German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Capt Dan]

Good luck with the trip Mohab.
All the travelling around by train (from city to city and from club to club) would not be for me!
But everyone is different (which is a good thing) and I hope you have a most enjoyable time

CD

[Nille Copenhagen]

It is just a few days now till I depart on my fkk adventure.

Good luck with you decide to do, no advise or comment from here.

I'll be at Palace or Oase on Friday.

[Member #4243]

It is just a few days now till I depart on my fkk adventure. I am seeking some last minute info from senior members regarding my plans. Especially 1) constructive criticism ie ways of improving my plans 2) to identify any pitfalls I have not seen and similar. BACKGROUND; ; my initial plan A was to centre 3 days around oase wed-sat and then on Monday to depart onto cologne via ice train and then hit aca or samya on Tuesday flying home from frankfurt on wed. I am taking the 50min train trip from koln to frank. Airport on wed morning. My flights are fixed in / out Frankfurt. I have done many trips to Hessen and visited OASE6 times so far from england. I have only visited artemis once back in 2008 and loved it. I am not searching new clubs because I think there is any higher chance of having a better selection in one place or another but purely because I love the buzz of being in a new or more or less new place ie here artemis as I do believe each club is in its own right a distinctly different experience and I want to redo artemis so to say. I have come up with a new plan B and it is this that I am seeking feedback on in the nature stated above from senior members. Although I have good experience of germany to now it is nowhere on the level of the senior posters here. Here is plan B; arrive into frankfurt wed and spend whole day at oase. Thurs-sleep / rest at mercure hotel. Fri-take morning ice train to berlin hotel near artemis already booked. Fri-sat two full days at artemis. Sun-sleep / rest berlin hotel. Mon-take ice train (all train tickets booked) from berlin to cologne. 4 hour train journey. Tue hit full day samya. Wed quick hop back from cologne to frank. Airport back home to england. As stated all tickets booked and a small loss has been made on hotel in frankfurt which was booked for 5 nights so I loose 3 nights. I have gone over this plan a hundred times and cannot see anything wrong especially as it will give me the chance to experience oase / artemis and an nrw club all within one week as I do not get to come out to germany very often. Thanks for all help. (as for berlin cologne frank-berlin also is a 4 hour journey)

[Mer Zues]

Thank you for the welcome CD. Appreciate it.

[Capt Dan]

Hey guys!. I stumbled upon this site when I was doing a random search a while ago and I am sure glad I did. Happy hunting.

Welcome Mer Zues to our little piece of ISG heaven that is Germany FKK Clubs
I hope that this forum will be of assistance with the planning of your next adventure and that when the time is correct you have a very pleasant visit to FKK-Land.
Do report back on the details of your trip. Welcome again!

CD

[Mer Zues]

Hey guys!

I stumbled upon this site when I was doing a random search a while ago and I am sure glad I did. My experiences in punting is limited compared to the most of the guys here and I have not been active for years. I did not know much about FKK clubs, so I spent a lot of time in the last few days going thru the different threads. So many great posts and so much info.

I have decided to make a trip to Frankfurt in the near future, could be as soon as end of March or pushed to sometime in the May. I am trying to convince one of my friends to make the trip with me but no luck so far. The Oase club is the only item on my "Have To Do" list but I am still reading and searching so that list should grow by the time I make it to Germany. I promise to do a full report about my visit.

Happy hunting.

[Hessen Bub]

Girls in the clubs are self-employed. They pay entrance as the men also do. The club provides facilities, food,"the stage", but does not pay the girls or get a commission on what they make. It is OK for the club to give some restrictions or guidelines for the girls, as there is general pricing, maybe service, maybe working hours. It's a thin lone between what is legal or illegal. When finance authorities are questioning girls at the clubs, they try to find out how far these regulations go and in they are in line with the law. If not. The tax liability may move from the giros towards the club, that is if they were employed by the club. Which they actually can't be because ot he prostitution laws in Germany.

Girls can basically work at every club. The club has the "Hausrecht", same as every restaurant, discotheque, hotel. They can decide who to let in or not (male or female) without having to give a reason. Some clubs require more paperwork than others, this may keep some girls from going there. Some girls have managers / friends / husbands who tell them where to go. And Mauro at Oase is trying to keep girls in his club by not letting them work at Oase if he hears they were at another club. Which is morr than stupid.

