Kyiv

[Global Surfer]

http://escort-models.com/en/models/sortrice:asc/

Seems too good to be. Anybody ever use this?

Dave

Photos are usually fake, however sometime you may get a good deal. Remeber, for foreigners, this is one of the cheapest option. Please note if you send the girl back with just the taxi fare, they would not serve you again even though it is their fault to post a fake photo in the first place.

Personally I would prefer Mamba. Most photos even on mamba are fake or heavily photoshopped and it does require hard work but worth a try.

I generally prefer to meet them in afternoon. If all goes well then enjoy your evenning otherwise switch to Plan B I. E. Bars.

I think there is very interesting debate going on in favour of and against Rio and Budha bar and etc.

I have used these places and no doubt you can get quality but the point is if you add up all the cost of travel and hotel and the girl, probably west is much cheaper than that

[Felix Nordic]

Good discussion here during the last 20 pages or so and contributions from many good members. Much welcome and it benefits us all. There is a huge need for a reality check regarding Kiev. Much needed IMHO.

What do you get compared to what you can get for that hard earned dough in other places? I feel some people just think that lets go to Kiev because it seems like a hot place for girls. Is it? For the first timer without experience I would say no way! Better chose another destination, like Germanys FKK, which pays of better for what you get. Nice to have some of the old guard posting here, and I think they contribute a lot, though I feel some are off as well. We all like to live in what it used to be like. However for the insider it might still be heaven, but that does not reflect the general situation now IMHO. Anyway, I go to other places than Kiev and thats for a reason. Easily!

I want to comment about Bez as well. IMHO he was a strange guy and a huge pain in the ass to many members including myself. In the end we got along better, but still I feel it is not fair to give him divine status just because he posted some pics and posted amusing replies. He even gave me a PM in the end but that does not excuse his ways. He herassed my arse in the early years, and many others, without a reason at all. All I tried to do here is to post what I like to think as usefull information and contribute and pay back as I have learned a lot here. I think I do so, at least I hope so in general, though Kiev is not my place in this particular reply, but I wish to start a reality check and a wake up for some members. If you think my posts are bad I challence you, to come up with any bad posts or faulty information posts I have made and compare with Bez replies. Please do it. Bez totally lacked social skills and a way to behave in a decent way. No loss for his leaving of this forum as I did not think he contributed in a good general way and he liked to pick on certain members. Thats not the way to do it on our forum and I understand if he was kicked. I have not actually read any good informative posts by him. I have only been a member here for 7 to 8 years, but please forgive me if my memory serves me wrong, but yet again no real value information by him in the open forum. With that said he also often posted quite nice pics I have o say, Kudos to him, but I wish he could have bought a better camara and been more socially skilled. The drop of Bez is good to this forum IMHO. I do not give a rats arse if other respected old guard members feel differently. Feel free to do so, and please correct me if my posts are bad. I welcome that, but please put Bez comments to mine in to the context. I will be glad to reply to that. Please be ready with good arguments.

Dr Skank is another matter and he was a huge asset to the forum. He was also a humble man with a lot of experience and a super hunter. I do miss him as well. I heard he has got tired of posting here as few qualified posts were given back. I do undertand him. Dr Skank, all the best wishes to you!)

