Angeles City

[ThatGuy865]

But to continue my previous thread, think about it. If a girl is making 500 p in salary, getting 5 doubles a day (100 peso commission) and 1, 500 from a 3, 000 peso bf. Her total take for the day is 2, 500 peso (not counting any tips) , cuts out the budget guy working the internet or freelance scene. Thats why I think it is going that way, keep / get the best girls in the bar.

You guys leave a lot of your equations. So they are totally off base and wrong.

1st off. 99% of the girls come from provinces far away. Leyte, samar. They DO NOT come using their own fare or money. They are brought by recuiters. They would not be there if it wasn't for the recruiters. Most do not have a place to live or money for food to eat.

They are immediately beholding to the bar. For "Stay in" expenses and food. They also have to pay for their uniforms. So immediately they are essentially "indentured servants". Owning money immediately. So they start behind. Plus they are expect to send money back home.

They immediately are dependent on that salary money. They cannot take the chance of no BF that night or that week. That would mean no food or place to sleep.

Thats one main reason why Free lancing hasn't taken off. These girls do not know how to budget to survive paying rent and utility bills. Most are illiterate.

You guys are thinking from a western eductated point of view. Most of these girls have not went past 6th grade educations. And at poor educated schools at best. They barely know how to read, write, or add simple things.

Secondly I think you all wrong about the new hotels and condo's being built. There is a lot of business expansion going on. Clark Development is booming. They now employ over 60K people on Clark base and expect another 100K in the next 5 to 10 years.

The income that comes from these new businesses, will far surpass that made by the bars. And hire more workers. Maybe not these girls. But local pamanga residence. And they will in turn spend locally helping everyone. Which will mean the bars will not be missed.

Those are business men coming making plans for what Clark is suppose to become. They are considering moving many flights from Manila and rerouting them to CLARK.

If the clark airline expansion happens happens. As planned. Do you really think. The country is going to have a internationally "SCANDALIST" sex zone right off of its international airport.

Do you guys really think they will want that to be the first thing people see or think of when arriving to the PI.

You are only fooling yourselves.

That is what these raids are all about. The bars are not seeing a up surge in traffic. Compared to the number of hotels / condo's being built. And raids have increased yearly. Not decreased. And its not because they just want more money. Thats a tired old reasoning.

Times are changing. They have international pressure to change AC. It got too much publicity for its own good. Now its the center piece for everything wrong with the Sex industry in the PI. True or not. Like it or not. Its the reality.

Will P4P go away. Absolutely not. But I see the number of bars decreasing dramatically. And the way in which they operate change and pricing to meet or exceed burgos. To discourage the industry period. And bring about an exclusive High end crowd to make it seem more respectable.

JMHO.

[X Man]

things may have changed or maybe they are different at the bigger show bars, but i always had other gals or a mamasan give me a heads up (no pun intended) when i offerred to buy a cherry a drink. i've always bought the drink anyway. if i'm going to drink, i might as well drink with the cutest gal in the bar.

i once had a santos ave cherry girl offer a bj,"but only a bj". we had an interesting discussion. i asked her how long she'd worked there and how often she was getting barfined for "bj only". i didn't do this in a cruel way, but at some point i did the math and said,"so you've sucked about 50 cks?".". kiss me baby!"

unfortunately, this interview process is what the more experienced guys do. if you don't, you may very well end up with a girl who won't perform any sex at all. you also have a better chance of the girl fulfilling your other requirements if she agrees to it in the bar (but of course there is no guarantee).

the cherry girl designation is intentionally obfurep001ed to suck more lady drinks out of customers.

well done, sir!

[Matius]

Ummmm it exists already. Those "Daddy's girls" from Golden Nile. 4000 p. For that, maybe you get overnight, maybe just a quickie.

I don't think you will see it this season. Policies being run now are that if a girl is a high earner, either in ladies drinks or "other" she has her commission increased and for "other" is raised to higher tier, usually 3, 000. Agnew's concept of 4, 000 peso has not caught on yet. But last year the price went up from 1, 300 at many bars on Fields, to 1, 500. About May many of the bars (particularly the German owned bars of La Pasha Group and Champaign) raised that price to 1, 800. Its expected many bars at the 1, 500 level today will raise to the 1, 800. Salaries continue to increase for dancers, with many in the bigger bars earning from 350 to 500 plus.

But to continue my previous thread, think about it. If a girl is making 500 p in salary, getting 5 doubles a day (100 peso commission) and 1, 500 from a 3, 000 peso bf. Her total take for the day is 2, 500 peso (not counting any tips) , cuts out the budget guy working the internet or freelance scene. Thats why I think it is going that way, keep / get the best girls in the bar.

