East China - Shanghai

[Maddog40]

Enjoyable to read. Thanks for sharing. I'll be back in SH in two days and you have me excited to try Manhattans and perhaps Judy's. In fact, let me share my recent experience Saturday night at Manhattans. I rarely go to the bar scene as it makes me feel awkward but thought I'd see what Manhattans was like this year. I have never taken a LT home but did take a ST once. So, walked in and sauntered to the bathroom to view the scenery. It was very crowded about 11pm so I stopped in a little opening spot and drank my Greenie. So and girl comes next to me and starts talking and I was not that interested in her but though it was at least polite to move the casual conversation along. All the while thinking she will move on if I don't show great interest. She takes me to her spot by a table and we continue to talk with her in front of me and grabs my arms around her. She is from Anhui (didn't think there were many Chinese in Manhattan). She became attractive because of her personality and I thought I would ask how much for her to go with me. She said 1000 and I said 800 and not sure if it would be ST or LT. She said fine so we headed back to the Paramount Hotel (my favorite in JingAn).

She turned out to be a terrific find and did every position I know of and was alot of fun. Something interesting is when I blew in the condom, she went down and sucked the condom end playing with it for awhile. I will repeat when I return.

I'm in Shenzhen now and have MoMo installed and getting lots of hits. I'm a little funny about not really knowing who it hitting me back so just toying for now. Lots more action than in SH.

Maybe head over to Macau to try one of the saunas for the experience.

Keep the reports coming guys.

MD40

[Lurkingdog]

Amazing post, Golly. While you keep "beating yourself up" about rusty negotiation skills, it seems to me that you enjoyed most every night and had no regrets (glad you found your wallet, though WHEW!) so as they say, you got good / great value for the price paid and for that, you shouldn't apologize. Good for you.

LD

[Golly Woggle]

This is getting insane, but I'm enjoying every minute. Well, almost every minute.

I woke up in the middle of the night Monday and had the urge to go out again. No work and no commitments for the next little while means I don't need to care one bit. So off I went once again to Tongren lu and Nanjing Xi lu. Judy's was dead at 2AM. Not surprising for a Monday. So dead I didn't bother sitting down. A few bored looking girls. The dancing Fils laughing it up in the back. Empty. So up the road I walked. Malones dark and closed. Kept walking. A gaggle of street vultures descend upon me: "Oh baby! Massageee! Up my ass!" They crowded around me pulling at my clothes. One even managed to half pull some cash out of my pocket. Luckily I was completely sober and caught her in the act. Laughed and commended her on her cleverness and squeezed my way out the group hooker death grip.

Phew.

Kept walking. Up the stairs to Manhattans. Really busy. Not as packed as the weekend but crazy enough to realize there are a lot more insane Monday mongers than myself. I did the awkward walk around. Ended up at the raised tables in the back by the washroom with a group of Chinese from the far west. Pretty intense looking dudes. So I just stood there awkwardly looking around. Music was pumping and girls jumping on stage. I felt awkward but good. Of course eyes were on me. Several tried to proposition and I casually discourage them all. I wander off to the washroom and on the way back almost out of nowhere Vi, the girl I met on my first night of adventure, jumps in front of me all smiles. She's nice and all, and we had a decent time, but I have no intention of repeating with her. Awkward moment. I say something about just here to hang and relax and she darts off. Ouch. Hey, what else am I suppose to do?

My goal was to find some Fils. None really to be had. I saw a couple by the bar near the stage eating skewers and drinking. One hot one obviously taken. The other not so hot, not taken. Oh well. Then I see a short cutey Fil pass by to the washroom. Whuuuh? Now I'm intrigued. She comes out and returns to her table. And there I see a small group of them. Now my previous awkward moments get dialed up a few notches. I wander past the group not really looking off to the bar for a beer. On my way back I make eye contact with one of the Fils. She smiles. I smile. I walk, double-take. She looks, smiles. Stupid me just keeps walking. Whimp. Now I'm back to my post with the intense western Chinese dudes drinking my beer. The earlier Fil I saw wander to the washroom catches my eye and we exchange a "What the hell is this place?" look. I take that as a cue, muster up some courage, and wander over to say hi. She's friendly, we talk. But as we talk I suddenly realize, oh crap, these girls aren't alone. Three girls three dude. Shiite. More awkwardness ensues. What the hell am I doing here, I'm thinking. Then suddenly, the not so hot Fil from near the bar wanders up and accosts me."Where you from?" She's totally wasted. Totally not attractive. Totally crude in an unappealing way. The Fil I'm talking to says she's a friend "You don't like her?" I'm thinking, I want to run and hide!

There's a silver lining.

Throughout all the nights I've wandered lately out to Judy's and Manhattans there's been this one Viet off in the distance that has always caught my eye. She's actually nothing that special to look at. Seems always in a simple blue dress and black dangerously thin stilettos. A real tiny spinner. Nice smile from afar. It always seemed like she was watching me. Ya, I know sounds creepy but it wasn't. Almost like we knew each other and we were exchanging smiling comments about the craziness I was going through. This night was no exception. She was pretty much right behind the table of Fils and had a near front row seat to all my embarrassing adventures. When the Fils decided they were packing up to leave, I slipped away aimlessly and ended up in front of my mystery girl in the blue dress.

