Kyiv

[Member #4491]

So much space here after adding LJ to my ignore list. Lovely. Never used the ignore list before in all those years but I can recommend it if you come across someone you find really pointless.

AColonizer, I will come over in July and the ones I have quotations from ranged from 80-200 USD, with no correlation to looks or age. I found them on Mabma and believe it or not, they conformed that they are real and we have exchanged messaged on Mamba and / or Skype.

B.

[Member #4491]

LJ, I read the first three lines and had to stop. It is only you who don't understand. I will just come and hold your hand instead, LJ. I will help you to type even.

You are the first to make it onto my block list ever here on ISG. Not because you are pathetic but because you are meaningless.

I will not see your responses but I am sure they will be lengthy and verbose, aiming at defending your manhood for your fantasy mates here at ISG. Don't forget to mention RIO at least once a day here.

Barba

[AColonizer]

Hi,

Now we are in the Euro Cup 2012 season, which are girl prices in comparison of four months ago? Which kind of girls are available?

[LilJoey]

and now you call me a liar lj, just because you do not know how to handle dating sites and social sites. you have serious problems, man. must the girls be paid for you to dare to communicate? it sounds like you live in the 80s when computers where yet a mysterious novelty. pull your head out of your fixation and look around on isg and you will see that i am not alone in meeting hot girls in sited like mamba, tagged, vk, dia, fb, etc. your view on mamba is pure fantasy.

the concept is not so different from what you describe with speed dating, just that you start preparing your trip a couple of weeks before you land. just do the same shit you do in real life. talk to the woman! response patterns will be homogeneous and stochastic if you are talking to software or someone maintaining several profiles. you will know if it is a real female in just two-three message exchanges. i apply a 60-80% rule on all pictures i see in life. a hotel is normally 60-80% of what you see on agoda. same with women. and then sometimes you get positively surprised and find someone that is 120. i gave indicators of how to do it in my previous post and for anyone that really wanted to learn, it is all here on the board in my posts and other mongers posts. read it again and try to understand what it is about. it is not rocket science. spend some time socializing and you will soon realize that the act of finding real and hot girls on any social site can be described in four steps, where i recommend the three first if you want to limit your rate of failures. the first three steps will not take you more than 15-30 minutes normally and you can do it when you should work.

1. introduction: make your introduction message honest, serious and entertaining. adapt the introduction to what you hope for with the girl. if she shows her vagina in the pictures you maybe can skip the part about wanting a friendly and fun girl to hang out with.

2. initial communication: this is normally when you can determine what direction you are going. is it a saloon / brothel, a hard core pro, a semi-pro or a girlfriend? if it is a saloon you just save the number with a note. if it is a hard core pro i always ask her if the pictures are real in a way that invites her to disclose the truth (i for example lie and tell her it does not matter because i just want a massage and a hand job). if it is a semi pro or a girlfriend, we move on to the sniffing phase.

3. sniffing phase: this was described by the first class monger kongking once and can be summarized as the part when dogs sniff each-others ass. you joke around and check how the girl responds. do not push her, but lead her and be careful to back off. do not write "can i see your tits" and start to jerk off. this phase is to get to know her and to make her acquainted and comfortable with you. if you use cam you make sure you are well dressed and smile a lot. girls like to be entertained. smile, chat, talk, joke, be naughty, back off, be serious. any joke about sex should be made with panning and consideration. if you get fed up with the smiling, close the cam and whip out your dick after she stopped looking at you.

4. mating phase: it is often overkill to take things into this phase already before you met, but if you are into cam sex it is the way to go. i will not mention numbers but have had many girls undressing and even masturbated in cam for me until the orgasmed. if you reach this phase, you pretty much know what to expect when you meet. in this phase you can test her limits. if i for example want to fuck a girl without condom i am normally attracted to her beyond the first level and to what i call genetic attraction. the level where you just feel in your body that you want to pump her full of sperm and make her pregnant. if this is the case, i will tell her about my attraction and then joke with the girl in a half serious and half humoristic way that i want to make her pregnant. her response will be conservative because she is a woman, but the seed is there and you leave it for some other chat. last girl i fucked in ukraine moaned "i want you to cum in me now" when i fucked her doggy. this after declaring numerous times that condoms is a must both to prevent std and unwanted pregnancy. after i came i naturally got back to my rational self and we went out to buy emergency pills. next day i pumped her full with sperm again and she kissed me and pushed her vagina against my pumping t-rex. she knows i am married but still is a slave to her desire to reproduce.

