Safe Sex

[WestCoast1]

I don't doubt many barebackers are lucky guys but to pretend that this isn't risky behavior is silly and I have to call you on it.

Not at all my good man. I never said it wasn't risky, nor hinted at it. As I've said many times, I don't suggest anyone follow my lead. As your examples have shown, its obviously more risky to smoke (vs not smoking) , eat poorly (vs eating "healthy") , or have unprotected sex (vs abstinence). One could make the same case for driving a car (vs taking a bus / train / plane). I don't claim otherwise. The question (which might not be answerable) becomes: How much more risky? There are conceptions and misconceptions out there, and none of us know which is which. If I get sick from the first AC girl I fuck, then maybe there's a low incidence of disease there, or a high incidence of disease in AC. If you're the guy who got sick from the first girl, one cannot make the assumption that either is the case. But if you fuck 100 AC girls this year and get sick each time, that's good evidence that there's a high incidence of disease. If you fuck 100 AC girls this year and don't get sick, one can start to easily make the case that there is a fairly low incidence of disease (the odds of getting 100 straight samples of either 'disease' or 'no disease' is very small).

I am saying, however, that I prefer it this way. I had an uncle who died from cancer, he smoked to the end. He was unabashed about it. He had no desire to quit. He loved not only smoking, he said he liked the smell of smoke when others smoked. Possibly I like punani the same way, and like him, I prefer to live without the risk worry.

Hell most of you cover your faces or avoid showing your faces when your with these ladies. So I don't have much faith in the few men who are in your circle that miraculously avoid getting std's.

I'm not sure what that has to do with condom use. We cover our faces (and the ladies) to protect identities.

Again I really can careless what other men do it's their business.

"Ain't none of us getting out of this thing alive."

[Jbiz979]

[QUOTE=Westcoast1; 1352425]Not necessarily. It seems that way. Makes sense, mathematically. But, as we've discussed before (the converstation comes around) , there are a number of gents (some regular board members, others I've met who are not members) who have banged hundreds of sex pro's, never used a condom, get tested regularly, and have not gotten sick. Yet others have gotten sick their first time in AC / Tijuana / Pataya. That alone makes the above remark unsubstantiable. If even one guy bangs a hundred sex pros and doesn't get sick, then it cannot be said with any degree of certainty that sex workers are carrying an above-average rate of STD's. However, the mind can think its so, its very natural. I've had hundreds and hundreds of pinay bareback and have not gotten sick (and so have others) , which means there's a low probability of catching something? I'm not sure a call can be made one way or the other.

Westcoast your a smart guy and in most cases we rarely disagree but that's asinine remark. It's like telling someone to smoke cigarette's because my aunt Betty live to 90 years old without getting lung cancer. Which of course you admit is contradictory to your first statement we are in agreement there. 2ndly I gave no averages I have no clue whether or not AC has above average or below average ANYTHING for that matter. I would compare it to eating fast food regularly, it's quite possible depending on one's metabolism you won't get fat or be diagnosed with diabetes with this type of diet. But if after a year of or 10 of this diet you gain 50lbs and your struggling with health issues, no would be surprised at that outcome not even the participant. Now lets look at the other side, you eat this horrible diet for 10 years and the doctor gives you a clean bill of health hell he even says you have the heart of a 15 year old. Now which of these scenario's is more likely and which one is the exception to the rule? I don't doubt many barebackers are lucky guys but to pretend that this isn't risky behavior is silly and I have to call you on it. Lastly how many men would admit to anyone that they received an std? Hell most of you cover your faces or avoid showing your faces when your with these ladies. So I don't have much faith in the few men who are in your circle that miraculously avoid getting std's. Again I really can careless what other men do it's their business.

[ThatGuy865]

Food for thought

http://punto.com.ph/News/Article/158...-to-come-out-i

STD cases jack up by 7. 8 %

Freelance sex workers asked to come out.

By Ding Cervantes.

Nov 19, 2012.