Well, well. I have not seen a single photo of a girl posted in this Ukraine thread that was close to rival a girl I shagged in Frankfurts FKK Palace around 5 years ago. (As a side note that goes for some other girls I have shagged as well) Not even close, and I regard this girl named Danielle from Romania as a pure 9. When she entered the FKK club it was just perfect and what I needed as I had already done 3 nice girls. However I got her attention instantly as she entered and told her to go to a room. It was dinner time at 18. 00 and most were headed to the buffe that was served. It has been reported that she was snobbish and gave poor service to some guys but good service to others (her service including real tongue kissing and BBBJ as standard) and to me it was a real strike, to use bowling terms. No wonder why she was a bit snobbish, as she was aware of her market value. A bit of a shark but as I know a bit of Romanian I think I charmed her, or at least I like to think so, at least I made personal contact. My burst of semen hit her in her face and eyes and she became upset, but I calmed her with a few words in Romanian and excuses and sweet talking that I could not help it because she was so beautiful. I could be wrong, or just plain lucky, but I know what I got. However I can compare with other services I have gotten with P4P and she was great, very good. And a top beauty. I have never been with a true 10 as a side note. In my meter personality and performance weighs in as well. Age does not matter but rather beauty and performance matters even if she is that hot 18 or that hot 30. Beauty and performance counts. On my meter a rather popular porn actress should be a good comparison, not that it means I do worship her, or all men, but as a general standard meter. Those managing the porn industry knows which girls are hot because they are into it in a professional way. Thats why they use "male worship icons". Some of these girls you can get at $ 600, or above but be selective and smart, for 3 hours compared to a no name "no recognised beauty, or a no beauty" in a Kiev strip club at $ 300 for 3 hours. Lets compare. Does it make sense? Not to me. It really should be cheaper in in Kiev unless desperate rich guys plays it, loss or no loss, or really does not care. Instant gratification to feel like a real man is far more important to most. Would you buy a bottle of Veuve Clicquot for E 35 or a E 100? Your choice and your call, but be prepared to be named as crazy.

Prices are climbing and for those who try to manage their economy, and with a brain, for hunting good quality it is all changing. On todays market it is different. The sucker takes the bait, and the smart fish will get the good deal. It becomes more and more important to be smart and selective.

I post a photo of a girl that I consider to be a 9, not as sharp as Danielle girl in FKK palace, or other top girls IMHO that I have shagged, but on the other hand this girl in the photos did not cost me anything money wise. Ok, I did buy her roses and fancy lingerie and cooked her nice tasty food, but that does not count IMHO. I rate her as close to a model body and a nice model face. A real 9, but small tits though, but thats what you usually get with a really slim girl.

Cheers and happy hunting.

Felix

[Ronaldinjo]

Hi Dave,

I recall our PM correspondence where you were seeking advice regarding having a batchelor party in Kiev, and I reference my post on this thread of February 23, 2012, concerning my ideas for your batchelor party, see:

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...=1#post1251303

So, how have your plans progressed for the batchelor party?

I have reported previously on the website you asked about.

www.escort-models.com

I have also seen reports by other members about this agency.

Unfortunately, Goobye Lenin is correct. The photos look and are too good to be true. So don't rely on the photos of this agency to order girls to staff your batchelor party.

However, this does not mean you can't get good looking girls from this agency. It merely means the pictures are fake, and you will have to do some work to reveal what this agency is capable of delivering. I reported my own experience with such websites, where a really extremely skinny spindley blond girl with an ok face showed up in response to my invitation to send one of the website hotties, and I complained to the girl who came and told her that I wanted a girl like the one on the website that I showed her on my laptop. She said she will arrange things with her agency and a pretty girl will come. I did wait a longer time than they said, and the agency was not that reassuring on the phone when I called, so instead I made other arrangements and a girl I had been with before was soon on her way. But then lo and behold a very pretty girl did show up from the agency. So I got it cleared with both girls and had an impromptu 3some. What it means is that you must do the investigative work I wrote to you about and go throught the websites and make dates and send away the girls who don't make the cut, and try out the girls who look good and come up with some girls who make the grade to be invited to the batchelor party, so it will be a good one.

At the time Gentleman Travel wrote some good advice which I will cite to you again.

This is the way to get enough good looking girls for your batchelor party at a reasonably low cost.

I wrote to you about the higher cost option at the strip club which would not involve a lot of preliminary investigative work to find good looking girls, since it reliably has a lot of good looking girls present at the club on any given night, but there the risk is in performance of the girls once you get them home, and therefore even at the strip club it would be best to try out a few of the girls in advance, until you know you have winners to invite to the batchelors party.

