Kyiv

[Cruiser D]

Darn.

B.

Seriously, Ukainian girls are a lot of things but idiots isn't one of them. They already know what the game is all about, especially when it comes to foreign men.

She's not all that into you, put her on the back burner like she has so obviously done to you and find someone who sends you the right signals.

Part of the skill set in this game is knowing when to cut your loses.

[Cruiser D]

Guys,

Possible to meet nice single girls for a young rich boy like me?

You pretty much covered everything. If you've hit a wall, learn Russian and / or bring more money.

Try elenasmodels. Com. A few scammers and semi pros on there but you'll get a lot of hits if you are in the right demographics. That is if you are looking for a serious GF, which I doubt.

[FiddyCent]

That is why I extoll the virtues of mongering in a city like Kiev, Ukraine. It has varied things to do as a monger in search of pussy, and remains as interesting as life itself in all it's variety of possibilities. For me, the ideal trip is as many days as you can spend in Kiev, and then a stopover in FKK-land for a day or two on the way home. And that is exactly what I have been doing, and what I will be doing on my upcoming trip. I will be spending three nights in Kiev, and then I will be making a stop for an afternoon in Vienna to spend some time at FKK Goldentime Vienna, and then proceeding to Frankfurt for an overnight visit to FKK Oase and the next day a visit to FKK Palace, before hopping onto the flight home. I feel that doing a mongering trip this way, combines the best of both mongering avenues, to maximize my interest and enjoyment. And because of this caveat about my preference for Kiev, I include this comment here in the Kiev thread, rather than another location.

LJ[/QUOTE]Hello LJ.

What establishments do you visit in Kiev now that RP is no longer there? I agree that the Ukranian girls are arguably the most beautiful girls in the world. Any information would help.

Thank you.

FiddyCent

[MongoManga]

If you do choose the FKK route, then the question becomes which FKK's are the best and which to visit?

There is, quite frankly, a lot to choose from. You can know that fact by (1) looking at the many choices listed on this forum in the Europe section under "FKK Clubs". (2) An other useful tool, that will impress you once you see the sheer plenty of the choices for sex establishments of various kinds, including the FKK's, can be found by simply doing a google search for "der Monger map". This amazing map has pins for each of the clubs, with their address and website information included, and is a very useful tool for planning the actual point to point travel.

Members who have done an FKK tour for a vacation such as your contemplated 5 to 7 day trip, have tried to visit various different FKK clubs to experience the different line ups and variety which exists. There are various schools of thought you will encounter as you read the FKK threads. Some favor the region up near Dusseldorf and Cologne and swear by the line ups at clubs such as Goldentime in Bruggen near the Dutch border. There are many FKK clubs up in that area to choose from. Others favor the FKK clubs in the environs of Frankfurt, including Palace, Oase, World and some newer clubs like Sharks and Mainhattan. Yet others like Berlin's FKK Artemis and the varied brothel options mentioned on the Berlin thread. As you read about all these options, you may or may not come to a conclusion as to which is best for you.

My personal opinion, after trying Artemis in Berlin several times, as well as Villa Vertigo in the Dusseldorf region, as well as multiple visits to the Frankfurt area FKK's, is that the largest and the best, from various aspects, including the all important criteria of the quantity and quality of the line up, would definitely be the Frankfurt area FKK's, namely FKK Oase and FKK Palace. So those two clubs (Oase and Palace) will always be my first choices, and then time allowing, I will expand the circle of clubs I would visit on a mongering trip to FKK-land.

I should add that I think the city of Vienna should also be on your list above Romania and Bulgaria, and maybe even Poland. Vienna has a truly extensive breadth of sex establishments. See.

www.kontaktbazar.at

It has a good outcall escort scene. It has brothel buildings called "laufhaus". It has an FKK club known as.

Www.goldentime.at

It has high end options like the famous Babylon club, which is very pricey. But the normal price range is in the range between 100. 150 Euro / hr. In the FKK Goldentime in Vienna, you will find the gorgeous Romanian and Bulgarian girls you will be able to enjoy easily, and you will also find gorgeous Hungarian and Slovak beauties, because of the proximity of the club to those countries.

Lastly should be mentioned the FKK clubs in Zurich, such as Globe, where the girls are very good looking, but the prices are essentially double the prices at the Frankfurt FKK's.