lj, for me you come across as yet another guy who needs to win a stupid [CodeWord140] fight here. when i read what you write it strikes me that you most likely do not give a sh*t about learning anything, as you claim to. your so called help to newbies often amounts to directing them to rio. what if i am right? what if i do meet tier one girls on these sites? all these failures in previous reports has nothing to do with the validity of what i write. you are smart enough to know that such argumentation is just stupid and to low even to argue your case here on isg. when did you ever post a picture on this site? look at my history and then evaluate if i am a bull shit artist or if i know what i am talking about. what you do in your long rants is just low life argumentation techniques that you hide behind your fancy formulations. even if 100 isg mongers are chatting with chat robots on vk, there can still be one guy that understands how things work. i used to like reading your detailed reports but lost respect for you lj. keep going to rio if you love it so much. that is where you belong when you stick your head up your ass and refuse to see the world in any other perspective than the one you cling to.

i made my point and if anyone need further directives on how to chat with females, you are welcome to pm me.

b.

barba, this is a very poor attempt at laying out a methodology to guide others on how to approach using the mamba. ru website to succeed in getting only pretty girls to come to your apartment or meet you, as you claim to be able to do, as you wrote in your previous post that you never had an ugly or fat girl show up from mamba. ru. there is very little detail, or dialogue examples to illustrate what you say should be done. try fleshing it out more. in its current form it is basically useless. inviting pm's for further instructions is the lazy man's way out. there isn't any reason you should be afraid to write something with more substance on the topic of using mamba. ru to successfully get only hotties, like you claim you can do.

let's see, there are many, many prior reports on this thread from all sorts of mongers reporting getting very unattractive plain girls showing up at their doorstep from mamba. ru, which were written over the past year, and i'm sure going further back in time as well. almost all who report on using mamba, disclose how the pictures were mostly fake and lots of unappealing girls showed up from mamba. and that after a number of tries, they eventually got lucky and a girl that was presentable or even somewhat hot showed up. that's the reported experience on this thread. then there is you, barba, who claims to have never gotten an ugly girl or unappealing girl from mamba. you claim that you have a system that succeeds in helping you avoid the fake pictures and get only the true beauties. i didn't call you a liar in my last post. i asked you to put up or shut up. there's a difference. i invited you to rise to the occasion.

you chose instead to write back to me in an antagonistic fashion replete with personal attacks. you further falsified my writings by claiming that all i write is to direct newbies to rio. here you are a liar. i challenge you to actually read my posts and show me where i have done anything of the sort. it's a blatant lie. all my reports are designed to present the options available in kiev in a realistic light, and to expose their pros and cons honestly. that is why when i make a recommendation to use mamba. ru, (and i constantly make that recommendation in almost all my posts mentioning the options in kiev) , i also include the cautionary note about many pictures being fake, and it requiring a lot of persistence and time to get lucky and have a pretty girl show up from that website. it is you who are presenting a distorted picture of mamba. ru to newbies when you write that you only got good looking girls, while failing to adequately disclose and describe the method they must follow to reproduce such uncommon results.

i'm simply not going to respond to your attempts to be insulting. what's the point? that's your style, not mine. but i will call you out when you bullshit and don't produce a useful description of the method you claim will give success in using mamba. ru, a very important matter, and you suffice instead with a few poorly thought out platitudes with no helpful description or examples that could give others any guidance. you're intelligent enough to know how to write something real. i invite you to try again and improve on your first effort. you don't need to embellish more on the last part of your t-rex spewing sperm into your moaning devushka. i think you covered that ground adequately. i'm talking about your points 1-3. you gloss over the beginning points. why? this is the most crucial part. remember, the problems most mongers are having is in weeding out fake picture girls. most girls refuse to send additional pics when requested. is your advice to simply skip those girls, or something else? are you looking.

for profiles of girls who have "looking for sponsor" or "offer sex for money" listed in their profiles, or are you avoiding all such girls. there are many more questions that arise in using mamba. ru. if you are going to produce something usefull, you need to think about what issues and questions a newbie will encounter and have in using mamba and give your insights and guidance on each point. i am open minded about reading anything further you may choose to write on the topic, which will be helpful.

