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[Prosal]

If the passport myth was true all our Mamba mailboxes would be full of proposals from FSU women.

Your foreign passport is irrelevant 99% of the time with the desirable under 25 age group. Put a good looking foreigner in a club with little game and a local guy who knows how to talk to the women and my money is on the local guy getting the girl despite him still living in his parents apartment and having much less material wealth or prospects.

+1. I would add that being a foreigner could even be a drawback in some cases, as it could means "sex-hungry tourist never to be seen again after his two weeks vacations". Many girls, and especially the 8+, may prefer to stick to (wealthy) locals or the foreigners living locally.

Also the days when the girls wanted to "escape their country with a foreigner for a happy life" are long long gone.

[Borderland]

If the passport myth was true all our Mamba mailboxes would be full of proposals from FSU women.

Your foreign passport is irrelevant 99% of the time with the desirable under 25 age group. Put a good looking foreigner in a club with little game and a local guy who knows how to talk to the women and my money is on the local guy getting the girl despite him still living in his parents apartment and having much less material wealth or prospects.

[HarryDubois]

I think the girls are real, in the sense that it's not some man posting photos of models on a website and asking you for money. However, whether the girls are really sincere, meaning that if she says she likes you she really likes you or is she just trying to get a free meal, gifts, an American passport, etc, who knows. Like any relationship, you can't really know exactly what your partner's motives are.

[Latexian2]

Hi Harry and Latexian, but you are talking about girls of which towns?

Truskavets. I wrote a long report on it in summer of 2010. They had a great take out scene at that strip club, with very cheap prices and very good selection. I guess it is seasonal though and may no longer even exist. Lots of saunas and businessmen on vacation in that town though so I'm sure there's some P4P racket going on.

[Member #4274]

American passports are very useful when it comes to entering foreign countries but have no value in seducing Ukranian / Russian women. In the last twenty years, I personally witnessed two true citizenship runs by foreign women to find American hubbies. The first occurred in the nineties when the US government granted a million visa's to Poland. Many well educated and ambitious young women showed up in my town that did not want to marry a Polish construction worker and they did not want to babysit or clean houses. The second run occurred post 911 tragedy when people "without papers" were in fear of the boot by Uncle Sam. Mid aged Joe Schmoes were suddenly marrying hot dancers from the local strip clubs. Any other time, it was always about you as a man and if you happen to be a citizen that was a good thing.

So to all my fellow countrymen, Ukranian women, that are willing to be courted by men twice there age, don't care about your little blue book. They just want you to provide personal security in exchange for companionship, all within the borders of there homeland. These girls are well aware of the social stigma's that would weigh down on them like a skid of bricks in America.

I agree with a lot of what you stated, Climaxnow. I don't believe brandishing an American / Canadian / British passport will have women tearing off their clothes and jumping into your arms. However, I do believe it does provide some advantages, at least in my experiences. I have had situations in Budapest, Hungary; Tallinn, Estonia; Kiev, Ukraine and Minsk, Belarus where my North American accent or Canadian passport has open doors for me, or at least sparked curiosity. Do I think I got laid alone because of the country origion of my passport? No. But I do believe it complimented my personal abilities.

Now that said, the majority of women I have spoken with on websites have more times than not made it clear they are more interested in how they will be treated by a foreign man rather then where he is from. I do think this is a bit of a front but for the most part it is true. Carrying a western passport may not get you laid alone but it will open doors and present opportunites, for sure.

[Climaxnow]

American passports are very useful when it comes to entering foreign countries but have no value in seducing Ukranian / Russian women. In the last twenty years, I personally witnessed two true citizenship runs by foreign women to find American hubbies. The first occurred in the nineties when the US government granted a million visa's to Poland. Many well educated and ambitious young women showed up in my town that did not want to marry a Polish construction worker and they did not want to babysit or clean houses. The second run occurred post 911 tragedy when people "without papers" were in fear of the boot by Uncle Sam. Mid aged Joe Schmoes were suddenly marrying hot dancers from the local strip clubs. Any other time, it was always about you as a man and if you happen to be a citizen that was a good thing.

So to all my fellow countrymen, Ukranian women, that are willing to be courted by men twice there age, don't care about your little blue book. They just want you to provide personal security in exchange for companionship, all within the borders of there homeland. These girls are well aware of the social stigma's that would weigh down on them like a skid of bricks in America.

[HarryDubois]

Based on what I read, a lot of Ukrainians have become much more desperate just in the past few years.

I'm reading that now Ukrainian girls are no longer being tricked into going abroad as prostitutes; most now very willingly want to do it.

Of course I'm not looking for a real marriage, more like a sponsorette,"passport digger" type of situation.

[Member #4274]

I am an American. 51, divorced, tall, athletic, salt and pepper hair, not bald. Women say I'm "cute" or distinguished.