Lastly, I wrote to you that an FKK trip would be a blast for a batchelor's party, especially if you haven't been to FKK's before. It will literally knock your socks off, and you may become addicted, as so many on this forum have.

I will be hitting the FKK's later in April. I will be in Berlin's Artemis on the night of April 19, and I will be in Frankfurt for weekend of April 20 to 22 and plan to hit FKK Oase and FKK Palace, two of the best FKK's. If you want to do a preliminary expedition then, I would be glad to show you the ropes.

So where are you along the process of planning your party? Never heard back from you.

Before you freak out TheKnight with your last one, Jojosun, I should remind that I believe I posted this information somewhere previously and told about the application TheKnight showed me, in trying to explain to mongers that not speaking Russian doesn't mean they have to entirely give up on getting girls who don't speak English. I have been using Google Translate on my laptop, and on my Blackberry to do enough translation so that I can get by enough to get into the pussy in question. And a touch and talk application like the one TheKnight showed me would work even better.

Ronaldinjo, don't get into a tizzy over this. When is your trip to Kiev? I was just in Kiev for weekend of February 17 to 19 and everything at Rio was as usual, plenty of pretty girls. I will be in Kiev for March 30 to April 4 again, and will likely go to Rio during that period, although this time I have a number of evenings set up with dates with girls I met on prior trips. I will definitely report if I see anything remarkable amiss at the club in terms of line up. There was a bit of a wane in the line up at the end of last summer in August / September 2011, for whatever reason. So it sometimes happens. But generally speaking the line up has a fair number of hotties.

Planning to fly to Kiev in the beggining of may for 2-3 days. I know the summer is not the best time for Kiev as a lot of hotties travel to the seas, but what about April-may? If there are a lot of students there as you mentioned so they are going to be in study vaccations. Does somebody know when the studies end in Kiev this year? Suppose earlier then last year because of euro 2012. Joey, you have been there last April, did you mention some abcence of hotties in that period of time?

[LilJoey]

http://escort-models.com/en/models/sortrice:asc/

Seems too good to be. Anybody ever use this?

Dave

Hi Dave,

I recall our PM correspondence where you were seeking advice regarding having a batchelor party in Kiev, and I reference my post on this thread of February 23, 2012, concerning my ideas for your batchelor party, see: http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...=1#post1251303

So, how have your plans progressed for the batchelor party?

I have reported previously on the website you asked about www.escort-models.com. I have also seen reports by other members about this agency.

Unfortunately, Goobye Lenin is correct. The photos look and are too good to be true. So don't rely on the photos of this agency to order girls to staff your batchelor party.

However, this does not mean you can't get good looking girls from this agency. It merely means the pictures are fake, and you will have to do some work to reveal what this agency is capable of delivering. I reported my own experience with such websites, where a really extremely skinny spindley blond girl with an ok face showed up in response to my invitation to send one of the website hotties, and I complained to the girl who came and told her that I wanted a girl like the one on the website that I showed her on my laptop. She said she will arrange things with her agency and a pretty girl will come. I did wait a longer time than they said, and the agency was not that reassuring on the phone when I called, so instead I made other arrangements and a girl I had been with before was soon on her way. But then lo and behold a very pretty girl did show up from the agency. So I got it cleared with both girls and had an impromptu 3some. What it means is that you must do the investigative work I wrote to you about and go throught the websites and make dates and send away the girls who don't make the cut, and try out the girls who look good and come up with some girls who make the grade to be invited to the batchelor party, so it will be a good one.

At the time Gentleman Travel wrote some good advice which I will cite to you again.

