!

[Yarichin]

I'm here for a month or more and curious. But I'm afraid I'll be let down.

After going to soaplands and what not in Japan what can I do that won't terribly disappoint me here? I speak zero Korean and have only been lucky in normal clubs with 7's that happen to speak English.

Also are ya'll really going to do a room salon event? Mid 20's here that's up for it.

[EisFlamme]

Yesterday I finally arrived in Seoul with a serious case of blue balls. Decided that I would go a bit off the beaten path and try some new places I didn't read about in the forum. Initially I had planned to hit Kangnam around 4pm to beat the office workers but traffic in Seoul was a ***** (as always) and I ended up there around 6. 30pm.

1. Mol-Di-Ba Anma (name only in Korean, this is how it would be read)

Walked from Yeoksam Station towards Seollung Station (I think). Around Bang Bang Plaza I turned into a side street an you could see a very stylish black cubicle at the end of it, calling itself Mol-Di-Ba (guess its supposed to mean 'Moldiva')

Way greeted by Mamasan and several guys. One of them let me to a room and I was welcomed by Ji-Yeon. She is about 1, 60m. Face is an 8. Body only a 6 (A cups and no ass, tiny belly). The way she washed me reminded me of the way, a mom would wash her kids: Very efficient, not caring whether you like it or not. My forebrain was greeted with a few rough rubs. I tried to touch her, but she didn't really encourage it. There was no kissing at all, which was fine with me because she is a smoker.

After the shower followed the B2B massage, to which she added a little big of fake moaning. Here I wished her tits would have been bigger, because it actually felt kind of nice. Then she started a BBBJ and Halleluja, she knew how to give a blowjob. No hands, just the mouth, great tongue action. After a while she stops, washes down the slippery stuff and we continue on the bed. Again, great BBBJ and also 69. When I started to lick her, the fake moaning changed to a genuine moaning and I could feel her clit swelling. When I started to DATY seriously she stopped sucking and just enjoyed it for a while. We then proceeded with cowgirl, and several other positions until I blew my load in missionary.

No cuddling afterwards, instead she instantly took a shower and lay then besides me to smoke (though she first asked if its ok). We talked for a while about this and that. I tried to convince her to teach me how to say 'blowjob' and stuff in Korean but she seriously told me that she didn't know how to say that and that I should not use this kind of language anyway, LOL. When the phone rang she gave me a last shower, helped me dress and hugged me.

Price: 190. 000 W.

I give the performance a C, no GFE, quite professional but the BJ helped a lot.

According to Ji-Yeon the Anma is foreigner friendly. I have a business card with a map and a number. As soon as I manage to pay the subscription (will be back in Europe on Thursday) I can PM you details.

2. Paradise Massage (again, only written in Korean)

After the Anma I decided to gamble a bit and went to the 7 Luck Casino. Started with 100. 000W and told myself: 'As soon as you have enough winnings for a BJ, you will stop. ' After an hour of roulette I had enough for a BJ by which I told myself: 'As soon as you have won enough for two BJ, you will stop! ' Of course I lost all my winnings, putting me back to square one. Because I had spent far two much time in taxis and subways on that day I decided that it would be nice to get an actual massage instead of a BJ. So I left the Casino, crossed the street and went into the first side street. There I turned left at the second street and walked until I saw a barber pole. Downstairs I was greeted by an older guy which first made me worry, but he assured me that there would be girls as well. After a quick shower I was greeted by a woman. Face was a 6, she was a bit heaver that the average Korean girl but still a nice body. Age about 30 I'the say. But: She gave an excellent massage! Really knew how to get rid of all the knots, asked her to work on my neck for longer than usual which she did. After she had taken care of my back, she removed my shorts and started to rub my dick into battle mode. It was a bit strange because I was still on my belly, so she made me flip on my back and started to get serious. While she gave me a HJ, I fingered her. Unfortunately she never fully removed her clothing. She started to enjoy my treatment and shivered while she never stopped rubbing me. When I started to increase my service she suddenly took one hand and began to finger my ass. I was like WTH? She didn't penetrate, just rubbed the entry and weirdly I enjoyed it. Took me not look to come and I shot my load at her. She giggled and told me that it was so much. Then she cleaned my and left the room, making me think that its over. But no, she returned and started to massage my legs, again excellently. It was so good that by the end of the session I was hard again. She noticed that with a laugh, gave me a few goodbye strokes but then made me put on my clothes.

