Good insight.

[LilJoey]

Joey read your own post here.

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...=1#post1264345

Well, I got to Rio and first went to the downstairs bar where Dima was managing things. I sat there for a good while becoming increasingly impatient with seeing average looking girls come on stage one after the other. I called Dima over to ask him what the Hell was going on and am I wasting my time waiting for the rest of the line up down there to appear? I asked him to please go backstage and take a look for me if there were any hot girls due to come onstage, which he did and came back to tell me that he doesn't know what to tell me but nothing spectacular. I did see Elvira a black-haired cute faced girl with a flat muscled stomach, nicely shaped sexy body, whom I had met before. She's possibly a 7. 5, sexy and doable, but nothing spectacular, and nobody I would be excited to go to D'lux nightclub with. Just a sexy girl that was doable if nothing better was on hand, and maybe not worth the $300. But she was the best that I saw in the downstairs bar, and there were too many girls I didn't even want to see dancing, let alone take home, and then I remembered that when I spoke to her when I met her last year, she was not so enthusiastic about oral sex and DATY, so I told her maybe I would come back downstairs for her, but that I was going to go upstairs then for a while. So after two cappuccinos, I became nervous that I'm wasting time down there, so Dima and I agreed that it would probably be better for me to go upstairs. First I sat in the VIP room, but there were only a few hot girls and more than I ever saw in VIP of average girls. I realized that something was seriously amiss this time at Rio, compared to the previous times I had been there, even the fast weekend of February 17. 18, not too long before. I didn't even stay in VIP long enough to finish my Perrier, and after seeing 5 or 6 sets of girls come out onstage who were not hottie material, I picked myself up and went over to Slava to ask what was going on with the line up and were they having staffing problems.

What's your point, Muddy? That post is an accurate description of the problems in the line ups at Rio being experienced this year, as reported by a few other members as well, compared to the very good line ups I had encountered in my trips in 2011. This indicated to me that there were some staffing problems going on.

However, you omit to reprint the remainder of the post, which demonstrates that after seeing a poor line up in the downstairs bar, and then a poor line up in the VIP bar, I then sat in the upstairs bar and saw quite a few hotties. I ended up taking home Anita, a pretty blond with a good body, who I've had my eye on for a long while, but never had been able to take because there had always been even hotter girls present that I wanted. Amira was hotter but had said no to DATY, Leela was busy, so that night (sat nite March 31) I took out Anita. I was very happy with her in the end, because Anita was happy with DATY, provided BBBJ, and had a lovely, sweet personality, providing a GFE experience.

In reporting, you have to be as balanced and honest as possible. Below is the part of my prior post you omitted. I'm really not sure what your point was. We both agree that the Rio line ups currently are not as great as they once were. But there are still hotties there, and you only need one. But just as things changed recently to less hotties than before, they can change back to be more hotties. We'll have to see what the facts are when we go back for a future visit. Hope that amidst all the advertising and recruitment going on for the new club they are opening, Mandarin, that they have a spill over and increase of the number of hotties back at Rio too, so that it gets back to having as many hotties like it did during my trips last year.

What was your point in omitting the part of my earlier post that showed that while the downstairs and VIP bars had poor line ups, the upstairs bar was hopping and had a good number of hotties? My recent point was that you can't assume VIP has the best girls, a point consistent with my earlier post you cited. I'm not getting your question.

Here's what you omitted:

* * * I didn't even stay in VIP long enough to finish my Perrier, and after seeing 5 or 6 sets of girls come out onstage who were not hottie material, I picked myself up and went over to Slava to ask what was going on with the line up and were they having staffing problems? Anyway, I moved to sit in the upstairs inner room bar and finally saw a few hotties at least on an 8 level. So I was happy to. Onto he sitting there until I could choose one. I tried with Amira (beautiful blonde who I would have loved to see on the dance floor at D'lux, a graduate of veterinary medicine, but she was inflexible about no DATY, and it was one pussy that ever since she flashed me with it during the private dance, that I really wanted, mmmmm perfect, but since she said no, I passed on her. I also had a dance with a new girl, Daria, petite cute blond, but nothing spectacular there either. The one spectacular girl I did see was Leela who I have had the hots for a long time, but she was with a local customer and never freed up. Then I saw the very pretty blond Anita on stage and remembered I had told her many times I would take her but it never happened. Well last night it did happen and she was an 8 and turned out to be a perfect GFE and everything I wanted was on the menu. I heard from Slava that the beautiful Lera was in VIP but by time I asked for her to be brought to me she was gone from the club. I asked about Laima a very sexy girl I had met in past but she was at Paradise that night. So I took Anita and was happy I did.

