General Reports

[Sxxxx]

Hmm, good question. On the one hand this report is generally applicable to the Philippines, not just Cebu, but on the other hand it's just one more thread, and on the other hand (how many hands does that make? Three. Hmm) well on the other hand that makes another perhaps unnecessary thread. What do other member's think. Do you agree the report is worthy of this most noble award?

Yet another new thread, hell no. Have a look at all the empty new threads we have got already.

[Riverman]

As I mentioned, the cheap charlies are going to love Riverman's posts because it gives them an excuse to keep on being cheap charlies. I think that paying 650 will work fine when one is in a 'take it or leave it' situation, when nothing has been agreed upon in advance. At the end of the time spent together, the girl in order not to lose face, won't say 'what a cheap Charlie Asshole (although that's what she is probably thinking) ', she'll just smile and take the 650. The question is, how far will you get say in Mango Square offering 650 pesos? You will go home alone.

Wages are depressed due to oversupply of labor and undersupply of jobs. So trying to excuse being a cheapskate by comparing 650 to what a shop girl earns isn't logical. The forum's resident economists might want to compare wages with what it costs to survive in Cebu. What does the Big Mac index show for example?

Actually comparing 650 to what a girl can make in 2 or three days of 12 hour a day labor is very fair. The Big Mac Index, however, is not fair. A Big Mac is a luxury; one does not need a Big Mac to survive. A more apt index would be the Rice Index. PHP 650 will buy alot of rice. And as most of my girls are very happy to see me again and again, that 650 is multiplied many times over. Not to mention the fact, if the girl is very good and sweet to me and never tries to scam me or give me undue drama (beyond what is normal the female of the species) , I am not unwilling to help them as legitimate needs arise.

Another unfair comparison is the mango thing. I never gave my approach as being appropriate to mango. When dealing with a more mercenary and experienced prostitute, of course they are going for maximum return on their assests. And another factor is time. If you don't have time to hunt, then paying extra for the convenience of an assured score is understandable.

I do find your vaguely negative and condensending attitude a bit strange. I guess there are better-than-thou petty moralists in every bunch. Even a bunch of working girl mongers.

[Member #4351]

Riverman's recent post is one of the most well reasoned, forthright and honest opinions seen here in sometime. Regarding renumeration for services, he is spot on. So many guys here completely lack financial perspective. If one pays say, $100, for ST in US, that's equivalent to about one day's income. Here in Philippines, one day's income is about 300 pesos. So. 650 P is equal to two days wages. Two days wages for two hours company, is taking advantage? Hardly! Riverman, keep your posts coming. You have valuable insights.

Thanks, mate.

As I mentioned, the cheap charlies are going to love Riverman's posts because it gives them an excuse to keep on being cheap charlies. I think that paying 650 will work fine when one is in a 'take it or leave it' situation, when nothing has been agreed upon in advance. At the end of the time spent together, the girl in order not to lose face, won't say 'what a cheap Charlie Asshole (although that's what she is probably thinking) ', she'll just smile and take the 650. The question is, how far will you get say in Mango Square offering 650 pesos? You will go home alone.

Wages are depressed due to oversupply of labor and undersupply of jobs. So trying to excuse being a cheapskate by comparing 650 to what a shop girl earns isn't logical. The forum's resident economists might want to compare wages with what it costs to survive in Cebu. What does the Big Mac index show for example?

[Going Low]

The past few days I was bar hopping in Mango Ave. With my friend and went through pretty much all the bars.

Overall the quality didn't seem to be very good in most of the bars and I found Papillion to be the best one this time with the face value and friendliness of the girls.

Picked up a nice 22 years old girl who was quite inexperienced since her first time was just 7 months ago, but since she was absolutely a sweetheart (kind of like a girl you want as a girlfriend) it didn't matter, always looking after me whatever I will do or need. She's an awesome girl and will stay on my phone list for long time. She didn't have any rush to leave and we were together until 10AM. My friend also found a nice 5" girl who actually was with him until 6PM on the next day (eating, malling etc.).

On the second day we went through other bars that we missed on a night before, and this time I wanted to pick someone totally different.