ANGELES CITY- Cases of sexually transmitted diseases (STD) in this city were noted to have increased by 7. 84 percent, all the victims being female freelance workers aged from 18 to 25.

The study, conducted by a group headed by Dr. Richard Velez, head of the department of medicine of the Sacred Heart Hospital here, also noted an average increase of four human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) cases in this city every year since 1985.

'The registry showed a total of 93 confirmed cases of HIV infection from 1985 to 2011. The disease incidence distribution was irregular but the average incidence is about 4 positive cases per year.

Unfortunately the records did not classify the demographic characteristics of the positive population, ' the study also said.

The study also noted 'at least eleven reported confirmed deaths from the reported (HIV) positive population', adding that 'the status of the majority of the cases was undetermined or lost to follow-ups. '

[Gangles]

Jbiz, your statement to the effect that it is obvious that if you bareback known sex professionals. Is actually not so obvious.

When you use the term "high probability", that is a statistical term, which needs to be technically understood, and which can be estimated given certain data.

It depends on your knowledge of the infection rates of the known sex professional pinays, the likelihood (a statistical term) of transmission from a diseased female to a healthy male, and the frequency of sexual contact between the subject male and his sexual partners.

Amongst the bargirls in AC, there are controls in place to reduce the first variable, that is, the infection rate of the bargirls. As for the other two, I do not know what are the probabilities, but I suspect that they are much lower than the "images" promoted by governments, which generally have vested interests in creating and maintaining the fear campaigns.

Maybe I should write to my Minister for Health and ask if there are actual probabilities which have been estimated.

For your consideration,

G

Isn't it obvious that if you bareback known sex professional pinays on a regular bases that there's a high probability of catching an std? I agree that I don't think this needs to be discussed in this forum. Is this really some unknown? Come-on live with the decisions you make. If you want to be a barebacker get a wife or girlfriend and be monogamous. You know a lot of mongers like to deny to themselves that these pinays aren't prostitutes but they are, just because you get GFE doesn't mean they are your gf. And a rose by any other name is just that. So there you go, I use a rubber with ever one I sleep with but I'm in no position to dictate to any man what he does in his own bedroom. With that said lets move on Gentlemen.

[WestCoast1]

Yes it is guy like you who are telling me it happening to them guys who have been comming here for years, the increase seems to be snow balling, like I originally posted I am only telling you what I have been told by others. So good luck on your next trip here.

The problem in the discussion is this: when guys see me or Hombre talking about barebacking without illness, it tempts them to do the same (like kids in a candy store).

The exact opposite problem also exists: When guys (ie A Colonizer) see all the talk about antibiotics and disease, it tempts them to wear a condom.

[Frenzy3]

Not necessarily. It seems that way. Makes sense, mathematically. But, as we've discussed before (the converstation comes around) , there are a number of gents (some regular board members, others I've met who are not members) who have banged hundreds of sex pro's, never used a condom, get tested regularly, and have not gotten sick. Yet others have gotten sick their first time in AC / Tijuana / Pataya. That alone makes the above remark unsubstantiable. If even one guy bangs a hundred sex pros and doesn't get sick, then it cannot be said with any degree of certainty that sex workers are carrying an above-average rate of STD's. However, the mind can think its so, its very natural. I've had hundreds and hundreds of pinay bareback and have not gotten sick (and so have others) , which means there's a low probability of catching something? I'm not sure a call can be made one way or the other.

Yes it is guy like you who are telling me it happening to them guys who have been comming here for years, the increase seems to be snow balling, like I originally posted I am only telling you what I have been told by others. So good luck on your next trip here.