As always this subject is more grey than black or white.

HB

[Capt Dan]

That is just the appearance they want to exude, to bypass the anti-pimping laws. There is definitely a relationship, but in the (dim) eyes of the law there is not. The entrance fee paid by the girls also gives the appearance they are all independent providers (or just 'die weibliche Gäste'). In reality, this is just the surplus value the owner of a factory would extract from any worker. That said, the FKK model is a very clever 'fetish construct', and many of the girls are indeed more independent than workers at regular jobs. For example, the cut the club extracts from the girl is not percentage-based. Although sucks if she got no clients that day, since she may also work for 'someone else'.

If you're curious about these details, just read the World thread.

Your understanding Occultus of the relationship between the working girls and the clubs is very much in line with my own and anyone who thinks that the girls are completely self-employed free agents, able to move to any club whenever it takes their fancy is guilty of extreme naivety. Free movement of labour is not something that the clubs really encourage. So even without "management" the girls operate with somewhat restricted inter-club movement. Some girls do have "management" who ensure that the girls keep working in any particular club until the "Manager" decides it is time to move on. You don't often see these "managers" in the clubs as their overt presence in sometimes unwelcome (depending on the club) but they will often collect the girls at the end of the night. Some clubs such as FKK World will allow the "managers" entry.

CD

[Super Cum 500]

I want to go To Oase / palace. But the girls are naked most days expcet lingerie day. I'd rather see them all naked but I like to take of girls pants.

Is it possible in the rooms I can get them to put pants on then I can slowly take them off?

If lingerie day do you undress them in room?

I'd prefer to go non lingerie day to see all the pussy but I do liek to take girls pants off.

[Vitrea]

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2) vitrea I am fascinated to find out why GT in vienna is your favourite club. I considered vienna as an alternative to my coming trip but on speaking to an american friend at oase he told me the girls are not as pretty as in the big frankfurt clubs and that the facilities are very basic by comparison also. I would visit vienna for vienna alone but would appreciate your feedback on GT.

Thanks

There are several reasons I like GT but the number one reason is that the girls are generally younger, cuter (may not be more beautiful) and more girls with natural tits (as a percentage of the total). The place is also intimate. There are several "intimate" FKKs in Germany but I think GT in Vienna has better quality than most of the smaller clubs in Germany. Of course I have not been to many of them so that is a caveat.

Vienna is also a better city for sightseeing, restaurants, escorts, Massage places and "high-end" places like Babylon (If somebody is into it). Of course Berlin is an awesome city as well and has all these as well but I like GT slightly better than Artemis. GT has some competition from Fun Palast (which is a good thing) but Artemis has no competition in the area. For me Artemis was hit and miss. (three visits).

Having said all that, I have been to GT only a total of 6 days in three different seasons.

Facilities: For me showers, robes and a steam room is important (this is missing in GT). Food is not. BTW, I almost always take a break, leave go outside eat at a Turkish or Austrian restaurant and come back. I do that even at Palace. The other FKKs are too far from town to go out and come back.

[Occultus]

My basic understanding in German clubs is that the clubs have no employee-employer relationship with the girls.

That is just the appearance they want to exude, to bypass the anti-pimping laws. There is definitely a relationship, but in the (dim) eyes of the law there is not. The entrance fee paid by the girls also gives the appearance they are all independent providers (or just 'die weibliche Gäste'). In reality, this is just the surplus value the owner of a factory would extract from any worker. That said, the FKK model is a very clever 'fetish construct', and many of the girls are indeed more independent than workers at regular jobs. For example, the cut the club extracts from the girl is not percentage-based. Although sucks if she got no clients that day, since she may also work for 'someone else'.

If you're curious about these details, just read the World thread.

[Free Dude]

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Even after a few visits, I still do not have a good knowledge of how these clubs work. My basic understanding in German clubs is that the clubs have no employee-employer relationship with the girls. Pretty much any girl who is legal in Germany can walk into one of these clubs, pay the entrance fee, use the spa, eat the food and have sex with men for money. First, is that correct? If yes, may be the swiss club rules are different and may be they have an employee relationship or a "membership" clause where they can restrict who works there and who does not.

