Robbed walking on the street near L. A. Cafe

[PinkPearl]

Well, seriously, do you think all the victims go and report their incidents to the cops? Especially foreigners?

Well, no, of course not.

Especially the dead ones my post was focused on.

[Econo Tech]

Actually if you reread my post, I was not stating what I think re AC, but asking two questions. Those squigly symbols at the end of sentences are what is known as question marks.

Really? The following news report said the number of murders in AC was below the world, USA, and Thailand averages:

http://www.angelescity.com/index.php?newsID=297

In that light it doesn't sound so bad, eh?

The murder rate in AC, according to the above url, is not much different than the rest of PI, & lower than Thailand where I have been spending a lot of time every year since 2007.

I've been in places more dangerous than those, but why bother when BKK or AC are far superior both in safety, price & pussy?

Well, seriously, do you think all the victims go and report their incidents to the cops? Especially foreigners? More often, the foreigner gets promptly deported so the case goes into cold storage.

[PinkPearl]

You could of course move to Pattaya. A quick perusal through the pattayadailynews. Com would make you think manila was a playground. Guys falling off buildings on a daily basis, BG's doing same. Drugs, road accidents, drownings. Pattaya really seems to have it all according to the news reports.

Out of necessity I'm requiring an alternative to Thailand, hence AC as a strong candidate, but it's true, a lot of shit seems to happen in Pattaya. Also Phuket.

Although as a foreigner it's more what's happening to foreigners in such places that concerns me, especially in monger zones I'd be living in, rather than what the locals are doing to themselves & each other.

In Thailand I seem to recall some tourists being knifed & killed by Thais. Perhaps they were out at late at night, alone, with no one else around, except their assailants, so not a situation I'd find myself in, either in BKK, elsewhere in LOS, or in AC or Manilla.

If you accept this premise, then your reasoning may be correct. It's probably better you don't put yourself in a vulnerable position by going to Manila. So if your intention is to go only to AC, then you should make your flight plans to take you directly into Clark Field and avoid NAIA in Manila altogether. If you were to fly into NAIA, there are generally three ways to get from there to AC: 1) take a cab or pre-arranged car from the airport to AC [most expensive]; 2) take a cab to one of the small Ermita hotels (Swagman or Southern Cross) that have regular shuttle buses to AC [less expensive, unless you stay overnight at the hotel]; or 3) take a cab to one of the bus terminals from which you can take a bus to AC (Baclaran, Cubao, Quiapo, etc.) [least expensive] All of these put you on the ground in Manila, in contact with average Filipinos, and therefore vulnerable to robberies and extortion. It's commendable you've done your homework.

Thank you for the detailed response. I've noticed some AC hotels will send a driver for pickup at the Manilla airport, but perhaps it would be safer to fly directly to Clark? Though I would assume the former airport is considerably less dangerous than hanging around LA Cafe in the wee hours of the morning.

[PinkPearl]

And you think AC is less dangerous LOL LOL LOL LOL. This FR cracks me up.

So funny that you think AC is less dangerous than Manila.

Actually if you reread my post, I was not stating what I think re AC, but asking two questions. Those squigly symbols at the end of sentences are what is known as question marks.

Read and you will see why I laugh so much. So many murders and assassinations in AC nowadays (or foreigners) compared with Manila. As SK says read the board there is nothing mentnioned for a long time.

Really? The following news report said the number of murders in AC was below the world, USA, and Thailand averages:

http://www.angelescity.com/index.php?newsID=297

In that light it doesn't sound so bad, eh?

So funny that you think AC is less dangerous than Manila. IMHO I don't think so and so do a few mates who left AC after many years of living there because it was getting dangerous

The murder rate in AC, according to the above url, is not much different than the rest of PI, & lower than Thailand where I have been spending a lot of time every year since 2007.

I think Chicago and NYC and parts of Africa where I travel to are far more dangerous but I still go there as I am sensible abput what I do and where I go.