[MrHombre]

[QUOTE=Westcoast1; 1352425]Not necessarily. It seems that way. Makes sense, mathematically. But, as we've discussed before (the converstation comes around) , there are a number of gents (some regular board members, others I've met who are not members) who have banged hundreds of sex pro's, never used a condom, get tested regularly, and have not gotten sick. Yet others have gotten sick their first time in AC / Tijuana / Pataya. That alone makes the above remark unsubstantiable. If even one guy bangs a hundred sex pros and doesn't get sick, then it cannot be said with any degree of certainty that sex workers are carrying an above-average rate of STD's. However, the mind can think its so, its very natural. I've had hundreds and hundreds of pinay bareback and have not gotten sick (and so have others) , which means there's a low probability of catching something? I'm not sure a call can be made one way or the other.

I'm also one of the 'lucky' ones who has been with hundreds of pros, barebacked most of them and have not developed any dread or not so dread diseases. To each his own.

Great Cebu story, by the way. Life has magnificent surprises sometimes.

[WestCoast1]

Isn't it obvious that if you bareback known sex professional pinays on a regular bases that there's a high probability of catching an std?

Not necessarily. It seems that way. Makes sense, mathematically. But, as we've discussed before (the converstation comes around) , there are a number of gents (some regular board members, others I've met who are not members) who have banged hundreds of sex pro's, never used a condom, get tested regularly, and have not gotten sick. Yet others have gotten sick their first time in AC / Tijuana / Pataya. That alone makes the above remark unsubstantiable. If even one guy bangs a hundred sex pros and doesn't get sick, then it cannot be said with any degree of certainty that sex workers are carrying an above-average rate of STD's. However, the mind can think its so, its very natural. I've had hundreds and hundreds of pinay bareback and have not gotten sick (and so have others) , which means there's a low probability of catching something? I'm not sure a call can be made one way or the other.

Is this really some unknown?

Apparently.

Come-on live with the decisions you make.

Is someone suggesting otherwise?

If you want to be a barebacker get a wife or girlfriend and be monogamous.

Respectufully, couldn't disagree more. Will endeavour to bb, no desire to get a wife / gf. Seeding the earth is my gift to mankind.

SNIP.

But I'm in no position to dictate to any man what he does in his own bedroom. With that said lets move on Gentlemen.

He's singing my song. I also don't advocate barebacking (nor condom use). Let each guy decide.

[Pete Benetar]

Have to agree, but I am using "copy and paste" to Google quite a bit to look up all them thar big words that got a lotta vowels inim.

One thing to add. At least you can buy antibiotics over the counter in the Phils; and at a very reasonable price. I think I paid around 350php for a name brand Z-Pack back in June and the generic was around 120. I chose the name brand as I felt the quality would be better. A generic 10 pack of 500mg Amoxicillin was 65php.

Azithromycin, if that's in your Z pack, is a good drug for prophylaxis. I have used ofloxicin along with doxy in the past though this is a little vexing from the preventive side as almost all these drugs have reported reduced effect due to increasing resistance, esp insofar as gonorrhea strains in asia, in particular. The penicillins have been out of favor for a while and while there are significantly resistant strains of gonorrhea to both cephalosporin and fluoroquinolone antibiotics, usage of one of these in combo with doxycycline is usually 100% effective.

You can google the CDC treatment of STI's for the most current info but the bottom line is resistant strains are always developing. Prophylaxis should be short term to limit contributing to the problem of developing resistant strains. Treatment of established infection is really only guaranteed with good culture and sensitivity testing.

Only other caveat I would add is I do not know anything about the reliability of pharmaceuticals in AC or anywhere outside the USA. I'm comfortable with my scripts here at home though bogus pharmaceuticals have even been reported even here in the US.

[Jbiz979]

Isn't it obvious that if you bareback known sex professional pinays on a regular bases that there's a high probability of catching an std? I agree that I don't think this needs to be discussed in this forum. Is this really some unknown? Come-on live with the decisions you make. If you want to be a barebacker get a wife or girlfriend and be monogamous. You know a lot of mongers like to deny to themselves that these pinays aren't prostitutes but they are, just because you get GFE doesn't mean they are your gf. And a rose by any other name is just that. So there you go, I use a rubber with ever one I sleep with but I'm in no position to dictate to any man what he does in his own bedroom. With that said lets move on Gentlemen.

