Manila

[DuckSign]

Was trying to hold back for a while, but hear me on this.

Some gals I met at the commercial scenes being at bar, KTV, or massage joint; I wouldn't even touch them even if they are free.

So, it's technically and practically wrong to generalize a fair price to pay for a girl (or an experience). Some girls deserve more, some places deserve higher rate.

I do quite agree someone posted earlier about 'not try to overpay what a local would pay'. Only part I would like to change here is 'local' to 'regular'.

We all know these : KTV gal rate in most part of Asia is higher than bar girls, and also higher than massage parlour.

So, a night of fun in KTV with a gal take out in a high end KTV in manila can cost 15K. These joints exist for a reason and they have existed for a very long time.

Let's leave the judgement of how others spent their money within oneself.

Cheers

Hmmm.

Does anyone else think the interest is vested?

[Dsinhou]

Is there any action walking around / sitting at the Peninsula bar?

Just wondering

[OnlyMe]

Was trying to hold back for a while, but hear me on this.

Some gals I met at the commercial scenes being at bar, KTV, or massage joint; I wouldn't even touch them even if they are free.

So, it's technically and practically wrong to generalize a fair price to pay for a girl (or an experience). Some girls deserve more, some places deserve higher rate.

I do quite agree someone posted earlier about 'not try to overpay what a local would pay'. Only part I would like to change here is 'local' to 'regular'.

We all know these : KTV gal rate in most part of Asia is higher than bar girls, and also higher than massage parlour.

So, a night of fun in KTV with a gal take out in a high end KTV in manila can cost 15K. These joints exist for a reason and they have existed for a very long time.

Let's leave the judgement of how others spent their money within oneself.

Cheers

[Slippery]

That post was about 3 days ago. Are we a little thin skinned?

[Liondale]

Maybe it's just me, but it didn't sound like Liondale was running from bar to bar spending 12k looking for a BJ. He spent 10K on a bottle of whiskey and some LDs of which he has half a bottle of the whiskey left (granted 7k for a bottle of Black label seems like Vegas bottle service prices, but that's his decision).1k was for two 500 peso tips for a BJ in the back of a different club. To me, that's pretty reasonable considering his mind is working off of a half bottle of whiskey at this point and if he is / was new, the girls might have tried to take him for much more. The final 3k was for full service (although he mentions the deep throat, he doesn't say that's all he got) fun back at the hotel. Sure, if you add it up, it was a high price night, but it wasn't like the guy was just focused on getting lucky, as he also wanted to drink and enjoy himself. I have a friend who's had nights like these in the states and it's cost him a few thousand US dollars each night.

If you are going to have nights like these, it's hell of a lot better to have them in the Philippines than the states. And, it looks like he really only spent 4k on the actual girls, so he's not (as some people complain) raising the costs on everyone else. Just my two cents.

Thanks Petey, you are correct.

The reason I got pissed off at Slippery's comment was not his opinion of me overspending, he is entitled to think so. Some are happy eating McDonalds everyday, others are willing to pay extra for a finer meal, some only want finer meals, it is a matter of taste. What I disliked was his totally arrogant, unconstructive and negative comment that did not help anyone, and for a newbie would probably be very demotivating. We are here to share and learn from each other's experiences. If Slippery felt I had fucked up, then he could have instead shared some of his experiences on how to do it differently. That would actually have helped the fellow mongerers.

That said, I deliberately posted the costs at Pharaoh because that is one of the most valuable insights I like to have when I go to a new place, so I know what cost to budget for and know how to avoid getting ripped off. Pharaoh is a higher end KTV so of course the prices are higher. Take it or leave it, it is up to each to decide.

The BBBJ's I got later at Burgos was at 500 a piece in one bar, and 2 lady drinks in the other. Not sure if Slippery even read or comprehended this part, but it is not possible to get it much cheaper I believe.

3k was my tip to the girl who came to my hotel after he job and of course did a full FJ.

[Liondale]

Hey guys!

I will be going to Phi in a week or two. Have some plans near Manila for a few days, but have a couple days free time before and after, and I would like to spend them Monging.

Been to BKK and PNP. I AM on a limited budget, and am trying to figure out exactly how many days I can afford.

I prefer FL just because there is no BF attached. But seems most of the info on here is about BGs and MPs. Don't like the MPs. BGs are OK, but as stated, would rather save the BFs for more action, as the cost does build up over the days!