Friday night I picked up Katya from the club as we had made up previously so I didn't stay or check up on line up.

Based on Saturday night's line up, I wouldn't yet conclude anything drastic, but I am mindful of recent reports by others that reported not enough hotties. So I will take a look again on a different night and see what happens.

We're you unlucky? Maybe, because there we're times in past when the line up was chock full of hotties. I told Pasha that they have seriously work on the staffing. I guess we'll have to monitor things and see.

I didn't see the pretty Tanya this time yet. There was a post I did at the end of last year sometime between my trips September to November where I listed by name all the hot girls I had seen there worth looking at. Since things obviously change there over time, you need to see who is there at the actual time of your visit.

LJ

[Muddy7]

Things change, I guess, so I will leave it as a question for the future.

Like I said, it hasn't been the way you described for a year and was not that way even up to April 3, 2012, the date of my last visit to Rio. Most of the girls I liked were not from the VIP room, and I met them in the downstairs or upstairs bar, including Ada, Lera, Sophia, Leela, Anita. The only one of the girls I took out that I met in VIP originally was Katya.

Joey read your own post here.

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...=1#post1264345

Well, I got to Rio and first went to the downstairs bar where Dima was managing things. I sat there for a good while becoming increasingly impatient with seeing average looking girls come on stage one after the other. I called Dima over to ask him what the Hell was going on and am I wasting my time waiting for the rest of the line up down there to appear? I asked him to please go backstage and take a look for me if there were any hot girls due to come onstage, which he did and came back to tell me that he doesn't know what to tell me but nothing spectacular. I did see Elvira a black-haired cute faced girl with a flat muscled stomach, nicely shaped sexy body, whom I had met before. She's possibly a 7. 5, sexy and doable, but nothing spectacular, and nobody I would be excited to go to D'lux nightclub with. Just a sexy girl that was doable if nothing better was on hand, and maybe not worth the $300. But she was the best that I saw in the downstairs bar, and there were too many girls I didn't even want to see dancing, let alone take home, and then I remembered that when I spoke to her when I met her last year, she was not so enthusiastic about oral sex and DATY, so I told her maybe I would come back downstairs for her, but that I was going to go upstairs then for a while. So after two cappuccinos, I became nervous that I'm wasting time down there, so Dima and I agreed that it would probably be better for me to go upstairs. First I sat in the VIP room, but there were only a few hot girls and more than I ever saw in VIP of average girls. I realized that something was seriously amiss this time at Rio, compared to the previous times I had been there, even the fast weekend of February 17. 18, not too long before. I didn't even stay in VIP long enough to finish my Perrier, and after seeing 5 or 6 sets of girls come out onstage who were not hottie material, I picked myself up and went over to Slava to ask what was going on with the line up and were they having staffing problems.

[Muddy7]

All the girls I took home were dancing in the VIP room except Rosa.

Like I wrote it was hard to find a dancer to take home outside the VIP room.

Ada, Lera, Sophia, Leela were all dancing in the VIP.

joey, you keep writing 3 hours for $300, but what do you get from dancers like Lera and Derina? Derina is $500 not $300
They dont do bbbj like most dancers at RIO, they dont even let you do daty if you want to, they probably wont even let you finger them, its probably one hour sex and 2 hours talking?
In your last trip report you took home 5 girls in 4 nights(march 30 to april 3) youre over 40 years old(am i right?) do you really fuck each girl 2 times in 3 hours every night pal??

