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[Lalabo]

Hello, everyone!

I am planning a 10 day trip to Frankfurt, Germany starting December 21, 2012. I live in USA and this is my first mongering trip. I have been reading (as much as I can) the wealth of useful information available on ISG forum. I thank all the forum contributors. It would be a great help if expects on this forum can provide me answers to a few weather and road condition related questions.

My initial plan was to spend most of my time visiting FKK clubs in and around Frankfurt, and visit FKK Artemis, Berlin for a day or two. After reading various posts on this forum, I realized there are good FKK and Suana clubs in NRW area worth visiting. Now my plan is to split my time between NRW area and Frankfurt. Do you guys think this is a good idea?

The list of clubs I would like to visit:

Frankfurt: Oase, Palace, World and Mainhattan.

NRW: Golden Time, Samya, Living Room, Acapulco and Bernd's.

Out of the travel options available to get to the clubs (Public transportation + taxi, taxi and rental car) , I am leaning towards rental car as it offers convenience and flexibility. My plan is to stay near main train station both in Frankfurt and Cologne and get to clubs by rental car. My concern is the weather and road conditions. If weather conditions are bad for driving, I may consider public transportation.

Can any of you give me some info about the typical weather and road conditions during the last 2 weeks of December? Specifically, about the road conditions in getting to above mentioned NRW area clubs from Cologne.

I am worried about snow and sleet at night. How safe (from weather point of view) is it to drive after midnight when the temperature is at its low?

Thanks in advance.

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Bo

[Hessen Bub]

I was scheduled to go to FFM / DUSS next week but had to cancel it until late November or early December. I was wondering when the normal snow season and snowfall is for FFM and NRW.

It varies from year to year. There might be almost no snow all winter long, but also there might be a lot of snow in November already. Usually highways and major roads are open, so there should be no issues.

HB

[Nille Copenhagen]

I was scheduled to go to FFM / DUSS next week but had to cancel it until late November or early December. I was wondering when the normal snow season and snowfall is for FFM and NRW.

It rarely snow in November or early December, but it can happen, if you rent a car they will equip you with Winter tires, so you can drive safely in the snow. Keep just keep an eye on the weather forecast a week before.

The real snow season is Jan-Mar.

[Banana Boi]

I was scheduled to go to FFM / DUSS next week but had to cancel it until late November or early December. I was wondering when the normal snow season and snowfall is for FFM and NRW.

[Nille Copenhagen]

I was hoping someone could help with some questions. I've been there twice but these are things I'm wondering.

1. How often do people repeat the same girl on the same day? It seems that after a session the woman ignores you. As if they know you won't bother.

2. How likely are they to meet you after hours at a hotel room? Is this against the law, against house rules, or just not worth their time?

Thanks!

1. I've done it many times.

I don't experience this ignoring behavior often unless it was a bad session. On the contrary I saw blink, wink and smile and touch when our path crosses in the club.

If you and the girl had fun why should she ignore you?

2. It's possible but not common.

Some of the girl from the FKK clubs, might sleep at the club and would probably not go to your hotel.

Useless she knows and trusts you and you paid her well,

You have better chances calling an escort or pick up girls elsewhere.

Also the girls have worked the entire day / night so there are not much energy left. They just want to sleep.

At some clubs (like VV) you can rent a room for overnight and you invite the girls to sleep with you if you want.

[Angus Magee]

I was hoping someone could help with some questions. I've been there twice but these are things I'm wondering.

1. How often do people repeat the same girl on the same day? It seems that after a session the woman ignores you. As if they know you won't bother.

2. How likely are they to meet you after hours at a hotel room? Is this against the law, against house rules, or just not worth their time?

3. How much is Greek? 30 minutes. Is it 150 euro or 200?

Finally thinking of early November to visit Frankfurt. Any bad dates there?

Thanks!

Nobody seems interested in answering this (perhaps because of the vague way in which the questions are worded?) but I'll give it my opinion.

How often? No idea mate but I know I have done it on occasion. The girls are not ignoring you, rather you have had your session and they are interested in fresh blood. If you are still interested then show some interest. But you might have to make it known that you are up for further paid time as they are really not there to just hang out.

