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[Tanglin]

i've generally had a good track record pulling viets (and others) from ot. i am firmly a "pay after" guy, and state so clearly. i also have a history with various girls at ot, some of which are invariably around even though they work a travel "rotation." if it is a new girl, i tell her to ask around about me. invariably they come back smiling. the ot grapevine is powerful, whether you're an asshole or a gentleman.

and being a gentleman has nothing to do with paying up front ;-)

i should add that i've also had good experiences with vietnamese women.

[Econo Tech]

i've generally had a good track record pulling viets (and others) from ot. i am firmly a "pay after" guy, and state so clearly. i also have a history with various girls at ot, some of which are invariably around even though they work a travel "rotation." if it is a new girl, i tell her to ask around about me. invariably they come back smiling. the ot grapevine is powerful, whether you're an asshole or a gentleman. .

you see, i steer clear of viets and those hanging outside ot. i have junked viets, and after the 3rd time it happened, when she starts whining that 'not enough' or 'too big'. i loose my mood.

i stick to pinays, even though the pinay grapevine is stronger. well, if you fuck up in one bar, go to another, and thanks to singapore ica, every 30 days to 60 days they recycle. so fret not.

unless you really [CodeWord140] off one of the lbs. at the ground floor, you are good to go, says me.

don't fret too much about the ot grapevine.

oh, unless you [CodeWord140] of one of the security guys. haha. then it is going to suck big time.

[Jp Slicky]

I am in some disagreement with PE

Those valuable should be in the room safe including the cash you intend to pay with. While it is in the safe, you have control. Leaving cell phones and cash out is not too wise or advised particully if you are drunk.

I do not get drunk for 2 reasons.

1. Mood killer.

2. You need your wits about you when in a room with someone you do not know.

I stand behind what I indicated about the Viets, although pretty, they are too business like. Discussing terms at OT is agreed to. Getting to know them and seeing what kind of person they are is advised. If they are pressuring you to go back to your hotel instead of sitting and having a good time with you. Drop like a hot steel ball. But even doing all this will not assure good GFE back at the hotel.

[Ebauche]

i've generally had a good track record pulling viets (and others) from ot. i am firmly a "pay after" guy, and state so clearly. i also have a history with various girls at ot, some of which are invariably around even though they work a travel "rotation." if it is a new girl, i tell her to ask around about me. invariably they come back smiling. the ot grapevine is powerful, whether you're an asshole or a gentleman.

i make my expectations clear up front, before we leave the bar (usually ipanema) , then again while we are in the hallway outside (usually by the convenience store kiosk either buying condoms or whatever snacks strike her fancy, often also spelling it out on my smartphone in terms of price, duration, desired sexual acts, payment terms, etc.

if after all of that - rumour mill checking, thorough negotiation, etc, we get to the room and the whinging for up front payment starts, i remind her of our agreement. if she persists, i hand her s$10 taxi money and send her out the door. if it's not too late, i might go back to ot to start the hunt anew. usually i just chalk it up to some inability to connect.

this happens to me very infrequently. i usually get excellent service from very affectionate and sweet girls. it's all part of your up front selection process. pick the right girl that you seem to "click" with, spend a bit of time with her, treat her kindly and with respect, get her some food if she wants (decent thai place in ot seems popular) , and a good time can / will be had.

[Peter Eastwest]

Here's how I see it.

You get good ones and you get bad ones. Same as every other group. Tall ones - good and bad. Skinny ones - good and bad. Long haired ones - good and bad. Blondes - good and bad. Shaved pussy ones - good and bad. Russians - good and bad. Americans - good and bad.

Common sense. Discuss payment before you get to hotel. Do it before you leave OT. Give her an incentive to perform well. Above all, be NICE to her.

I have had a few bad ones in my time but mostly that was because I was very drunk when choosing or I was choosing in a sellers' market or because I chose in a hurry and didn't follow my own rules. Big head / little head. Remember?

Say she wants S$200 for LT, you tell her that the deal is "I will give you 150. If you are REALLY good, I will give you 200."

In the room, put 150 on the table under your cellphone. Put another 50 beside it a few inches away under a glass."There it is. It is yours if you work for it."

Be NICE to her and you will almost certainly get it back in spades. Act like a shmuck and you'll get what you deserve. Do it my way and you'll get the differenve between a great experience and a lousy one for the difference of S$50.

I have mongered with Viettes in Singapore (and elsewhere) for 20 years and I can safely say that some of the best GFE's I have ever had were in Singapore with Viettes from Orchard Tower. Sure there are lousy ones but you don't have to be an expert to pick them out before you leave OT. They are usually the 10/10 class, princess attitude and arogant. If you are an overweight middle age westerner with too much beer, bad attitude, look down on the girl, treat her like dirt and have bad breath, what do you expect?

I am not Brad Pitt but I get "good service". If I don't its because I am drunk or in a big hurry.

Anyway I am back to Singapore late August and I can't what to get to OT and pick me a nice young Viette. But not TOO young! That's another point. The very young ones are not the best. Just like in men, a bit of maturity is good. Eighteen might sound great but a 30+ will always give much better service - and be more grateful that you choose her.