Up close her face is not the most attractive. Hot legs. Nice ass. Tiny tits. I don't know why but there was still something about her that was intriguingly attractive. She seemed really shy and quiet. Coy. I smile and she push punches me in the chest like were a couple of 12 year olds."Why you smiling?" she says."Because I always see you smiling at me!" I say. One quick thing led to another and I decided I wanted to take her home. Part of me was thinking,"What the hell are you doing?". Whatever. I asked her price. She says 1000. Cool. Off we go. She was so grateful I was taking her home. I guess I can see that guys might pass her by because of her not so perfect looks. I obviously saw something they didn't. During the ride home she held on tight and had this real shy nervous schoolgirl vibe about her. At home she seemed fascinated with everything as if she had never seen anything so nice. I don't consider my place so nice. Maybe it's big but not nice. She was impressed, again in an intriguing schoolgirl way. She's young looking but I don't think she's that young. I hope not.

What followed really blew my mind. This meek shy tiny spinner of a girl turned into a tiger in bed. It seemed as though her entire body was one huge erogenous zone. A simple touch to her tits sent her writhing. A touch to her wet pussy had her quietly squealing. She's amazing kisser. We rolled around attached by the mouth for what seemed like forever. Then came the BBBJ. Holy WTF! I suppose you should never judge a book by it's cover. It was more fucking than sucking. Holy crap. Then the main event. Super tight and sensitive. She grabbed on to me for her dear life as we rocked away. In the end my friend was back in her mouth for more BBBJ and a CIM finish which surprised her a bit but no complaints.

Within an hour after cleaning up and seemingly both of us nodding off to sleep, we were at it again. This time ending in a standing leaning against the bedroom wall doggy pounding. Again, where the heck did this little spinner come from?

Again, cleaned up and she fell asleep in my arms.

In the morning we eased into another hot round 3.

We ended up laying around in bed until mid afternoon. She seemed in no rush to go home. We talked about each others families and this and that. Her english is really limited but we managed to communicate. Her friend kept calling to check up on her. She didn't want to budge. I was starting to wonder if she was going to end up being a problem, never wanting to leave. But before that thought finished going through my brain, she decided it was time to go home.

I sent her off and sat in disbelief. This little waif just blew my mind among other things. Part of me would want to repeat with her. Part of me, the shallower part, that's not so attracted by her face, thinks I should just move on. But she's a tough show to follow. Even my hot friend Kim who I've repeated already wasn't as passionate as this little spinner.

And after all this, I don't even know her name.

Oh, it's such a hard hard mongering life. LOL.

[Sh Surprise]

Wednesday: Manhattans.

I started out Wednesday evening at Manhattans. I was expecting to be dead and not expecting to stay. Surprisingly it was rather busy and it was barely 11PM!

That sounds like the Manhattans that I know. Not sure why "JohnnyVegas" had a bad report from his last visit. Still no news on my inquiry? :

Anybody seen Luyen lately, a well-endowed young Viet girl at Manhattans (sometimes Malones)? Haven't seen her around in about a month. Any news on her, or any stories to share?

[Golly Woggle]

She specifically told me not to mention a price, so I'm sure we will make it clear with you on QQ.

Oops. I mean. SHE will make it clear. Not "WE". No, I'm not a pimp, just an over-tired monger with no sense of spell check.

[Golly Woggle]

(had network issues while posting this. note to moderator: please delete if this is a duplicate)

so, i celebrated my first four free evenings in shanghai with a bit of a marathon.

first off, my negotiation skills still suck (or i'm still just to f'ing nice) , and i only managed 1500 lt and 1000 st from manhattan / judy's. two years ago i was able to get 1000 lt with no haggling with an awesome little viet. but not so this time.

any way.

wednesday: manhattans a passing girl and a girlie bar.

i started out wednesday evening at manhattans. i was expecting to be dead and not expecting to stay. surprisingly it was rather busy and it was barely 11pm! i sat by the bar trying hard not the make prolonged eye contact. my goal was to relax drink and watch. without making prolonged eye contact. it didn't work. i was quickly scoped out by. uh, ya. a viet girl. i played coy for a while but she made her way over and we started chatting."what's your name? where are you from?." to be honest, i actually enjoyed this little chat game. she was actually quite fun to talk with. even though she wasn't exactly my type, i couldn't help myself. her name is vi. probably like 30% of the rest of the girls. a little cury. awesome smile. she tends to hang out by the bar closer to the door with her gals. like i said, for some reason i couldn't help myself and we ended up heading out for a lt. here's where my negotiation skills proved extremely rusty. 1500 was the ask. i whined a bit. she whined a bit. and i caved. yes, shame on me. back at my place i got a better look at her body. a bit soft. a bit chubby. the scar. i'd say she's likely in her mid 30s. again, i kind of knew this walking in but i suppose i was dreaming that maybe i would be surprised. one thing for sure, the service was great. she was extremely passionate. great kisser. loved daty. great bbbj. wild main event. she definitely loves sex. she basically did not let me rest before starting a second round. no main event the second time but a long blow and at some point to my surprise she had her finger up my. ya, that. i don't get finger raped that often, but it wasn't bad. she did a good job of exhausting me. she asked if i felt like sleeping. i responded, uh. ya, you just killed me. she laughed and said, well, if you sleep, i'll go home now. i didn't argue. ok, so technically i got a bit ripped off. i probably should have known better. oh well, chalk it up to being rusty.