I would just like to add that you don't necessarily have to find dozens of quality girls for your bachelor party. First you have to find 2 or 3 really good girls (in terms of price and quality) whether they be pros or semi-pros. Then they can find other girls for you. Like any business, referrals are invaluable. All girls are plugged into vast networks of friends and colleagues, and if you find one that suits your needs then chances are she has friends who will meet your friends' needs. A hot 8. 0 blonde who is doing everything you want for $300 is not going to set you up with frigid faker who wants $500. So work the dyev network to expand your network.

This is the way to get enough good looking girls for your batchelor party at a reasonably low cost.

I wrote to you about the higher cost option at the strip club which would not involve a lot of preliminary investigative work to find good looking girls, since it reliably has a lot of good looking girls present at the club on any given night, but there the risk is in performance of the girls once you get them home, and therefore even at the strip club it would be best to try out a few of the girls in advance, until you know you have winners to invite to the batchelors party.

Lastly, I wrote to you that an FKK trip would be a blast for a batchelor's party, especially if you haven't been to FKK's before. It will literally knock your socks off, and you may become addicted, as so many on this forum have.

I will be hitting the FKK's later in April. I will be in Berlin's Artemis on the night of April 19, and I will be in Frankfurt for weekend of April 20 to 22 and plan to hit FKK Oase and FKK Palace, two of the best FKK's. If you want to do a preliminary expedition then, I would be glad to show you the ropes.

So where are you along the process of planning your party? Never heard back from you.

And when you met Liljoey at Rio club, you showed him the Translation Application on Your I Phone, Remember.

How do I know that, when I haven; t met either one of you.

Now I am waiting for someone to say, that I had a look on the CCTV for that night, because I am member of the Male Non Dancing Non Stripping staff of Rio Club.

Before you freak out TheKnight with your last one, Jojosun, I should remind that I believe I posted this information somewhere previously and told about the application TheKnight showed me, in trying to explain to mongers that not speaking Russian doesn't mean they have to entirely give up on getting girls who don't speak English. I have been using Google Translate on my laptop, and on my Blackberry to do enough translation so that I can get by enough to get into the pussy in question. And a touch and talk application like the one TheKnight showed me would work even better.

Guys should get flamed for posting BS and lies.

The problem with the line-up at the moment is probably "cramming". Students are having to fit in their year's work into a month shorter in 2012 because of Euro, so they don't want to commit to the 5 days a week minimum they want you to work.

Theknight, do you meen that this is the reason why there are not a lo of good looking girls there now? The egzams untill the end of may? You think the quality will improve during and after euro or stay the same?

Ronaldinjo, don't get into a tizzy over this. When is your trip to Kiev? I was just in Kiev for weekend of February 17 to 19 and everything at Rio was as usual, plenty of pretty girls. I will be in Kiev for March 30 to April 4 again, and will likely go to Rio during that period, although this time I have a number of evenings set up with dates with girls I met on prior trips. I will definitely report if I see anything remarkable amiss at the club in terms of line up. There was a bit of a wane in the line up at the end of last summer in August / September 2011, for whatever reason. So it sometimes happens. But generally speaking the line up has a fair number of hotties.

[Goodbye Lenin]

http://escort-models.com/en/models/sortrice:asc/

Seems too good to be. Anybody ever use this?

Dave

Full of fakes.

[Dave Carrera]

http://escort-models.com/en/models/sortrice:asc/

Seems too good to be. Anybody ever use this?

Dave

[Prosal]

Scaling girls

The "Golden Number" was of course a joke, but it's a pure fact that beauty is a mathematic equation, and by no means something subjective. Anyone working in the model business will confirm that.

[Prosal]

For the members that state 10's don't exist or Victoria Secret models are 8's, well I have no idea what to say to that.

Any talent scout can tell you that 10's don't exist. It is not only a question of mensurations, height, bust measurement, marked camber, impish nose, mellow lips, or perfect geometry between eyes interval and neck nobility. Beauty is a mathematic equation: as an exemple, the distance between the base of the nose and the chin must be the same than between the crest of the forehead and the eyebrows. There is rules to respect, as the "Golden Number" (1. 61803399) , which is the height of Keops pyramid divided by its half-base. If you divide the girl's height by the distance between the ground and the navel, you must obtain this number, which also must be equal to the distance between the ground and the navel divided by the distance between the navel and the top of the skull. True connoiseurs will tell you that a girl which doesn't suit those criterions is literally unfuckable.