One of you experts who knows the inner workings of FKKs in Europe can enlighten us. I also suspect this has been discussed in the past but I could not find any posts addressing the possible operational differences in different countries.

This isn't the case anywhere. Few girls can just walk up to a club and get admitted. Many clubs have 'Romanian stops' and I've spoken to quite a few girls who told me about their 'interview' or. When discussing other clubs. That told me they needed a way in (ie contact) , before they could get into an other club. This is just talking to girls in World about Oase and vice versa. While there are quite a few girls that get into both, just because they have the contacts (I've fucked the same girl in Oase and World on consecutive days). It's the clubs that decide who gets in and who doesn't and for most girls it depends on their network, where they can get in. New or less successfull clubs are easy to get into. And for a reason (for instance Planet Eden. Former FKK Planet. Where girls can get in forr 111 a week and PSR where girls can get in for free the first three days).

PS God how I hate ISG deciding when I want to use full stops and not letting me use 'pause-dots'.

[Member #4243]

1) I would fully support the idea of a thread dedicated to fkk clubs regardless of country where experienced and newcomers alike could compare clubs based on quality rather than on geographical location. It would be a real goldmine of information all under one roof so to speak making decisions regarding travel and logistics fun too bringing together members from different forums who otherwise would not come into contact on ISG and would open the door to new contacts and even friendships. I would however be against including partytreffs and similar.

2) vitrea I am fascinated to find out why GT in vienna is your favourite club. I considered vienna as an alternative to my coming trip but on speaking to an american friend at oase he told me the girls are not as pretty as in the big frankfurt clubs and that the facilities are very basic by comparison also. I would visit vienna for vienna alone but would appreciate your feedback on GT.

Thanks

[Nille Copenhagen]

One of you experts who knows the inner workings of FKKs in Europe can enlighten us. I also suspect this has been discussed in the past but I could not find any posts addressing the possible operational differences in different countries.

In principal the girls are independent workers in German FKK and they pay tax as well. But in reality there are some unwritten relationship or dependency toward the clubs. Some of the girls have pimps or other connections, so they can't freely leave the club.

Some girls told me the management at Globe is quite strict with the girls, so they don't like to work there for long even the income is higher than German clubs. On the other hand I know girls that have moved to Globe to try their luck.

[Vitrea]

I often wonder if it would be better if all the FKK and Sauna Clubs in Switzerland, Austria, the Netherlands and Germany were grouped into one big FKK / Sauna Clubs forum on ISG. It would give a more complete picture to the uninitiated as to what is available in Europe for this particular type of experience. There might also be more reports on clubs like Globe (Switz) or GoldenTime (Austria).

I agree fully. I hope this lounge can serve part of that goal. BTW, in my 20 or so FKK visits, pretty much equally divided (3-4 visits to each of the bigger clubs) among Oase, Palace, World, Mainhatten, GT and LR in NRW and Golden Time in Vienna, Yin-Yang and couple of small clubs near FRA, Golden Time in Vienna is my favourite.

Your point Vitrea concerning the mark 9 escort does make some sense but not sure if it fully applies to the hookers who work in clubs like Globe in Switzerland. The Swiss clubs seem to be very selective with regard to the standard of hooker they employ. Many girls are drawn to the money on offer in cities like Zurich, so there seems to be a steady pussy supply for these clubs. Whether the hookers are less "used up" is debatable. Clubs like Globe get plenty of visitors, primarily from the rich locals or regular visitors who are in town primarily for business reasons. What I do know is that some of these clubs are pretty regimented as far as the girls are concerned and many move on or move back to the FKK / Sauna clubs in Germany which seem to be a little more relaxed. [/font]

Even after a few visits, I still do not have a good knowledge of how these clubs work. My basic understanding in German clubs is that the clubs have no employee-employer relationship with the girls. Pretty much any girl who is legal in Germany can walk into one of these clubs, pay the entrance fee, use the spa, eat the food and have sex with men for money. First, is that correct? If yes, may be the swiss club rules are different and may be they have an employee relationship or a "membership" clause where they can restrict who works there and who does not.

One of you experts who knows the inner workings of FKKs in Europe can enlighten us. I also suspect this has been discussed in the past but I could not find any posts addressing the possible operational differences in different countries.