Take out is possible but depends on you being trustable and financially able. Some clubs may have rules in place to discourage it (they may not want girls to make a lot of outside deals cutting them out of their piece of the action) but these can also be seen around. It is certainly not illegal. Keep in mind that it will not be cheap and may not be easy if you re not a regular.

Anal does differ from club to club but will generally be 100 extra on what ever the time of the session.

AM

[Shark16]

I was hoping someone could help with some questions. I've been there twice but these are things I'm wondering.

!

Thanks. Where have you been lately? What happened at your latest trips? Just curious ...

[PriceFisher]

I was hoping someone could help with some questions. I've been there twice but these are things I'm wondering.

1. How often do people repeat the same girl on the same day? It seems that after a session the woman ignores you. As if they know you won't bother.

2. How likely are they to meet you after hours at a hotel room? Is this against the law, against house rules, or just not worth their time?

3. How much is Greek? 30 minutes. Is it 150 euro or 200?

Finally thinking of early November to visit Frankfurt. Any bad dates there?

Thanks!

[Jimmy Boy 99]

I recently rented from Budget (part of Avis) at FRA. Their website said I needed to show an International Driver's license, so I obtained one at AAA for $15. I was never asked to show it. I also used a Capital One Visa credit card without any problems or being asked to show a letter from Visa that said I was insured. However, I carry one with me just in case.

[Putantour]

Fellas,

I will be visiting Frankfurt during September 15-18 at this time the Automechanika Frankfurt Trade Fair will be taking place September 11-16 and I know during Trade Fairs is not a good time to visit the FKK's in Frankfurt because they are packed with guys and the girls will be very busy and that means it will be a sausage fest in the FKK's. I wanted to know if any of you guys had experience visiting FKK's during this.

http://www.tradefairdates.com/autome...Frankfurt.html

And how was it out there and was it packed with guys if that's the scenario than I will not be visiting Frankfurt during this time.

It's been said a lot of times: during the Fairs, the FKKs as other place IN THE CITY are overcrowded. Really you'll find more girls working too, but there is anyway some little disease, like waiting time for a room, you must be quick picking a girl when you see someone you like, . But the most terrifing experience is that the girls works fast for work more and the service level goes underground. The alternatives are: if you'll have a car, you can drive up to FKK Word, or Sharks, or other alternative with 30-40 min drive, that it's enought far for the classical people "fair / dinner / club"; if you can't drive so far, you should go in the club before 4 pm and stay till 10 pm. But during such a big fair, staying close to the city will be a little problematic. I've stumbled sometimes in Oase during Fair time, found overcrowded, and I've done everything, nothing dramatic, you could have fun anyway. I only hate when the girls hurry you, because they're already thinking to jump out from the room and catch another customer.

Respect the girls, and have fun.

[Pana Nyc]

Fellas,

I will be visiting Frankfurt during September 15-18 at this time the Automechanika Frankfurt Trade Fair will be taking place September 11-16 and I know during Trade Fairs is not a good time to visit the FKK's in Frankfurt because they are packed with guys and the girls will be very busy and that means it will be a sausage fest in the FKK's. I wanted to know if any of you guys had experience visiting FKK's during this http://www.tradefairdates.com/autome...Frankfurt.html And how was it out there and was it packed with guys if that's the scenario than I will not be visiting Frankfurt during this time.

[Forcharles]

If you want to inform people about the risk, why didn't you just copy the link to the article and let those interested check out said article? No, you waste half the page copying said article. And you put it in the wrong section on this forum.

And I'm not sure if quoting something from "boingboing" gives this article much credence.

You may be right, Breadman. Thanks for the suggestion. I didn't realize the article was as long as it appears.

Wrong section? Where should it have been posted?

[Breadman]

If you want to inform people about the risk, why didn't you just copy the link to the article and let those interested check out said article? No, you waste half the page copying said article. And you put it in the wrong section on this forum.

And im not sure if quoting something from "boingboing" gives this article much credence.