As for the "eighty percent of the many thousands of mongers of that forum concur as to what is what in appearance", I see in some forums many many photos of girls described as "drop dead gorgeous" but that I wouldn't rate above 2's and that I wouldn't touch with a 10" pole.

[Drgn]

Right. Some of LJ's posts do fit with your well-said description, quote: 'There is a lot of energy put into "quantifying" the experience in terms of cost per hour, cost per orgasm, cost per unit of beauty, etc. Which is a bit excessive. And at some point, a decision was made (and then repeatedly rationalized) that Rio represented the lowest risk, highest value option for a newbie. '

Perhaps LJ is not interested in going after older chicks or MILFs; it seems he's going after the hot 18 to 22 year old group. With limited time but wanting a sure thing from hot chicks much younger than himself, LJ has found his place.

Unless a man is or looks under 40, it'the be quite a feat to chat up a hot 18 to 22 year old young girl and to frequently have his wicked ways with her for 'free'.

How often is it really free when a man 35 to over 40 is dating a 18 to 20 year old hot chick?

You know, you are right: 18. 22 year olds are not my target market anymore for several reasons. First, I have a 17 year old niece whom I adore and the creepy / pervy factor goes up when I even consider someone close to her age. Second, I spent several years in "stripper world" which means I was a stripper boyfriend, hung out with strip club owners, went to stripper weddings, stripper birthday parties, hung out with strippers for Thanksgiving, New Years, Christmas, and vacations, etc. Are you getting my point? I'm strippered-OUT. (BTW, my professional career is 180 degrees from that aspect of my social life.) And, third, I prefer a woman with a little more life experience. I'd rather have the 25 year old yoga instructor or the 30 year old ER nurse who runs 5 days a week instead of the 20 year old stripper or student. I'm in my late 30's, so perhaps I'll come back around someday.

Now, to answer your question about the 35-40 year old man with a 18-20 year old chick, it comes down to roles. In the past, I have gone with the mentor / mentee frame which is driven by the belief that women in that age group crave interesting, new, fun, exciting experiences like junkies. Here, I'm inviting her in and sharing my world in a way guys her own age cannot, specifically, along on things I ALREADY plan on doing. If a close male friend forgot his wallet at home, would I buy him a drink if I was ALREADY ordering one for myself? Of course. Several years ago, a little redhead turned to me at dinner and said she realized we weren't going to nice places because I was trying to impress her. Rather, I'd be there ANYWAY even if she weren't with me. BINGO! With the mentor / mentee role, you expand her model of the world by placing a VALUE on your 30+ years of experience and communicating that in a way she can understand. The 18-20 year old wants to be seen as a "real woman" (gross generalization) , not a little girl. The joke is each one has some unconscious metric as to how much "experience" is required for her to be a "real woman", hence the craving. That's your target. Your job is to push that emotional button, while being the cool, confident MAN she can look up to. As it relates to pick up, HER ability to snag a cool, confident, worthy man is a direct reflection on her value as a WOMAN. Complete reframe. Granted, if she's a total party girl with ADD, then she's going to go chasing after the next "shiny thing" anyway. However, ADD party girls are a subset of 18-20 year old hot chicks, just like strippers are only a subset of hot women, in general. This is just an approach I have used. I'm sure others have their own process / framework / structure.

[Jojosun]

Guys should get flamed for posting BS and lies.

I know plenty of guys who love Rio and plenty who don't.

What is important is LJ posts the truth AS HE SEES IT, including his own ratings.

I've met Joey, he's a straight up guy and I'd stake a lot on him never having so much as a free cup of chai in Rio.

