Kyiv

[Jojosun]

Barba,

I agree with everything, except where you write something is better than nothing.

It's like TV, do you like a TV with static and white snow or off? Personally I'd rather throw a brick through it, unless I need a night light.

I've helped out quite a few ISG members while they were in Kiev. I'm not talking about being a wingman. I'm talking about giving them the guided tour and hooking them up with girls.

I've made one good friend out of meeting people from ISG, Irish Lad. I've also met 109, Dr Skank, and another fellow who's ISG name I can't remember (banker something something) who gave as good as they got and would even sometimes enlighten the master. I've met Uke Boy who is a never ending source of information about Ukrainian culture and mindset.

I think Irish Lad used to run a ISG halfway house in Kiev. He's like a beacon for the sad and lonely (and short on funds, what? I have to pay for my drinks? And the drinks of the four ho's I got drinks for too?). .

I'm leaving Kiev Tuesday morning and heading back to the wh=====, slu== and good girls of the US.

CD. Now you are breaking news, by telling us, that you are heading back to the good girls of the us.

Couldn't agree more, old chap. Great girls, so much fun (they beat your moustached girls in Tashkent, LOL. I don't even know how you can kiss uzbek girls?), and if you nail a great looker, who is bi, then its not just company, its a blast of a party.

I am just waiting for the weather to warm up & then I am heading to dc, and josphene club, to hook up with my ac / dc girl in there, and then we will be heading to the pool parties in vegas.

The best place for me 4 fun, depending on when, where & who with.

I don't need to go round there looking at girls with an open mouth, like I do on Kreschatick, waiting to be shilled.

BTW. If you stop in london? I will be at my usual table in a bar in chelsea, then I will put my money, where my mouth is, and treat you to a snakebite & good old fish & chips.

That's right chips. I got to the stage, where I can't bring myself to say "french fries".

Even when I go back to Kiev, I will greet ua girls by bowing to them & getting the girls to do the same. No more french kissing, greeting them the japanese way. Healthier.

Ps. I don't expect anything from you in return & I promise not to grill you about your list of apartments in Kiev, or any phone numbers or referrals to ua girls.

Now how does thing grab you.

Till we meet again, don't know when, don't know where.

So long CD, and tatty bye.

[Muddy7]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjdq9...er_profilepage

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[Jojosun]

for whatever its worth, i thought rather than talking about it, i practice what i preach, by posting some info, which might come in handy for a beginner, who is heading to kiev for the first time to monger.

1 the first obvious thing to do before getting there, is to hit www.mamba.com.ua, or www.flirt.com.ua.

get as many names & phone numbers as possible, and arrange as many meetings, as possible.

bear in mind a lot of them, won't show up.

on the above, its a mixed bag of pros, semi pros, non pros, financially embarrassed students, or just lurkers.

to get the best out of it, lower your expectations, and you won't be disappointed.

2. try to arrange a kind of speed dating the girls that you have lined up, so you don't waste time.

i wouldn't arrange a dinner date for eg, with anyone in particular on the first night.

3. be bold about it, tell them, that you are meeting others as well before making your mind up.

best place for this, would be in a bar, or coffee shop near your place.

the cheapest place would be the lobby of a hotel, then you don't even need to buy a drink. (a cheap charlie date ). and you can always walk out of the many doors in there. hotel ukraine, is perfect for this. right in the centre. they even have a strip club, so no need to go to rio club. but i am sure the club in hotel ukraine will disappoint you.

3. once in kiev, you can use the above sites as well as www.escorts-models/en-ukraine, or www.top-modals.com for outcalls at your place, or incalls at their apartments.

ones who turn up at your place, and not up to your liking, send them away with a taxi fare 50uah, so you stay on their good books, and you ensure a better supply in the future.

many of the girls work for different agencies, and even if they are independent, they do have other profiles & prices.