After mentioning all this to help get you started in designing your FKK trip, I also want to state that in my personal experience, I found it to be too much time to spend so many days of a trip running around the FKK clubs day after day. Quite frankly, it got boring. And added to the monotony, was the issue of my plummeting ability to really enjoy fucking four women a day, for day after day of an FKK trip. Sure it was awesome the first day. Nothing could equal the excitement I had upon entering the club and beginning the sexual foray. So I banged out five sessions the first day, none shorter than an hour. But the second day I possessed less enthusiasm and capacity for it, and the third day my interest level began to wane. I know that other guys love doing it multiple times every day, but at some point most men will become sexually satiated and over satisfied. It's like eating ice cream continuously. In the beginning it's great. But after a while one needs to take a break, in order to be able to come back and enjoy it more again.

That is why I extoll the virtues of mongering in a city like Kiev, Ukraine. It has varied things to do as a monger in search of pussy, and remains as interesting as life itself in all it's variety of possibilities. For me, the ideal trip is as many days as you can spend in Kiev, and then a stopover in FKK-land for a day or two on the way home. And that is exactly what I have been doing, and what I will be doing on my upcoming trip. I will be spending three nights in Kiev, and then I will be making a stop for an afternoon in Vienna to spend some time at FKK Goldentime Vienna, and then proceeding to Frankfurt for an overnight visit to FKK Oase and the next day a visit to FKK Palace, before hopping onto the flight home. I feel that doing a mongering trip this way, combines the best of both mongering avenues, to maximize my interest and enjoyment. And because of this caveat about my preference for Kiev, I include this comment here in the Kiev thread, rather than another location.

LJ

Thank you LJ, your report is very logical, very informative and makes a lot of sense. It should definitely be a report of distinction about FKKs (I just don't know how to do it. If you guide me I will).

I like your proposal but I prefer to stay in one place specially if it's my first time to visit. So I chose Berlin and booked a hotel already at a very good rate ($45 / night) its called Azea Novum Centrum hotel. If anybody stayed there is it in a good location?

I've also wanted to visit Berlin, I heard its an interesting city to see. Also seems there is a lot going on there with regards to mongering. Kiev I've been contemplating a lot and I'm sure it worth a visit but the thread I read that it may not be an easy place for mongering if you don't speak any Russian. Any ways I will eventually try it and maybe then you can give me some tips.

Many thanks again.

[LilJoey]

Guys,

Really thanks a lot, your info cuts a long story short for me. I have read about FKKs and I'm sure this would be an ideal place for me. How about Berlin, I have read there is one there? I also heard Berlin is a beautiful city and maybe not as expensive? Budapest, I've been there before so I prefer to check out a new place.

One other option I maybe interested in is to Hire an escort for a couple of days to enjoy her company and all extras of course, you know sort of take her out to clubs at night and then take her home with me. SO what would be my best bet in this case?

Again thank you very much for the info provided.

If you do choose the FKK route, then the question becomes which FKK's are the best and which to visit?

There is, quite frankly, a lot to choose from. You can know that fact by (1) looking at the many choices listed on this forum in the Europe section under "FKK Clubs". (2) An other useful tool, that will impress you once you see the sheer plenty of the choices for sex establishments of various kinds, including the FKK's, can be found by simply doing a google search for "der Monger map". This amazing map has pins for each of the clubs, with their address and website information included, and is a very useful tool for planning the actual point to point travel.

Members who have done an FKK tour for a vacation such as your contemplated 5 to 7 day trip, have tried to visit various different FKK clubs to experience the different line ups and variety which exists. There are various schools of thought you will encounter as you read the FKK threads. Some favor the region up near Dusseldorf and Cologne and swear by the line ups at clubs such as Goldentime in Bruggen near the Dutch border. There are many FKK clubs up in that area to choose from. Others favor the FKK clubs in the environs of Frankfurt, including Palace, Oase, World and some newer clubs like Sharks and Mainhattan. Yet others like Berlin's FKK Artemis and the varied brothel options mentioned on the Berlin thread. As you read about all these options, you may or may not come to a conclusion as to which is best for you.

My personal opinion, after trying Artemis in Berlin several times, as well as Villa Vertigo in the Dusseldorf region, as well as multiple visits to the Frankfurt area FKK's, is that the largest and the best, from various aspects, including the all important criteria of the quantity and quality of the line up, would definitely be the Frankfurt area FKK's, namely FKK Oase and FKK Palace. So those two clubs (Oase and Palace) will always be my first choices, and then time allowing, I will expand the circle of clubs I would visit on a mongering trip to FKK-land.

I should add that I think the city of Vienna should also be on your list above Romania and Bulgaria, and maybe even Poland. Vienna has a truly extensive breadth of sex establishments. See www.kontaktbazar.at. It has a good outcall escort scene. It has brothel buildings called "laufhaus". It has an FKK club known as Www.goldentime.at. It has high end options like the famous Babylon club, which is very pricey. But the normal price range is in the range between 100. 150 Euro / hr. In the FKK Goldentime in Vienna, you will find the gorgeous Romanian and Bulgarian girls you will be able to enjoy easily, and you will also find gorgeous Hungarian and Slovak beauties, because of the proximity of the club to those countries.