I've been in places more dangerous than those, but why bother when BKK or AC are far superior both in safety, price & pussy?

[FreebieFan]

Firstly, this thread only represents what is probably a tiny fraction of the incidents with foreigners in Manila.

Secondly, there is some very good advice in it that is likely helping some people to avoid Manila's dangers that wouldn't even exist in a safe destination not called Manila.

Thirdly, if you think it's only drunks who are in danger, you need to read the thread again. Just being in Manila is "putting yourself into a vulnerable situation", if you've come from somewhere else that is relatively safe.

You could of course move to Pattaya. A quick perusal through the pattayadailynews. Com would make you think manila was a playground. Guys falling off buildings on a daily basis, BG's doing same. Drugs, road accidents, drownings. Pattaya really seems to have it all according to the news reports.

[Wicked Roger]

After reading this thread it is apparent there are serious safety issues in Manila.

How does that compare to Angeles City, and in particular the area along & around Fields Avenue?

Is the bar area in AC considerably less dangerous than Manila?

And you think AC is less dangerous LOL LOL LOL LOL. This FR cracks me up.

Read and you will see why I laugh so much. So many murders and assassinations in AC nowadays (or foreigners) compared with Manila. As SK says read the board there is nothing mentnioned for a long time.

You seem a tad wimpy / girlie so better stay away from the Philippines and let the more experienced and less scared monger enjoy the pussy LOL as all you will do is stay in your room and cry like a baby LOL.

So funny that you think AC is less dangerous than Manila. IMHO I don't think so and so do a few mates who left AC after many years of living there because it was getting dangerous

I think Chicago and NYC and parts of Africa where I travel to are far more dangerous but I still go there as I am sensible abput what I do and where I go. You generalise far too much PP so stay way is my advice

[Soapy Smith]

Thirdly, if you think it's only drunks who are in danger, you need to read the thread again. Just being in Manila is "putting yourself into a vulnerable situation", if you've come from somewhere else that is relatively safe.

If you accept this premise, then your reasoning may be correct. It's probably better you don't put yourself in a vulnerable position by going to Manila. So if your intention is to go only to AC, then you should make your flight plans to take you directly into Clark Field and avoid NAIA in Manila altogether. If you were to fly into NAIA, there are generally three ways to get from there to AC: 1) take a cab or pre-arranged car from the airport to AC [most expensive]; 2) take a cab to one of the small Ermita hotels (Swagman or Southern Cross) that have regular shuttle buses to AC [less expensive, unless you stay overnight at the hotel]; or 3) take a cab to one of the bus terminals from which you can take a bus to AC (Baclaran, Cubao, Quiapo, etc.) [least expensive] All of these put you on the ground in Manila, in contact with average Filipinos, and therefore vulnerable to robberies and extortion. It's commendable you've done your homework.

[PinkPearl]

If Manila is so dangerous, why have there been no robbery or extortion posts in this thread in more than a year and a half? Any city can be dangerous for people who get drunk or put themselves into vulnerable situations. Exercise good judgment and you're unlikely to have serious problems.

Firstly, this thread only represents what is probably a tiny fraction of the incidents with foreigners in Manila.

Secondly, there is some very good advice in it that is likely helping some people to avoid Manila's dangers that wouldn't even exist in a safe destination not called Manila.

Thirdly, if you think it's only drunks who are in danger, you need to read the thread again. Just being in Manila is "putting yourself into a vulnerable situation", if you've come from somewhere else that is relatively safe.

[Soapy Smith]

After reading this thread it is apparent there are serious safety issues in Manila.

If Manila is so dangerous, why have there been no robbery or extortion posts in this thread in more than a year and a half? Any city can be dangerous for people who get drunk or put themselves into vulnerable situations. Exercise good judgment and you're unlikely to have serious problems.

[PinkPearl]

After reading this thread it is apparent there are serious safety issues in Manila.