So, these questions:

Good hotel?"The Duck Inn" would be perfect, even without it matching my nick. Right price, but I don't think the location is right for Makati. Looking for something like that one though. Any info?

Freelancers? Where can one find them (as safely as possible! I am somewhat experienced and I think I can handle most mischief they may try and throw at me.

Prices? I have heard a base of 1500p LT. 1000p ST Correct? What about 2 girls? Is there a bulk discount (as there was in BKK) or do you pay full for both girls?

Those are the quandaries I am considering before I buy my ticket, as I need to figure out how many days I can stay. (Trying to get the most out of it I can!)

Thanks!

FL's, only place I know with reasonable selection is Havana in Greenbelt. Otherwise, sign up to Date in Asia, definitely the place to find the best bargains if you have the time to do it.

Optionally, go to Burgos but do the deed on-site, most bars will offer in-call facilities, never tried those though, but that means less barfine at least.

[Susu Lover]

Who is an exper in what is the going rate?

Prostituition in general is not built on a set rate like buying good or provisions.

When you go to a local market the price depends on the days supply vs demand. Even for locals prices vary from day to day. But the locals are smart in the sense they stay away from high priced fish or vegetables for that day.

Ofcourse if foreigners go to the market they would not know the average rate of anything. So they buy what they need irrespective of the price. Does that mean the seller can hike up the price for locals? The answer is NO.

If the seller demands foreigner prices for his wares locals would avoid that product forcing the seller to lower his price. Remember his core base of buyer are locals. He will not survive on on and off foreigner clients.

Now that I have given a lecture on economics.

Apart from fixed price + tip or no tip in places like AC, Massage places at many destinations etc, the price is fixed between the guy and the girl. There are some or many of us who have a budget on what we are willing to give the girl. If some girl demands more than our budget we refuse. Ofcourse there are some of us who agree for any price.

Who is right?

Both are. People who pay high prices cannot do it all the time so the girl has learned to demand more and settle for less depending on her finance.

Going rate will not change just because few punters want to pay more on occasion.

Wait a minute. Demand for P4P women is INELASTIC. Meaning, changes in prices do not change demand. Dude, that is a law. Do you honestly mean that IF the going price of an AC-style barfine increases. That demand will decrease?

Nope. Oldest profession.

(Honestly, I do not see any broke-ass stunners who demand high prices. Why? F'ing demand is always going to be high for stunners, whatever the cost. Hence, INELASTIC demand. Maybe you will not buy it. But someone will) To use your example, sellers of overpriced items would not survive in your market. But your market is based upon an ELASTIC demand of goods. Demand for pussy will never change.

So here is the key factor my mongering friend. The AVERAGE price of an AC-styled barfine is based on the scarcity of resources. Of the country who hosts the market. Just look at Thailand. The Baht has grown considerably on one hand and so has the barfine. Doubly doo-doo. However, you still see ex-pats paying. But who they pay for has changed. It is those with the ways and means to follow the market trends that fuels this market growth.

So, if you really want to make an impression on the market? Buy local foods, stay at cheap mom and pop hotels, don't go shopping at the mall, don't play golf, don't go to the mega-bars and barfine / drink, etc. Doing that makes the rich, richer and brings larger investors into the market who will spend a premium for nicer venues. Er. These venues will try to recoup the investment by charging higher prices. DOESN'T THIS MAKE MORE SENSE TO EVERYONE?

Fcuk, I should write a PhD dissertation on this subject.

SuSu

[Danibbler]

Natty, thanks for the FANTASTIC report. One of the best on here! Wish you had a review on Sabang, though, because I'm seriously considering a trip to the Phils in June / July for a week. But, if I could get your experience, I might as well stay in Manila! Hehehe

[Sammon]

Who is an exper in what is the going rate?

Prostituition in general is not built on a set rate like buying good or provisions.

When you go to a local market the price depends on the days supply vs demand. Even for locals prices vary from day to day. But the locals are smart in the sense they stay away from high priced fish or vegetables for that day.

Ofcourse if foreigners go to the market they would not know the average rate of anything. So they buy what they need irrespective of the price. Does that mean the seller can hike up the price for locals? The answer is NO.