I plan on going to Ukraine for at least a year to teach English. While there I would like to have a lot of sex, at minimal expense, with girls under 25. I may invite a girl to live with me if she's attractive enough. Of course I can promise the possibility of marriage and an American passport.

I don't know which city I'll be in. Kiev, Odessa, kharkov, etc. I may even be moving around.

Anyway, what are my chances of success over there? Here in New York I am pretty much limited to ladies 35 and up.

Its funny in a way, I was flirting with the idea of moving abroad to teach English again but figured since I was entering my late 30's I might be getting too old to do it. Here is a man of 51 contemplating the same idea. I think it is great!

As for your chances of success, I agree with Climaxnow. It will depend greatly upon you. I know in my mid-thirties I have had a lot of success with women in their very early 20's but I do look much younger than my age, or so I am told. At 51 it will not be easy but it can happen. In my opinion, you will have to look like you have money and class and the women will come. An American passport is nice but it does not necessarily guaruntee success. If you want success at minimal cost then women 26-34 will be a better target for you as most are looking for a real relationship. There are some real beauties out there in the late twenty range. Most women under-25 are more interested in material wealth than love, in my experience. Thye might tell you they want love but that is often a front. You will have to spend money on them one way or another to get regular sex in return. There might be some exceptions, as with all rules, but for the most part I believe this to be correct.

Regarldess, keep us updated. I am curious about how you make out!

[HarryDubois]

Through work I've met a couple of beautiful Ukrainian women, who were really interested in me. I was married at the time so nothing happened, but they wanted it. However I was 10 years younger then

[Climaxnow]

I am an American. 51, divorced, tall, athletic, salt and pepper hair, not bald. Women say I'm "cute" or distinguished.

I plan on going to Ukraine for at least a year to teach English. While there I would like to have a lot of sex, at minimal expense, with girls under 25. I may invite a girl to live with me if she's attractive enough. Of course I can promise the possibility of marriage and an American passport.

I don't know which city I'll be in. Kiev, Odessa, kharkov, etc. I may even be moving around.

Anyway, what are my chances of success over there? Here in New York I am pretty much limited to ladies 35 and up.

Your success will depend on your personal traits that you bring to the table that can attract or repel a girl. When it comes to American guys, some click well with Eastern Europeans but some do not. My Iowa friends who are some really outstanding "man stock" could not for the life of them build chemistry with a Eastern European girl. Yet, other friends who are just regular guys, some bald and overweight, can charm them into life time partners. Udachi.

[HarryDubois]

I am an American. 51, divorced, tall, athletic, salt and pepper hair, not bald. Women say I'm "cute" or distinguished.

I plan on going to Ukraine for at least a year to teach English. While there I would like to have a lot of sex, at minimal expense, with girls under 25. I may invite a girl to live with me if she's attractive enough. Of course I can promise the possibility of marriage and an American passport.

I don't know which city I'll be in. Kiev, Odessa, kharkov, etc. I may even be moving around.

Anyway, what are my chances of success over there? Here in New York I am pretty much limited to ladies 35 and up.

[AColonizer]

Thanks indeed!

I read the Femen area in livejournal too and, again, it is clear the difference between Italian women and Ukrainian women. I am looking for that kind of females: they are not the best bodies in the world but their vitality is extraordinary!

Unfortunately for Femen, they came to Italy, the most feminist country in the world (Americans make me to smile when they grumble about their women) and no Italian woman can accept their protest. Some weeks after their protest, there was a RAI reportage where Italian men were showed as sex tourists and Ukrainian young women were showed as bitc. At the end, the real feminism is a fight between women in power and women not in power.

Right. They did Vatican last week. Berlusconi was at G20, but I guess his turn will come soon. (smilie)

[Prosal]

Nice.

It's the Ukrainian version of a two or three french video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0Mgabs4E9g

[AColonizer]

Hi Harry and Latexian, but you are talking about girls of which towns?

I'm been inside from the club.

After the Disco entrance on the left side round steps up, there is the strip club.

I speak after the look inside with the Barkeeper from Disco,

He says it is not season and a other Disco is now IN)

To go to Lvov I don't need the bus, I take my Car.

Maybe I go in March again to Truskavets, I think my girl comes again and we have a good time.

With her it is easy, I get full service, nothing forbidden)

After one week I give her 600Dollars she is happy and me too.

Oh I forget and I pay the trip and the money she losing from work + 120Dollar)

This is round about 100Dollar for one week fulltime)

Maybe I can told more in March, I want go there for 10 days and I hope within 2 weekends.

This is for some other guys in forum,

I'm not a PIMP.

I not have numbers or anything from girls.

What I have write is TRUE.

Longtime I can help.

Quicky or over night not possible.

[Angus Magee]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptCbbXZwziA

Nice, but now I have to find the uncensored version.

AM