after she left, for some reason i had the urge to look for my wallet. i think i was a little too full of beer and wasn't quite sure what the heck had been going on. well, my instinct to search seemed justified. my wallet was gone. sadly my first reaction was that she took it. i'll quickly say, i was wrong. she's innocent. but i have to admit at the time i was steaming. enough so that suddenly i was no longer exhausted. i quickly threw on some clothes and ran out determined to find her in manhattans. and guess what. just outside my condo. laying in the dark. my wallet. with everything still there. i guess i really was more drunk than i thought and let my wallet fall to the ground when i got out of the taxi.

a funny thing then happened. suddenly i felt like going out again. even though sufficiently drained by miss vi, i wanted more. i wandered off to a bank machine to replenish my funds. as i wandered out into the dark a cute chinese girl walking by caught my eye and she suddenly says "hi". i was. uh,"hi?". she walked by and i walked off. for some reason i looked back. and she was looking back. i waved. she waved back. weird. she looks back again but keeps walking. she turns a corner. and i decide to start walking in her direction. i pass where she turned and she's still looking back. i wave and she waves again. again. weird. in the end i did nothing and kept walking. not sure if i had had the balls to pursue this if it would have turned out to be an invitation. at the time i felt a bit creepy and decided to walk off.

i decided i wanted to check out the girlie bars behind the eton in pudong. see for myself. i hopped in a cab and headed out towards eton. it was about 3:30am at the time. i walked by the string of bars and ended up in one near the east end of the string. to be honest i don't quite remember the name. it's a small place. filipina tending bar another sat beside me. there were two young chinese girls there. one i didn't even notice until she started giving me a shoulder massage. the girl behind the bar. i believe her name is lisa, was fun to talk with. so funny, i so much with her i pretty much had ignored the girl massaging me. eventually they asked if i wanted to buy them some drinks. for some reason, i decided to be more savvy here in a girlie bar. i asked lisa to be nice to me. that i knew how this worked. she smiled and seemed to respect this. i ended up just buying drinks for the girl behind me. who turned out to be pretty cute. but very shy. after a while another chinese girl. a little chubbier (name jessie). came up. interesting, she was obviously more sexed up in her approach. lisa laughs and says "she's the upgrade". here's where i caved a bit again. i ended up buying drinks for both girls. to be honest we had a lot of fun. i had to check the bill every now and then to keep tabs on what i was spending. they were honest. actually it turned out lisa had been a bit nice and was apparently undercharging me. another girl had eventually taken over behind the bar and made some comment when i asked to add up the bill."lisa charged wrong." oh well, lucky me. by the time i rolled out of the bar i had spent 1600 rmb. no "fun" was had. but we still had a lot of fun. i think i would be more direct next time and stick to one girl to keep the cost down but i definitely wasn't cheated.

thursday: judy's and manhattans.

the next night i started off at judy's. it was just past 11pm. the last time i was in shanghai two years ago i had spent a lot of time at judy's with a great group of filipina girls. sadly it seems these girls have all disappeared or at least i haven't seen them around yet. has anyone else noticed less fil's in shanghai lately?

anyway, i decided this night i would be more particular about who i went home with. a little less rust.

i sat at an empty table at the side near the door beside a table of a couple of viet girls. they kept to themselves. something i like about judy's. the vibe is less intense and the girls less aggressive (in general). well, that quickly ended. a really hot viet girl wearing practically nothing made a be-line to my table. i'll be honest, i have to give her points for personality for the way she propositioned me. said could even go back to her place. ya she was hot, but i had just arrived and a bit put off by the aggression. the two of us played cat and mouse for an hour before i had to flatly tell her "no". in a very nice way. she respected that. and that was that. i've seen her since the next days and she leaves me alone. perhaps my loss but. hey. whatever. for a good part of the evening i was eyed and approached by a few more viet girls. one, another of the older set, gave me a free leg massage. i held my ground. at one point, another really hot viet ended up sitting in the table beside me. quiet girl. didn't approach me. just smiled when we made eye contact. eventually the girls started packing up to leave. even the hot one beside me gets dressed. they all leave. the hot one then suddenly returns and is sitting beside me again. i look at her. she smiles. says her friends are all going to manhattan and she asks if i want to go. sure. whatever. so i go. it was freezing so we hopped in a taxi and took the quick trip up the street and over. now i'm arm in arm with this hot girl who hasn't once yet tried to proposition me. nice. we wander into a still packed manhattans. into the back and meet up with a few of her friends. i end up buying my hot friend some drinks as well as for her older friend who somehow seems to really like me. the friend is a real tease and kind of knows i like the hot one better. teases me about making sure my hot friend gives me at least 4 shots tonight. we all laugh. i still haven't been propositioned. we drink. we dance. in the end my new hot friend and i look at each other and decide, what the heck. of course, i always seem to cave some place. i agree once again for 1500 lt. but honestly, this girl, named kim. 5 foot nothing slim. awesome face smile eyes. something unique about the simple beauty of the whole package compared to many. she just made me melt. she turned out to be a real sweet heart. and she actually stayed the whole night. f'ing awesome bbbj. omg. great kisser. seemed to enjoy daty. sex awesome. a real sweet gfe vibe about the whole night. not your typical viet pse wham-bam experience. it was so late, we only managed one shot before sleeping and then another when we woke.

friday: judy's and manhattans.