there's no need to be toxic. we're on the same side.

lj

[Member #4491]

and now you call me a liar lj, just because you do not know how to handle dating sites and social sites. you have serious problems, man. must the girls be paid for you to dare to communicate? it sounds like you live in the 80s when computers where yet a mysterious novelty. pull your head out of your fixation and look around on isg and you will see that i am not alone in meeting hot girls in sited like mamba, tagged, vk, dia, fb, etc. your view on mamba is pure fantasy.

the concept is not so different from what you describe with speed dating, just that you start preparing your trip a couple of weeks before you land. just do the same shit you do in real life. talk to the woman! response patterns will be homogeneous and stochastic if you are talking to software or someone maintaining several profiles. you will know if it is a real female in just two-three message exchanges. i apply a 60-80% rule on all pictures i see in life. a hotel is normally 60-80% of what you see on agoda. same with women. and then sometimes you get positively surprised and find someone that is 120. i gave indicators of how to do it in my previous post and for anyone that really wanted to learn, it is all here on the board in my posts and other mongers posts. read it again and try to understand what it is about. it is not rocket science. spend some time socializing and you will soon realize that the act of finding real and hot girls on any social site can be described in four steps, where i recommend the three first if you want to limit your rate of failures. the first three steps will not take you more than 15-30 minutes normally and you can do it when you should work.

1. introduction: make your introduction message honest, serious and entertaining. adapt the introduction to what you hope for with the girl. if she shows her vagina in the pictures you maybe can skip the part about wanting a friendly and fun girl to hang out with.

2. initial communication: this is normally when you can determine what direction you are going. is it a saloon / brothel, a hard core pro, a semi-pro or a girlfriend? if it is a saloon you just save the number with a note. if it is a hard core pro i always ask her if the pictures are real in a way that invites her to disclose the truth (i for example lie and tell her it does not matter because i just want a massage and a hand job). if it is a semi pro or a girlfriend, we move on to the sniffing phase.

3. sniffing phase: this was described by the first class monger kongking once and can be summarized as the part when dogs sniff each-others ass. you joke around and check how the girl responds. do not push her, but lead her and be careful to back off. do not write "can i see your tits" and start to jerk off. this phase is to get to know her and to make her acquainted and comfortable with you. if you use cam you make sure you are well dressed and smile a lot. girls like to be entertained. smile, chat, talk, joke, be naughty, back off, be serious. any joke about sex should be made with panning and consideration. if you get fed up with the smiling, close the cam and whip out your dick after she stopped looking at you.

4. mating phase: it is often overkill to take things into this phase already before you met, but if you are into cam sex it is the way to go. i will not mention numbers but have had many girls undressing and even masturbated in cam for me until the orgasmed. if you reach this phase, you pretty much know what to expect when you meet. in this phase you can test her limits. if i for example want to fuck a girl without condom i am normally attracted to her beyond the first level and to what i call genetic attraction. the level where you just feel in your body that you want to pump her full of sperm and make her pregnant. if this is the case, i will tell her about my attraction and then joke with the girl in a half serious and half humoristic way that i want to make her pregnant. her response will be conservative because she is a woman, but the seed is there and you leave it for some other chat. last girl i fucked in ukraine moaned "i want you to cum in me now" when i fucked her doggy. this after declaring numerous times that condoms is a must both to prevent std and unwanted pregnancy. after i came i naturally got back to my rational self and we went out to buy emergency pills. next day i pumped her full with sperm again and she kissed me and pushed her vagina against my pumping t-rex. she knows i am married but still is a slave to her desire to reproduce.

lj, for me you come across as yet another guy who needs to win a stupid [CodeWord140] fight here. when i read what you write it strikes me that you most likely do not give a sh*t about learning anything, as you claim to. your so called help to newbies often amounts to directing them to rio. what if i am right? what if i do meet tier one girls on these sites? all these failures in previous reports has nothing to do with the validity of what i write. you are smart enough to know that such argumentation is just stupid and to low even to argue your case here on isg. when did you ever post a picture on this site? look at my history and then evaluate if i am a bull shit artist or if i know what i am talking about. what you do in your long rants is just low life argumentation techniques that you hide behind your fancy formulations. even if 100 isg mongers are chatting with chat robots on vk, there can still be one guy that understands how things work. i used to like reading your detailed reports but lost respect for you lj. keep going to rio if you love it so much. that is where you belong when you stick your head up your ass and refuse to see the world in any other perspective than the one you cling to.

i made my point and if anyone need further directives on how to chat with females, you are welcome to pm me.

b.