4 if you do a list of girls working incall in their apartments, or in salons, the best & safest way to do it, is to speed check them all. and the best way to go about it, is to get a taxi driver from an offical taxi company to drive you there & wait for you, whilst you are checking them.

get the addresses of the apartments from the above sources, and phone up a taxi company.

i used this one bocc taxi. kiev www.taxi-kiev.com.ua/taxi-boss.html.

site in english, and they do have english speaking dispatchers.

you tell them where you want to go, and they do a pre quote for you. so you know how much to pay for the driver. even if the taxi is waiting for you, you won't be ripped off, because its showing on the meter as waiting time. and the taxi office will confirm it. the driver can't cheat you.

the fare is low, you can do a lot for almost nothing compared to the west.

5. i don't take taxis hanging around clubs, or outside hotels, or parked on the street. mafia taxi.

6, saunas such as www.rakeuna.com.ua or roksolana-massage. com. ua, are very good & safe.

its good source for a happy ending + much more if you hit with the girl, later on.

best times to go there is on weekends & holidays, when a lot of students are working there.

and if you do nail a student there, the last thing you want to do, get on here and out her, by giving her name, or recealing her i'd.

7 if you are bold enough (just mingle) by meeting girls on your own. which is certainly a good idea, but if you are worried about the lingo& the language barrier. just try to hang out in places among ex-pats and english speaking local girls. such as, the following.

obrien's irish pub 17 mykhaylivska, on the way to roksolana massage. few minutes from independence square. some semi pros frequent the above as well, at much lower prices, which is only reflected in cheaper clothes & make up. they are not posers.

golden gate pub.

arena, bar & coffee shop, restaurant, is a good place to hook up with all sorts of girls, including, pros &semi pros, as well as wanabe hookers.

8 clubs, apart from the usual suspects here for tourists, there are the following as well.

eric's friends club, caribean, arena club. patiba.

when the weather is nice go to idro by the dnipro, but you need some russian, or a russian speaking friend.

live music clubs 44 on khreschatick, as well as docker's abc on the same street.

the obvious clubs albiet at a price, buddha, d'lux, avalon. high price girls.

shooters don't tolerate hookers. guys with dark skin, might not be welcome there, subject to face control at the door.

for any one looking to do the club scene with a a nice female guide at night, & to make sure of entry to the clubs, try this one for some nice looking female guides.

kievmentours. com.

you can pick the girl guide of your choince. you never know? . you might even get her to end up in your bed, like (asian chaos) did with his guide. btw, where is asian chaos.

few years back there was this for speed dating, in kiev. 2play. net. ua.

i don't know if its still going. but its a sure way of speeding things up. .

if you are looking for a good place to take a date to, this one is good, on www.cityguide.com/topic/kiev/page/75.

xata rabata on the other side of the dnipro river. great for seafood, and next to tixiomut strip club. .

and guess wot, on here if you are nostalgic to the good old days of the kiev thread, you will find it, complete with bez .www.cityguide.com/topic/kiev/page/75.

was it better in the old days, or the best is still to come.

now why in the fuck did i post all of the above?

a. half pissed already at my usual table in my local watering hole.

cheers folks including prosal.

[Member #4491]

Barba's silence was short.

Maybe you are right Cruiser. I threw out my TV a long time ago so I can not remember. Thank you for the advice on the profile. After spending some more hours on these sites, it seems that it is not rocket science to weed out the agencies from the real girls. Once really busty (semi fake) blond has sent me a bunch of sexy pictures, while giggling on the cam. Huge tits and a pussy that will suck me in when I dive down to lick her. I am sure she is a first class hoe despite what she writes me, but she is there and for real.

I have attention from some girls that I do not really consider targets in normal cases, even if they are in their lower twenties. Fuckable after 4 gin and tonics, but maybe not in punani heaven. They seem to be normal girls but naturally short of money. My dick says "keep them on the radar as fall back" while my brain says "Barba you know that once you are there you will have much more interesting things to do than the mercy fucks". These girls are often good and grateful in bed, if one can see beyond the fact that they are 5-6 on a scale to 10. And sometimes they have pretty friends, at least in other parts of the world. How do you guys (with some game) go about it? Sort out the semi fuglies directly or consider them a required fall back for days when Ukraine just can not entertain you properly?

