Angeles City

[HenryV]

notwithstanding the fact i agree no means no, your statement: "they do not have to sex you just because you have paid the bar fine" is somewhat sophomoric. what do they think is behind the reason for bfing, discussing field density and it's relationship to gravitational phenomenon?

the other point here, again to protect "us," is to let them know "word gets around."

henryv what do you think happened?

i for one think the bar was not in on it. and why the guy not name the girl or went back to the bar to complain.

i had bar girls tell me they have been abused by guys and all they have done is warn other bar girls so they not get bar fined by the guy. that why when i read here guys getting refused bar fines i repeat that they do not have to sex you just because you have paid the bar fine. they can leave with out having sex and can claim [CodeWord123] if you force them.

[Wolvenvacht]

Not quite correct depending on your definition of sex. I like to get BJs from cherry girls.:)

BJs are not sex. Ask Bill "I-did-not-have-sex-with-that-woman" Clinton.

[DriveAllNight]

This is not the first time this has happened with Gecko's. Has happened before with another Gecko girl as reported in another forum. That PIAtNight forum. Google for it, the member's handle is "barfiner".

No shit? Barfiner is a buddy of mine. He's lived in Sabang for years, a totally square guy.

That dude has seen the whole movie when it comes to bargirl antics. If he says Gecko's is bad news, you can bank that.

[Wadman]

i'm not so sure about that.

a lot of guys, particularly older asian men, just barfine girls to go barhopping, drinking and have a sexless sleepover. in fact, the very concept of "cherry girls" contridict your claims that sex must be on the table.

while some of the older guys do indeed want companionship only i believe they are in the minority in ac. age-wise, there is a fairly even distribution for ac mongers. you see young guys, middle aged guys and older guys too.

at least cherry girls are upfront about the no sex part (no vaginal sex, anyway).

cherry girls are usually the better looking girls. they make money sucking back lady drinks. and yes, sometimes they are so alluring some guys can't resist in barfining them. doesn't need to sexless btw, lots of cherry girls will do hand jobs, blow jobs, some even take it up the ass.

my point still stands: if a girl (cherry or otherwise) doesn't want to barfine, fair enough. if she does, and she agreed to boom boom, then yes! the guy has a right to expect it! not that you can enforce the deal in the pi, mind you.

sometimes, i see some korean guy barfine 6 girls. i doubt he's having sex with all 6.

but he is likely having sex with a couple. the couple he likes.

the point is, if the girl doesn't perform sexually, there is nothing you can do except return to the bar for a refund. any attempt to change her mind, no matter how politely, and you can wind up like "john" in the latest harry the horse article (where john got charged for [CodeWord123]).

very true. with the setup in ac, if the girl refuses there is fuck-all you can do about it. as mentioned, you can *try* for a refund from the bar.

i am not disputing this. just realize that most guys barfine girls for sex, and if the girl is not forthcoming (unless this was made clear before you barfined her) then it's time to name the girls, the bars, and stay away from them.

one strategy guys are using to combat the non-performers is to do sneak-outs: broker a deal with the girl to come by on her own (outside of bar hours). that way you don't pay anything upfront. girls are more than happy to do a st for 1000 p, some maybe even 700 p (caveat: maybe not the spotlight cultural dancers, i rarely deal with them anyway). theoretically speaking, there is nothing to prevent the girl from showing up, not do anything, and still demand money. but i have not heard of any such cases.

ultimately, nothing is guarateed just because you paid a barfine. this is one major weakness of ac mongering: the requirement that you pay first.

agree. once you hand over your money, you can only pray that things go right.

and this is why the koreans are owning fields. they have a reputation for also paying after the deed (in the form of a big tip) which is why the most desirable girls seem to love them. hence, that's why i'd like to see a stronger tipping culture on fields.

i am a decent tipper, probably a bit higher than average although nowhere near korean levels (some girls tell me they tip 3000 p, are you shitting me?).

problem is, the word needs to spread that you are a big tipper before girls' behaviours change. otherwise, how do they know? maybe i should walk around with a button that advertises my tipping rates.

harry said he was unable to reach "john" to find out with precinct booked him. harry said he would have talked to the cops there. this leads me to seriously question john's credibility.

since john's credibility is questionable, there may be little justification to boycott geckos. first, boycotts don't work. i'the be surprised if even 1 in 1000 visitors to angeles city read this forum or harry's newsletter (many visitors are asian and probably don't read english anyway). second, even if the girl was a scammer, she might have done it on her own accord without the bar's involvement.

this is not the first time this has happened with gecko's. has happened before with another gecko girl as reported in another forum. that piatnight forum. google for it, the member's handle is "barfiner".