[Jojosun]

How to find these 50-60 USD pretty teenage girls in Kiev?

Why don't you read what you posted in the link above. Its in the body of the link.

Or do you want us to read it for you?

You are now really asking for someone to Flame you.

With such an attiude like yours, it won't be long before you get scammed in Donetsk when you land there.

[LilJoey]

give mamba a real chance and then you can educate people about how it compares with your favorite strip club.

barba

p. s. you don't have to sell me on using mamba. ru. i use it all the time and on every trip i have my list of preferred contacts. however, i am realistic about the possibilities and shortcomings of using websites, and i prefer to see my prey beforehand. the good news is the reports of prices having come down to more reasonable levels in the regular nightclubs, which is where i think one's mongering time should be spent in the evenings.

i will say one additional thing about mamba. ru. that if one wants to be more effective and raise the chances of luck in finding a hottie, one can approach it as finding freebies, rather than p4p, and also approach it as a numbers game. i wrote in a previous post about what i called the "hunter dave method", not because he is the only one using it, but because he was the veteran monger who convinced me that the method has merit. this method is simply a form of speed dating, which has become popular of late with many singles organizations. the method consists of selecting four or five different nice date locations in cafes or bars around the downtown area not too far from each other, and scheduling short dates one after another, back to back each day. after spending a reasonable amount of time sufficient to see what one needs to see about each girl, one makes excuses about business to attend to, and hurries off to the next date at the next location, and either one does or does not ask for another meeting before leaving the initial date. if a girl is too late for her date as scheduled, she gets bumped and rescheduled, as one sticks to the original schedule of dates. before long one will have gone through quite a number of girls and will know which ones are desirable as repeats, and eventually to be invited to one's apartment on some pretext. this is not p4p dating. it is freebie dating. but it can lead to meetings with very pretty girls and in some instances great sex, if you can close the deal. of course, to be successful, one needs to be presentable and charming. but a large age difference is no impediment. and of course to implement this method and reach a conclusion with any girl, one needs some time. it isn't going to get you much sex on a three day visit to kiev, for which it is probably better to stick to seeking p4p so that one can to the point more quickly.

lj

[LilJoey]

LJ, I did not read all the text in your post but I suggest you stick to things you know anything about (and since that is mostly the unmentionable club, maybe just give it a rest). Just because you did not manage to find pretty girls on dating sites, does not mean it is hard or time consuming for someone who knows how to work them. Anyone that reads this post and who spent a few months massaging social / dating sites in various parts of the world, will know exactly what I mean. If you have just a little bit of skills in reading people and response patterns, and you will weed out the fake profiles / users from the real ones. The real ones will most often communicate with you and sometimes present additional pictures if you are kind and just a fraction of an entertaining guy. A working girl is still a girl at the end of the day, and they are often tuned into cooperative social patterns (as opposed to a hired hand maintaining several fake profiles in Ukraine or anywhere else in the world).

Non of the girls I met where ugly or fat. They looked like the pictures and in a couple of cases I would say they even look better. Grading is subjective but I did visit some clubs in Kiev and according to my standards, I would prefer the ones I had from Mamba over most I saw dragging their feet around in these clubs, trying to look like dignified bitches. In one of the strip clubs one really pretty girl gave me a lap dance, only to tell me she would not come with me. If I would have been in for some serious hunting that evening, it would have been a total waste of time and money to talk to her. One girl that came to my apartment was a referral (the anal girl) and she was admittedly not so hot, but she is not on Mamba either so no need for you to worry about her. As I reported earlier one girl I really liked stayed for 3, 5 hours and still did not ask for more money than what we agreed on. A young student with black hair, big tits and slim waist. It took me all in all about 5 minutes to find her, scrutinize her and to and get her number. She replied to my call immediately when I rang her.