next evening i head to manhattans again. it was insanely busy just before 11:30pm. i bailed quickly and headed back to judy's. which was also insanely packed. i squeeze into the back and end up with a group of friendly chaps. an irishman named fin (i think) and his brit and scott buddies. of course i'm approached by an older viet girl. i held my ground again. eventually my new hot friend kim wanders past. we have an awkward passing. like surprised to see each other. i wasn't quite sure how to take it. whatever.

then another viet approaches me. actually quite hot. named linda. pretty aggressive. typical. but hot hot hot. like the first one from thursday, she even wanted to take me back to her place. i say no. too early. she wanders off after getting 100 off me for her time. i'm a sucker and give it to her. hey, i didn't even buy her drinks and i got a nice. uh. feel of her for a while. so i figured. whatever.

soon after, kim's older friend finds me and rushes over to flirt. how many shots did i get from kim she asks. i say i don't kiss and tell. her older friend is quite cool. fun but just not my type. she really worked hard this evening to get me to take her home. but in a very indirect way. never propositioned me. just flirted like hell. kept pointing to other viet girls and asked if i liked this one or that one. i smiled. she even points out linda and says she's "really good". i smile. eventually she brings kim over and what had earlier been an awkward passing by now become a really fun evening with two girls. i bought them drinks and they pushed me into the tequila line. i was toast. we all headed to manhattan around 4am and had some more fun. by this time kim's older friend was being more direct to get me to take her home. i told her i was too drunk to be of any use. she wouldn't give up. i had to say no. she was disappointed but took it better than the hotter younger aggressive girl i had turned down at judy's the night before. this one is a class act. she wandered off to flirt with some other guys and left me alone with kim. we continued drinking dancing kissing holding. damn. was i on a date with this girl? lol. i know. no. but it felt like it. i was honest with her. even earlier at judy's that i likely was not in any mood or shape to take anyone home. she seemed cool with that. in the end i told her i had to go home and sleep it off. we said goodbye and i left. oh. of course before i had the chance to leave, kim's older friend made one last ditch attempt to sell herself. all in a fun way. we exchanged kisses and i was off. no sex that night but a fun night was had by all.

saturday: malones (too quick to almost mention) manhattans and judy's again. pushing the limits of lack of sleep.

despite not having much of anything to do during the day, i still didn't get much sleep to offset my 4 nights of fun. even still, i had the energy to head out one more time. headed to malones first but was out within a minute. tons of guys and very few girls. one hot filipina sitting with a bunch of guys. unattended to but i felt a bit awkward approaching her with the strong male vibe in the room. dunno why. just whimped out. and left. wandered back to manhattan again. again. crazy busy. made my way to the back by the washroom and awkwardly stood there trying to look cool. eventually. you guessed it. i was approached by another viet. this one named apple. this one intrigued me. she had a real fun personality. a real flirt. and when i got a closer look at her. pretty damn hot. not as hot as kim but not bad at all. and young too. 5 foot nothing. shiney silver high heels. short shorts. long dyed brown hair. english not so hot but real fun to talk to. she was aggressive. but i didn't mind this one. we drank a few danced. flirted. yadda yadda. it was early so i insisted we just do short time. i probably still caved by accepting 1000 for st. whatever. again. we headed back to my place and spent most of the time in the taxi with our tongues down each others throats. it turns out i made a good call with apple. she was awesome in bed. bbbj daty lots of kissing. awesome main event. she's only here until mid february. i think she's worth seeing if you can find her.

apple leaves. i wash up. i now head out to judy's. it's almost 2am. pretty soon after i arrive. my hot friend kim shows up. no awkward passing look this time. all smiles. asks if i want to be with her. i say. oh ya. she's all happy and we spend a good few hours drinking and dancing and yadda yadda. home we go and this night was even better than the first. yup, i paid the same 1500 lt. i got to be careful. i'm going to fall for this girl if i don't keep my senses about me. i actually forced myself to write this long post to kick the reality back into my head that this is all p4p.

my goal now is to find where all the fils are at. i saw a few at judy's but not like 2 years ago. was i at malones too early? is there another hangout they're at? or are the numbers just down this time?

thanks for reading to end of this ramble.

[Lurkingdog]

If you haven't heard or read of this practice yet. BEWARE.

If you don't happen to be walking around with a stack of red Mao's totaling 39000 rmb in your pocket, he'll ask about your credit cards and tell you to just pay with that. You say you don't have them or enough credit for 39000 rmb. He asks if you lie to him? Hmmm. What do you do now. What do you tell him? He says that he will try to use your credit cards and that you better not lie to him. So what do you do. How do you make it out of here alive? How do you negotiate your life? Do you pay? Even if you pay, will they still beat you, or kill you, or kidnap you so your family pays more money. Remember, this is CHINA as he reminded you. Things work different here. Maybe you will think of something? Did you learn your lesson? What country will you go to next looking for some sexy girls? What are their rules? How will it work there? Next time you want a Happy Ending. WILL IT END HAPPY?

Johnny. Thanks for sharing and sorry you went through that. I just wanted to add my 2 RMB and say that it's not just in Shanghai. There are also some very frightening stories about touts in the Shinjuku area in Tokyo where mongers have become "ill" after consuming some of the drinks provided in a tout-directed bar and / or being given a bar bill that is totally outrageous. And this is only with the girls sitting with them, not even sitting ON them.

Stay safe.

