Kyiv

[Cruiser D]

Diplomats are the way they are because they generally want something from someone.

I mean can't you & Ukeboy adopt the Style of a very good diplomat, when he tells you to Go to Hell, and actually makes you look Forward to It.

Keep them coming, your Posts.

[LilJoey]

Our flights and hotel are now set. We are coming to Kiev for 4 nights mid April, and staying in a suite and 2 regular rooms at the Hyatt. We will do as you have suggested; wish there were a site with verifiable photos as so much to choose from and we are trying to maximize fun and ease.

I responded to you via PM regarding using a website to choose girls. I assume you mean to try out the girls in advance of your batchelor party, when you wrote you'll do as I suggested. Now you've given the time for your trip as mid-April. I hope you were mindful of the prior posts to avoid the Easter holiday period. What are your exact dates of travel?

[LilJoey]

Hi Joey. Planning to fly to Kiev in the beggining of may for 2-3 days. I know the summer is not the best time for Kiev as a lot of hotties travel to the seas, but what about April-may? If there are a lot of students there as you mentioned so they are going to be in study vaccations. Does somebody know when the studies end in Kiev this year? Suppose earlier then last year because of euro 2012. Joey, you have been there last April, did you mention some abcence of hotties in that period of time?

Last year I don't think I detected any noticeable lack of p4p girls after the Easter holiday, so the "holiday" effect should not persist after the holiday ends this year too. However, you have alluded to the effect changes in the university schedules this year because of Euro 2012. This is an unknown, although there was some posting on it earlier in the thread. I suppose you could try to ask or find out about the university schedule more in detail and make inferences based on what you find out. We will just have to wait and see. If you already have booked the trip, I'm sure you will still be able to have a nice time even if some girls have left town.

[RomanyStar]

hey romany, thanks for the detailed reports, not everyone does this after mining the forum for advice.

glad you had a great time, although i think you made things difficult for yourself with your "no repeats" policy. the roi goes up dramatically when you don't incur the work and risks of finding a new pussy every time. but to each his own!

how much was the gia girl? if you say "same as montreal" i assume that is $200-$250 per hour? but it sounds like you got a real gfe from her and probably more than one hours time?

glad you enjoyed the travelogue. i've used isg for years, but for the first time felt like i had a number of questions i could not dig out of the forum (in a reasonable amount of time). my small payback may be appreciated by a few, and i hope that one of you is willing to do the faq.

actually, since the gia girls were each $300/2hrs it makes them a little cheaper than montreal. i usually pay $180-200 / hr in montreal with no discount until three hours. i always do at least two hours to build a rapport, for the experience i'm looking for it works better to have a half hour of talk, then to slowly move into the touch, kiss phase rather than meeting them at the door nude and peeling them down on the spot. this is the closest two people ever get, treating them like a friend, an equal, and a lover makes it a lot more pleasurable for me in the long run.

no repeat policy stems from a bad mistake 30 years ago. i did a rescue on a high end la call girl that led to a ten year relationship. the divorce and subsequent therapy makes that the most expensive pussy i've ever dreamed about. even though sorely tempted in kiev i will never see a p4p again within the year, and also why i shy away from "freebies". i'm not buying anybody another house, or splitting what remains of my retirement. hourly works best for me.

one more flight to get home. kiev is fortunately too far from home for me to even consider returning. beautiful women all over the place. a couple out of my small sample were absolutely awesome in bed. beautiful city, great food. totally understand why those that stay or return are there, but not again for me.

[LilJoey]

Why even bother replying when you haven't been there? You are neither experienced in Chisinau or apparently Kiev. What is the sound of one hand clapping? Little Joey as he types a post on ISG.

You talking about Rio endlessly is about as interesting as you doing a cost comparison about the value menu at the McDonalds on Khreshatic, which I'm sure is probably next.

Just so there is no confusion about why the experienced members of the board react the way we do to you posts. Everything about your posts screams, I don't have a clue and apparently you are willing to write very long disjointed essays to that effect.

Please stop, it's extremely tedious. You can take girls out of Rio for sex, some are okay looking. We get it. Stop.

The board didn't jump back to life because you posted your 100th dissertation on Rio. It came roaring back to life because I started posting and some other senior members joined me. People that actually have something to say other than I went to Rio (Buddha Bar, GIA) , my apartment, Arena to eat and then back to the airport.

Cruiser Dave, I have read the small snippets of comments you have posted since you recently began posting and detect nothing of value to anyone contributed by you. You have posted no action reports or current intel. The Kiev thread has not "come roaring back to life" because you started posting except in your own mind, but such a line does clearly expose how self important you feel. And this in turn explains why you persist in trying to mischaracterize my posts as being only about Rio, which is false. I have written about all of Kiev's p4p options. Anyone who has read my prior posts knows that I have reported on all aspects of Kiev's p4p, and I have experimented with all of it, and that I know what I am writing about. Further I supply valid factual reasons for any recommendation I make which are sufficient explanation for my conclusions, without going into delusional conspiracy theories. If you wish to dispute a recommendation or conclusion I have made, do so on a factual basis. Otherwise, your ad hominem attacks on me are useless rubbish.