Lastly should be mentioned the FKK clubs in Zurich, such as Globe, where the girls are very good looking, but the prices are essentially double the prices at the Frankfurt FKK's.

After mentioning all this to help get you started in designing your FKK trip, I also want to state that in my personal experience, I found it to be too much time to spend so many days of a trip running around the FKK clubs day after day. Quite frankly, it got boring. And added to the monotony, was the issue of my plummeting ability to really enjoy fucking four women a day, for day after day of an FKK trip. Sure it was awesome the first day. Nothing could equal the excitement I had upon entering the club and beginning the sexual foray. So I banged out five sessions the first day, none shorter than an hour. But the second day I possessed less enthusiasm and capacity for it, and the third day my interest level began to wane. I know that other guys love doing it multiple times every day, but at some point most men will become sexually satiated and over satisfied. It's like eating ice cream continuously. In the beginning it's great. But after a while one needs to take a break, in order to be able to come back and enjoy it more again.

That is why I extoll the virtues of mongering in a city like Kiev, Ukraine. It has varied things to do as a monger in search of pussy, and remains as interesting as life itself in all it's variety of possibilities. For me, the ideal trip is as many days as you can spend in Kiev, and then a stopover in FKK-land for a day or two on the way home. And that is exactly what I have been doing, and what I will be doing on my upcoming trip. I will be spending three nights in Kiev, and then I will be making a stop for an afternoon in Vienna to spend some time at FKK Goldentime Vienna, and then proceeding to Frankfurt for an overnight visit to FKK Oase and the next day a visit to FKK Palace, before hopping onto the flight home. I feel that doing a mongering trip this way, combines the best of both mongering avenues, to maximize my interest and enjoyment. And because of this caveat about my preference for Kiev, I include this comment here in the Kiev thread, rather than another location.

LJ

[MongoManga]

I agree about the FKK scene. Some important comments / concerns I can add to what LJ has written is that you should also consider the non-mongering costs. It is relatively expensive to stay in Germany with food and hotels. It seems that way in Kiev, as well. Staying in Bulgaria is pretty cheap, and Romainia is cheap outside of Bucharest, and Bucharest is still cheaper than any part of Germany that I have been to. I do like the easyness of the FKK scene and everything LJ says is true. He does not mention the entrance fee and that will cost you 60-80 Euro just to get into most clubs and a minimum of 50 Euro for 30 minutes of sex. There are many other advantages to the FKK scene but price is not necessarily one of them depending on your mongering style. I have spent 500 Euro in one day fucking 3-5 different hot girls over a 14 hour period. It can be fun but pricey.

I also enjoy Budapest a lot better than Bucharest. Prices are good, easy mongering scene, opportunities for freebies, and a beautiful city.

If you really want cheap and you like Asian girls, try Angeles City in the Philippines. You can get a hotel, food, beer, and a girl all night, every night for an average of 100 a day if you budget right.

Guys,

Really thanks a lot, your info cuts a long story short for me. I have read about FKKs and I'm sure this would be an ideal place for me. How about Berlin, I have read there is one there? I also heard Berlin is a beautiful city and maybe not as expensive? Budapest, I've been there before so I prefer to check out a new place.

One other option I maybe interested in is to Hire an escort for a couple of days to enjoy her company and all extras of course, you know sort of take her out to clubs at night and then take her home with me. SO what would be my best bet in this case?

Again thank you very much for the info provided.

[YummyPL]

I have been in Bucharest, and have had opportunity to visit in Warsaw. This is advice I have followed for myself. I have come to prefer Kiev, Ukraine and the FKK clubs in / near Frankfurt such as Oase and Palace, as the best locations for mongering, with each having it's different strong points.

I agree about the FKK scene. Some important comments / concerns I can add to what LJ has written is that you should also consider the non-mongering costs. It is relatively expensive to stay in Germany with food and hotels. It seems that way in Kiev, as well. Staying in Bulgaria is pretty cheap, and Romainia is cheap outside of Bucharest, and Bucharest is still cheaper than any part of Germany that I have been to. I do like the easyness of the FKK scene and everything LJ says is true. He does not mention the entrance fee and that will cost you 60-80 Euro just to get into most clubs and a minimum of 50 Euro for 30 minutes of sex. There are many other advantages to the FKK scene but price is not necessarily one of them depending on your mongering style. I have spent 500 Euro in one day fucking 3-5 different hot girls over a 14 hour period. It can be fun but pricey.