How does that compare to Angeles City, and in particular the area along & around Fields Avenue?

Is the bar area in AC considerably less dangerous than Manila?

[Chocha Monger]

Come on CM, are you telling me that #1 was packing (a gun) or I misread your statement?

You guys give too much credit for the wannabe gangsters. Unlike the real ones who will shoot for 50 peso and then think if it covered the cost of the ammo.

Econo Tech you got it lost in translation. She wasn't packing heat. She was packing meat! Longanisa to be more specific. :D

[Econo Tech]

gumby,

it is unlikely that robbery was the intent but [CodeWord123] certainly was on the menu. honey #1 was definitely packing and determined to play the 'crying game' with you. luckily you escaped with your brown eye intact sans bbbj.

come on cm, are you telling me that #1 was packing (a gun) or i misread your statement?

you guys give too much credit for the wannabe gangsters. unlike the real ones who will shoot for 50 peso and then think if it covered the cost of the ammo.

[OldLoad]

I lived in Manila for 3 years. I found it was best to always map out in advance (during the day) a safe path to get home at night.

Best thing to do is to find a local taxi guy you can trust. I bought a Toyota Corolla and hired a driver / bodyguard. Latter I was able to split the cost of the car and driver with 2 other ex pats. If you monger much in Manila, a local driver / bodyguard is cheap insurance.

[Chocha Monger]

this post isn't about being robbed, but about a suspicious interaction i had last month at mbc.

while chatting up a honey one afternoon, my ladyboy radar picked up a faint reading. knowing that ladyboys are not allowed in the bar, and the reading being tiny and brief, i dismissed it. we later agreed to meet at my room at palm plaza in about 20 minutes.

she seemed to take a lot longer than usual. about thirty minutes late, she finally shows up with a second honey in tow. i didn't remember seeing her at mbc earlier, when i was chatting up the first honey.

honey #1 explained that she was on her period, and offered her friend as an alternate. while her friend was a 10, the sudden switch and the fact that i couldn't remember seeing her in the bar set off alarms. concerned that honey #2 may be ****, and being turned off by the waste of time, i told them to split.

while listening to #1s protests, honey #2 roams around the room. i wasn't worried, because i had just returned, and my valuables were still locked up.

when i finally step up new york style, honey #1 shows a change in body language that was unusually aggressive for a filipina. oddly, honey #2 was all smiles and apologetic the whole time.

on their way out, i wondered if i avoided a scam or rip-off. anyone experience something like this recently? any comments? thanks.

gumby.

gumby,

it is unlikely that robbery was the intent but [CodeWord123] certainly was on the menu. honey #1 was definitely packing and determined to play the 'crying game' with you. luckily you escaped with your brown eye intact sans bbbj. :eek:

[Gumby2004]

this post isn't about being robbed, but about a suspicious interaction i had last month at mbc.

while chatting up a honey one afternoon, my ladyboy radar picked up a faint reading. knowing that ladyboys are not allowed in the bar, and the reading being tiny and brief, i dismissed it. we later agreed to meet at my room at palm plaza in about 20 minutes.

she seemed to take a lot longer than usual. about thirty minutes late, she finally shows up with a second honey in tow. i didn't remember seeing her at mbc earlier, when i was chatting up the first honey.

honey #1 explained that she was on her period, and offered her friend as an alternate. while her friend was a 10, the sudden switch and the fact that i couldn't remember seeing her in the bar set off alarms. concerned that honey #2 may be ****, and being turned off by the waste of time, i told them to split.

while listening to #1s protests, honey #2 roams around the room. i wasn't worried, because i had just returned, and my valuables were still locked up.

when i finally step up new york style, honey #1 shows a change in body language that was unusually aggressive for a filipina. oddly, honey #2 was all smiles and apologetic the whole time.

on their way out, i wondered if i avoided a scam or rip-off. anyone experience something like this recently? any comments? thanks.

gumby.