If you have been to Dimples recently, you know their 'leading star' entertainer dancer (white skin, wearing black leather boots and different outfit from others) , when she dances everybody will vanish from the stage, a total 'bad' girl. I bought her some drinks earlier and she's really funny actually although she said that guys are afraid of her which I believe since she's a total pro and looks tight. She also said that she doesn't usually go out with customers since she is very very picky, if she doesn't like the guy there is no amount she will go. Well anyway she was totally wild in bed, but when talking later she's not so rough and tough, it's just an act which she sometimes forgets when your actually having a private conversation with her. And just a side note, Papillion and Dimples are under the same owner, so this girl was also dancing once in Papillion on the previous night since somebody requested. She even asked me how was my girl from Papillion last night LOL.

Well anyway, my time here is done for now.

But for work reasons I will be here 2-3 times a month, so I will definitely report here often.

[Paul Kausch]

The Philippine thread has Reports of Distinction, do you think we need a "Reports of Distinction" thread just for Cebu? I kind of like the idea.

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...of-Distinction

Hmm, good question. On the one hand this report is generally applicable to the Philippines, not just Cebu, but on the other hand it's just one more thread, and on the other hand (how many hands does that make? Three. Hmm) well on the other hand that makes another perhaps unnecessary thread. What do other member's think. Do you agree the report is worthy of this most noble award?

[Punter 127]

If the Philippines section had Reports of Distinction, I would nominate this and Riverman's immediately preceding post!

The Philippine thread has Reports of Distinction, do you think we need a "Reports of Distinction" thread just for Cebu? I kind of like the idea.

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...of-Distinction

[Questor 55]

Riverman's recent post is one of the most well reasoned, forthright and honest opinions seen here in sometime. Regarding renumeration for services, he is spot on. So many guys here completely lack financial perspective. If one pays say, $100, for ST in US, that's equivalent to about one day's income. Here in Philippines, one day's income is about 300 pesos. So. 650 P is equal to two days wages. Two days wages for two hours company, is taking advantage? Hardly! Riverman, keep your posts coming. You have valuable insights.

Thanks, mate.

[Paul Kausch]

Now that I've got my approach down, I'm sure it would work fine if I wasnt here full time. I do think, however, that ones own frame of mind comes into play. If you only have a week or two, then I can see it being stressfull taking a chance on a girl without getting that up from deal nailed down.

As regards "middle class" that is very relative. A girl who's family live in an actual house, albiet crumbling with a roof that leaks like a sieve, is in a much better situation than a family that lives in the cemetary or in a squatter slum / village. The real point is that, if you talk to them like a regular person, listen to what they have to say, smile at them, compliment them, show some empathy then many of these girls don't want to appear the working girl to you.

The standard of living that we would consider "middle class" here is solidly in the rich category. The hot rich girls here I always see with very handsome pinoy guys or ugly pinoy guys that are obviously from very wealthy families (yes, that young man is vastly obese, but that $10, 000 watch on his wrist sure is nice). These girls never even look at me.

By good job, I really mean ANY job. One girl I saw works as an assembler at an electrons company. She makes PHP 8, 000 per month. About $200 USD. Another is an agent in a call center making PHP 18, 000 per month. Both of these girls wouldn't even take taxi money the first time.

With this type of girl, if I feel she won't take anything on the second date, I will buy her something at Unisilver like a bracelet or neckless or something for P500 or P600. While I don't want to overpay, I don't want to be a total cheap charlie either.

Regarding looks, if the girl is willing to sit down with you and have a coke, or coffee, or jollibee or whatever, then you are good looking enouph for her. I just make sure that they know I'm not looking for a serious relationship before I get romantically charming, a little touchy feely (hand on her arm, touching her back, holding her hand, etc) , or see if she will go somewhere we can be alone. If she wants to keep hope maybe I will fall in love with in this process down the road, then that is her issue, I've given fair warning. I'm mid forties and rather fat. Perhaps my face is handsome, but I'm sure not winning anyone's stud contest.

If at any time a girl starts to scam me with sob stories or pumping me for large sums of piso or presents, I dump her forthwith. Once it starts it only gets worse. At that point, I go on the hunt for fresh action if I don't already have something in the back pocket.