LD

[Golly Woggle]

I'm not clear on the rules for posting QQ numbers, so I'll play it safe and leave it to a PM for those that want. If I'm allowed, let me know and I'll edit this post.

For now I'll just say her name is 911mm. Ya, I know, WTF? Trust me, this girl is awesome. You should be able to find her on QQ with that name.

I met up today with a girl I had the luck to find in one of the sauna's a while back. I have been lucky to meet a few sauna girls outside of work and she is definitely one of the best. I can't say if she still works at a sauna since I haven't seen her at one in while. Regardless, she seems now to prefer meeting guys through QQ and she specifically asked me to spread the word on ISG. When I last met her two years ago she had asked something similar, but this time around she wanted all you guys to know. If you're lucky to have her let you met her, some of you may recognize who she is.

She's f'ing hot. 5 foot nothing. Double Ds on a slim and smooth flawless body. Great ass. Long black hair. A really sweet face.

She's a really sweet girl too. She comes across a little quiet but don't let that fool you.

Service is great. She goes through the sauna play list but. At least this time around. With a nice BBBJ twist. She started with the BBBJ and would continue to intermix it with various stages of the sauna massage stuff. It felt like she had her lips wrapped around my friend for half the time I was there. I'm sure it wasn't that long but it was. Great! Surprisingly she hadn't depleted me before the main event. Rocking that hot body is a sight to be seen. Uh, seeing her body. Not mine.

Location: Pudong. She'll do the typical QQ thing with you to get you to her place once she's vetted you online.

Price: you'll have to discuss that with her. Oddly enough, I've never talked $ with her. I always just handed her a "tip" at the end of our "meeting". And she's never complained. She specifically told me not to mention a price, so I'm sure we will make it clear with you on QQ.

Pix: I have but she asked me not to post and have you get all that on QQ. She has a ton of "glamour" shots that she started to do a couple of years ago. All very amazing. And yes all her. Just all glam'd up. My personal feeling is that she really didn't need to do those kind of shots. She's naturally hot and IMHO doesn't need any "photographic help".

One thing which is typical of most QQ girls, you should be comfortable with at least a bit of Mandarin. And have a decent translator on your phone. She speaks zero english. Zero. But, my Mandarin kind of sucks and I've still managed to communicate with her. We just whip out our phones every now and then.

Enjoy

[Mike921]

I don't know how often this was said here on this Shanghai forum. Maybe we should arrange a weekly warning function.

NEVER EVER follow a tout on the street in Shanghai, no matter how appealing it seems or how pretty the girl is.

Lev.

Lev's right, NEVER go with ANYone, male or female, especially seemingly innocent 'students'. They could even claim to be ABC, use a few idioms or slang words / phrases. They are very good at what they do.

[ShangHangin]

Thanks for MadDog and Johny being honest. It has been said many times and should be repeated. Never follow a tout, no matter what country you are in! Remember what your mom taught you. Don't talk to strangers. And what could be stranger that a guy on the street trying to get you to get in a car with him.

There are so many options in Shanghai (and all over China) that there is no need to follow a tout or call an outcall girl out of the newspaper. Both will bring you sorrow and empty your wallet.

Enough said.

SH.

Johnny,

With the detailed description, sounds like it happened to you. Sorry. Happened to me exactly like that. I felt stupid as I knew better, scammed in a way it was hard to get over. Vengeful and more. I tired to hide the ccards with higher limits on them but they found them. I ended up giving them a couple of cards to pay and then signed a different way. Threw the cards on a busy street and then disputed the charges back home. Didn't feel completely honest about it but F'them.

So, just wanted to let you know you are not the first or only to have it happen to you.

Again, as said over and over, NEVER follow a Tout!

In the end, an expensive lesson. Again, I feel you bro.

MD40.

[Maddog40]

Johnny,

With the detailed description, sounds like it happened to you. Sorry. Happened to me exactly like that. I felt stupid as I knew better, scammed in a way it was hard to get over. Vengeful and more. I tired to hide the ccards with higher limits on them but they found them. I ended up giving them a couple of cards to pay and then signed a different way. Threw the cards on a busy street and then disputed the charges back home. Didn't feel completely honest about it but F'them.

So, just wanted to let you know you are not the first or only to have it happen to you.

Again, as said over and over, NEVER follow a Tout!

In the end, an expensive lesson. Again, I feel you bro.

MD40.