[Forcharles]

I came across this article and thought I would share it with my fellow mongers:

http://www.alternet.org/print/how-risky-oral-sex

We need to be informed of the risks, but personally, I don't intend to change my sexual practice.

How Risky is Oral Sex?

August 19, 2012.

This story was originally published at Salon [3].

Oral sex with a condom or dental dam: It's one of those things things that sexual health educators preach but which people rarely practice. A reminder of that came earlier this week with the release of a CDC report [4] noting that 'adolescents perceive fewer health-related risks for oral sex compared with vaginal intercourse' and, as a result, young people may 'be placing themselves at risk of STIs or HIV before they are ever at risk of pregnancy. '

My immediate reaction to that was: Well, but there are fewer health-related risks, right? Then I came across this remark in HealthDay [5] from Christopher Hurt, a professor in the Division of Infectious Diseases at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill: 'I would say that the risk of STD transmission through oral sex is underappreciated and underestimated. As part of sex education programs, kids need to be made aware of that fact that oral sex is not a completely risk-free activity. ' But, I wondered, just how dangerous is it?

It turns out that putting a solid figure on the danger is difficult. Nikki Mayes of the CDC's media office says, 'As far as I'm aware, no studies have quantified the exact risk for all STIs [through oral sex], ' and the CDC doesn't gather data on STIs contracted through oral sex. It's difficult to attribute infections to any single sex act — most people who contract STIs engage in a variety of potentially risky sexual practices.

But we can look at what we know about the transmission risks of particular STIs, starting first with the one that scares people the most: HIV. The greatest danger when it comes to oral sex is believed to be with fellatio for the 'receptive partner. ' (Now here's a mind fuck: In clinical lingo, 'receptive oral sex' refers to performing oral sex on someone — or 'giving head, ' as the kids say — not to 'receiving it. ' You can think of it this way: The receptive partner is receiving the penis or vagina in their mouth.) The website of AVERT [6], an international HIV and AIDS charity, explains that transmission can occur when 'sexual fluid (semen or vaginal fluid) or blood (from menstruation or a wound somewhere in the genital or anal region) [gets] into a cut, sore, ulcer or area of inflammation somewhere in their mouth or throat. '

A University of California, San Francisco [7], study put the per-contact risk of transmission through 'receptive' fellatio with an HIV positive partner at 0. 04 percent. (For perspective, consider that the same study found a much higher per-contact risk of 0. 82 percent for unprotected receptive anal sex.) The researchers calculated the rate of HIV transmission to be 4 out of 10, 000 acts of fellatio. Without ejaculation in the mouth, though, some experts have called HIV transmission via performing fellatio'extremely low risk. ' [8]

As for the danger of having someone perform unprotected oral sex on you: 'The only risk in this scenario would be from bleeding wounds or gums in the HIV positive person's mouth or on their lips, which may transfer blood onto the mucous membranes of the other person's genitals or anus, or into any cuts or sores they may have, ' according to AVERT.

(I hope that all makes sense — my brain still hurts from trying to understand the concept of 'receptive oral sex. ')

Now that we've addressed people's worst fear, let's turn to the most realistic worry: herpes. It presents the biggest threat of transmission through oral sex, and barrier methods don't always prevent it. Most risky is the transmission of HSV-1, which typically shows up as sores around the mouth but which can be transmitted from the mouth to the genitals. One study [9] found that women who received oral sex but didn't have vaginal intercourse were more than nine times as likely to contract the virus than sexually inactive women. (That's compared to women who only had vaginal intercourse, which were at a lesser risk.) HSV-2 can also be transmitted from genitals to mouth, although it's rarer.

The other leading risk through oral sex is gonorrhea, says Hurt. STD clinics have reported [10] that 5 to 10 percent of patients have gonorrhea of the throat. Scarier still: Cases of antibiotic-resistant oral gonorrhea are on the rise [11] (meaning these cases are harder to treat but not incurable [12]).