I used the help of SpanishMain in Marbella, and a guide saves time. I am always low on time so anyone that wants to guide me to some good apartments and some good clubs (apart from the obvious ones) , are welcome to PM me. Let me know the guide fee so we avoid surprises. Washed out hard core hookers are less interesting than my right hand. I never go above 21-22 in the Philippines and 18-19 is the normality, so there should preferably be a documented history of at least a couple of girls somewhere in the lower twenties if we visit some fine Ukrainian drinking establishment. Who knows, it might even be fun.

B.

[AdultChris69]

Hi guys.

I will be visiting Kiev for the first time starting from 05 April for a couple of days.

Looking back at similar trips it turned out to be better if there is a group of guys going out for hunting together so if anybody is interested to join me for a drink (or two) contact me.

Regards,

Chris

[Cruiser D]

It's a salon and the photos probably aren't real.

Could the girls there be just as good looking as the photos or better. Maybe but probably not.

Finally bough a ticket for April 11. Some days in Kiev and some in Kharkov.

The tedious work of getting some fall back plans has started. Some girls that appears to be normal, and some P4P.

Did any on you meet this (these) girl (girls)? To good to be true?

http://flirt.com.ua/mb694810447/?afolder=dating

She sent this to me some time ago:

"Hello! I live in a center Kiev. I speak in English. Photos my real. There is a beautiful friend. Not salon. A hour s&1079; tands seven hundred griven' it is 90 dollars Ring me +38."

What do you say gents?

Barba.

[Cruiser D]

Barba,

I agree with everything, except where you write something is better than nothing.

It's like TV, do you like a TV with static and white snow or off? Personally I'd rather throw a brick through it, unless I need a night light.

I've helped out quite a few ISG members while they were in Kiev. I'm not talking about being a wingman. I'm talking about giving them the guided tour and hooking them up with girls.

I've made one good friend out of meeting people from ISG, Irish Lad. I've also met 109, Dr Skank, and another fellow who's ISG name I can't remember (banker something something) who gave as good as they got and would even sometimes enlighten the master. I've met Uke Boy who is a never ending source of information about Ukrainian culture and mindset.

I think Irish Lad used to run a ISG halfway house in Kiev. He's like a beacon for the sad and lonely (and short on funds, what? I have to pay for my drinks? And the drinks of the four ho's I got drinks for too?).

I'm leaving Kiev Tuesday morning and heading back to the wh=====, slu== and good girls of the US.

[AColonizer]

It can happens. Sex is something "dirty" for its same nature. Sex is a physical contact between two different bodies and immune systems. In other words, each fucking is a little dying.

For your information, I have sex at the same way of most men, in fact if you see pictures throughout this site, then you seldom see condoms, the difference is I go deeper in description. When I get a result, then I increase my experience and I am very grateful to the "prostitute".

The trouble for everybody here is when men don't understand the difference between a real sex and a doll sex. In the second case, men have to get for a refund.

And sex is much more than a pussy fucking. Sex is a part of nature. Sex is not a sin. Sex is in our blood. Sex is also [CodeWord140] drinking, double fisting, group sex, bondage and anything that excites the libido. And everything is in our blood. For example, when a man begins to fuck also a female asshole, then he likes more the asshole than the pussy.

Hi Acolonizer,

Regarding your post earlier about condom sex, you're right condom sex is like wearing a rubber-coat in a shower although most of time I couldn't feel much difference as it didn't delay or prevent me from cumming. In fact, sometimes if I am really horny and got real hard and if I put on a condom, I could cum as soon as I rolled it over the cockhead.

One time I had BBAS, then did ATM to the girl, put back in her for more BBAS and when I pulled it out, I had some shit around the cockhead.

[Member #4491]

We're all here to share our experiences banging hot girls, let's get back to it.

Looking at this thread and what many actually post instead of what they claim to post, I unfortunately think you are totally wrong. Men are pathetic in their silly competition and attempt to "win". Fortunately there are just as many females as males, and they are just as lazy as men are silly, so at the end of the day we all end up as winners in the eyes of our own small egos; hence the [CodeWord140] fight is eternal.