You have posted no action reports and have not recently contributed anything of value. Why don't you stop trying to fight with others and be more constructive. Sorry if I'm not bowing before your highnesses, but the emperor hath no clothes.

LJ

[Prosal]

And what about posters walking into a Strip Club or a Bar I. And nailing a stunner in record time & For Free.

Nothing extraordinary with that. There's many opportunities with strippers in FSU, as long as you treat them nicely and have some "game". Jake993 and Passepartout said it better in the Russia forum, these girls are treated like piece of meat night after nignt and are often not looking for money as much as they are looking for a little personal attention, empathy and respect. As a side note, many of them are completely normal people outside of work.

By the way having a stripper as a regular "fuck-buddy" is a very good position in that even if you go to a non-pro disco or have a date with a non-pro and say don't get any that night, you always have your stripper to fall back on at 5am. My first freebie stripper experience was in Chisinau, with a nice and rather hot girl 21 yo working in Bacardi Club. She would get off of work at 5am, SMSed to see if I was available or still awake, and if I was, would go to my apartment, down one beer or two, talk a bit, have sex, sleep till noon, sex again, and then leave. No questions asked and no materialistic expectations, save a few cocktails sometimes at 7 pm before her work. Talk about a nice situation. I then had the same kind of experience in Tashkent and other places in FSU.

Talking about Tashkent, in case of someone here is interested by comparisons (it seems that many guys here SHOULD expand their horizons), there is strip bar there named FM bar, a drinking hole and a strip club under the same roof. Usually, there are 25 - 30 girls and not very many guys. Most of the girls are rather hot (by my standarts), and all ethnicities are represented - it's Uzbekistan, the most ethnically various country in FSU. It's as close to a striptease club that you can get in Tashkent, which means: the girls don't get totally naked, but stay in lingerie (with a few dancing exceptions). Usually, they'll come to your table and ask you whether you want a lapdance or a massage. The lapdance is a normal lapdance, and after it's done you're expected to hand a tip to the girl. Usually 3000 Soum (1€) will do, but if you really enjoyed the dance 4000 soums is better. The massage is a neck and shoulder massage. Some of the girls are also really good at that. The price is the same as for the lapdance and usually, lapdance and massage last for the duration of one song.

The drinks are humanly priced with the ladies drinks going for the rate same as the customer’s: a long neck beer is 1€ and a vodka shot even cheaper. Girls don't drink expensive silly champagne cocktails but are perfectly happy with beer, and occasionally by a hookah or some chocolate bonbons if they want to stay longer at your table (no fee), which often happen if you're nice with them. At those prices, I am rather generous and usually ordered anything they asked for so I had permanently two or three girls at my table. And as every other strip club of the region, if you hit it off with one of the girls, you can quite easily date her for a lunch or a drink the next day and strike up a freebie relationship.

[Gentleman Travel]

Ten hours of glorious sleep later it was time to make the most of my last day in Kiev. While laying there I felt a strong urge for someone fun, and NOW. Call it lazy, call it wasting money, call me a shill if you want. I called Gia again. It worked so well last time that with just 24 hours left in Kiev I wanted one more absolutely guaranteed hotty.

Polina showed up within 45 minutes. Dressed in very classic business attire, this tall, sort of innocent looking girl with a gorgeous smile looked WAY to good to be true. The coolest part is she was giving me an amazing passionate kiss seconds after walking through the door. She proved to be a total Energizer Bunny. Site says she is 29, I didn't believe it, but she insists. On the pencil thin side, but I finally got to cum watching that amazing ass slap up against me. We got along like a couple long lost friends. Love it when you run across a pro that enjoys what she's doing, and makes you crazy in the process. Those that say Gia is overpriced, may be right, but based on a worldwide market I say they offer damn good value for the money. Prices are well below top quality US agencies, and exactly the same as in Montreal. When an agency goes two for two at the quality of who they sent me I call it top notch.

I'm interested in quality p4p rather than freebies. Already have a couple of emails from the Mamba girl that spent the night. The expectations that come along with messing with someone's head like that amount to karmic debt I'd the rather not mess with. Remember this was intended, and probably is my only visit to Kiev.

Hey Romany, thanks for the detailed reports, not everyone does this after mining the forum for advice.

Glad you had a great time, although I think you made things difficult for yourself with your "no repeats" policy. The ROI goes up dramatically when you don't incur the work and risks of finding a new pussy every time. But to each his own!