[FurryFriend]

Not quite correct depending on your definition of sex. I like to get BJs from cherry girls.:)

I'm glad you enjoy them!

My experienced with these girls are, their BJ skills are horrible and that it usually turns out to be more of a HJ.

[Frenzy3]

Agree.

If you let a girl scam you by refusing sex after you payed the barfine, then you are giving up your power to her. PI is a man's town. Lets keep it that way.

I'm curious to know how many guys actually get scammed this way?

You and wadman can talk about the "man's town" when you meet up in jail, plenty of men there will be happy to meet you. Do not expect any ISG guys to visit you.

[GreenBud]

In fact, the very concept of "cherry girls" contridict your claims that sex must be on the table.

Not quite correct depending on your definition of sex. I like to get BJs from cherry girls.:)

[Amjeck]

Please.

If the bargirl doesn't want to have sex, she can refuse my barfine (and some girls don't do boom boom). Which is fine.

If she wants the barfine and the money, she better do the bouncy-bouncy.

Agree.

If you let a girl scam you by refusing sex after you payed the barfine, then you are giving up your power to her. PI is a man's town. Lets keep it that way.

I'm curious to know how many guys actually get scammed this way?

[FurryFriend]

the deal is very much sex for money.

i'm not so sure about that.

a lot of guys, particularly older asian men, just barfine girls to go barhopping, drinking and have a sexless sleepover. in fact, the very concept of "cherry girls" contridict your claims that sex must be on the table.

sometimes, i see some korean guy barfine 6 girls. i doubt he's having sex with all 6.

the point is, if the girl doesn't perform sexually, there is nothing you can do except return to the bar for a refund. any attempt to change her mind, no matter how politely, and you can wind up like "john" in the latest harry the horse article (where john got charged for [CodeWord123]).

ultimately, nothing is guarateed just because you paid a barfine. this is one major weakness of ac mongering: the requirement that you pay first. and this is why the koreans are owning fields. they have a reputation for also paying after the deed (in the form of a big tip) which is why the most desirable girls seem to love them. hence, that's why i'd like to see a stronger tipping culture on fields.

for the full info for fellow mongers i wish harry and also the guy open up and say what exactly happened. we can learn from the ordeal and take precautions accordingly.

harry said he was unable to reach "john" to find out with precinct booked him. harry said he would have talked to the cops there. this leads me to seriously question john's credibility.

since john's credibility is questionable, there may be little justification to boycott geckos. first, boycotts don’t work. i’d be surprised if even 1 in 1000 visitors to angeles city read this forum or harry’s newsletter (many visitors are asian and probably don't read english anyway). second, even if the girl was a scammer, she might have done it on her own accord without the bar’s involvement.

[Barney Rubber]

I did what I said I would do, walked by and when the girl said "Gecko's Sir" I told her "oh no, one of your girls called the police on a customer." The mammason, who was sitting outside, went ballistic. She started saying she got a call from some Danish guy (whatever that is supposed to mean) who also told her this. She was very upset when I told her the incident was "all over the internet."

I would suggest everyone do the same thing, at least they will know that word does get around.

I also take the opportunity to mention it as much as I can.

Talked to the owner of Alaska (Jerry) about it, he seemed to think the truth was somewhere in the middle, notwithstanding, I would still encourage guys to do the above, again, at least they will know that "word gets around."

Good for you. I think a good idea to at least let them know about it. Like Chicken soup."IT COULDN'T HURT" to let them know even if the truth probably is somewhere in between. I've had girls leave early and I avoid arguments, confrontations and also TIPS! It sometimes reminds me I didn't do a good job screening the girl. The guy may have been very stupid but what pissed me off about the original post was that the police got involved which I hate to see barring physical abuse.

I also agree to let people know about it. One reason I'm on this forum is to stay informed. I've already told most of my friends and they ALL appreciate the information. Nobody here knows the truth but we all know SOMETHING HAPPENED! And if anyone decides to continue to frequent Geckos they can, at the very least, use a little more discretion and caution.