Things change, I guess, so I will leave it as a question for the future.

Like I said, it hasn't been the way you described for a year and was not that way even up to April 3, 2012, the date of my last visit to Rio. Most of the girls I liked were not from the VIP room, and I met them in the downstairs or upstairs bar, including Ada, Lera, Sophia, Leela, Anita. The only one of the girls I took out that I met in VIP originally was Katya.

There are two possibilities. One is that it is possible that you are observing the results of a cycle of the rotation which just coincidentally has a concentration of hotties in the VIP at the time if your visit. You did write, I recall, that Lera was dancing in VIP when you were there, and I had always seen her and Ada dancing downstairs. If the concentration of hotties in VIP that you observed was simply a result of the rotation, then it was merely a coincidental effect. The club has never maintained a policy of keeping the hottest girls in the VIP in the past. So based on that, I would not expect or rely on that being the case in the future.

Is it also possible that the Rio managers changed the policy of the club with respect to the VIP line up, perhaps as a result from receiving comments / complaints similar to mine when I was there in the beginning of April, and they consciously have made some effort to improve the quality of their VIP line up. If this is the case, it will probably be a lasting effect.

I guess time will tell, and we'll see what happens in the future. I will probably be back in Kiev in September, and will check it out again.

[LilJoey]

Joey, I have been to all the rooms there.

Outside the VIP room its hard to find a good looking dancer to take home

Things change, I guess, so I will leave it as a question for the future.

Like I said, it hasn't been the way you described for a year and was not that way even up to April 3, 2012, the date of my last visit to Rio. Most of the girls I liked were not from the VIP room, and I met them in the downstairs or upstairs bar, including Ada, Lera, Sophia, Leela, Anita. The only one of the girls I took out that I met in VIP originally was Katya.

There are two possibilities. One is that it is possible that you are observing the results of a cycle of the rotation which just coincidentally has a concentration of hotties in the VIP at the time if your visit. You did write, I recall, that Lera was dancing in VIP when you were there, and I had always seen her and Ada dancing downstairs. If the concentration of hotties in VIP that you observed was simply a result of the rotation, then it was merely a coincidental effect. The club has never maintained a policy of keeping the hottest girls in the VIP in the past. So based on that, I would not expect or rely on that being the case in the future.

Is it also possible that the Rio managers changed the policy of the club with respect to the VIP line up, perhaps as a result from receiving comments / complaints similar to mine when I was there in the beginning of April, and they consciously have made some effort to improve the quality of their VIP line up. If this is the case, it will probably be a lasting effect.

I guess time will tell, and we'll see what happens in the future. I will probably be back in Kiev in September, and will check it out again.

[Schuker69]

I agree, I would be careful listening to any member of this board who always speaks out about only one option in Kiev: stripclub, website or other provider. Seems like there is a lot of available o in Kiev and arriving in couple of days I will explore them. PM me guys if you want to meet for a drink.)

Careful listening to me? Ya, I've read a few of your posts and it seems to me you are in the clueless department- even store front! U may have trouble even navigating the many choices on mamba! Also- where do I say one option? Stripclub? I mentioned I went to Rio forat2 hours and left, not impressed but maybe off nite, so this is an option? Not for me. Website? TG / mamba which = 2, then other provider? Simple enuf to see I mention a few options I personally experienced in recent 10 winter weeks in Kiev. TG, semi pros / non pros on mamba, bars, street, and malls. Badoos works too! U know dude. If a senior member on here happens to, for whatever reason- doubt a newbies post for reasons of his own, which I find hilarious because how they know the action there. Does not mean you have to be gutless and leave some sheep-like respond because you can't think for yourself. Why do I get the feeling you have a hard time approaching women in a bar to chat and dance? Good luck in Kiev Red-dick, you need it!

[LilJoey]

The good thing about RIO is that you see the girls body and you can see her pussy (private dance) before you take her home, not all pussies look nice and pretty.