Many users that are getting close to 1000 posts are getting annoyed at this site. 500-1000 more and many are logging off for good. There is simply no real reward for helping people here. It is mostly air on all of these pages. I shared contacts with perhaps 25 guys over the years, on top of hundreds of posts filled with facts. Some guys got 10-20 names, pictures and numbers to prime teen punani. TWO guys are sharing details in return. TWO!

Climaxnow had an idea of mongers sharing contact data but soon realized it was not a good one and decided to save his precious findings for his own penis. I can not blame him, because there is simply very little reward in sharing anything here. Except from whatever our egos get out of it, and this wears off fast.

Most people weigh the potential loss of anything higher than the potential gain. I think we have all seen how guys desperately try to protected their class a lazy cum bag that everyone KNOW to be first class wh*re that fuck as much as she can for whatever anyone will pay. Pathetic. Until this protectionistic paranoia goes through some ultra fast evolution, we will be stuck in little facts, many opinions and never ending [CodeWord140] fight on ISG.

This thread can, with exceptions of the name of clubs and agencies as well as the eminent Google map for beginners, be summed up to:

- It can pay off to go to bars and regular places that are not frequented by tourists.

- It is better to know Russian but can sometimes work also without.

- To pay less than 100 US for sex is better but in some bars, agencies and clubs one needs to pay more.

- It is easier to score in these bars where you pay more but they might not behave like your girlfriend.

Did I forget anything? Oh, yea.

- If you have made contact with girls prior to your landing via social media, it can be easier to to meet these girls, but since they might also be fake it could be a waste of time.

The rest is just opinions.

I guess this can be condensed even further:

- Try to pay less than 100 USD for sex.

- Nothing beats actual field time since anything can happen, just about anywhere.

Ok enough winding from Barba. I will join the silence. LJ, for what it is worth at least I think it is better that you post SOMETHING than all of us posting NOTHING, so keep your essays coming if they make you happy, and let people block you if they are annoyed. I read many of your posts, and it beats both TV and all the opinions people have here.

Over and out from the Kiev thread.

B

[Horny Monger]

Hi Acolonizer,

Regarding your post earlier about condom sex, you're right condom sex is like wearing a rubber-coat in a shower although most of time I couldn't feel much difference as it didn't delay or prevent me from cumming. In fact, sometimes if I am really horny and got real hard and if I put on a condom, I could cum as soon as I rolled it over the cockhead.

One time I had BBAS, then did ATM to the girl, put back in her for more BBAS and when I pulled it out, I had some shit around the cockhead.

[Jojosun]

I think Bez bailed out after being reprimanded by the Supremo here over an issue with 'political correctness' overtones.

Plus some interminable wrangling with other posters here severely diminished his will to sustain.

Sound familiar, lads?

VG,

I can see where you are coming from. The thing is with Bez, he had a wicked sense of Humor, which was lost on some Posters, or most probably got (Lost In Translation ).

The only issue I had with BEZ at the time, was his constant bashing of River Palace, when in his own words (Never Have, Never WiLL) go to it.

Now a lot of posters are missing its disappearnce.

Political Correctness& Sense of Humor, don't usually go hand in hand.

The best Comedians in the US&UK, and especially in the US, are the ones about Self Depreciation. And there are loads of them. Needless to say the Majority of them ARE?

Even on a Forum like here you need a little bit of Banter & SOH, otherwise its like reading a Clinical Report on getting Laid in Kiev, which can be summerized in Half a Page,

And then what's next.

Most recent example. A new friend gets on here, asking for the best Action with Girls in Kiev, and find a Partner For Life.

He did post, that he is a Student from India, and he is on a Student Visa.

Being a student, would you advise him to go to Buddha Bar, D'Lux, or that (Nasty Club, Called RIO).

I assumed being From India& a student, the best Place for him, would be CARIBIAN Club.

