Kyiv

[LilJoey]

Her face is typically Slavic, with eyes to get lost in. Anyway I'd rate her 7. 5. I guess she'd be a solid 9 for most of the guys in Western Europe or in the US, but by FSU standarts she his IMO just "not that skanky".

You're right, I would have given her body a slightly higher rating than 7. 5. The good news for those interested in scoring with a stripper on her level of good looks, is that there are a significant number of young girls with bodies on her level or better available in the Kiev strip clubs too, if you're willing to pay the price.

If one is not willing to pay the high prices of the strip clubs for take out, then it's more hit or miss trying to find a girl like this using websites at lower prices, but not impossible.

Getting girls like this into your bed for free? Ahh well this is the area in which you operate Prosal, so please tell us the story of how you got this hot stripper.

[LilJoey]

Hi guys,

I simply cannot decide which one should I choose.

I have been in Kiev 2 years ago but never been in Chisinau.

Which one do you recommend?

A detailed analysis would be very much appreciated.

BR.

Assuming you've read the thread on this forum for Chisinau and Kiev, and you are therefore aware that p4p is highly developed and available in Kiev, whereas in Chisinau the p4p scene is more limited, it's a no brainer that if you're looking for p4p action that you should go to Kiev.

However, if you are able to speak Russian and are looking for freebie action and adventure, then different criteria apply and since I've never been to Chisinau, I will defer trying to answer that question to someone who does have the experience to give you a meaningful response.

[LilJoey]

Ah, you're getting mixed up. Paradise on Shevchenko is "Paradise Cabaret" part of the Premier Palace hotel.

Personally I've not been to Rio's sister club. It's out of town, don't even know where. LJ got a complimentary taxi once I believe.

If I go out of town it's for a date or Club MaXimum (or previously Rest Town!)

TheKnight's memory is good. There was one night at Rio when there was no "take out" being permitted at all, and the girls were strictly doing dances. Either it was because they were understaffed, or it could have been there was LE present in the club. They offered to drive me over to their sister club at no charge since they knew I was looking for a take out and would strike if I found a good girl. It was about a 30 to 40 minute drive from downtewn Kiev. It was the same staff as you could see at Rio, as the girls rotate to do shifts at the sister club. Personally I can't think of a reason to make the trip, unless you are looking for a specific girl and the manager at Rio tells you she's at the other club. In that event, if you've already been out with her and definitely want to take her now, I would inquire if she could be brought to you at Rio while you have a drink, or "reserved" for you at the other club if you're willing to go pick her up.

[Romantik]

I have been a passive user of this forum for many years. I haven't added any reports mainly because somehow I have been afraid that it will leave some tracks of my trips. But now that I see what are people writing to LilJoey I had to write something. With his advices I had many great experiences in Rio (ok I would figured that out myself as well, but it saved me some time). Ok, I am Slavic guy so I have maybe little advantage comparing to other ethnic groups. My Russian sucks, but it never was a problem. Some of you are saying that he is paid by the club for writing lies and that girls won't go with you. I will tell you for sure LilJoey is not lying. Maybe one girl from 10 has told me so far that she won't go out with me. Its all about how you act, if you are gentleman. It is great that girls there have their right to choose who they go with. Maybe if you go there, drink one tea for 2 hours and and just starring at the girls, nobody will go with you. Or maybe you are just plain ugly.

I am glad that people share info, but I don't want to convince you to go there. I am always happy when not too many people is there. For me and my friends, Rio is the heaven, and I don't think that I can find a better place in the world for beautiful model like ladies (considering my taste).

Hopefully this club will last forever.

Just yesterday in Paradise I saw a girl. Her name was Leja. Anybody knows here? She was the most beautifull (naked) women I have seen for years. I had made my choice already, so I couldn't change.

Ok thats for my first post. I will try to add some experiences if I will somehow dig out the names that are buried somewhere inside my brain.

Thank you guys for all the advices, this forum is golden.

[LilJoey]

Amelia&Gloria is a good-looking girl with a hot body, but there's no need to spend $300 an hour with a girl like Amelia&Gloria.

I did a girl last autumn, Paulina, whose face and body looked in real person so much like Amelia&Gloria in the photos. Even their eye colors are the same.

She offered unlimited number of cums, deep throat BBBJ, CIM with swallow and long time DFK, etc except anal for miserly $70 an hour.

She has one of the two pairs of perfect breasts I've ever seen.

She's always busy.

I wasn't surprised because at this price with that kind of beauty and GFE quality, lots of guys'd be waiting.

She's great GFE, but I also turned her into hard-core, doing hard-core fuck and face-fuck.

Wow! Out of curiosity, which city / country was this Paulina offering herself for $70 / hour?

You say Paulina is as pretty a girl as Amelia who is in London at 180 GBP? That's pretty low priced for a girl looking that good in London. How did you find Paulina? Amelia remains as one of my ATF's, so I guess that's why I'm curious. (unfortunately the link to Gloria is obsolete but there are plenty of other high level EE hotties on the same agency websites)?