* * * its very hard to find a good looking dancer to take home outside the VIP room, and some of the girls in the VIP room won't go home with you,

Most of the hot girls I have taken out of Rio over the past year 2011 and including up until my last visit of April 2012 have not been from the VIP room there, but rather from the downstairs bar or the upstairs bar. The VIP room has never been seen by me to have a consistently better line up than the other rooms. This has been noticed by more than one ISG member, causing us to muse in prior reports on this thread as to what is special about the VIP room at Rio to give it that title of "VIP", since it was decidedly NOT the quality of the girls in the VIP. It seemed that it was simply the more comfortable seating and couches in the VIP lounge and the mere exclusivity of its accessibility that differentiated it from the other rooms at Rio. I once thought I detected a similarity in the type of girls I saw in the VIP of very petite, young, newer types of girls, but this held true only for a time. I spoke to the managers about it, saying in the rest of the world a VIP room would be assumed to have the better girls but that was obviously not the strategy at Rio. The managers I spoke to acknowledged that that was the case. At one time it was my impression that the best looking girls were more to be found in the downstairs room, and the managers were directing the regulars to the downstairs bar, and newer customers to the upstairs room. It's hard to say if this has continued to hold true either. The fact is that girls switch around and rotate through the different rooms, sometimes they would be dancing downstairs, sometimes upstairs and sometimes in VIP, and sometimes at the sister club Paradise located 30 minutes out from downtown.

Therefore, this idea which runs consistently through reports filed by Muddy, that VIP room has the prettier girls at Rio, is a misconception. It makes me doubt whether he has really been in all the rooms at Rio adequately to assess the different line ups, or his observational powers. The fact is that one needs to check out all three line ups to see if there are some top level hotties present. One cannot simply go, or try to go, to the VIP room and bank on the idea that the best looking girls will be there. It's simply not so. The best strategy is to start early, and check out each line up, and if you think that a particular line up is lame, as one after the other of average girls appears on stage, don't just continue to sit there and waste time, but rather ask the manager if you can switch to the other room to see who's there. Do not assume VIP has best line up. It is a misconception.

I do agree that there are many average girls or slightly above average girls dancing at the Rio club. On this Muddy, and others are correct. No one should spend $300 on such girls because such average looking girls are widely available on mamba. Ru or top-modals. Com or other websites at $75 / hr or even $50 / hr. So it's ridiculous to take average looking girls out from Rio at a prive of $300 even for 3 hours.

However, there are also a significant percentage of very nice looking girls at Rio too. And that is the entire point of going to the club. To get one if the beauties, if you can. They are not in the club in unlimited supply, but there are a sufficient number of them to make it worthwhile. There is competition from other customers. Some beauties are new girls, and are dancer only. But if you can get to one of the hotties, and she checks out in all your requirements, and she likes you and agrees to come home with you, you are in for a treat, although it's going to cost you $300/3hrs for take out. But in all my trips to Kiev, the Rio club has replaced the River Palace for me, as the location for the least expensive easy and sure thing, in getting a very hot young Ukrainian girl into my bed for the night.

However, now that some reliable veteran members of ISG are reporting lower prices of $200 or less for very hot girls in the nightclubs, instead of the prices of $400 and $500 that were being reported as nightclub prices previously, it would be highly recommended to spend some significant time searching for your hottie of the night at one of the popular nightclubs to see if you can score something good at $200 or less, and to look at places like Rio, or the new Mandarin scheduled to reopen soon, as a backup in case you are not successful at the regular nightclubs, sort of like it used to be with River Palace when it used to be around.

And who knows, if you schedule a lot of daytime mamba. Ru girl meetings, as recommended, you may hook into the very hot young girls you are looking for, even before you hit the nightclubs at night, at much lower price to boot.

It's all good. Several different methods available to seek out very pretty young girls. What more could an older guy ask for in a mongering destination?