Chlamydia and syphilis are in the second tier of risk through oral sex. A Chicago study [13] found that 13. 7 percent of syphilis cases were attributed to oral sex. Generally, though, it's believed to be uncommon. As for syphilis, that seemingly antiquated infection, it's 'easily transmitted' during oral sex — 'if a person's mouth comes into contact with an open sore or a skin rash caused by the infection, ' according to AVERT.

As for HPV, Hurt says, 'We really don't know what the risk is. But it clearly can infect in and around the mouth, as well as in the genital tract. ' One study [14] described the risk as 'small. ' You've probably seen the scary headlines about oral sex causing cancer, but as I reported in the past, oral cancers linked to HPV are very rare: Approximately five per 100, 000 people. (And most oral cancers are tied to HPV 16, and we have a vaccine for that now).

Further down the list of risk are Hepatitis A, gastrointestinal infections, and parasites, among others — fun times, why'all!

One takeaway is that — sorry, fellatio fans — blow jobs tends to be riskier than cunnilingus. 'Across all STIs and all sex acts, generally the receptive partner is the one at greater risk for STI and HIV acquisition, the idea being that wherever ejaculate winds up, that's also where the greatest burden of infectious material will also wind up, ' says Hurt. But that hardly means that cunnilinguists are in the clear: He also says that the risk of contracting syphilis, herpes or HPV by performing oral sex on a woman is 'arguably just as high' as with fellatio 'since these infections can occur both inside the vagina and on the skin surface. '

There's a yawning gap between sexual health experts' recommendations and people's actual behaviors: A 2004 survey [15]of USA adults found that 82 percent of sexually active participants never used a condom or dental dam during oral sex. A U. K. Survey [16] of 16 to 18 year olds found that only 2 percent of those who had experienced fellatio consistently used condoms. 'It's pretty uncommon for people to actually use condoms or dental dams when performing oral sex, ' says Hurt. Flavored condoms and dental dams help to encourage the practice, but 'they can only go so far towards making [oral sex] through latex or polyurethane a pleasurable experience for either partner. '

So, you see, it's hard to nail down the exact risk of unprotected oral sex, but Hurt says, 'The most important point is that it's all relative, and oral sex isn't risk-free. '

See more stories tagged with:

Cdc [17],

Sex [18],

Disease [19],

Sti [20],

Sexually [21],

Transmitted [22],

Oral [23]

Source URL:

http://www.alternet.org/how-risky-oral-sex

Links:

[1]

http://www.salon.com

[2]

http://www.alternet.org/authors/tracy-clark-flory

[3]

http://www.salon.com/2012/08/19/how_risky_is_oral_sex/

[4]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_1...***-education/

[5]

http://www.nydailynews.com/life-styl...icle-1.1137802

[6]

http://www.avert.org/oral-sex.htm

[7]

http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/hiv?page=basics-00-08

[8]

http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/insite?page=pr-rr-05

[9]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0308100931.htm

[10]

http://www.nydailynews.com/life-styl...#ixzz23juAsqq1

[11]

http://boingboing.net/2011/07/11/ant...resistant.html

[12]

http://gawker.com/5933459/gonorrhea-...ng-untreatable

[13]

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5341a2.htm

[14]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9634307

[15]

http://articles.cnn.com/2004-04-06/h...y?_s=PM:HEALTH

[16]

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3800606.html

[17]

http://www.alternet.org/tags/cdc

[18]

http://www.alternet.org/tags/sex-0

[19]

http://www.alternet.org/tags/disease-0

[20]

http://www.alternet.org/tags/sti

[21]

http://www.alternet.org/tags/sexually

[22]

http://www.alternet.org/tags/transmitted

[23]

http://www.alternet.org/tags/oral

[OfficeMatt]

We don't have that sillyness here in the states that I'm aware of.

Yes, you do have that silliness in the States. We also have it in Canada. Not sure how it works in the States, but airports in Canada are a tax authority unto themselves and can levy whatever taxes they want and can borrow with disregard to reason and rational thought. Hence airport improvement taxes, or whatever special name they call them. It's called usury. But whatever. You can waive insurance, but at the same time, you have to prove that you have some other insurance coverage.