If you haven't heard or read of this practice yet. BEWARE. Unlike the tuk tuk drivers in Thailand that just take you to a higher priced soapy. In China it could be a lot worse. So a guy on the street asks you if you want a massage and may even show you some pictures of some sexy girls on business cards and tells you it's only 300 rmb for everything included. FS too. Seems like a nice enough guy so you go along with him. He may even jump in a taxi with you and say it's only a 3 minute ride or 15 rmb ride to this good place. He knows the manager and shows you a VIP card. He'll tell you it's a big place with lots of girls to choose from. He'll tell you that you can get a massage, BJ, FS. Etc. You arrive at a decent looking place and it looks like a KTV. You go in, sit on the couch, and the mamasan brings some girls in for the lineup. Pretty girls so you pick one. She comes over and sits next to you on the couch and the mamasan tells you to talk to the girl for awhile and get to know each other. They are busy and you have to wait for a room They offer you a beer or water. They bring some lady drinks in. You confirm the price just to be sure. 100 for massage and then 200 more for FS. She puts the TV on with some music. The girl starts hugging you, massaging your neck, grabbing your crotch, pulling her top down and you can play with her boobs. She may ask for the 100 rmb now for the massage and then you pay 200 for FS later. OK, so you take out 100 and put it on the table. Hmmm. Really good so far. As you talk, she grabs the bulge in your pants now that you're excited and you keep playing with her boobs and grabbing and hugging her all over. Then the door opens and another girl comes in. The original girl may say she has her monthly and can't have FS. Especially if you originally picked the prettiest one. She may or may not ever do FS but she got you to play so far. She tells you this is her sister and she will do FS. She's a pretty sexy girl so it doesn't matter. The original girls leaves and the new one starts straddling you and warming you up. You're all excited again. She gets up and shuts the light off. You ask what's going on and she says they are still very busy so we do FS here. WOW. Sex in a KTV room. That's pretty cool. You get naked and pound her every which way. On the couch, from behind with her on the couch. Great, wild sex. All done. Clean up with some tissues and you're all set. She puts the light on. You pay her the 200 and then the mamasan and waiter walks in. They ask if you had a good time and you say YES, but that you didn't like that they switched girls and never had an upstairs massage room, but all in all you are pretty happy. Now the mamasan asks for 300 rmb more for her tip. She brought the girls in for you. And the kung fu looking waiter asks for his tip. 200 more for him. You say. Common. Enough is enough. They persist. OK, what to do. You try to give a lower tip to each but they insist on 300 and 200 as tips. OK, what to do? You're in the room with only them. So you give the tip or a lesser tip and get up to leave. Now the manager walks in and asks how everything was. You say good. But that you didn't like the fact they switched the room and the girl but it was still a good time. He tells you to sit down and talk to him. He wants to be sure everyone had a good time and that the customer is happy. You again say YES. Now he uses a louder, firmer voice and says that he wants to tell you how it really works here. The funny, friendly waiter. Yeah that Kung Fu looking dude is now standing in front of the door acting as a bodyguard for the manager. The manager goes on to tell you how it really is. He asks why you trust a stranger on the street and get into a taxi with him to go to a club that you don't know in an area that you don't know. Hmmm. You ask yourself the same question and how you could be so stupid! You think to yourself, well, you've done it before in other countries and never had a problem. But now that you think of it you realize that you might have just been lucky. If you play with fire enough times, sooner or later you will get burned. The manager goes on to explain that THIS IS CHINA. You are not in America, or England or whatever your home country it. He says that what you just did with the girl is illegal in China. How can you think that you can do this in China without them providing a safe place for you to do it. A nice room, with couches, TV, beer, etc. He tells you that you can come from your country to CHINA to do all this because he provides security. He has to pay the police so that you have a chance to come here to CHINA and have sex with these girls. Something not legal in China. Now he tells you that you have to pay for the room. Remember the fun time you had screwing that pretty girl in the KTV room. He says the bill for the room is 39000 rmb. 39000 you ask. Yes 39000. In your head you start doing the exchange rate. Wow, you can't even think of how much that is. OH. And while you're doing this, Kung Fu man #2 comes in. He's even bigger than the other guy and he stands in the room too, blocking the door. You try to stay calm. You tell the manager that you don't have 39000 and he says, no problem. They take credit cards. You tell him again that you don't have that kind of money. He says, well you are from America, England, whatever. And that you are a rich guy. You make good money. He tells you that this only happens once to you. And that maybe you learn now so this never happens again. He asks if you will trust a stranger on the street again, or did you learn? If you want to call the police, no problem.

[Fritobugger]

She called it Feng Ding Source! Many thanks!

It might be the old Feng Ding Yuan sauna (where red rope was available about 2 years ago). Its in the same building block of the nanjing xi lu fake marked. The entrance is in an alley (mostly a parking entrance) between beijing and nanjing xi, to the west of Chengdu lu. Look up either from Nanjing or Beijing and you might see the massage sign.

[Levitian]

I don't know how often this was said here on this Shanghai forum. Maybe we should arrange a weekly warning function.

NEVER EVER follow a tout on the street in Shanghai, no matter how appealing it seems or how pretty the girl is.

Lev.