LE concerns have previously been a concern for our hobby. Girl apartments are vulnerable since they are known stationary targets. Best to invite dates to your apartment. It cannot be emphasized enough how important it is to carry your actual passport on your person in going about Kiev. Also, out of concern for being stopped by police when trying to enter your apartment with a girl, it would be a good idea to make sure any girl you wish to bring to your apartment (especially in Maidan area) has her identity documents with her, and that you should know at least her real first name (you can always say to a policeman that you forgot her last name) , and you should have some agreed upon story of how you know each other and are friends or acquaintances from previously. The police say that they are concerned for the protection of tourists from unscrupulous girls who rob them, so it is not good to take girls you don't know into your apartment. So being able to satisfy the police that you do know each other from before and trust them, along with some Grivna has always worked in the past, if one got stopped. The clubs like Rio, know how to recognize the presence of LE in the club, and will likely slow things down or not permit take out during such a visitation, but will resume when all's clear.

LJ

[Muddy7]

And, guys, even though LJ still has wet dreams about his time at Rio and for him the girls are all 9s and 10s, YMM Wildly V, as the per reports from Muddy7 (report 9961) and others. Be prepared for the reality of "average" "nice" and possible disappointment.

You know, when I went to RIO I see many guys over 50, bald, fat, some with eyeglasses dirty blue jeans and t-shirts. To them probably every girl is a 10, so it all depends.

The good thing about RIO is that you see the girls body and you can see her pussy (private dance) before you take her home, not all pussies look nice and pretty

I don't mind visiting RIO if I just happen to be Kiev for business or whatever but I will never travel to Kiev just for RIO, most girls are just average or below average, its very hard to find a good looking dancer to take home outside the VIP room, and some of the girls in the VIP room won't go home with you, they are just dancers.

Do you guys know a good site for uploading videos? I can upload a video of a dancer masturbating on my sofa while I was in the shower

If you you have a weak personality the dancers will not stay with you for 3 hours, they will come to your flat , will give you a covered bj and have sex and then waste time talking to you and so on they are very good in killing time, you have to make it clear to them its for 3 hours, there was a dancer who was giving me a bj and a hand job like we have only 15 minutes, I had to slow her down and tell her I dont want a handjob and remind her we have 3 hours not 15 minutes

[Kirch]

Kirch, did Sergey say the name of the club to be opened on May 8? Is it "Mandarin"? Or another name. When I was in Rio at the beginning of April, Slava told me the Mandarin club will reopen by the end of April. Most likely, you are referring to this same club, but I just want to confirm. The old Mandarin club, was operated by the same people who operated Rio, and was also on a boat on the river and it had a floor show with singers and dancers that was pretty good, in addition to having strippers in between sets (some of whom were available for take out). Is the New club to be opened May 8 going to have the same style as the old Mandarin club with burlesque shows? If you go, please report on the details.

Yes, of course Rio is still good! I had some awesome girls from there during my visit March 29 to April 3. Enjoy!

LJ

I had quite some drinks yesterday and just woke up but I think to remember the name is Mandarin and one of the girls told me she doesn't want to dance there because the have singers? Sorry, that's all I got.

[LilJoey]

And, guys, even though LJ still has wet dreams about his time at Rio and for him the girls are all 9s and 10s, YMM Wildly V, as the per reports from Muddy7 (report 9961) and others. Be prepared for the reality of "average" "nice" and possible disappointment.

Uke Boy, why mislead newbies and dismiss my assessments so cavalierly by misquoting me. Any fair reading of my reports would show that my wet dreams are reserved for only the very hottest upper echelon of the girls at the club. My reports always acknowledged the presence of average looking girls at the Rio club. These are the girls that I ignore. I am searching for the gems, and I took pains to identify the girls who are above average in looks. Muddy's assessments are basically a point or so lower than my own (basically he opines a 7 or 7. 5 where I have felt the girl an 8 or an 8. 5. So we're not that far apart). Look rather into assessments in earlier reports by other members which are more in line with my own, and closer to what most men's opinions would be.

