Phnom Penh

[Psychman]

very restrained and polite response, so i'll try to do the same.

me either. maybe i'm just a 5 or a 6. but, if they did, would you let them? or what if the hotel had a hidden camera?

true, and unlike you i would not be too thrilled about that. and if i was in pattaya and caught some joker focusing on me with some girl, i'd walk right up to him, grab his camera and offer him one last chance to delete those pics immediately. but there are some big differences in that situation: 1. like most members here, i don't stroll down walking street nude; 2. that's a public place-legally speaking, he as a right to take my photo there. a hotel room is not a public place, a person is entitled to expect privacy in a hotel room, and especially if they're nude.

true, but for a person to have ethics, they need to have one set that they abide by that pertains to themselves and also others. if they have one set of rules for themselves but it doesn't apply to others, that's what being unethical means. only reason i said anything was because that guy who posted on this said there was no 'moral reckoning' on this, that it's 'all good'. he's backing off now and just saying it happens and there's nothing anyone can do to stop it. ok but that's also true of all theft, [CodeWord123] and murder in the world, it doesn't make it ethical.

it sounds like you make some attempt to do it right. tho i'd say if you want to put them up in a public place like this on the internet, then you should ask. not just presume they know. if it was back in your own country, the girl would probably be able to take you to court for doing that. a bedroom is not a public place, and nudity is as private as it gets. and if she was a hooker, she probably could get some street justice instead, and i don't' think you'd find too many people thinking you were wronged if you got beat up over something like that. more like you were asking for trouble and got what you had coming to you.

that's not exactly my presumption. more like, they are human. maybe they know already, or maybe not. your assumption is that they know the pics will go on the internet, but there's only one way to check and prove that assumption is correct: ask. if they say it's ok, it's ok. if they say it's not ok, its not.

basically, posting pics on the internet is an extra service that you're taking from her without her consent, and probably against her wishes, for free. it's not much different than doing anal on her against her wishes or having your buddy pop out of the bathroom unexpected. only difference is that she's probably not aware you're taking this extra service from her.

wendella- thank you for your excellent post- spot on in all regards.

[Titanio]

Guys, what is fastest / cheapest / best way to get from PP to Ho Chi Minh, please (on a Sunday)? Fly or boat or bus? Any info appreciated.

Mehkong Express Street 102. They do a daily trip. Best bus company in PP and very reliable.

[Bumholes1]

How long are the lines to get a visa-on-arrival at airport, please, and how much is it (from US). Still $25? Thanks for your help!

E Visas are the way to go. $25, and no full page sticker to fill up your passport.

Unfortunately not available for all overland crossings, where you can be scammed in to parting with payment in Thai baht of 1000 or more.

[Bartchamdo]

Guys, what is fastest / cheapest / best way to get from PP to Ho Chi Minh, please (on a Sunday)? Fly or boat or bus? Any info appreciated.

Bus is quickest and is generally preferred. For some odd reason that short flight is more expensive than you'd think. When you account for times to and from the airports involved and the extra cost it usually works out to be much cheaper to take the bus and it takes only a bit longer. I'd recommend a specific bus company, but haven't done the trip enough times to have a solid opinion. Others can advise you.

[Betong]

FYI visa on arrival can be quite a long wait.

I've been through a dozen or more times, most recently last week, and it's never taken more than about 20 minutes. By Cambodian standards that's a model of efficiency.

Another question! Who flies first class one hour from BKK to PP?

People who want to get through immigration asap?

P. S. For anyone really in a hurry, I think they still have the e-visa thing online.

[Wendella]

very restrained and polite response, so i'll try to do the same.

i never had a girl ask to take my picture. have you?

me either. maybe i'm just a 5 or a 6. but, if they did, would you let them? or what if the hotel had a hidden camera?

then there is a possibility of your image showing up on youtube.

true, and unlike you i would not be too thrilled about that. and if i was in pattaya and caught some joker focusing on me with some girl, i'd walk right up to him, grab his camera and offer him one last chance to delete those pics immediately. but there are some big differences in that situation: 1. like most members here, i don't stroll down walking street nude; 2. that's a public place-legally speaking, he as a right to take my photo there. a hotel room is not a public place, a person is entitled to expect privacy in a hotel room, and especially if they're nude.

we live in a world with hundreds of different sets of values.

true, but for a person to have ethics, they need to have one set that they abide by that pertains to themselves and also others. if they have one set of rules for themselves but it doesn't apply to others, that's what being unethical means. only reason i said anything was because that guy who posted on this said there was no 'moral reckoning' on this, that it's 'all good'. he's backing off now and just saying it happens and there's nothing anyone can do to stop it. ok but that's also true of all theft, [CodeWord123] and murder in the world, it doesn't make it ethical.

i always ask my ladies if it is alright with them to take pictures. some girls say no and i put the camera away. some girls say ok, but ask me not to show the pictures on the internet. yes they know about the internet. i agree and honor this request and do not post the pictures.