I go to Rio when I need to, or sometimes just to meet other mongers.

The problem with the line-up at the moment is probably "cramming". Students are having to fit in their year's work into a month shorter in 2012 because of Euro, so they don't want to commit to the 5 days a week minimum they want you to work. All I can say is I would be surprised if any club had more good-looking girls working. ADmittedly some won't sleep with you "dancers only", but LJ makes some valid points (albeit in a verbose way!) and tips such as simply asking Pasha or Dima if either X or Y leaves the club. Or sometime I have just said "Pasha" you know I want to take home a very slim, blonde, under 22, with decent attitude. And he will send someone over! We talk without onbligation, and if I like her I buy a drink and negotiate time / services.

I also used to go to R. P. Quite a bit, again because of convenience. You knew you could go there and pick up a girl of reasonable quality.

In those days there were many "old timers" as I used to think of them then, who used to flame guys for just going to RP and missing out on so much.

It's undoubtedly true the best sex is very very seldom with girls in the club. Rio overworks its girls and their service has gone down.

If you are fortunate enough to be able to hook a date and get her into bed you'll be very happy. But it's much the same as anywhere in the world. If you can't score at home you may struggle in Kyiv. Confidence is a massive factor, and age is only a minor handicap. So if you're around 50 and confident (ask Hunter Dave) you'll be fine. If you're 42 and lacking in confidence and "gift of the gab" you will struggle. Language problems are a bigger handicap than age.

I'm sure you could work out a mathematical formula, but maybe knock 10 years off your age and think the kind of success and types of girls you pulled back home then. That's what you should get in Kyiv now.

Right I risk being panned for boring the shit out of everyone. Enough said. LJ speaks sense and truth, though not to everyone's taste. Wise old hands Uke Boy, C. D. Et al know the whole scene from experience.

Must go sleep, got another Mamba girl due in 3. 5 hours, let's see if she wakes me up with her call!

And when you met Liljoey at Rio club, you showed him the Translation Application on Your I Phone, Remember.

How do I know that, when I haven; t met either one of you.

Now I am waiting for someone to say, that I had a look on the CCTV for that night, because I am member of the Male Non Dancing Non Stripping staff of Rio Club.

Ahh, I also remember the times, when Good Old Bez Bezarra used to flame anyone who went to River Palace looking for hotties.

His recommendations were to head deep into Provincial Ukraine & the villages.

Call me a Pansy being now at my age, and especally when it comes to going deep inside Ukraine &

Russia, but had I listened to Bez's advice at the time, perhaps I would have ended with F All, to show 4 my trip.

I am trying to locate here a very good & realistic report on who can score the most with Freebies in Kiev, it was posted by Waryman, but can't find it.

Anyone here, please post the link for it, if you can find it.

[Jojosun]

Guys should get flamed for posting BS and lies.

I know plenty of guys who love Rio and plenty who don't.

What is important is LJ posts the truth AS HE SEES IT, including his own ratings.

I've met Joey, he's a straight up guy and I'd stake a lot on him never having so much as a free cup of chai in Rio.

I go to Rio when I need to, or sometimes just to meet other mongers.

The problem with the line-up at the moment is probably "cramming". Students are having to fit in their year's work into a month shorter in 2012 because of Euro, so they don't want to commit to the 5 days a week minimum they want you to work. All I can say is I would be surprised if any club had more good-looking girls working. ADmittedly some won't sleep with you "dancers only", but LJ makes some valid points (albeit in a verbose way!) and tips such as simply asking Pasha or Dima if either X or Y leaves the club. Or sometime I have just said "Pasha" you know I want to take home a very slim, blonde, under 22, with decent attitude. And he will send someone over! We talk without onbligation, and if I like her I buy a drink and negotiate time / services.

I also used to go to R. P. Quite a bit, again because of convenience. You knew you could go there and pick up a girl of reasonable quality.