How much was the GIA girl? If you say "same as Montreal" I assume that is $200-$250 per hour? But it sounds like you got a real GFE from her and probably more than one hours time?

[Cruiser D]

Maybe, if there was I'd probably do it. .

There's a great business opportunity for someone who could be a "Mr. Wolf" who can make all the arrangements for a wild party with minimal angst. If anyone knows of a person who does this, please let me know!

[Jojosun]

I don't know who posted this. The quoting is a little messed up.

Girls like that are a dime a dozen in most major cities. You guys need to get out more.

If you are paying more than $300 for a girl like that in NYC you are either too lazy to look or there are other issues. Which of course explains the Rio-GIA-Buddha Bar triangle.

Now we are not talking Pies in the Sky or a Mermaid called Wanda, but the above girls looks in LJ's first post.

[/QUOTE]The quoting about the NYC prices in relation to London's Amelia & Gloria, was made by Liljoey in his first report.

As for NYC, I had a blast at the infamous Plato's Retreat swingers Club, just before it closed.

It only cost me the few dollars entrance fee. That's what I call a freebie.

Another freebie in NYC that I truly remember pulling, was in Tavern on The Green.

Sadly closed as well. But I am still going strong and more than 20+ years older, with a strong preference for P4P with 18/24 Tanned Blondes, don't mind them being Bimbos either.

Call me a Pervert.

[Jojosun]

Why even bother replying when you haven't been there? You are neither experienced in Chisinau or apparently Kiev. What is the sound of one hand clapping? Little Joey as he types a post on ISG.

You talking about Rio endlessly is about as interesting as you doing a cost comparison about the value menu at the McDonalds on Khreshatic, which I'm sure is probably next.

Just so there is no confusion about why the experienced members of the board react the way we do to you posts. Everything about your posts screams, I don't have a clue and apparently you are willing to write very long disjointed essays to that effect.

Please stop, it's extremely tedious. You can take girls out of Rio for sex, some are okay looking. We get it. Stop.

The board didn't jump back to life because you posted your 100th dissertation on Rio. It came roaring back to life because I started posting and some other senior members joined me. People that actually have something to say other than I went to Rio (Buddha Bar, GIA) , my apartment, Arena to eat and then back to the airport.

It stuck in my mind the first time I asked Old UkeBoy about the Meaning of Salons in Kiev, never heard it before. His swift reply (Read Borat 69 reports & do exactly as he says, or do you want us to change your Nappies for you?).

To this I replied (No need to be so Huffy mate, I have my own Baby sitter.).

I mean can't you & Ukeboy adopt the Style of a very good diplomat, when he tells you to Go to Hell, and actually makes you look Forward to It.

Its not what you say sometimes, its the way it is said.

BTW, wasn't lecturing anyone here. Just my thought for the day.

Keep them coming, your Posts.

[Ronaldinjo]

Hi Joey. Planning to fly to Kiev in the beggining of may for 2-3 days. I know the summer is not the best time for Kiev as a lot of hotties travel to the seas, but what about April-may? If there are a lot of students there as you mentioned so they are going to be in study vaccations. Does somebody know when the studies end in Kiev this year? Suppose earlier then last year because of euro 2012. Joey, you have been there last April, did you mention some abcence of hotties in that period of time?

[Jojosun]

Actually little Joey and Hunter Dave got hammered for different but somewhat similar reasons.

Little Joey goes on and on and on about one place in Kiev. The most noobiest of noob places now after the loss of RP.

Hunter Dave went on and on and on about the 7, 8.9s that were dropping all over him from mamba and I think River Palace. He was just painting too rosy of a picture and needed to adjust his scale by two notches. Kind of reminds me of what a first timer to RP who didn't know the place was p4p said, 'wow the girls here are really friendly. ' Really? Really.

Yes you brought back some life into the Kiev thread when you re- appeared again.

And to tell you the truth, I was beginning to think & wonder if liljoey had some kind of a vested interest in Rio Club. I did post that reading between the lines. Made me wonder, especially when I went back to read his First Detailed report (Where have all the River Palace girls Gone?).

Then (The Knight) posted in time with his honest opinion as he saw it, after meeting LJ in the club. Although I never met The Knight, or LJ, I think I can trust The Knight's judgment on LJ/

But with Hunter Dave versus Ukeboy&Bez bezarra, it was more of a banter, than anything else.

And what about posters walking into a Strip Club or a Bar I. And nailing a stunner in record time & For Free.

[Dave Carrera]

(I recall our PM correspondence where you were seeking advice regarding having a batchelor party in Kiev, and I reference my post on this thread of February 23, 2012, concerning my ideas for your batchelor party, see:

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf.=1#post1251303

So, how have your plans progressed for the batchelor party?