Price: 80. 000 W.

The performance gets an A. Awesome massage and a very interesting HJ. Personwise she was very nice as well. According to her, foreigners are welcome.

3. VIP massage.

No, this is not the famous VIP massage (at least I think so). This one is about 500 m down the street from the Kangnam Casino (same street, just opposite) at the corner building.

Because the previous lady had left me with a hard one I wanted to get a BJ. But then I got lazy again so I decided to get another massage with happy ending, just to get a comparison to the previous one.

The rooms were nicer than before. I was greeted by Ji-Ah (I think that was her name) , very thin girl, nice ass, A cups. 7 face, cute and quirky personality.

Her massage could not be compared to the one I got at Paradise but I had a great chat with her. She told me about herself (she's a student) , where she would like to travel etc. When she started to stroke my dick, I planned to return the favor and tried to remove her underwear. But she just smiled and said this wasn't allowed by the house. So I rub her through the underwear which she seems to enjoy, because she positions herself better and spreads the legs a bit more. But every time I try to remove that dreaded slip she smiles and says no. I am persistent and tell her that I just would like to return her favor. She replied that I would have to compensate her if I am serious. When I ask her how much she would expect she tells me that it would be up to me. I was almost broke at that point to I didn't take her offer. It took her a bit longer to finish me off, considering that I already had shot my load twice. After I came she washes me and plays a little bit with my dick (giggling and talking to it, LOL). Gave a her tip, because she was a really nice girl.

Price: 80. 000W.

Her massage was crap but the HJ was very nice. She really tried to stretch the experience as long as possible which I really appreciated. Also she was great to talk to.

According to her they service a lot of foreigners.

Good luck, let me know when you have questions.

[Frank M]

Does anyone have info on a CL massage provider called Allee Runte. On some forum (forgot which one) there was a comment that such a provider was really a tranny. I am more then willing to TOFTT, but if she is really a he, then I would pass. Her pics look good, so if nothing comes back on he, are then the appointment is on.

Thanks in advance for any input.

Frank M.

PS I did return to the massage establishment that I reported on before with EXCELLENT results. She far exceeded my high expectations. It pays to be nice, tip well and to be a repeat customer.

[Catire]

That's an awesome gf you have.

I've never seen a massage place for couples. But here is a link to a Google Translate page to ask "Do you accept couples?" It'll also give you an idea of what characters to look for if your sign searching.

http://translate.google.com/

#ko|en|%EC%BB%A4%ED%94%8C%EC%9C%BC%EB%A1%9C%20%ED%95%A0%EC%88%98%EC%9E%88%EC%96%before%EC%9A%94%3F%0A.

Probably the most foreigner friendly area is Itaewon just because there are so many of them there. Motels (everywhere) are very cheap during the day if you state that you just need to "rest" which means a 3-4 hours and you can get amazing room for just $25. So you might just entice a pretty woman to join you for a nooner.

Your message sparked a story a friend told me. We were walking and saw a sign for the bar. She stated that bar is for women because very handsome men would serve you drinks and talk with you. I guess like a juicy bar for women. The guys are like Korean Idols (which means like a celebrity). Well she went on to say that there are also room salons for women too where you rent a room and a very handsome man (men) serves you drinks and food. She told me that most women are very overwhelmed and too embarrassed by the guy and the whole situation. So most of the time the hired guy in the room is just having the most fun just teasing the girls and making them blush. BUT when the women who themselves work at room salons or juicy bars go to these women-oriented room salons they literally tear apart the hired men and humiliate the guy making him do all sorts of demeaning stuff. This was very funny because my friend was saying the last part with a very large evil smile and wide daydreaming eyes.

There are many male room salons for Korean women in Gangnam. Their existence is no secret.

Wealthy adjummas come there looking for young boys with washboard abs, and take them to a love motel where they have to strip and do sexy dances for them and then do the dirty deed. This would be an attractive side job, but when I asked some Koreans about whether the guy has a choice whether to go or not to go with a female client, I was told you have no choice and have to go with whatever dirty old bat chooses you.