David, I don't want to give you the impression that most of these girls I see won't take my money or that I don't give it. The majority of them need it and will take it. There are those girls, however, who its better to wait until the 2nd or 3rd "date" before you give them the full ST (for me thats P650 all-in) amount.

The important thing for the girl, is that in her mind she is not a prostitute. We didn't talk money up front, agree to any specific acts or any of that. We are friends. We are agreed that we will have an ongoing relationship and friendship. She has gifted me with sex. It is kind of me if I gift her with money later, but it is a kindness as we never stipulated that. Here they call this "special friends." She has given me something I need, and I have given her something she needs, without any specific demands. This is friendship no? This may be putting lipstick on the pig, but I'm I didn't create these girls psychology, I only take it as it comes.

If the Philippines section had Reports of Distinction, I would nominate this and Riverman's immediately preceding post!

[Member #4351]

Like they say in LOS: "up to you". I still think that 650 is on the cheap charlie side. I have never given less than 1000 (around $25) , which seems to be in line with most of the forum posters. I could very well be overpaying, but after seeing how some of these girls live, I don't mind the extra $10. Then again, I don't live in Cebu and your situation is probably a lot different than mine. I just didn't want sporadic visitors to Cebu to get the idea that 650 is what should be given a girl who has performed well. Just MHO. Everyone has their own idea on what to give the girls. If you are comfortable giving 650 and haven't been labeled as a koripot and someone to avoid by the girls, then its working for you. Anyway, there are also guys who have posted that are so clueless, they think that just because the girls don't ask for money, that means that they shouldn't give them a peso.

[Riverman]

Riverman, you have just given hope to all the cheap charlie koripots on the forum. Probably (although it might not seem logical) , the fact that you actually live in Cebu makes things different for you viz a viz the usual P4P visitor. Having lived there for a year, you must speak some Visayan. Anyway, I have never been fortunate enough to meet a middle class girl who is happy with 150 pesos (in my humble experience I have found that Pinoy Pride has the girls saying things that aren't true (middle class) and accepting little money (150 pesos) , without mentioning that it is below their expectations. Since you told them you aren't looking for a GF, then the scenario of them happily accepting such a small amount in hopes of snagging someone LT would not be relevant. Then again, you might not be one of the old, fat, bald, and less than handsome (like me) average ISG members.

Now that I've got my approach down, I'm sure it would work fine if I wasnt here full time. I do think, however, that ones own frame of mind comes into play. If you only have a week or two, then I can see it being stressfull taking a chance on a girl without getting that up from deal nailed down.

As regards "middle class" that is very relative. A girl who's family live in an actual house, albiet crumbling with a roof that leaks like a sieve, is in a much better situation than a family that lives in the cemetary or in a squatter slum / village. The real point is that, if you talk to them like a regular person, listen to what they have to say, smile at them, compliment them, show some empathy then many of these girls don't want to appear the working girl to you.

The standard of living that we would consider "middle class" here is solidly in the rich category. The hot rich girls here I always see with very handsome pinoy guys or ugly pinoy guys that are obviously from very wealthy families (yes, that young man is vastly obese, but that $10, 000 watch on his wrist sure is nice). These girls never even look at me.

By good job, I really mean ANY job. One girl I saw works as an assembler at an electrons company. She makes PHP 8, 000 per month. About $200 USD. Another is an agent in a call center making PHP 18, 000 per month. Both of these girls wouldn't even take taxi money the first time.

With this type of girl, if I feel she won't take anything on the second date, I will buy her something at Unisilver like a bracelet or neckless or something for P500 or P600. While I don't want to overpay, I don't want to be a total cheap charlie either.

Regarding looks, if the girl is willing to sit down with you and have a coke, or coffee, or jollibee or whatever, then you are good looking enouph for her. I just make sure that they know I'm not looking for a serious relationship before I get romantically charming, a little touchy feely (hand on her arm, touching her back, holding her hand, etc) , or see if she will go somewhere we can be alone. If she wants to keep hope maybe I will fall in love with in this process down the road, then that is her issue, I've given fair warning. I'm mid forties and rather fat. Perhaps my face is handsome, but I'm sure not winning anyone's stud contest.