Better yet, since you are there in Kiev, Uke Boy, perhaps go into the club and meet Leela or Vladislava, and tell us your own opinion. All of my friends who have seen my photos and video clips of these two girls have uniformly come away with jaws-dropped appreciation for their beauty and hotness (sorry guys but due to promises made, I cannot post them on the Internet). I believe that no man who would have the opportunity for GFE sex with these girls (leela or vladislava, or both together) or with Sophia, or Katya, or Ada would come away disappointed. Here is the link to my trip report concerning them:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=1267578#post1267578

By the way the good news for those who find my reports useful, is the news regarding services. This trip I finally broke through the barrier with Katya on her previous policy of requiring protection for DATY or BJ, and this trip she let me taste her delights and returned the favor. I guess it's a factor of trust with her and how well you know her. But it's no longer an iron clad rule, so YMMV with Katya, a lovely, very shapely hottie with gorgeous long shiny brown hair and a cute face as well as ass. Likewise, I succeeded in getting BBBJ from Sophia this trip, but it took an offer of more money. Sophia always enjoyed DATY. Ada too always provided a BBBJ and enjoyed DATY (although not in front of another girl who didn't). Ada has a very hot body and a cute face. Leela too provided BBBJ to me and thoroughly enjoyed DATY. I have posted my concerns about the very pretty Lera in previous reports (no DATY yet, but she does do a covered BJ). Lera has a very pretty, cute face, a hot body which one can enjoy as she dances. I liked her sexy flat stomach and the curves of her hips, her sizzling lines as she danced, much more than her ass (which Muddy seems to like) which I found a little plump. So I can see that Muddy looks at different things than I do. Likewise with a girl like Darina, who, while I agree she is not worth $500/3 hrs, yet I feel that she is a very sexy and pretty girl. She has the type of face that men can react differently to. I found her attractive. Muddy didn't like her face. So YMMV. Her performance in bed is very good, with all the trimmings. But again most guys will not pop for the $500. For those that might like her, perhaps the best strategy is to get her early in the evening for the whole night and try to negotiate to hold her at her price of $500, which for all night, would not be much worse a price than the other Rio girls.

On the other hand if you are one of those guys who can get girls out of nightclubs who look as good as girls like Leela etc. And for prices lower than $200, then despite how good these girls look, it isn't worth it, since you can get the same for a lower price of $200 in a nightclub.

But if you are not able to be successful in the nightclubs to get girls who look as good as Leela or even as good as Sophia, for $200 or less, or you don't have the time, or you don't want to take the time, to chase pussy all night in a nightclub and you want instant results, and you are prepared to pay a little more to make sure you have a hottie in your bed THAT night in Kiev, then you may want to consider some of these girls dancing at Rio, or The new Mandarin club, or for a little more money, the hotties at Dolls, etc

[Uke Boy]

Kirch, did Sergey say the name of the club to be opened on May 8? Is it "Mandarin"? Or another name. When I was in Rio at the beginning of April, Slava told me the Mandarin club will reopen by the end of April. Most likely, you are referring to this same club, but I just want to confirm. The old Mandarin club, was operated by the same people who operated Rio, and was also on a boat on the river and it had a floor show with singers and dancers that was pretty good, in addition to having strippers in between sets (some of whom were available for take out). Is the New club to be opened May 8 going to have the same style as the old Mandarin club with burlesque shows? If you go, please report on the details.

Yes, of course Rio is still good! I had some awesome girls from there during my visit March 29 to April 3. Enjoy!

LJ

In Metro wagons, there are lots of adverts from Rio for dancers (with ballet skills!) , barmaids, hostesses and the like. So something is up. It does appear at first glance to be a Mandarin-type floor show/stripping set-up.

Will this new club be another River Palace? I doubt it, at least not right away. Anything that will be obvious sex tourism or overt prostitution, especially during the Euro games will no doubt be swiftly dealt with by the authorities. They are already well aware and very unhappy about the sex business issue for Kiev and Ukraine in news reports. Don't forget that River Palace was raided by the police during the latter stage of its existence.

For the new club, a discreet take-out business is the likely scenario. After the sometimes harsh sex business spotlight of Euro-2012 is well off, then things may change.

And, guys, even though LJ still has wet dreams about his time at Rio and for him the girls are all 9s and 10s, YMM Wildly V, as the per reports from Muddy7 (report 9961) and others. Be prepared for the reality of "average" "nice" and possible disappointment.