[Barney Rubber]

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then what are you doing lurking in the angeles city forum?

that's not my quote! you must have cut and pasted incorrectly! read my original post. i haven't been to pattaya in 2 years!

[Sammon]

henryv what do you think happened?

i for one think the bar was not in on it. and why the guy not name the girl or went back to the bar to complain.

i had bar girls tell me they have been abused by guys and all they have done is warn other bar girls so they not get bar fined by the guy. that why when i read here guys getting refused bar fines i repeat that they do not have to sex you just because you have paid the bar fine. they can leave with out having sex and can claim [CodeWord123] if you force them.

i am sure something like a verbal argument took place between the guy and the girl most probably heated argument because the girl wanted to leave. maybe he tried to force the girl to stay saying he paid the barfine. girl must have threatened to call the police and he might have made a derogatory remark. girl talked about this to some lady who immediately got the idea that everybody can make money out of this.

this is the first time i have heard barfined girl going to the police. girl probably will loose her job but with so many bars she can get a job in another bar.

for the full info for fellow mongers i wish harry and also the guy open up and say what exactly happened. we can learn from the ordeal and take precautions accordingly.

i have barfined maybe a hundred or more girls over the years and never had this problem. yes, i have had runners. yes, i never hold them back. it is better to be alone than with a whiner in the room.

[Wadman]

Wadman in case you missed the post.

Frenzy, I think you are misunderstanding me here.

I am not saying that the law permits you to demand sex from your barfine.

I am not saying that prostitution is legal in the PI.

Even if the girl agreed to sex in the bar, and flatly refuses later, there really isn't all that much you can do about it. You can go back to the bar and TRY to get a refund (good luck with that). I am not saying that either.

What I am saying is this:

Guys barfine bargirls in AC for 1 primary reason: sex.

(yes it's illegal by PI laws, but it is certainly condoned)

The deal is very much sex for money.

This "you pay the EWR for the girl to be released from her work, and anything else is up to the 2 of you" is just the official line that the bars use for legalities. We all know what the deal is.

Without P4P nobody would go to AC.

[Frenzy3]

From "Harry the Horse":

This is John's story: 'This is a little adventure that happened to me a few days ago. I suspect that I am not the first victim of such a scam and would be interested in getting feedbacks from those who have been taken in a similar manner. I book a bar girl around 4 pm from the Gecko bar in Fields avenue (paid 'bar fine', I. E. The fee for an overnight booking) and take her back to my hotel. She orders an expensive meal (she must be hungry, never mind.). Two hours later she asks to leave. I am not overjoyed by this decision and accordingly do not tip her.

At about 9 pm I am called to the reception of the hotel : the girl is there with 4 police officers and I am been accused of brutality and having insulted the philippino police (!). At the police station I find that she has a friend, an older woman, advising her. Her testimony is full of inconsistencies, not to speak of downright lies – description of the physical abuses I subjected her to, claim that she had given my money back, claim that I had told her 'fuck the police' (nice touch I must admit). I am thinking, naively, they can't possibly believe her. They do. At least they pretend to. I am given the choice : obtain her forgiveness (sic) or the lock up with appearance before a judge some times in the future. I get the message. What is the cost of her 'forgiveness'? 5, 000 pesos. I know enough of the Philippines to understand that the police is on the take. Ok. I pay and think its over. No. After talking with her 'advisor' she changes her mind, and insists on pressing charges. I am locked up in a small cell with 8 other people sprawling over the floor. It is my fault, I did not show enough 'remorse'. This is seriously getting out hand. I call a friend who is a resident here. He arrives shortly after and enters negotiations with the police. The price has gone up to 50, 000 pesos. He calls a lawyer of his acquaintance in Manila. The girl and the police understand they have gone too far. The price comes down to 10, 000. Still cheaper than a lawyer's fee'.

http://www.harrythehorse.asia/?p=3766

Wadman in case you missed the post.

[Frenzy3]

If that is your attitude then you should just stay out of the Philippines entirely. As you mentioned, prostitution is against the law. [CodeWord908] even more so. And the [CodeWord908] laws in the PI are so broad that prostitution falls under them. Conviction for [CodeWord908] carries a lifetime prison sentence.

It not my attitude it what the law is here. I live here I know what the locals know. If you bring the "I can do this in Thailand so I can do it here" attitude good luck to you my friend. Like the guy who ended up in the police station getting demands for 50k