Enjoy/

PE.

Well, my geylang experience didn't teach me a lesson. Headed down orchard Road and then to OT tonite, Sunday night. Orchard Road had the usual gaggle of viets approaching men."give good massage" (but I love the way they say massage). Went into OT, mostly dead but ipanema had about 50 girls, almost all viets. Now. I don't usually do viets because I thought I had learned my lesson. NOPE.

So. Why don't I learn. NO VIETS!

Enjoy Sg.

GG

[Sleepy14]

Th ebest way is to "spend" time when you can in here, browsing ehre and there, form yourself an opinion, treasure all in, concentrating on areas / countries where msot likely you might end up.

Keeping update is the best key with regular reading, and this is really RTFF as, with the hlpe of some memory, one can then go back to the infos.

What I do soemtime, aware of a future visit, is copy and paste the most significative reports somewhere safe and easy to read off line.

I did so, traveling to Canada, in my ipad where I saved the whole Nampa (Japan) thread. Of coruse you skip lots of posts when reading but then you get the picture like reading a tourist book.

Totally agree, esp with the cutting and pasting for some places like the Middle East where ISG is blocked and the work arounds can take a bit of setting up. As with some others I only get short notice of some new countries and the research needs to be extensive if you want to hit the ground running.

[BionicMan]

. RTFF is not always easy (I do struggle with the search tools) but I do thank the seniors who have cut down the learning curve for me in OT, Geylang, KL, Dubai as well as many of the other 41 countries that I have tried out the hobby in.

Th ebest way is to "spend" time when you can in here, browsing ehre and there, form yourself an opinion, treasure all in, concentrating on areas / countries where msot likely you might end up.

Keeping update is the best key with regular reading, and this is really RTFF as, with the hlpe of some memory, one can then go back to the infos.

What I do soemtime, aware of a future visit, is copy and paste the most significative reports somewhere safe and easy to read off line.

I did so, traveling to Canada, in my ipad where I saved the whole Nampa (Japan) thread. Of coruse you skip lots of posts when reading but then you get the picture like reading a tourist book.

[Sleepy14]

For starters, the word is "threat" not "thread."

The reason some of us will throw out a woman who insists on upfront payment is because this behaviour is a pretty accurate indicator of how the rest of the evening is going to go. .

GG started this thread by saying he needs to avoid the Viets. Well, yes I have had some bad experiences with them but also some great ones. A month or so ago I met Mai outside OT who I had taken before. At $200 for LT I decided to repeat. A good night and better than the previous time.

On my return overnight through SG I was wandering up to OT around 1am (I had a late flight in) when she spots me from the other side of the road. Comes running over as her friend was just trying to engage me. Her friend can see the history and decides to back off while Mai explains what a great guy I am.

So another $200 for LT and back to the hotel we go. In the morning we had brunch and then went shopping with the complete understanding that I was not buying anything for her. By 3pm she is reluctant for me to leave but I have to catch my flight.

So in total I have taken her 3 times. The first time she was careful, more expensive, no kissing, basic service, one shot, would not shower with me and left as soon as time was up. By the third time she is very carefree, very GFE, getting cheaper, kissing is getting a lot better, multiple shots, showers with me, fun to have meals and go shopping with, and wants to look after me and is generally a lot of fun to be with. But she understands that when I say "time is up" then time is up.

I should also add that she is 35 and dresses respectably and so no walk of shame.

So Viets can be fun if they trust you but I do agree. Never pay up front!

Also some of the old hands in these forums have a wealth of knowledge and unless I was within 20% of their number of posts I don't think I would make my criticism public. (I have to wonder how much 11Bravo travels when I see his posts in the same forums that I frequent). RTFF is not always easy (I do struggle with the search tools) but I do thank the seniors who have cut down the learning curve for me in OT, Geylang, KL, Dubai as well as many of the other 41 countries that I have tried out the hobby in.

[Frankmen]

as tough businessmen,

Isn't part of making business trying to avoid risks?

Isn't that what the girl does?

What is idea behind "I pay later", if not putting pressure on the other side of risking not being paid?

Do you relay believe that she will have a positive opinion about the other? That she thinks that this is a good business partner?

Your friend has taken the word for what he believes are most here.

The fact that no one complains about fl's that doesn't ask upfront (I also wouldn't complain) doesn't necessarly make the most here to disagree with that.

I don't know what most think, neither do you or your friend. I talk for myself and wanted to make my point that there is a different view.

If upfront payment is such strong performance indicator then I wonder why there are still legal houses in GL.

I wonder why no one complains that the OKT in the legal houses ask for upfront payments.

And as of not happening too often: you might have noticed that most online FL services also demand upfront payments.

Being new in here doesn't mean being new in Singapore.

[Catharsis]

For starters, the word is "threat" not "thread."

Also, you're pretty new here, but you're willing to dish out some strong criticism of an experienced poster who knows his way around Singapore and OT very well, calling him whiney and self-pitying. Probably not the best idea.