[TheKnight]

Thanks thats all I needed to know.

I thought I read its a sister club of Rio and thought its all the same

Ah, you're getting mixed up. Paradise on Shevchenko is "Paradise Cabaret" part of the Premier Palace hotel.

Personally I've not been to Rio's sister club. It's out of town, don't even know where. LJ got a complimentary taxi once I believe.

If I go out of town it's for a date or Club MaXimum (or previously Rest Town!)

[Muddy7]

Still? Considering they were trying to charge about 3 times what a very good RP girl would go for, and not until you'd bought extortionate champagne, and had the attitude of a Militsiya General who just found out you made his hitherto virgin 17yo daughter pregnant. I decided to steer clear for many, many years. Oh, actually I did accompany someone who was insistent on going once. He was convinced the stage show would be quality. He soon bowed to my knowledge and pledged never to doubt me again!

YMMV

Thanks thats all I needed to know.

I thought I read its a sister club of Rio and thought its all the same

[RomanyStar]

Thanks to all here. I'd call my Kiev trip an overall success. Damns the luck being here while the college girls are all busy cramming. Being sleep deprived from the ten time zone trip probably hasn't helped a bunch either. Wish I'd had the originally planned ten days instead of trying to power through my priorities in five.

Before I get on the plane I want to suggest that this board needs a FAQ in the worst way. There are some great examples around on ISG, and some pretty articulate writers here. Be awesome if those currently posting made a cooperative effort to generate and maintain a single document where us first timers could go. You would be doing a great service to Jackson's poor server full of repeated entreaties from the board to newbies to read through many pages of what can often be useless. Not saying there isn't a ton of good info here, but getting past the style and personality clashes is a time wasting chore.

Not sure if anyone is interested, but the map I prepared for my trip has over 300 hits from distinct IP's. Someone out there is wading back to the links and following them. Since I doubt I'll be back I won't be putting any more work into it, but am willing to help pass it off to anyone interested in maintaining it. If not I'll leave it up as long as I see it is getting used. A link in a FAQ document would sure make it easier for those that need it to find it too.

I'll bring it to the top one last time:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UT...c9d40f14d29d51

[TheKnight]

Guys should get flamed for posting BS and lies.

I know plenty of guys who love Rio and plenty who don't.

What is important is LJ posts the truth AS HE SEES IT, including his own ratings.

I've met Joey, he's a straight up guy and I'd stake a lot on him never having so much as a free cup of chai in Rio.

I go to Rio when I need to, or sometimes just to meet other mongers.

The problem with the line-up at the moment is probably "cramming". Students are having to fit in their year's work into a month shorter in 2012 because of Euro, so they don't want to commit to the 5 days a week minimum they want you to work. All I can say is I would be surprised if any club had more good-looking girls working. ADmittedly some won't sleep with you "dancers only", but LJ makes some valid points (albeit in a verbose way!) and tips such as simply asking Pasha or Dima if either X or Y leaves the club. Or sometime I have just said "Pasha" you know I want to take home a very slim, blonde, under 22, with decent attitude. And he will send someone over! We talk without onbligation, and if I like her I buy a drink and negotiate time / services.

I also used to go to R. P. Quite a bit, again because of convenience. You knew you could go there and pick up a girl of reasonable quality.

In those days there were many "old timers" as I used to think of them then, who used to flame guys for just going to RP and missing out on so much.

It's undoubtedly true the best sex is very very seldom with girls in the club. Rio overworks its girls and their service has gone down.

If you are fortunate enough to be able to hook a date and get her into bed you'll be very happy. But it's much the same as anywhere in the world. If you can't score at home you may struggle in Kyiv. Confidence is a massive factor, and age is only a minor handicap. So if you're around 50 and confident (ask Hunter Dave) you'll be fine. If you're 42 and lacking in confidence and "gift of the gab" you will struggle. Language problems are a bigger handicap than age.

I'm sure you could work out a mathematical formula, but maybe knock 10 years off your age and think the kind of success and types of girls you pulled back home then. That's what you should get in Kyiv now.

Right I risk being panned for boring the shit out of everyone. Enough said. LJ speaks sense and truth, though not to everyone's taste. Wise old hands Uke Boy, C. D. Et al know the whole scene from experience.

Must go sleep, got another Mamba girl due in 3. 5 hours, let's see if she wakes me up with her call!

[TheKnight]

Has anyone been to Paradise club on Schevchenko lately?

Can you still take dancers home?

Still? Considering they were trying to charge about 3 times what a very good RP girl would go for, and not until you'd bought extortionate champagne, and had the attitude of a Militsiya General who just found out you made his hitherto virgin 17yo daughter pregnant. I decided to steer clear for many, many years. Oh, actually I did accompany someone who was insistent on going once. He was convinced the stage show would be quality. He soon bowed to my knowledge and pledged never to doubt me again!

YMMV

[TheKnight]

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Its back 2 the times, when it was HunterDave V UB& Bez Bezarra, remember.