I also enjoy Budapest a lot better than Bucharest. Prices are good, easy mongering scene, opportunities for freebies, and a beautiful city.

If you really want cheap and you like Asian girls, try Angeles City in the Philippines. You can get a hotel, food, beer, and a girl all night, every night for an average of 100 a day if you budget right.

[LilJoey]

A question to all of you experts out there:

I have the opportunity to spend 5-7 days this March in any of the above. I have been trying to read many reports in all the relevant threads here but I'm getting really confused. What would you guys recommend? My priorities are easy scoring and nice experience with relatively nice and good looking girls. A relatively easy scene so I don't waste a lot of time on disappointment and of course the cheaper the better. In all cases I understand I have to prepare well ahead of time and can do that once I chose the destination. But I need to decide ASAP before end of this month for travel arrangement.

Can anybody rank them for me based on knowledge and experience or provide any advise.

Thanks a lot for your help.

Dear Mongo,

When you wrote "the cheaper the better" it gave me to understand that you are looking for P4P (pay for play) Working Girls. But when you wrote "easy scoring" "with relatively nice. Girls" it sounds like you could be talking about trying to meet nice regular girls. So the first thing you should do is make your question clearer as to what you are looking for.

But assuming you are looking for girls who will accept money for sex, I would advise you as follows:

When you wrote "A relatively easy scene so I don't waste a lot of time on disappointment", it causes me to advise you to put Romania and Bulgaria (which have poorly developed escort scenes compared to Ukraine and Poland) at the bottom of your list, and to prefer Ukraine, and then Poland.

I would also recommend for you to put the FKK clubs of Germany at the top of your list. At the FKK's in Germany you can meet many Romanian and Bulgarian girls who are very beautiful and will give you very good service, with none of the treachery and deception rampant in the escort scene in Bucharest. And I cannot imagine an easier "scene" than that which exists in an FKK club, plus it is an environment where you can see what the girls look like before choosing, so it is easier to get a nice looking girl compared to situations where you can't see the girl in advance because you are calling an escort based on Internet website pictures which are usually fake, both in Ukraine and Poland.

I have not been to Poland so I am not saying the forgoing from personal experience, but rather based upon research into Poland's offerings, and the advice given to me by members who are veterans of the Warsaw thread. You can get an idea of the relative escort prices in Poland compared to Ukraine by looking at websites such as www.odloty.pl Or www.roksa.pl, compared to the websites mentioned here on the Kiev thread, such as top-modals. Com, but I was advised that the photos of escorts in those websites usually are fake. There are many girl apartments in Warsaw where sex is cheap. There is a map put together by a member, Alphatester, for girl apartments. But the descriptions of how the girls looked by those members that reported indicated that these were not the pretty, nice girls you are looking for. Polish girls can be among the most beautiful in the world. I just don't know if there is a developed escort scene in Poland where one can easily get to very beautiful Working Girls or escorts relatively cheaply. Compared to the descriptions on the Warsaw thread, it seems to me that it is an easier escort scene in Kiev, Ukraine.

I have been in Bucharest, and have had opportunity to visit in Warsaw. This is advice I have followed for myself. I have come to prefer Kiev, Ukraine and the FKK clubs in / near Frankfurt such as Oase and Palace, as the best locations for mongering, with each having it's different strong points.

Happy Mongering.

LJ

[Member #4491]

Ignore her and find someone more interested in you.

Darn. I knew you would write this. Easy to say when you have 1200 girls and probably hundreds of slim teens in your phone.

It is like one of those scams in Asia, where you just have to invest a little bit more money, because it really looks bright now. And a little bit more. And a little bit more. Milk that farang. I am investing time, and still have a 50% belief she will spread her little teenage vagina for me. I will try to fuck her for some sponsorship when I go back in a couple of weeks. If it fails, I will not waste more time on her. If I succeed I will let you know if it was worth the time I invested. It is not all about the chase, but sometimes it can be fun to actually have to work for something.

B.

[Rune J]

My next stop in Kiev is from Feb 17, for 2 weeks. Will you be there?

Some disagree with me and PedroToronja, but that is OK. We all have different opinions and approaches towards ukranian women.

The basic thing is to find them and have some "fun" with them. Of course they are playing with us as well, but as long as both comes out of the game happy and satisfied, everything is good.

I can't think of a better thing to have a nice woman in her 20's next to me in bed, feeling her soft skin against my body. Maybe resting my head on her soft titties too.

Or waking up by a nice BBBJ and continue with a 69 or DATY.