[LilJoey]

Great news from Sergey at Rio. He told me they open a strip club boat on May 8 in Podol. He invited me for the opening night on May 8. He said they will have tons of new girls there. Sounds great and it looks like I have to come back in one week.

Rio is still good! Three nights there and every time lucky with beuatiful girls. Our apartment is right above Rio and the girls like it. All of our girls stay longer then 3 hours, actualy until 8:00 or 9:00 am in the morning. We always pick up 2 girls for me and my buddy and then start to talk, drink and listen to music. So they feel confortable and stay longer because we don't push them for anything. So having them for 6-8 hours here for 2. 400 Griwna each is a great deal!

I love Kiev!

Kirch, did Sergey say the name of the club to be opened on May 8? Is it "Mandarin"? Or another name. When I was in Rio at the beginning of April, Slava told me the Mandarin club will reopen by the end of April. Most likely, you are referring to this same club, but I just want to confirm. The old Mandarin club, was operated by the same people who operated Rio, and was also on a boat on the river and it had a floor show with singers and dancers that was pretty good, in addition to having strippers in between sets (some of whom were available for take out). Is the New club to be opened May 8 going to have the same style as the old Mandarin club with burlesque shows? If you go, please report on the details.

Yes, of course Rio is still good! I had some awesome girls from there during my visit March 29 to April 3. Enjoy!

LJ

[Kirch]

Great news from Sergey at Rio. He told me they open a strip club boat on May 8 in Podol. He invited me for the opening night on May 8. He said they will have tons of new girls there. Sounds great and it looks like I have to come back in one week.

Rio is still good! Three nights there and every time lucky with beuatiful girls. Our apartment is right above Rio and the girls like it. All of our girls stay longer then 3 hours, actualy until 8:00 or 9:00 am in the morning. We always pick up 2 girls for me and my buddy and then start to talk, drink and listen to music. So they feel confortable and stay longer because we don't push them for anything. So having them for 6-8 hours here for 2. 400 Griwna each is a great deal!

I love Kiev!

[LilJoey]

In regards to freebies, I would recommend to forget the canned crap about "game and a little cash". The reality is more like "tons of time and piles of dough". Its all about you presenting yourself as a secure man and your ability to cross paths with needy girls.

A valid assessment of what the ISG member of 45+ can expect, barring that member possessing unusually good looks or game with women.

As for p4p, those aiming to try to score with very hot girls but for $100 / hr or less may follow several paths:

(a) what I will call the "Hunter Dave" model (although he's not the only one pursuing this method, it was he who convinced me that one could get very good results with this over time, judging by photos he showed me when we traded war stories) and do a lot of pre-trip homework to get contacts and schedule as many meetings as possible each day at various downtown coffee shops or bars with non-pros or semi-pros contacts from mamba. Ru and run from one meeting to the next, weeding out those who don't merit further investigation, from those you want to see again, with the goal of ultimately getting them to your apartment on some pretext and charming them into your bed, for little or no money.

(b) what I will call the "Cruiser D" method of hitting the nightclubs (other than Buddha Bar) to pick up working girls (WG's) for $200 or less, as used to be possible at RP (again not because he is the only one to advocate this method, but because he is the one veteran Kiev monger who most convinced me recently (along with Me and You's recent corroborating report), that it was possible to get very hot (8 and above) girls from the nightclubs in Kiev for $200 or less, which displaced my previous opinion that was based on a lot of the reports on this thread and some personal experience, that the nightclub rates for a very hot 8+ girl was $500 or $400/2 hours, or at best $300/2hours).

(c) if you try methods (a) and (b) and don't get good enough results to satisfy your goals for your Kiev trip, (look, even the veterans tell you YMMV and there's no guarantees) , or if you feel you do not have sufficient time or game or Russian language skills to get good enough results using those first two methods, or you are just plain lazy and don't want to work that hard, then you will need to pay a little more to get to very hot girls, in strip clubs like Rio ($100 / hr but 3 hour minimum) or, for slightly higher rates, you can try Dolls ($300/2hours which is $150 / hr net rate) or use Gia escort service if you find any of their girls personally appealing.