If the seller demands foreigner prices for his wares locals would avoid that product forcing the seller to lower his price. Remember his core base of buyer are locals. He will not survive on on and off foreigner clients.

Now that I have given a lecture on economics.

Apart from fixed price + tip or no tip in places like AC, Massage places at many destinations etc, the price is fixed between the guy and the girl. There are some or many of us who have a budget on what we are willing to give the girl. If some girl demands more than our budget we refuse. Ofcourse there are some of us who agree for any price.

Who is right?

Both are. People who pay high prices cannot do it all the time so the girl has learned to demand more and settle for less depending on her finance.

Going rate will not change just because few punters want to pay more on occasion.

[Member #4698]

Are there any other bars in Makati / Manila wher bjs are available? Sounds like fun.

Personally, I have only had the Rogues in bar experience. I am still a relative newbie to the Makati scene with only 5 nights of action. One of the great things for me about that night at Rogues was that the girls caught me by surprise. I knew from reading the forum and doing my homework that there were bars on Burgos that featured "live interaction," but I was not expecting BBBJ's that night when I suggested to the girls we go to one of the booths. I went to Rogues solely because it is a highly recommended bar and I now confirm this good opinion.

I do recall reading somewhere that Bottoms was another bar featuring "live interaction." Someone else will have to confirm this. Also let me refer you to Dragon Slayer's recent report entitled "Makati City, Skimming Pussy' post #162 found in his Metro Manila thread. He got his jollies off at Mirrors bar in one of their private rooms.

I had a real good time in Manila. I hooked up with girls in Havana Cafe, Rogues, Jools and Flite 168 soapy massage parlor in Air Force 0ne. There is a lot of diversity here in terms of girls, bars and pricing. So any trip to the Philippines should include at least a few nights in Manila IMHO.

[FreebieFan]

Have a forthcoming Manila trip that I have determined will be slightly different to the endless procession of "Hi how are you lets bonk " that I usually have.

Last trip bought an absolute sweetie from Cebu to Manila where we had 24 hours of magic. Sweet. 19 with permanent smile, and has an attitude that will never say no.

So for this trip, I'm going to have her for 60 hours. Have the school uniforms (2) , the leather bondage wear, the nurse outfit, and various other pieces of see thru slutwear packed. Last time I took 200 pics of this little darling, this time maybe 500. Anyways will be a welcome change of pace for me.

Of course after she departs I have two or maybe 3 other ladies who might also enjoy The Freebie Experience LOL.

Separately, does anyone know anything about Ayalas Nuvali project?

And now please excuse me, I have to take a train from Taipei to Taicung where a 22 yr old Filipina is in need of The Freebie Experience!

In addition to what I mentioned above, I should have stated that I also bought this sweet girl some white schoolgirl socks and white panties. My purpose being I want to to achieve some of the Japanese kogal type schoolgirl pics. But I think my tastes are becoming a little more delightfully perverted as I age not quite so gracefully LOL.

Is it only me or does everyone else feel they get worse as they get older.

For instance, I've walked past thousands of womens shoe shops in my life but in past few years, if I see a pair of killer heels (5 inch plus) I'm often thinking of how my current "babe du jour" would look in such shoes (probably with nothing else on ).

Freebie in reflective moment.

[DuckSign]

Hey guys!

I will be going to Phi in a week or two. Have some plans near Manila for a few days, but have a couple days free time before and after, and I would like to spend them Monging.

Been to BKK and PNP. I AM on a limited budget, and am trying to figure out exactly how many days I can afford.

I prefer FL just because there is no BF attached. But seems most of the info on here is about BGs and MPs. Don't like the MPs. BGs are OK, but as stated, would rather save the BFs for more action, as the cost does build up over the days!

So, these questions:

Good hotel?"The Duck Inn" would be perfect, even without it matching my nick. Right price, but I don't think the location is right for Makati. Looking for something like that one though. Any info?

Freelancers? Where can one find them (as safely as possible! I am somewhat experienced and I think I can handle most mischief they may try and throw at me.

Prices? I have heard a base of 1500p LT. 1000p ST Correct? What about 2 girls? Is there a bulk discount (as there was in BKK) or do you pay full for both girls?

Those are the quandaries I am considering before I buy my ticket, as I need to figure out how many days I can stay. (Trying to get the most out of it I can!)

Thanks!

[Gangles]

This discussion about prices, tips and payments has been had many times before.