I have never been to Kiev, but I have been to Odessa and Nikolaev. My women is from those cities.

Kiev hasn't been on my travelmap so far, but it can change.

My next visit to Ukraine will be in middle of May.

Odessa and Nikolaev definetly, Kiev maybe later in August.

Happy hunting in 2013!

Rune J.

[GreyGoose69]

Log in with FB. OR. Create a profile on VK dot com. You can get the text from VK. Then log in with that. Google Chrome automatically translates so it's easy to integrate. I highly recommend VK. VK also has a great collection of real girls, but takes some effort to build a friends list as you max out on daily requests. But the groups are outstanding, as there is no censorship on it like FB. It's filled with porn. I've built a great friends list of gorgeous women in Kiev from the various sex groups and pages, by searching through group members. Some kinky sukas. Have also found girls from AnastasiaDate on VK by searching their birthday (which is right maybe 1 in 5) , Anastasia is a total scam by the way. But having a profile gives you access to their profiles so you can get names and birthdays. Mamba is a whole other game. Mambasex dot ru is where most workers and nymphos are, and they likely have their relationship profile on Mamba. I leave for Kiev in 3 weeks so have been working these three sites and getting phone numbers. Have a good set of women to get me started, and expect I can follow the advice of this board for D'Lux and Shooters. I avoided contact with girls outside of Kiev as that is where we are staying for our whole trip (my pal and me). But Odessa is definitely on the list, as it seems many hot girls move off the shitty farm and head to the beach for dick and money. Next time. 3 weeks in Kiev, and have about 20 gorgeous women that want to meet my friend and I when we arrive. Have three picking us up at the airport! VKontakte and Mamba and mambasex are all filled with options. Can't wait to get over there.

On another note. 8.25UAH=1CAD. I'm pleased that my $3K in spending cash gets me almost 25, 000 UAH. The best exchange for Canada and the US in the history of the currency. Baller for cheap. $3K in Vegas gets you 2 maybe 3 days. $25K in Vegas gets you quite a bit further. It may not stay that way as the global economy recovers, so I foresee a few more trips in coming years. If all goes according to plan. A friend I know in Fort McMurray just bought a 2 BR condo in Odessa, with a hot tub, view of the Black Sea, for $27, 000. Unreal.

Great report, with all your contacts, can you confirm if you had better luck with Mamba or VK in Kiev? Both take some efforts to find the nice girls. Which group on VK would you recommend?

[MongoManga]

A question to all of you experts out there:

I have the opportunity to spend 5-7 days this March in any of the above. I have been trying to read many reports in all the relevant threads here but I'm getting really confused. What would you guys recommend? My priorities are easy scoring and nice experience with relatively nice and good looking girls. A relatively easy scene so I don't waste a lot of time on disappointment and of course the cheaper the better. In all cases I understand I have to prepare well ahead of time and can do that once I chose the destination. But I need to decide ASAP before end of this month for travel arrangement.

Can anybody rank them for me based on knowledge and experience or provide any advise.

Thanks a lot for your help.

[GreyGoose69]

Guys,

I will go back to Kiev next week, this will be my 3rd trip in Ukraine. I know already Rio, DLux, Buddha bar, Avalon and their WGs, they are no cheap, and most of them not that hot. The last time I was in town, I saw many beautiful girls in Sky Bar, Dante, Serebro but my Russian sucks so it is difficult to communicate on the dance floor and to be honest, most of them are just there to show off or to have fun with their rich Russian "boyfriend". I am no Brad Pitt or Bill Gates so I didn't get many numbers. I have met a couple of great girls on Mamba, young, fun, smart and beautiful. I don't like Mamba, way too many agencies or fakes but sometimes you can find a pearl, a real fun girl. Now, I know VK, but do you know any good reliable websites where it is possible to meet nice single girls for a young rich boy like me?

[Hamboner]

Is this just taxi driver took, right? Or you wanted to write 1000 UAH?

Yes, It was my mistake. 1000 UAH which is a little high. I called a couple of girls on sexkiev dot net and they were not the girls in the pictures but I ended having okay sessions for 600 UAH plus 100 UAH for taxi.

[Cruiser D]

Written by a total loser with outdated or wrong information, who couldn't even score in Ukraine. Guess the pros at Buddha Bar weren't too interested when he offered them 20e for some action back at his hostel.

I thought this was some interesting reading in scoring in UA.

Best line of the article. "This is why I keep saying to everyone that they need to get their stories straight and lie like absolute motherfuckers to them if its purely notch count they are after"

http://www.returnofkings.com/2264/wh...aid-in-ukraine