[Pete Benetar]

I added to the start of this after VB post, as it not the first time I had a fellow monger admit to me he got a STD in AC, I am hearing a lot more guys are getting STD so it very relevant in the AC thread as these mongers are then visiting other areas and not covering up because they find out after the leave they got a std. The warts the guy did not find out till he got to cebu and been here for over a week so he been with girls here every day, not to mention all the girl he barebacked in AC.

Some of my comments suggest I'm a proponent of bare backing but really what I suggest in my posts is only that the viral diseases are of lesser significance in my humble opinion (IMHO). Condoms do little for warts, but in the absence of effective broad spectrum antibiotic prophylaxis tapping unknown girls bare backed is best avoided (I only occasionally go on safari to the PI or Africa and cover myself with an antiviral (acyclovir) plus doxycycline which is good for malarial prophylaxis as well and a fluoroquinolone de jour.

The garden variety STI's (chlamydia, gonorrhea, syphilis) are highly contagious and acutely destructive. If one rides "unknowns" bare back, he and anyone within a degree or two of immediate contact, is best served by the mongerer using prophylactic antibiosis IMHO.

It's a relevant topic and I think appropriate for this forum and AC especially.

[Frenzy3]

How did the AC forum devolve to a discussion of STD's and safe sex (a violation of forum rules)? Can we get back to field reports? RR, good medical info for the gents.

I added to the start of this after VB post, as it not the first time I had a fellow monger admit to me he got a STD in AC, I am hearing a lot more guys are getting STD so it very relevant in the AC thread as these mongers are then visiting other areas and not covering up because they find out after the leave they got a std. The warts the guy did not find out till he got to cebu and been here for over a week so he been with girls here every day, not to mention all the girl he barebacked in AC.

[Pete Benetar]

Huh? When HSV 2 goes into neural ganglia (latency) it typically takes up residence in the sacral ganglia. But not always. Outbreaks can happen theoretically anywhere.

Eh, I'd rather stay HIV free and not have to worry about it. And note too that some strains of HIV have higher hetero-sex transmission rates than others. The strain most prominent in SE Asia for example.

Theoretical manifestations for the immunocompetent is worth squat wrt HSV. But if you want to wear a cover, stay monogamous or better "just say no" then maybe that's best for a chap like yourself. Glad to hear you'd rather be HIV neg. Very insightful.

[John Dough]

Where would I buy this one?

Is this the right one?

http://www.amazon.com/Includes-Perso...words=silicone

+donut.

That is the right type of product. One thing I forgot to mention is they come in different diameters. Any size will do to cover the base of the penis, but if you want more protection for the whole pubic area, try to find one that is at least 3 inches in diameter. Most cities will have an adult toy store where you can buy these, or you can order one online.

[Soapy Smith]

How did the AC forum devolve to a discussion of STD's and safe sex (a violation of forum rules)? Can we get back to field reports? RR, good medical info for the gents.

No Safe Sex Complaints. Forum Members wishing to criticize other Members for not following what they consider to be safe sex procedures may do so only in the Safe Sex Thread. Members may not comment upon, criticize or confront other members on this subject in the general discussion threads. Any such "safe sex complaints" posted in the general discussion threads will be deleted without comment.

VB's post may, in the strictest sense, criticize others' actions in general, but he did not direct his comments to any member in particular. That is, his was not a personal attack or criticism. As for the others of us who participated in the discussioin, the rules do not prohibit discussions of STDs and safe sex; they prohibit criticizing other members for their behavior with regard to safe sex. I think the point of this ongoing discussion was the impression that STI rates in AC are alleged to be on the rise. Whether or not that is true, it seems to me that reliable information about HPV, HSV, and so on is a sensible thing to share in a forum about AC. People can then decide for themselves what levels of protection they want to take. I don't understand why you'd be so troubled by that.