Yesterday I had a chat with a super pretty girl of age 21. She quoted 80 USD for an hour and when I responded that I would like to have a dinner first, she agreed without and fuzz about additional payment. We have had nice chats and exchanged some pictures. I like that build up, including the dinner. Anticipation. Once I shot my load, I normally want a new girl, or to see one of my "girlfriends" wherever I am on the globe, but the scenario is analog with sleep over guests, and I argue that you should NOT consider paying per hour as the standard you must implement. Let that be the exception in this ten thousand year old game between man and woman.

LJ, I do not know why you need to make non Rio related mongering sound so hard and like a lottery, but I am getting back into old paranoid thoughts discussed here previously. Give Mamba a real chance and then you can educate people about how it compares with your favorite strip club.

Barba

Barba, your sentiments fit exactly the type of monger I described who was much happier with the cheaply priced girls available on mamba. Ru.

The error in your analysis is that I am not "trying to make it sound hard" to find very hot 8's. 9's and 10's using mamba. Ru. I am merely reporting my own personal experiences, as well as the cumulative reported experiences of many, many others on this thread. No doubt you haven't read the prior reports. A fair reading of the numerous reports by others on this thread over the past year will substantiate my view, however. If you have some sort of compulsion to deny these reported facts and attribute my mentioning it to some ulterior purpose, then I can't help you with such delusional thoughts, and no real discourse is possible. Alas, the Mamba pictures are mostly fake, and the reported experience of many members is that most often unbecoming girls will show up at one's doorstep invited from the p4p offerings on the mamba website. This has been reported so many times on this thread in the past by many different writers, that I think anyone reasonable would regard it as axiomatic. The considered opinion was and is that One has to be lucky to get a nice looking above average girl off of mamba, BUT that with persistence and time it is possible to eventually get a nice looking girl using the mamba. Ru website.

The claims by some to have gotten to very hot 8's and 9's type of girls, I take with a grain of salt, and attribute to wishful thinking. It's improbable, although not impossible.

For getting the really hot WG's I much prefer a situation where I can see what the girl actually looks like before I select her, which is possible in nightclubs, as well as strip clubs. I find venues where I can see the girls in advance to be more certain, than the pot luck one deals with using mamba. Ru.

You claim to have a personal skill of being able to divine which p4p profiles on mamba are fake pictures and which are true pictures. If this is true, it would surely help a monger cut down on time wasted getting girls coming to the door who had nice pics, but ended up looking nowhere near as good as the pics in the flesh. Most other mongers who have been trying to use mamba do not have this special skill you claim to have, and have reported a different experience using mamba than you claim, which undermines the credibility of your report.

So if you want to post something of value to the thread, rather than just be argumentative, you should consider posting a detailed methodology explaining your methods of using mamba and never getting a piglet at your doorstep. I leave open the possibity that you may have something to contribute on this topic of using mamba. Ru more effectively. It would be a valuable contribution.

LJ

[Maha Siddha]

Newbiez, I read in an article that you can find streetwalkers outside metro station Politechnitjnyj institut. You should also try Mamba for freelancers or the massage saloons mentioned here in the past. Guys on the street will hand you flyers advertising "massage" and a Kiev senior told me that those places should absolutely be tested if you have the time. One article reports over 9000 prostitutes in Kiev, plus all the students that are just paid "girlfriends", so I am sure there is more options for p*ssy than the now probably very well visited nightclub.

When I see the numbers discussed here I am just amazed. Who the f*ck pays 800 USD for a night with a wh*re? Or even 400? If it is a girl you really like and have a relationship with things are different, but when there are pretty teenage girls for 80 USD waiting to see you, why pay ten times more just to sleep next to her? I met at least one that I consider an 8, and friends here sends me pictures of really pretty girls that they fucked for 50-60 USD per hour, so this board is in serious need of a reality check. I am not a fan of Cruiser D's arrogant tone at times, but folks here should listen to the message he broadcast!

Barba

How to find these 50-60 USD pretty teenage girls in Kiev?

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[Member #4491]

These mongers prefer to pay $75 or $100 or less, in total, for an hour of sex with a girl they got off mamba. Ru, even if the girl is only above.average looking, and not as pretty or sexy as some of the dancers from the strip club, and most importantly, even though it usually takes a lot of trying and a lot of wasted time using mamba. Ru to get a girl that looks decent, because many ugly, fat or older girls show up to one's door, instead of the beautiful girl in the fake picture on the mamba. Ru ad. These mongers feel that $75 or $100 is enough to pay for sex in Kiev, and the additional beauty level of some really very hot stunners in Kiev is not worth it to pay for it so much money as is being demanded.