The reason some of us will throw out a woman who insists on upfront payment is because this behaviour is a pretty accurate indicator of how the rest of the evening is going to go. For these women paid sex is purely a business transaction, and if she's mercenary enough to demand payment upfront, then she's also very likely to be mechanical and rushed, and no amount of "incentive" can change that (a lousy actress can't suddenly become talented, no matter how much you pay them). Not my idea of a good time. GG, myself, and many other guys here know about this firsthand, and there's nothing whiney about recounting a story that reinforces lessons we've already learned and stupidly forgot. There are too many other women in OT who are easy to get along with and enjoy their time "working." These women happily accept payment the next day, and I've even had some extend "credit" to me if I was a little short. And believe me, the mercenary Vietnamese that get kicked out don't see the guys as "cheap and treating" (I'm guessing you mean "threatening"). They see guys like that as tough businessmen, possibly as jerks, and certainly not as guys who are easy to intimidate and manipulate.

Finally, don't think that a guy can get away with cheating a girl more than once (or maybe twice). The gossip machine at OT works really, really well.

Guys,

Have been in Singapore 2 1/2 yrs.

If I hire from an agency I now it is pay first and play later.

That is the way it is done.

For good service you say up front that tip dependent on really good service and only pay extra if they try hard.

For FLs (eg Orchard Towers, Brix) then it is customary to inlcude payment terms in negotiaiton.

For god's sake this is business. It is not rocket science.

So I make the deal based on spreading the payments. Pay a % up front and then say rest on delivery.

Nothing cheap or nasty just that it protects you from girls who will then under-deliver or leave as soon as they can.

I have found that this is a suitable strategy anywhere. Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia etc

[Tanglin]

I am ready to get flamed, however I can't take this whiny self pity any longer.

Think twice: who takes the risk of being kicked out after being fucked and not payed?

Who can not go to the police and enforce an outstanding payment?

You instead make your self look like a cheap chap by arguing about the payment afterwards.

Why? Is this not a thread that you don't pay at all if she doesn't serve you well?

If you don't intend to threaten her then why making this request?

In modern life is appreciation and the prospect of a reward a better motivation than a thread.

Pay the agreed price upfront and tell her tipp depends on the performance.

You might go better by this compared to making yourself look cheap and treating.

Before anyone mention: for longtime prices pay half upfront and the rest + bonus at the next morning to ensure that her sister don't need "help" in the middle of the night.

If you tell this to her nicely and mention bad experiences before and she will agree.

For starters, the word is "threat" not "thread."

Also, you're pretty new here, but you're willing to dish out some strong criticism of an experienced poster who knows his way around Singapore and OT very well, calling him whiney and self-pitying. Probably not the best idea.

The reason some of us will throw out a woman who insists on upfront payment is because this behaviour is a pretty accurate indicator of how the rest of the evening is going to go. For these women paid sex is purely a business transaction, and if she's mercenary enough to demand payment upfront, then she's also very likely to be mechanical and rushed, and no amount of "incentive" can change that (a lousy actress can't suddenly become talented, no matter how much you pay them). Not my idea of a good time. GG, myself, and many other guys here know about this firsthand, and there's nothing whiney about recounting a story that reinforces lessons we've already learned and stupidly forgot. There are too many other women in OT who are easy to get along with and enjoy their time "working." These women happily accept payment the next day, and I've even had some extend "credit" to me if I was a little short. And believe me, the mercenary Vietnamese that get kicked out don't see the guys as "cheap and treating" (I'm guessing you mean "threatening"). They see guys like that as tough businessmen, possibly as jerks, and certainly not as guys who are easy to intimidate and manipulate.

Finally, don't think that a guy can get away with cheating a girl more than once (or maybe twice). The gossip machine at OT works really, really well ;-)

[Frankmen]

. Showered and then the usual viet stuff started "please pay me first" told her "NO", etc etc etc.

Explained to her that some of us would kick her out the door for asking for $ ahead of time. .

GG

I am ready to get flamed, however I can't take this whiny self pity any longer.

Think twice: who takes the risk of being kicked out after being fucked and not payed?

Who can not go to the police and enforce an outstanding payment?

You instead make your self look like a cheap chap by arguing about the payment afterwards.

Why? Is this not a thread that you don't pay at all if she doesn't serve you well?

If you don't intend to threaten her then why making this request?

In modern life is appreciation and the prospect of a reward a better motivation than a thread.

Pay the agreed price upfront and tell her tipp depends on the performance.

You might go better by this compared to making yourself look cheap and treating.

Before anyone mention: for longtime prices pay half upfront and the rest + bonus at the next morning to ensure that her sister don't need "help" in the middle of the night.

If you tell this to her nicely and mention bad experiences before and she will agree.

[Jp Slicky]

Much agreed about avoiding viets, I have had nothing but bad luck with them too. Demanding advance payment, and shtty GFE.

One thing about OT on a Sunday night as I experienced years ago, that a lot of guys must get up for Monday work or spent their money on during the rest of the week. You can get a pretty good deal due to supply and demand on Sunday night. I walked out of there with a lady who agreed to 100sg$.

[BionicMan]

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