In those days there were many "old timers" as I used to think of them then, who used to flame guys for just going to RP and missing out on so much.

It's undoubtedly true the best sex is very very seldom with girls in the club. Rio overworks its girls and their service has gone down.

If you are fortunate enough to be able to hook a date and get her into bed you'll be very happy. But it's much the same as anywhere in the world. If you can't score at home you may struggle in Kyiv. Confidence is a massive factor, and age is only a minor handicap. So if you're around 50 and confident (ask Hunter Dave) you'll be fine. If you're 42 and lacking in confidence and "gift of the gab" you will struggle. Language problems are a bigger handicap than age.

I'm sure you could work out a mathematical formula, but maybe knock 10 years off your age and think the kind of success and types of girls you pulled back home then. That's what you should get in Kyiv now.

Right I risk being panned for boring the shit out of everyone. Enough said. LJ speaks sense and truth, though not to everyone's taste. Wise old hands Uke Boy, C. D. Et al know the whole scene from experience.

Must go sleep, got another Mamba girl due in 3. 5 hours, let's see if she wakes me up with her call!

And when you met Liljoey at Rio club, you showed him the Translation Application on Your I Phone, Remember.

How do I know that, when I haven; t met either one of you.

Now I am waiting for someone to say, that I had a look on the CCTV for that night, because I am member of the Male Non Dancing Non Stripping staff of Rio Club.

Ahh, I also remember the times, when Good Old Bez Bezarra used to flame anyone who went to River Palace looking for hotties.

His recommendations were to head deep into Provincial Ukraine & the villages.

Call me a Pansy being now at my age, and especally when it comes to going deep inside Ukraine &

Russia, but had I listened to Bez's advice at the time, perhaps I would have ended with F All, to show 4 my trip. .

I am trying to locate here a very good & realistic report on who can score the most with Freebies in Kiev, it was posted by Waryman, but can't find it.

Anyone here, please post the link for it, if you can find it.

[Ronaldinjo]

[QUOTE=TheKnight; 1259654]Guys should get flamed for posting BS and lies.

The problem with the line-up at the moment is probably "cramming". Students are having to fit in their year's work into a month shorter in 2012 because of Euro, so they don't want to commit to the 5 days a week minimum they want you to work.

Theknight, do you meen that this is the reason why there are not a lo of good looking girls there now? The egzams untill the end of may? You think the quality will improve during and after euro or stay the same?

[Ronaldinjo]

And there are 8 pages of reports to wade through!

Arrived back in Kyiv yesterday evening. For those interested and asking about what the weather will be like when I visit etc. It's impossible to tell, check the 3-day forecast, anything more than 3 days is usually wrong and drastically revised during your stay! Just remember I was here last month and subject to. 28c. Yesterday and today were +20c. Tomorrow will be around +10c. In April could be anywhere between +3c and +27c, most likely about +17 I guess.

Mainly meeting friends this trip, cultivating potential freebies. Did have a free evening tonight though and instead of visiting a club, went on the websites and invited two girls over from Mamba, one masseur at $50 for 90 minutes. Sex would cost $100. She was 18yo but not too hot (maybe a 6) but she gave very firm professional massage and I couldn't resist fucking her. The landing strip on the pussy just drew me in (nice to see not everyone is totally shaven).

Then just made myself a coffee having shoved the 18yo out the door when I got a ping from Mamba, and this time struck lucky with a great GFE, studentka, occasional pro.

Very girl next door, cute, fit body.

Tomorrow likely I'll be out of action. Damn annoyed I missed the Fashion party. Reminds me of the old days of Moda Bar and other great pre-Eurovision times.

Once again agree with Cruiser D and another of the veterans I respected from day I found this board: Uke Boy, while Dr Skank is a great loss.