LJ, I did not read all the text in your post but I suggest you stick to things you know anything about (and since that is mostly the unmentionable club, maybe just give it a rest). Just because you did not manage to find pretty girls on dating sites, does not mean it is hard or time consuming for someone who knows how to work them. Anyone that reads this post and who spent a few months massaging social / dating sites in various parts of the world, will know exactly what I mean. If you have just a little bit of skills in reading people and response patterns, and you will weed out the fake profiles / users from the real ones. The real ones will most often communicate with you and sometimes present additional pictures if you are kind and just a fraction of an entertaining guy. A working girl is still a girl at the end of the day, and they are often tuned into cooperative social patterns (as opposed to a hired hand maintaining several fake profiles in Ukraine or anywhere else in the world).

Non of the girls I met where ugly or fat. They looked like the pictures and in a couple of cases I would say they even look better. Grading is subjective but I did visit some clubs in Kiev and according to my standards, I would prefer the ones I had from Mamba over most I saw dragging their feet around in these clubs, trying to look like dignified bitches. In one of the strip clubs one really pretty girl gave me a lap dance, only to tell me she would not come with me. If I would have been in for some serious hunting that evening, it would have been a total waste of time and money to talk to her. One girl that came to my apartment was a referral (the anal girl) and she was admittedly not so hot, but she is not on Mamba either so no need for you to worry about her. As I reported earlier one girl I really liked stayed for 3, 5 hours and still did not ask for more money than what we agreed on. A young student with black hair, big tits and slim waist. It took me all in all about 5 minutes to find her, scrutinize her and to and get her number. She replied to my call immediately when I rang her.

Yesterday I had a chat with a super pretty girl of age 21. She quoted 80 USD for an hour and when I responded that I would like to have a dinner first, she agreed without and fuzz about additional payment. We have had nice chats and exchanged some pictures. I like that build up, including the dinner. Anticipation. Once I shot my load, I normally want a new girl, or to see one of my "girlfriends" wherever I am on the globe, but the scenario is analog with sleep over guests, and I argue that you should NOT consider paying per hour as the standard you must implement. Let that be the exception in this ten thousand year old game between man and woman.

LJ, I do not know why you need to make non Rio related mongering sound so hard and like a lottery, but I am getting back into old paranoid thoughts discussed here previously. Give Mamba a real chance and then you can educate people about how it compares with your favorite strip club.

Barba

[Member #4491]

Newbiez, I read in an article that you can find streetwalkers outside metro station Politechnitjnyj institut. You should also try Mamba for freelancers or the massage saloons mentioned here in the past. Guys on the street will hand you flyers advertising "massage" and a Kiev senior told me that those places should absolutely be tested if you have the time. One article reports over 9000 prostitutes in Kiev, plus all the students that are just paid "girlfriends", so I am sure there is more options for p*ssy than the now probably very well visited nightclub.

When I see the numbers discussed here I am just amazed. Who the f*ck pays 800 USD for a night with a wh*re? Or even 400? If it is a girl you really like and have a relationship with things are different, but when there are pretty teenage girls for 80 USD waiting to see you, why pay ten times more just to sleep next to her? I met at least one that I consider an 8, and friends here sends me pictures of really pretty girls that they fucked for 50-60 USD per hour, so this board is in serious need of a reality check. I am not a fan of Cruiser D's arrogant tone at times, but folks here should listen to the message he broadcast!

Barba

[LilJoey]

I'm newbie and I will go to Kiev on 18 July, after Euro, I read almost 20 pages here but only find the strip club, which expensive and I don't like lap dance much. Can I find some place in Kiev only prostitude who I can choose, only fuck and pay, no dance & good service? I will really respect if someone help me, thanks.

There are many, many reports on this thread within the last year, that give the information you requested for places with only prostitutes where you can choose and no dancing and low cost.

There are websites like mamba. Ru and top-modals. Com and many others basically using fake pictures and advertising girls for $75 to $100 / hr or less) , or you can go to girl apartments which are basically like a brothel, which taxi drivers can take you to, or you can meet shills for the apartments walking around downtown.

The nightclubs also have prostitutes, but a bit more expensive.