[Wadman]

been following the threads on the "no sex" bar-fined girls. i have noticed that many guys are now asking upfront (when they first start "talking" with the girls) :

a) are you on the rag?

b) are you a cherry girl?

c) are you a "spot lite" girl (more expensive)

after that, the sex questions emerge. anal, etc, etc. i guess its just best to ask up front.

unfortunately, this interview process is what the more experienced guys do. if you don't, you may very well end up with a girl who won't perform any sex at all. you also have a better chance of the girl fulfilling your other requirements if she agrees to it in the bar (but of course there is no guarantee).

the cherry girl designation is intentionally obfurep001ed to suck more lady drinks out of customers.

we did skip geckos.

well done, sir!

[Wadman]

With an onslaught of tourists, I foresee a widening of a two tier arrangement already in place (Field v Perimeter). In this widening two tier system, the highest quality girls will get to charge ever higher barfines. Barfines of P4000 are probably just around the corner.

Ummmm it exists already. Those "Daddy's girls" from Golden Nile. 4000 p. For that, maybe you get overnight, maybe just a quickie.

[Wadman]

As for the earlier discussion on Gecko's, that bar's reputation seems one of the hidden secrets. Girls at that bar earn an extra day of salary if they leave their customer and return to the bar before quitting time. Its a built in structure that does not exist at most bars.

Aahhh. Some of the dirty secrets are starting to come out! I knew that some bars don't pay the girls their daily salary if they get barfined early (9 pm for some Fields bars) , but this is the first time I hear that a bar will pay a girl EXTRA to do a runner / early leaver.

[Matius]

The problem with the escalating bar fine structure is the bar business is seasonal and no bar is guaranteed a good night every night during the high season. Pushing girls into higher price brackets and lowering the number of bar fines per girl doesn't make sense when the bar has to pay the girls a salary. Keeping girls in the bar and paying them a base salary is a losing proposition. It would probably result in less girls being hired on for line ups. Then it still doesn't take into consideration the fact that AC's sole attraction is the abundance cheap pussy giving quality GFE not the hotels or anything else. Making Clark an air hub wouldn't necessarily increase the number of mongers especially if prices were to approach Burgos prices. It might actually push mongers into other yet untapped areas of the country. Take away cheap GFE boom boom and concentrated number of bars and the Golden Goose dies.

An alternative view is that the bars are having to pay the girls more, in order to get them into the bars in the first place. The argument about attracting customers with lower prices assumes supply of the product is in abundance. With competition from internet and free lancing, the bar is faced with the choice of paying the best girls the best amounts for their agreement to be employed. Many of the best looking girls no longer work in the bars, they are free lancing or working the internet (same thing really). Talk to hotel owners, some suggest that upwards of 70% of their guests appear to spend most of their time in their room, and are not out bar hopping all night. One can argue that customers will abandon Angeles if prices increase, on a macro level, what is certain in the short-term is that customers will abandon a bar that does not have attractive girls. I've believed for a long time, the trend customers have taken to save a few peso and buy off the street, will eventuate in increased prices in the bars, as money will be paid to attract the talent to fill a stage.

Lets also look at the reality of the bars, the most popular bars on Fields are also the most expensive. You may go to Alaska or Gecko's, but in Atlantis, customers call in advance to get preferred seating for their parties. Everything being said about price control, boycotts, sneak outs at the high end bars, becomes so much noise. The most popular bars, the ones with the largest volume, have the best looking girls and that eventuates in more customers. Not 50 peso beer or 1200 peso bar fines.

Then look at the true price of things. Most of the town does not make its money from the locals on a pension. Its a tourist destination and like they still pack Pattaya, they will pack Angeles. Cause at 50 something plus in your home country, you are not going to get an 20 year old girl to spend the night with you for $150 USA (approx. 6,500 peso). So my opinion is that prices have much room to climb above the dreaded 3, 000 peso being charged for some girls.

As for the earlier discussion on Gecko's, that bar's reputation seems one of the hidden secrets. Girls at that bar earn an extra day of salary if they leave their customer and return to the bar before quitting time. Its a built in structure that does not exist at most bars.

[Ekspat]

Right now, Clark receives direct flights from only four international cities: Hong Kong, Macau, Singapore and Bangkok.

From Kuala Lumpur and Kota Kinabalu as well. And don't forget Asiana from Seoul.

[FurryFriend]

Pushing girls into higher price brackets and lowering the number of bar fines per girl doesn't make sense

It's already happening. When I first visited Angeles City in 2007, barfines were pretty much maxed out at around P1500. Now it's P3000.

Let's be honest here. We can say that something "doesn't make sense". But we're not as qualified as bar owners in determining whether a certain policy maximizes revenue. In general, if they're doing something, it's usually because it's in their financial self-interest.

Keeping girls in the bar and paying them a base salary is a losing proposition.

Not if they're selling drinks like crazy. If I were a bar owner, I would rather have a girl get 1 barfine a week at P3000 than 2 barfines a week at P1500.

hen it still doesn't take into consideration the fact that AC's sole attraction is the abundance cheap pussy giving quality GFE

Do you think Korean guys are in Angeles City to pinch pennies?

Besides, there will ALWAYS be abundance of cheap pussy to attract budget tourists. As I pointed out earlier, most girls don't get barfined on a given night so not all of them can command a P3000 barfine.