I do remember thinking how much I missed on first trips to Kyiv, trying to discover everything on my own. Mind you even Kyiv Post had $50 girls advertising to help newbies, and with vintage R. P. (and Mandarin, Moda. 112) it was hard to go wrong!

However I've always been partial to strip joints, as an hors the'ouerves before the main event, although I usually try to pull the strippers too (having a business card is too hard for girls to hide. I write my number on a few small pieces of paper, then fold them up, before I head out. Much easier to push one of those into girls' palm even with the omnipresent cameras.

And it does annoy the hell out of me how poor the Rio stage shows are now compared to when I first visited (pre-fire, with casino upstairs). In those days though it was so expensive to take a girl out she had to be a 9 or above to even contemplate, but the atmosphere was good.

Hello, knight. Were the girls much more better looking then or what compared to novadays? What was the difference? Can you explain?

[Jojosun]

Getting the Bi-girl in the first place is not easy though! I just ended with a bi GF. Maybe I'll regret in a few months!

Idropark is a good place to go look / mingle. Lots of great, scantily clad bodies in various states of inebriation as the day turns into evening!

And with its own metro stop. Even newbies can't get lost.

Yes, unless the girl is a Pro, it would be difficult 4 a civvy girl to out herself to you that she is Bi.

In my misspent youth on both sides of the Atlantic, most of my girlfriends were working in cosmetics&perfumery and were so much fun as well as with good looks.

The majority of them were Bi. How did I find this out? .

I figured rather than spending money going to the gym, why not turn a huge spare room in my place into a mini gym, complete with a big jacuzzi, sunbed, shower &treadmill. And with some indoor plants& the right lighting and music system, it was a truly sexy place.

Going out with my girlfriend at the time on a lot of after work social drinks with other girls (No Guys at all) , the girls at the end of very boozy sessions, were dying by then to come back to my health club for more drinks& a dip in the Jacuzzi.

Once in the jacuzzi with 2 or 3 girls you would be surpsied at how Bi they were, when you thought at first they were straight? . It was the quickest & cheapest way to get them undressed in a natural way & 4 me to get into their pussies. Over time ex girfriends were becoming more like Buddies & Ladettes, and I kept in touch with some. .

It was like penetrating a closed social club. .

In Kiev, I don't know if its a culture or languages issues, but I found it difficult to get a non pro girl to admit that she is BI.

I don't like to go to a normal club on my own, looking like a lone lost Dick in my late 40s chasing young pussies.

This is when a good looking BI wing girl comes handy, as a magnet to atttract another girl.

And this what I am working on & doing with my Darina from Donetsk, whom she felt hurt at first, when I told her that being just with her is not very exciting 4 me.

Hence she is my friend now with benefits. IF she didn't agree, I was seriously thinking of bringing one of my good looking BI Ladette from London on a monering & pulling trip 2 Kiev. On a longer stay in Kiev, I am going to stay in an Apartment with a Jacuzzi to go down memory lane.

Sorry to bore you with all the above BS, but you got me nostalgic. Will dig up some old photos to complete the picture.

BTW, I am glad to see that you posted in time about your honest opinion of Liljoey, who was getting at times the same reception as Hunter Dave got, when he first posted.

At those times even some posters were doubting that a monger by such name existed.

Well I didn't get to meet Hunter, but I met a great looking girl Inna, whom Hunter met & had the pleasure with. And her description of Hunter's looks match photos that he posted here.

Now watch this space for more Action, when Hunter lands in Kiev at the end of the Month.

In the meantime have Fun & keep us updated.

Cheers

[Climaxnow]

Every now and then, this forum gets into weird debate of how to scale girls. For the sake of common ground, I use the oThER major sex forum as the template of what constitutes a 7 or 8 and so on. Eighty percent of the many thousands of mongers of that forum concur as to what is what in appearance. Sure some members skew it with overly personalized ratings but a common denominator is generally reached among the mass.

For the members that state 10's don't exist or Victoria Secret models are 8's, well I have no idea what to say to that.