If you haven't heard or read of this practice yet. BEWARE. Unlike the tuk tuk drivers in Thailand that just take you to a higher priced soapy. In China it could be a lot worse. So a guy on the street asks you if you want a massage and may even show you some pictures of some sexy girls on business cards and tells you it's only 300 rmb for everything included. FS too. Seems like a nice enough guy so you go along with him. He may even jump in a taxi with you and say it's only a 3 minute ride or 15 rmb ride to this good place. He knows the manager and shows you a VIP card. He'll tell you it's a big place with lots of girls to choose from. He'll tell you that you can get a massage, BJ, FS. Etc. You arrive at a decent looking place and it looks like a KTV. You go in, sit on the couch, and the mamasan brings some girls in for the lineup. Pretty girls so you pick one. She comes over and sits next to you on the couch and the mamasan tells you to talk to the girl for awhile and get to know each other. They are busy and you have to wait for a room They offer you a beer or water. They bring some lady drinks in. You confirm the price just to be sure. 100 for massage and then 200 more for FS. She puts the TV on with some music. The girl starts hugging you, massaging your neck, grabbing your crotch, pulling her top down and you can play with her boobs. She may ask for the 100 rmb now for the massage and then you pay 200 for FS later. OK, so you take out 100 and put it on the table. Hmmm. Really good so far. As you talk, she grabs the bulge in your pants now that you're excited and you keep playing with her boobs and grabbing and hugging her all over. Then the door opens and another girl comes in. The original girl may say she has her monthly and can't have FS. Especially if you originally picked the prettiest one. She may or may not ever do FS but she got you to play so far. She tells you this is her sister and she will do FS. She's a pretty sexy girl so it doesn't matter. The original girls leaves and the new one starts straddling you and warming you up. You're all excited again. She gets up and shuts the light off. You ask what's going on and she says they are still very busy so we do FS here. WOW. Sex in a KTV room. That's pretty cool. You get naked and pound her every which way. On the couch, from behind with her on the couch. Great, wild sex. All done. Clean up with some tissues and you're all set. She puts the light on. You pay her the 200 and then the mamasan and waiter walks in. They ask if you had a good time and you say YES, but that you didn't like that they switched girls and never had an upstairs massage room, but all in all you are pretty happy. Now the mamasan asks for 300 rmb more for her tip. She brought the girls in for you. And the kung fu looking waiter asks for his tip. 200 more for him. You say. Common. Enough is enough. They persist. OK, what to do. You try to give a lower tip to each but they insist on 300 and 200 as tips. OK, what to do? You're in the room with only them. So you give the tip or a lesser tip and get up to leave. Now the manager walks in and asks how everything was. You say good. But that you didn't like the fact they switched the room and the girl but it was still a good time. He tells you to sit down and talk to him. He wants to be sure everyone had a good time and that the customer is happy. You again say YES. Now he uses a louder, firmer voice and says that he wants to tell you how it really works here. The funny, friendly waiter. Yeah that Kung Fu looking dude is now standing in front of the door acting as a bodyguard for the manager. The manager goes on to tell you how it really is. He asks why you trust a stranger on the street and get into a taxi with him to go to a club that you don't know in an area that you don't know. Hmmm. You ask yourself the same question and how you could be so stupid! You think to yourself, well, you've done it before in other countries and never had a problem. But now that you think of it you realize that you might have just been lucky. If you play with fire enough times, sooner or later you will get burned. The manager goes on to explain that THIS IS CHINA. You are not in America, or England or whatever your home country it. He says that what you just did with the girl is illegal in China. How can you think that you can do this in China without them providing a safe place for you to do it. A nice room, with couches, TV, beer, etc. He tells you that you can come from your country to CHINA to do all this because he provides security. He has to pay the police so that you have a chance to come here to CHINA and have sex with these girls. Something not legal in China. Now he tells you that you have to pay for the room. Remember the fun time you had screwing that pretty girl in the KTV room. He says the bill for the room is 39000 rmb. 39000 you ask. Yes 39000. In your head you start doing the exchange rate. Wow, you can't even think of how much that is. OH. And while you're doing this, Kung Fu man #2 comes in. He's even bigger than the other guy and he stands in the room too, blocking the door. You try to stay calm. You tell the manager that you don't have 39000 and he says, no problem. They take credit cards. You tell him again that you don't have that kind of money. He says, well you are from America, England, whatever. And that you are a rich guy. You make good money. He tells you that this only happens once to you. And that maybe you learn now so this never happens again. He asks if you will trust a stranger on the street again, or did you learn? If you want to call the police, no problem. That is the security that he has to pay and that is why he needs the money from you! He asks you to take everything out of your pockets. All your cash and to count it. You look up at the 2 Kung Fu dudes. You're in a room with one way out, upstairs on the 2nd floor. Your mind races trying to think of what to do. If you don't pay it, will they beat you, or kill you, or just cut out your kidneys to sell them, and leave you dying in an alley somewhere? Is your life worth 39000 rmb? Most people might think so. If you don't happen to be walking around with a stack of red Mao's totaling 39000 rmb in your pocket, he'll ask about your credit cards and tell you to just pay with that. You say you don't have them or enough credit for 39000 rmb. He asks if you lie to him? Hmmm. What do you do now. What do you tell him? He says that he will try to use your credit cards and that you better not lie to him. So what do you do. How do you make it out of here alive? How do you negotiate your life? Do you pay? Even if you pay, will they still beat you, or kill you, or kidnap you so your family pays more money. Remember, this is CHINA as he reminded you. Things work different here. Maybe you will think of something? Did you learn your lesson? What country will you go to next looking for some sexy girls? What are their rules? How will it work there? Next time you want a Happy Ending. WILL IT END HAPPY?