Its a good Place for younger Guys, Students, and its a Place where naturally Tanned Guys feel very much at Ease, and in control.

EE people (Great Majority ok) don't like Spicy Food, or say Indian Food is very True, and I stand corrected on this.

A UA girl would love to be taken to a SUSHI Bar & Restaurant, even if she knows F all about it.

Just to make her look and sound, that she is sophisticated & more Exclusive.

And this will be reflected later on, in the US$$$, she will try to make the Monger part with.

On a good sense of Humor. One of my favourite comedians at the moment, is the Iranian British Comedian, Omid Djalili, who never stops his Jokes about Iran & the Mullahs. & other self depreciation jokes. Yet no one here gives a monkey's wotsit about them.

And his shows in the Uk are normally fully Booked. Omid Djalili Tour Of Duty.

Have you heard this one about the (The Geordie Woman, New Castle, who woke up one morning with a Jamaican Accent?).

Here it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jkxm5UTe-Xg.

Cheers.

[Climaxnow]

Now it's a sad and lamentable joke. This constant bickering is childish, repetitive and utterly BORING.

If why'all can't comprehend that other guys are going to have different values, beliefs and preferences to your own, you have no right to be mixing in public.

You should be thanking each other that we are all benefitting from this shared knowledge of our favourite EE city. I've learned countless things from this thread that have saved me time and money. I don't see much knowledge sharing lately, just sanctimonious "my way is better than your way" nonsense.

We're all here to share our experiences banging hot girls, let's get back to it.

This was the best thread but the River Boat is now gone and guys have to do a lot more leg work and I do not want to trip.

[Cruiser D]

This used to be the best thread on ISG about two plus years ago. If you think the recent postings have been good you have a low threshold for quality.

If I had known my postings would have released a torrent of (even worse) nonsense I wouldn't have bother but it was sad to see what this thread had become.

Now it's a sad and lamentable joke. This constant bickering is childish, repetitive and utterly BORING.

If why'all can't comprehend that other guys are going to have different values, beliefs and preferences to your own, you have no right to be mixing in public.

You should be thanking each other that we are all benefitting from this shared knowledge of our favourite EE city. I've learned countless things from this thread that have saved me time and money. I don't see much knowledge sharing lately, just sanctimonious "my way is better than your way" nonsense.

We're all here to share our experiences banging hot girls, let's get back to it.

[CallSign Papa]

Now it's a sad and lamentable joke. This constant bickering is childish, repetitive and utterly BORING.

If y'all can't comprehend that other guys are going to have different values, beliefs and preferences to your own, you have no right to be mixing in public.

You should be thanking each other that we are all benefitting from this shared knowledge of our favourite EE city. I've learned countless things from this thread that have saved me time and money. I don't see much knowledge sharing lately, just sanctimonious "my way is better than your way" nonsense.

We're all here to share our experiences banging hot girls, let's get back to it.

[Horny Monger]

You did good. Congratulation.

It's quite a feat for a 'newbies in Kiev such as yourself with no language skills can come to this town and instantly find teen hotties to blow them without a condom and take cum in the mouth. '

Cheers

Hey guys, I have an idea. For the past week I have been having sex with a 19 year old hottie which started at $150 an hour and getting cheaper. Today she brought two of her friends to my place and offered them to me at $150 an hour. Older girls with good performance skills. I just emailed my teeny for permission to pass along her email to my forum colleagues Hunter Dave and LJ who I believe are scheduled to be in town this weekend. Now, if these guys follow up my lead and get cheap sex, they will owe me a number to a girl as soon as they find one that is a value. The contact info will only be passed by pm among us. ISG members that post regularly to Kiev forum and provide a contact to cheap sex and becomes verified can join the circle.

If we work together as a team, there should be no problem for members to fly into Kiev and get the same cheap sex as the locals. I understand the going rate is about 100 an hour but it takes work to find it and a lot of time lost. Boy oh boy, there are a lot of these sex bombs that want to drop into a foreigners apartment, f* his brains and just go home. I witnessed today.

What do you guys think? Please share your thoughts.