(d) you can also use mamba and other websites using fake pics to find p4p girls looking for a sponsor or advertising sex for money and invite them to your apartment, sending away the piglets until something nice looking enough shows up, at low rates of $75 / hr or $100 / hr. Usually, with enough persistence you will get a girl that is doable this way, and there are claims by guys on this thread to have gotten very hot 8+ girls this way, although it has not happened to me personally, and the best I ever got this way was a 6 or 7 level girl, slender, sexy and doable, but not a high level beauty comparable to the dancers at Rio strip club, or hotties I have seen in the nightclubs.

(e) you can also go to one of the many girl apartments around downtown. They can be found by asking taxi drivers. Another way is to walk around downtown on Kreshchatyk and wait for a shill to approach you. Some of these apartments are behind the ads with many girls on top-modals. Com, and some are advertising on mamba. Ru too and respond with rates info like agencies.

(f) there are also body massage happy ending salons in Kiev to be enjoyed by those satisfied by something short of full service.

I differ from a recent poster who said it is crazy to come across the ocean to Kiev! I say just the opposite, it is crazy not to come to Kiev from the USA, and certainly from the UK. Kiev today is one of the best mongering locations in terms of lower prices as well as the stunning good looks of the available girls as well as the culture which makes acceptable the unions between young girls and guys of middle age, as are most ISG members. I have cranked the numbers and set them forth in a prior post (#9861 on April 16 2012) so no need to repeat here, but the travel costs from USA to Kiev do not change the truth of the foregoing opinion. Even with the travel costs from USA to Kiev considered, Kiev remains less expensive than mongering on a similar level at home (you can have a top level beauty for all night in Kiev for the cost of one hour with such a girl in USA) , and Kiev is the best mongering destination I have experienced, exceeding even the potential and possibilities and low prices that exist in the FKK's. So an adventurous USA monger should definitely consider Kiev as a preferred destination IMHO.

LJ

[Ronaldinjo]

FINAL RIO REPORT.

If you happen to be in Kiev and you are looking for p4p then its a good place to checkout.

But its crazy to get on a long flight and travel to Kiev just for RIO.

Girls I took home:

Isabella- red hair, nice body and tits and nice attitude but I won't repeat.

Bella- Blond, I won't repeat, may post a video of her masturbating on my sofa while I was in the shower, LOL.

Katya- dark hair, nice body, didn't like her attitude that much, definitely won't repeat.

Ada- dark hair, nice body, nice attitude but won't repeat.

Sophia- blonde, nice body, great tits, saw her 2 times.

Almost all the girls I mentioned above don't do BBBJ, you can try offering them more money.

Rosa- very average body, dark hair, very pretty face but won't repeat.

Lera, blond, didn't think she was attractive enough to take home for $300.

Derina- $500 girl, nice body but small tits, not pretty, she is definitely not worth it for $500 especially since she does not do BBBJ.

There were some girl I really wanted to take home but they don't go out with men they meet in the club like Zlatta, Leya, Katrin, Margarita (?)

So when you read in some posts there are 150 girls working there don't think all 150 are hookers.

Overall I was disappointed, didn't think there were that many pretty girls there but if I happen to be in Kiev and I have free time and looking for p4p I will go there again.

I think if you find a girl outside VIP room she may give you a better time than the VIP girls often mentioned in LilJoey posts

Dear Muddy, your comments are very usefull indeed, thank you. I'm travveling to Kiev next week and would like to know which girl you took home allowed DATY? And who was best girl you took home? Sofia? Did she allowed DATY? Thank you and wait for my report after may of 12, when I'm back from Kiev.

[Climaxnow]

FINAL RIO REPORT.

If you happen to be in Kiev and you are looking for p4p then its a good place to checkout.

But its crazy to get on a long flight and travel to Kiev just for RIO.

The entire p4p Kiev market is basically not worth traveling over seas. However, I plan many trips to Kiev to tap the free scene, the really expensive stuff.