[JohnnyVegas]

If you haven't heard or read of this practice yet. BEWARE. Unlike the tuk tuk drivers in Thailand that just take you to a higher priced soapy. In China it could be a lot worse. So a guy on the street asks you if you want a massage and may even show you some pictures of some sexy girls on business cards and tells you it's only 300 rmb for everything included. FS too. Seems like a nice enough guy so you go along with him. He may even jump in a taxi with you and say it's only a 3 minute ride or 15 rmb ride to this good place. He knows the manager and shows you a VIP card. He'll tell you it's a big place with lots of girls to choose from. He'll tell you that you can get a massage, BJ, FS. Etc. You arrive at a decent looking place and it looks like a KTV. You go in, sit on the couch, and the mamasan brings some girls in for the lineup. Pretty girls so you pick one. She comes over and sits next to you on the couch and the mamasan tells you to talk to the girl for awhile and get to know each other. They are busy and you have to wait for a room They offer you a beer or water. They bring some lady drinks in. You confirm the price just to be sure. 100 for massage and then 200 more for FS. She puts the TV on with some music. The girl starts hugging you, massaging your neck, grabbing your crotch, pulling her top down and you can play with her boobs. She may ask for the 100 rmb now for the massage and then you pay 200 for FS later. OK, so you take out 100 and put it on the table. Hmmm. Really good so far. As you talk, she grabs the bulge in your pants now that you're excited and you keep playing with her boobs and grabbing and hugging her all over. Then the door opens and another girl comes in. The original girl may say she has her monthly and can't have FS. Especially if you originally picked the prettiest one. She may or may not ever do FS but she got you to play so far. She tells you this is her sister and she will do FS. She's a pretty sexy girl so it doesn't matter. The original girls leaves and the new one starts straddling you and warming you up. You're all excited again. She gets up and shuts the light off. You ask what's going on and she says they are still very busy so we do FS here. WOW. Sex in a KTV room. That's pretty cool. You get naked and pound her every which way. On the couch, from behind with her on the couch. Great, wild sex. All done. Clean up with some tissues and you're all set. She puts the light on. You pay her the 200 and then the mamasan and waiter walks in. They ask if you had a good time and you say YES, but that you didn't like that they switched girls and never had an upstairs massage room, but all in all you are pretty happy. Now the mamasan asks for 300 rmb more for her tip. She brought the girls in for you. And the kung fu looking waiter asks for his tip. 200 more for him. You say. Common. Enough is enough. They persist. OK, what to do. You try to give a lower tip to each but they insist on 300 and 200 as tips. OK, what to do? You're in the room with only them. So you give the tip or a lesser tip and get up to leave. Now the manager walks in and asks how everything was. You say good. But that you didn't like the fact they switched the room and the girl but it was still a good time. He tells you to sit down and talk to him. He wants to be sure everyone had a good time and that the customer is happy. You again say YES. Now he uses a louder, firmer voice and says that he wants to tell you how it really works here. The funny, friendly waiter. Yeah that Kung Fu looking dude is now standing in front of the door acting as a bodyguard for the manager. The manager goes on to tell you how it really is. He asks why you trust a stranger on the street and get into a taxi with him to go to a club that you don't know in an area that you don't know. Hmmm. You ask yourself the same question and how you could be so stupid! You think to yourself, well, you've done it before in other countries and never had a problem. But now that you think of it you realize that you might have just been lucky. If you play with fire enough times, sooner or later you will get burned. The manager goes on to explain that THIS IS CHINA. You are not in America, or England or whatever your home country it. He says that what you just did with the girl is illegal in China. How can you think that you can do this in China without them providing a safe place for you to do it. A nice room, with couches, TV, beer, etc. He tells you that you can come from your country to CHINA to do all this because he provides security. He has to pay the police so that you have a chance to come here to CHINA and have sex with these girls. Something not legal in China. Now he tells you that you have to pay for the room. Remember the fun time you had screwing that pretty girl in the KTV room. He says the bill for the room is 39000 rmb. 39000 you ask. Yes 39000. In your head you start doing the exchange rate. Wow, you can't even think of how much that is. OH. And while you're doing this, Kung Fu man #2 comes in. He's even bigger than the other guy and he stands in the room too, blocking the door. You try to stay calm. You tell the manager that you don't have 39000 and he says, no problem. They take credit cards. You tell him again that you don't have that kind of money. He says, well you are from America, England, whatever. And that you are a rich guy. You make good money. He tells you that this only happens once to you. And that maybe you learn now so this never happens again. He asks if you will trust a stranger on the street again, or did you learn? If you want to call the police, no problem. That is the security that he has to pay and that is why he needs the money from you! He asks you to take everything out of your pockets. All your cash and to count it. You look up at the 2 Kung Fu dudes. You're in a room with one way out, upstairs on the 2nd floor. Your mind races trying to think of what to do. If you don't pay it, will they beat you, or kill you, or just cut out your kidneys to sell them, and leave you dying in an alley somewhere? Is your life worth 39000 rmb? Most people might think so. If you don't happen to be walking around with a stack of red Mao's totaling 39000 rmb in your pocket, he'll ask about your credit cards and tell you to just pay with that. You say you don't have them or enough credit for 39000 rmb. He asks if you lie to him? Hmmm. What do you do now. What do you tell him? He says that he will try to use your credit cards and that you better not lie to him. So what do you do. How do you make it out of here alive? How do you negotiate your life? Do you pay? Even if you pay, will they still beat you, or kill you, or kidnap you so your family pays more money. Remember, this is CHINA as he reminded you. Things work different here. Maybe you will think of something? Did you learn your lesson? What country will you go to next looking for some sexy girls? What are their rules? How will it work there? Next time you want a Happy Ending. WILL IT END HAPPY?

[ShaveThatThing]

Just got a message from her that she's back to Shanghai. Since the original post, she has formed quite a fan base in this forum. She asked me to post a message and let the fans know that she's back in town. It has been a pretty interesting experience knowing her. She's not clinging, very open and funny and knows exactly what she want in addition to her good skills and attitudes.

Please let us know, how much the damage in this sauna is, will ya? Cheers!