I have reported previously on the website you asked about.

www.escort-models.com

I have also seen reports by other members about this agency.

Unfortunately, Goobye Lenin is correct. The photos look and are too good to be true. So don't rely on the photos of this agency to order girls to staff your batchelor party.

However, this does not mean you can't get good looking girls from this agency. It merely means the pictures are fake, and you will have to do some work to reveal what this agency is capable of delivering. I reported my own experience with such websites, where a really extremely skinny spindley blond girl with an ok face showed up in response to my invitation to send one of the website hotties, and I complained to the girl who came and told her that I wanted a girl like the one on the website that I showed her on my laptop. She said she will arrange things with her agency and a pretty girl will come. I did wait a longer time than they said, and the agency was not that reassuring on the phone when I called, so instead I made other arrangements and a girl I had been with before was soon on her way. But then lo and behold a very pretty girl did show up from the agency. So I got it cleared with both girls and had an impromptu 3some. What it means is that you must do the investigative work I wrote to you about and go throught the websites and make dates and send away the girls who don't make the cut, and try out the girls who look good and come up with some girls who make the grade to be invited to the batchelor party, so it will be a good one.

At the time Gentleman Travel wrote some good advice which I will cite to you again.

This is the way to get enough good looking girls for your batchelor party at a reasonably low cost.

I wrote to you about the higher cost option at the strip club which would not involve a lot of preliminary investigative work to find good looking girls, since it reliably has a lot of good looking girls present at the club on any given night, but there the risk is in performance of the girls once you get them home, and therefore even at the strip club it would be best to try out a few of the girls in advance, until you know you have winners to invite to the batchelors party.

Lastly, I wrote to you that an FKK trip would be a blast for a batchelor's party, especially if you haven't been to FKK's before. It will literally knock your socks off, and you may become addicted, as so many on this forum have.

I will be hitting the FKK's later in April. I will be in Berlin's Artemis on the night of April 19, and I will be in Frankfurt for weekend of April 20 to 22 and plan to hit FKK Oase and FKK Palace, two of the best FKK's. If you want to do a preliminary expedition then, I would be glad to show you the ropes.

So where are you along the process of planning your party? Never heard back from you.)

[QUOTE=Ronaldinjo;1259979

Our flights and hotel are now set. We are coming to Kiev for 4 nights mid April, and staying in a suite and 2 regular rooms at the Hyatt. We will do as you have suggested; wish there were a site with verifiable photos as so much to choose from and we are trying to maximize fun and ease.

There's a great business opportunity for someone who could be a "Mr. Wolf" who can make all the arrangements for a wild party with minimal angst. If anyone knows of a person who does this, please let me know!

[Prosal]

Pro, just because there are more fat chicks in the US and Western Europe doesn't change the scale. .

Totally agree. Problem is that most guys are just SO happy to get laid (by something with a hole, even if have to pay for it) that they fool themselves to the point to rank as a 9 a girl who is actually a 6 or a 7.

[Mhansen1]

I went to Kiev some weeks ago, just for the weekend, and it was my first time in Kiev, and I do not speak any Russian at all. I did not have time to read all 634 pages in here, but saw the reports from Rio.

I planned to start out with a massage from Rakuena, but never managed to find the place.

Then I went for Roksolana, which was also very hard to find. I ended up in a womens haridresser salon, with a sign outside, saying "THIS IS NOT ROKSOLANA". Then I tried the alley next to the hairdresser, and ended up in a quit scary entrance hall, and up the stairs. Turned out to be the right place. Had a 90 mins erotic session, including shower, massage (not the best I have had) and 2 handjobs. Not to be repeated, but ok for 700 UAH.

Had dinner on the top of Hyatt hotel, with a great wiew of the churches nearby.

Went to Rio around 10 pm, as it was the most mentioned place in this board. Paid the 100 UAH entrance, and was placed in a chair, where 2 strippers were dancing in front of me.

Had a walk around the club, and saw the other strippers. I never figured out how many girls were actually working there, as girls kept on coming and leaving.

Finally saw a great looking girl, which was a 10 for me, maybe for others as well, but maybe just 1 for some. It is up to you guys.

Had a private dance and finally took her to my hotel for 2400 UAH for 3 hours.

It is the best ever WG experience I have ever had. She did everything exept BBBJ, and we had great sex for nearly 3 hours. Only drawback was her loud screaming, as I was afraid that the neighbours would come and complain.

Unfortunately her English was limited, and I never got her name. Something ending with ana. She was blond with huge natural tits, and a big ass.

I would go back to Kiev, just to see her again.

Finally I would suggest to start a thread just for Kiev strip clubs, then the more experienced mongers can stay in the Kiev thread.

Thanks to everybody for reporting on Rio.