It seems to me that there are two components to the debate.

How much an individual spend on themselves and / or others.

And the prices that people pay for specific personal services such as massage, sex, etc.

There is a fundamental rule in any country, and that is to pay no more than the local going rate. Otherwise you distort the market.

But there are guys here who say that they do not care, it is up to them as to what they pay.

That is an invalid argument, spoken out of ignorance.

I think mostly because they have never personally experienced the effects of this type of behaviour to understand the after effects.

I have two examples.

First, during the Vietnam war, Australia was a R&R centre for US servicemen. Mostly in Sydney.

They had pockets full of dollars, did not care what they paid, spent money like drunken sailors.

The price of everything escalated dramatically, grog, bars, women, taxis, hotels, tours. A lot of my mates, also military, were really angry that their lifestyle was severely impacted, and there was a lot of ill feeling towards the visiting American servicemen. Once the war was over, and the yanks went home, prices did not return to pre-war levels, because additional costs had now been built into most things. So the effect was permanent.

Worse, many of the poorer people, living close to the breadline were severely impacted.

Second, A long time ago, as a military surveyor, I took about 60 guys, equipment, planes, helicopters and some vessels, to Papua New Guinea to survey the country for mapping purposes.

My main base was in Goroka, in the Southern Highlands.

Every morning, my cook would go to the local market to buy fruit ad vegetables. Often I would go with him. We bought relatively large quantities, because of our numbers. So ther was a lot of money in it.

We did not care what we paid, we paid what was asked. Usually we paid well above the going rate.

However, after a while, my boss-boy, Aupi (who was chief of 3 villages) told me that now in the market, the vendors would not sell anything to the locals until we had been and done our buying for the day. So the whole community was being adversely affected because we were not paying the local rate.

Once I was aware of this, we took Aupi with us, and he made sure that we paid only the going local rate. Life settled back to normal for the locals.

So as a matter of principle, you should aim to pay no more than the going rate for any services. However, recognise that prices vary, from supplier to supplier. Some of the top end bars along Quezon Avenue may charge 12, 000 for a barfine, while others in Ermita may charge 1500. So be it, but do not pay more than the going price for the service that you are buying. And do not distort the market by tipping above the local rate. That is the same as paying over the rate.

It may make you feel good to splash money around, but that is doing a lot of permanent damage to the local people.

G

[FreebieFan]

Have a forthcoming Manila trip that I have determined will be slightly different to the endless procession of "Hi how are you lets bonk " that I usually have.

Last trip bought an absolute sweetie from Cebu to Manila where we had 24 hours of magic. Sweet. 19 with permanent smile, and has an attitude that will never say no.

So for this trip, I'm going to have her for 60 hours. Have the school uniforms (2) , the leather bondage wear, the nurse outfit, and various other pieces of see thru slutwear packed. Last time I took 200 pics of this little darling, this time maybe 500. Anyways will be a welcome change of pace for me.

Of course after she departs I have two or maybe 3 other ladies who might also enjoy The Freebie Experience LOL.

Separately, does anyone know anything about Ayalas Nuvali project?

And now please excuse me, I have to take a train from Taipei to Taicung where a 22 yr old Filipina is in need of The Freebie Experience!

[GoodEnough]

I recognize that this is a somewhat pointless debate, as what's a pittance to some is a substantial investment to others, and what's fun for some may be undesirable for some as well. This reminds me of a similar debate raging on another board hosted by Yahoo, about the costs of living here and the relationship of the costs of living in the Philippines compared to living in Europe or the States. It's another debate that's incapable of resolution.

Some of the guys in the Yahoo group claim to live well on $500 a month, including rent. Others contend that while that's not possible, they live well on $1, 000, while others insist that they spend $5, 000 or more. I'm sure that all are correct, and that the concept of "living well" is predicated on personal standards of acceptability. I'm guessing it's the same situation here. Some guys are delighted with Php1, 500 pick-ups in MBC or similar places, while others recoil from this and prefer higher-priced, perhaps more sophisticated women from commercial service organizations. Who cares so long as the individual punter is happy with the choices he's made? Just as an aside, I recently returned from a two-day business trip to Makati, and in my forays noticed guys wearing clothes I wouldn't even sleep in to guys in $2, 000 suits; who am I to say which ones were happier?