I'm only saying that the girls who are most in-demand will get to charge more. It's already happening and it will likely be more extreme in the years ahead.

Making Clark an air hub wouldn't necessarily increase the number of mongers especially if prices were to approach Burgos prices.

Anything that makes it easier to go to Angeles City will only attract more visitors.

Right now, Clark receives direct flights from only four international cities: Hong Kong, Macau, Singapore and Bangkok. Once AirAsia is fully operational in Clark, you'll probably increase that to 20 cities. How can that NOT result in more people passing through the area?

Some guy might fly AirAsia from Hong Kong to Davao, with a layover in Clark. Don't you think some of them may want to check out the bars in Angeles City during a layover?

[Amjeck]

I guess there are lots of girls now, who see themselves more as entertainer or showgirl, not really as bumbum-provider.

Men are the ones to blame for this. Men reward girls financially for non-sexual services. I've seen many dancers get 500p tips for just dancing on stage.

The only power men have over women is physical and financial. The only power women have over men is pussy power. When men give up their power (s) willingly without sexual reward, women gain the upper hand. This is one of the problems with AC today!

[Chocha Monger]

The problem with the escalating bar fine structure is the bar business is seasonal and no bar is guaranteed a good night every night during the high season. Pushing girls into higher price brackets and lowering the number of bar fines per girl doesn't make sense when the bar has to pay the girls a salary. Keeping girls in the bar and paying them a base salary is a losing proposition. It would probably result in less girls being hired on for line ups. Then it still doesn't take into consideration the fact that AC's sole attraction is the abundance cheap pussy giving quality GFE not the hotels or anything else. Making Clark an air hub wouldn't necessarily increase the number of mongers especially if prices were to approach Burgos prices. It might actually push mongers into other yet untapped areas of the country. Take away cheap GFE boom boom and concentrated number of bars and the Golden Goose dies.

[Ekspat]

The pay-to-play scene will never disappear. There's just too much money in it. In fact, the P4P scene will probably expand dramatically in the years ahead.

FF, I fully agree with you on this. That's why we see the hotels popping up like mushrooms around Fields, investors wouldn't do that without a good reason.

What I meant was the change in habits and mentality of the girls, the change of the purpose of the bar. The brothel-type bar just to present the girls changed into an entertaining bar with fashion shows, body painting and other action to keep customers staying and drinking. And having customers nowadays, who pay for company only, who go with the girls barhopping for hours, who are happy with one bumbum only per night etc, IMHO this change the behavior of the ladies.

Of course, I don't like Koreans outbidding me on talent. But it's fair for someone who pays more to get more.

Also fully agreed. Same for mobiles, houses, cars and for every other product on this planet.

Cheers!

[FurryFriend]

And how will it be decided what is "very high quality"?

Market forces and consumer choice.

If I were a bar owner, I would group those who get barfined almost every night into a special P3000 catagory. If those girls still get barfined nightly at P3000, they go to P3500 catagory. And if they still get barfined almost nightly at P3500, they go to P4000. This continues until, at a certain price point, she only gets barfined 2-3 times a week.

That means, a bar can have many groups of girls all charging different prices. We have a P1500 pool here dancing on one stage. A P2000 pool on another stage. And a P3000 pool there in the back. Or maybe they get differentiated by the color of their tag.

We already have this system in the mega-bars on Fields. With more tourists flooding in, there will likely be wider price ranges simply because the bars can get away with certain dancers who are insanely in demand.

[Mr Enternational]

I support this system, actually. Very high quality girls should get more. Not only is this fair, but it gives mongers who really want her the ability to have her. If she's forced to charge the standard P1500 barfine (for example) , she'd either be plucked offstage immediately by another patron or she will decline barfines repeatedly to collect more commission on drinks.

And how will it be decided what is "very high quality"?

[Localboy]

Been following the threads on the "no sex" bar-fined girls. I have noticed that many guys are now asking upfront (when they first start "talking" with the girls) :

A) Are you on the rag?

B) Are you a cherry girl?

C) Are you a "spot lite" girl (more expensive)

After that, the sex questions emerge. Anal, etc, etc. I guess its just best to ask up front.

I was told that the girls have a small "V" on their cards (in red) which is supposed to tell you they are a "cherry" girl. But for some the V is small to unreadable. Not sure if this is a universal thing, since the different clubs seem to have different color schemes with the girls cards.

So far, the most fun bars this week have been forbidden city (interesting shows, cute dancers) , Lancelot (Good looking waitresses) , International club (hot night crew) , Tropix (fun girls, but many flat chested) , and Dollhouse (decent girls & waitresses). Oh, and we visited a club called Aura. It was off of Fields ave near the Bangkok hotel. There were a few lookers there, and they weren't (for the most part) flat-chested. But I think Lancelot was the best looking girls overall. Going to head back for more tonight.

Bar-fines or EWR or whatever seemed to range between 1600 and 1850 for "non-spot-lite" girls. The spot-lite girls went for 3000.

We did skip Geckos.

Hope this helps. Enjoy!