it sounds like you make some attempt to do it right. tho i'd say if you want to put them up in a public place like this on the internet, then you should ask. not just presume they know. if it was back in your own country, the girl would probably be able to take you to court for doing that. a bedroom is not a public place, and nudity is as private as it gets. and if she was a hooker, she probably could get some street justice instead, and i don't' think you'd find too many people thinking you were wronged if you got beat up over something like that. more like you were asking for trouble and got what you had coming to you.

so i think your assumption that these are naïve innocent girls that need your protection from predators with cameras is false.

that's not exactly my presumption. more like, they are human. maybe they know already, or maybe not. your assumption is that they know the pics will go on the internet, but there's only one way to check and prove that assumption is correct: ask. if they say it's ok, it's ok. if they say it's not ok, its not.

basically, posting pics on the internet is an extra service that you're taking from her without her consent, and probably against her wishes, for free. it's not much different than doing anal on her against her wishes or having your buddy pop out of the bathroom unexpected. only difference is that she's probably not aware you're taking this extra service from her.

[Wendella]

Like I said. It's all good. We shall continue to post photos freely here and at other web sites. It's all part of the game! I pay my money for certain services. If photo services are included then I own the photos and can do what I please. Like it or not.

Notice how carefully he evades all the key questions.

OK dude put your money where your mouth is. Send me a photo of yourself naked with your face showing to me by PM, and I'll post it in the gallery. All good? Hey it's all part of the game, man.

[Hatguy]

How long are the lines to get a visa-on-arrival at airport, please, and how much is it (from US). Still $25? Thanks for your help!

FYI visa on arrival can be quite a long wait. I saw a few guys that obviously know the ropes sprint ahead of everyone when we got off the plane. You have to go to two different parts and queue. The first is the application place where you submit the form and pic with your passport. The second is where you pick up your passport and pay the fee. It is here where things can take forever because they have about 4 staff calling out first names. Thank fuck my name is not John or something common! USD$25 still when I went through Jan 3rd.

Air France cabin attendants were holding economy people back so the first class passengers could get off first. (Another question! Who flies first class one hour from BKK to PP?) don't know about other airlines but Air France were kinda dicks. I don't take kindly to being told to SIT DOWN by some frumpy ***** stewardess when the plane has clearly stopped moving and arrived at the terminal.

Oh and an added tip. Walk out the doors and cross the parking lot to the main road for a tuk tuk. You can get one for $5-$7 USD into downtown. Save yourself a couple of bucks and spend it on beer instead!

HATGUY

ps. D Cups. Love your posts. Not many big titted girls in PP from what I saw. Nice proportioned mainly. There was ONE in Rose bar that may suit. But she wanted 50 short time.

[Member #4698]

So I guess if someone got nude photos of you (or someone close to you) that showed your face, and posted those in a sex forum, that would be all good then? I guess it would be ok if you told her you were going to post the pics on the net. And I'm pretty sure very few guys do that. Why? Because obviously she would say no then. So the guys posting the pics avoid that question knowing the girl won't pose for the picture if they do. So is it cool to post her nude pictures against her wishes? Well, just ask yourself, is it cool for someone to post nude pictures of you on the internet against your wishes.

W, I am sure you are a nice guy and mean well by your girls in making your post. So am I, but I think you are trying too hard to find a point of dispute here.

I never had a girl ask to take my picture. Have you? The possibility of that is close to zero. I don't think anybody on this website would be interested in seeing naked pictures of me. I could be wrong, you never know. There is a risk of being 'exposed' on the internet if you frequent well know watering holes like Walking Street, Soi Cowboy or Fields and unknowingly walk in front of someone making a video. Then there is a possibility of your image showing up on YouTube. If this is not a risk you are willing to take, then don't go to these places. LOL. I don't care about this because I am not ashamed of what I do in Asia. I love Asian women and I see nothing wrong with P4P out here.

I just disagree with many of your assumptions contained in your post, Wendella. I don't think we live in world with two sets of values. We live in a world with hundreds of different sets of values. One of the reasons I like Asia so much is because it operates on a whole different set of values than the uptight, puritanical world of my home country. Also the fact that pussy costs 1500p to 4000p in AC, $25 to $40 in PP. 2000bt to 6000bt in BKK. 500hk to 2000hk in Hong Kong and 500hk to 2200hk in Macau compared to say $1000 for comparable quality and service in Vegas or South Florida doesn't hurt.

Look, I have been with over a hundred and fifty Asian women since I started travelling to Bangkok in 1989. I have had a lot of experience photographing my girls. I always ask my ladies if it is alright with them to take pictures. Some girls say no and I put the camera away. Some girls say ok, but ask me not to show the pictures on the internet. Yes they know about the internet. I agree and honor this request and do not post the pictures. I still show them to my friends. I don't care if this bothers you. It does no harm to the girls. Some girls are happy to have me take face shots or non naked pictures. Some girls love being shot naked and playfully strike all kinds of provocative sexual posses. Many Filipinas are like this, God bless their little hearts. And lastly some girls allow face and non naked body shots and then ask for additional money for the naked stuff. I have agreed to this a few times because the girl was super sexy. It is usually Thai girls that ask for additional money.