It might not find you girls, but makes you read between the lines, some of it makes you really wonder?

In fact, I can see here both sides of the Input, Rant, whatever.

I said I usually go to Rio every night when in town&enjoy the dances, atmosphere, but I never took out any girl from there, not at US$300, when I only go for short sessions anyway.

And paying US$3oo in one go, defeats the whole object of me going to Kiev (Mongering) in the first place.

Off topic here, Hydro park in the Summer is a great place, if you have a Russian speaking wingman, or better still go with a nice looking BI girl & let her do the hunting 4 both of you.

Getting the Bi-girl in the first place is not easy though! I just ended with a bi GF. Maybe I'll regret in a few months!

Idropark is a good place to go look / mingle. Lots of great, scantily clad bodies in various states of inebriation as the day turns into evening!

And with its own metro stop. Even newbies can't get lost.

[TheKnight]

This is a fairly new hotel that opened last week in Kiev.

http://www.fairmont.com/kyiv/?cmpid=.OVKEY=fairmont

Has anyone managed to stay here for mongering purposes?

I know it's expensive, just wanted to have a change from the usual apartment experience

Hey Immy. It would have been very handy for R. P. Bit far out for me.

I imagine there's a fair chance security will sense a chance to line their pockets.

[TheKnight]

And there are 8 pages of reports to wade through!

Arrived back in Kyiv yesterday evening. For those interested and asking about what the weather will be like when I visit etc. It's impossible to tell, check the 3-day forecast, anything more than 3 days is usually wrong and drastically revised during your stay! Just remember I was here last month and subject to. 28c. Yesterday and today were +20c. Tomorrow will be around +10c. In April could be anywhere between +3c and +27c, most likely about +17 I guess.

Mainly meeting friends this trip, cultivating potential freebies. Did have a free evening tonight though and instead of visiting a club, went on the websites and invited two girls over from Mamba, one masseur at $50 for 90 minutes. Sex would cost $100. She was 18yo but not too hot (maybe a 6) but she gave very firm professional massage and I couldn't resist fucking her. The landing strip on the pussy just drew me in (nice to see not everyone is totally shaven).

Then just made myself a coffee having shoved the 18yo out the door when I got a ping from Mamba, and this time struck lucky with a great GFE, studentka, occasional pro.

Very girl next door, cute, fit body.

Tomorrow likely I'll be out of action. Damn annoyed I missed the Fashion party. Reminds me of the old days of Moda Bar and other great pre-Eurovision times.

Once again agree with Cruiser D and another of the veterans I respected from day I found this board: Uke Boy, while Dr Skank is a great loss.

It is kind of funny reading about RIO and GIA. It's like reading a review of the McD on Khreshatic. Rio was awesome before 2006, it's way overplayed now. GIA was over in what. 2002?

I do remember thinking how much I missed on first trips to Kyiv, trying to discover everything on my own. Mind you even Kyiv Post had $50 girls advertising to help newbies, and with vintage R. P. (and Mandarin, Moda. 112) it was hard to go wrong!

However I've always been partial to strip joints, as an hors the'ouerves before the main event, although I usually try to pull the strippers too (having a business card is too hard for girls to hide. I write my number on a few small pieces of paper, then fold them up, before I head out. Much easier to push one of those into girls' palm even with the omnipresent cameras.

And it does annoy the hell out of me how poor the Rio stage shows are now compared to when I first visited (pre-fire, with casino upstairs). In those days though it was so expensive to take a girl out she had to be a 9 or above to even contemplate, but the atmosphere was good.

[TheKnight]

I avoid Buddha Bar like the plague.

The bar and the girls (even the freebies (?) are waaaaaay too pretentious for my tastes. The decor is somewhat amusing (in that trying too hard way but not quite getting it) and I find the food average and very overpriced. I find it amusing that girls and some guys view this as some kind of ultra swanky place. It's just a flash place for people who think they have something to flash.

OK Bar is where the local juice used to like to go, haven't been there is a year so I don't know if it's still trendy.

Anyone been to Beef? Or is it called Meat? That place across from Decedance? It looks interesting but I don't know if it's all flash.

The most sensible post I've seen in a long time.

Horrible place, way overpriced, and way past-it old pros. Never heard anyone I trust say they got a good service even for the minimum $200 I know some old-timers managed to get (3 hours).

Agree with every word about the clientele and decor C. D.

[Horny Monger]

The only difference between RIO and the clubs you describe above including great ones in London as well, is that in RIO there are girls you can take out for US$300 for 3 hours.

This is a fact, not some kind of Fantasy in Candy Land, where its 4 your eyes only.

What is disputed by some members here, are the looks of the girls, and the Scale used in tthe evalution of such looks.

US$300 over 3 hours, is US$100 per hour, and if you can pop more than 3 times during this time, then it can work out at less than US$70 per pop.

Unfortunately for me, even with Levitra, I wouldn't be able to manage that, being in the wrong half of my 40s.

This thread is becoming addictive.

Eye candy is not real fun.

I want to play.