So I think your assumption that these are naïve innocent girls that need your protection from predators with cameras is false. The girls know the score and allow photographing only what they are comfortable with. Once they give me permission, the photos are my intellectual property. I share some of them with forum members not in a prurient way. I seriously don't think there are many board members whacking off to this stuff. I post photos for informational purposes only. Here is where you find sexy girls like this one. This bar is good. This is the going rate for girls like this. ECT. The pictures become a generic image not specific. Bar girls move around a lot. A girl hanging out last March in Rose Bar for example is probably long gone by the time I post and you see her picture. That said, sometimes I post a picture and another board member writes me telling me he knew the girl too and updates me on what she is doing like if she is still working the bar or has retired. By the way, I never post pictures of real girlfriends or amateur sexual friends on the internet which is an example of a different set of values you wrote of, I guess.

Anyway, it is all good. I understand you and others disagree. That is fine with me. It is your prerogative. No one is going to win this argument, which is why I regret bringing it up a few posts ago in the first place. If you really find various pictures objectionable then put me and other photo posters on ignore. In 13 days, I am boarding a plane and taking a 20 hour flight to Hong Kong to begin my 46 day 2012 excursion. I won't be visiting Penh on this trip. I will be stopping by HKG, Macau, AC, Cebu, Palawan (time off for beachcombing) , MNL, BKK and Pattaya. I don't think I will have the time to visit the ISG and make any posts while I am on the road. By the time I get back home in late March, this discussion will be long over. I'll post some trip reports in the appropriate threads when I get back. To everybody on the forum, take it easy, stay safe, stay thirsty and most important, get laid.

[Edward Behr]

If the girl found out, she might pay some guys to beat the crap out of you. And you would deserve it.

I'll second that

[Edgeman]

So I guess if someone got nude photos of you (or someone close to you) that showed your face, and posted those in a sex forum, that would be all good then?

I assume most people would agree that it's not ok if its their own face and balls being put up on the net, so it means not too many people actually think it's cool. We can't live in a world with one set of rules for you and another for everyone else.

If the girl found out, she might pay some guys to beat the crap out of you. And you would deserve it.

I guess it would be ok if you told her you were going to post the pics on the net. And I'm pretty sure very few guys do that. Why? Because obviously she would say no then. So the guys posting the pics avoid that question knowing the girl won't pose for the picture if they do. So is it cool to post her nude pictures against her wishes? Well, just ask yourself, is it cool for someone to post nude pictures of you on the internet against your wishes.

Like I said. It's all good. We shall continue to post photos freely here and at other web sites. It's all part of the game! I pay my money for certain services. If photo services are included then I own the photos and can do what I please. Like it or not.

[Wendella]

Posting photos, ie, naked, full body, face shots, in action, covered in whatever, it's all good. No sympathy or moral reckoning here. This is a business and it's uncontrolled in many instances. Who are any of you to decide what is right and proper in this industry? If anything, it should be considered free advertising.

So I guess if someone got nude photos of you (or someone close to you) that showed your face, and posted those in a sex forum, that would be all good then?

I assume most people would agree that it's not ok if its their own face and balls being put up on the net, so it means not too many people actually think it's cool. We can't live in a world with one set of rules for you and another for everyone else.

If the girl found out, she might pay some guys to beat the crap out of you. And you would deserve it.

I guess it would be ok if you told her you were going to post the pics on the net. And I'm pretty sure very few guys do that. Why? Because obviously she would say no then. So the guys posting the pics avoid that question knowing the girl won't pose for the picture if they do. So is it cool to post her nude pictures against her wishes? Well, just ask yourself, is it cool for someone to post nude pictures of you on the internet against your wishes.

[Joe Looking]

I'm not a huge fan of posting face shots without asking. If you notice, very few members ever post their face period (and if they do it is usually blurred out). Why is that?

Maybe I'm a bit of a softy but I happen to believe some of the girls tell their families that they are waitresses and do this more out of convenience than anything else.

On another note, the Internet is thriving and the working girls know about sites like this. When some chick, who let you take a photo for your collection only, sees her face on the net she won't let anyone else take a photo. Maybe I'm a bit twisted but I like adding faces to my "wall of shame". That being said, I have had several show women (especially in Thailand) refuse to let me take a photo because they don't want it on the Internet and I usually only get them to agree by getting in the picture with the.

Despite what we often think, some of the women actually want to have a life after prostitution and naked pictures of them on a site about prostitution won't help that.

[Lonthom]

While we are discussing hotels, has anyone tried Hotel Circa 51? I thought I read somewhere that it's guest friendly.

Well on their website they say "Sex Tourism is not welcome at Circa 51 Hotel"

Hi, Circa 51 is not GF any more :

I went there 2 years ago when traveling to Phnom Penh, and there was no problem to bring girl in the room.

But I went back last September, and the management has changed : you are not allowed any more to bring girl.

[Jvdairlie]

Anyone stayed at Cardamom Hotel. Looks like it's about one block away from Wakabout. I am tossing up between Cardamom and Blue Tongue for a trip to PP soon. Apparently Blue Tongue does not have in room safe box!