If at any time a girl starts to scam me with sob stories or pumping me for large sums of piso or presents, I dump her forthwith. Once it starts it only gets worse. At that point, I go on the hunt for fresh action if I don't already have something in the back pocket.

David, I don't want to give you the impression that most of these girls I see won't take my money or that I don't give it. The majority of them need it and will take it. There are those girls, however, who its better to wait until the 2nd or 3rd "date" before you give them the full ST (for me thats P650 all-in) amount.

The important thing for the girl, is that in her mind she is not a prostitute. We didn't talk money up front, agree to any specific acts or any of that. We are friends. We are agreed that we will have an ongoing relationship and friendship. She has gifted me with sex. It is kind of me if I gift her with money later, but it is a kindness as we never stipulated that. Here they call this "special friends." She has given me something I need, and I have given her something she needs, without any specific demands. This is friendship no? This may be putting lipstick on the pig, but I'm I didn't create these girls psychology, I only take it as it comes.

[Member #4351]

Riverman, you have just given hope to all the cheap charlie koripots on the forum. Probably (although it might not seem logical) , the fact that you actually live in Cebu makes things different for you viz a viz the usual P4P visitor. Having lived there for a year, you must speak some Visayan. Anyway, I have never been fortunate enough to meet a middle class girl who is happy with 150 pesos (in my humble experience I have found that Pinoy Pride has the girls saying things that aren't true (middle class) and accepting little money (150 pesos) , without mentioning that it is below their expectations. Since you told them you aren't looking for a GF, then the scenario of them happily accepting such a small amount in hopes of snagging someone LT would not be relevant. Then again, you might not be one of the old, fat, bald, and less than handsome (like me) average ISG members.

[Riverman]

Currently in Cebu and found Ayala Mall quite a fertile hunting ground. I have struck lucky there in each of my previous trips. FL's are out looking for business. Sure they are not as in your face as, say, Makati, but they can be found. My approach is to smile and say hello to any girl I fancy shagging, but to also keep walking by. Normal, respectable girls may just smile, but FL's will take the bait and follow me and initiate conversation. The rest, as they say, is history. What I have noticed is that prices have inflated over the past 3 years. Their opening gambit is 2000. 3000 but this can easily be negotiated to 1000. 1500 ST.

Interesting info on the Ayala ST price info. I've been in cebu full-time for the past year, and though I'm at ayala all the time, I haven't taken any girls out of there (though I did get one number I didn't follow up on). I have my regular gf on the weekends, then pretty much can play all I want during the week. Personally, I avoid the P4P venues as for the money, I've had very few good experiences in cebu. For that manlia / angeles works much better for me.

What's been working for me has been meeting "regular" girls bumming around places like SM and Robinson's, and then of course DIA. I used to do straight up ST propositions, and that often worked fine but what I've found is many freelancers seem more comfortable if they are treated like a regular girl, even thought everyone involved knows exactly what game is being played. I have also found that I get better all around service if I tell them I don't have a gf (they always ask if there is a wife or gf in your life). I usually give some line about not wanting anything serious now, and leave it at that. After determining I want to fuck them and there seems to be some mutual interest, I ask her if I can take her somewhere we can be alone. When she says sure, to Queensland we go.

Usually what follows is good to great girlfriend sex. Now the money. I have found some of these girls will actually be offended if you give them too much money on the first "date". Depending on what I intuit about her, I may only give her some taxi money. Actual taxi money. P100 to P150 pesos. This is particularly true if she has a good job or her family seems relatively well off (as what she's told me about them, her situation, her clothes and accessories, etc). If I feel she is strictly working, I will give her P500 for the short time and P150 for taxi, so around P650 or so total.

Doing it this way, I have never had any girl complain about the money and I've found some great regulars who don't cost alot of money. When I was doing the up front ST propos, I found things cost more and the service was much more hit and miss and I less frequently found a good regular.

At first it seemed counter-intuitive to not get an up-front agreement on money and what she was willing to do, but for me this approach has worked best for me and I always now have more pussly on tap that my libido can handle.

[Ebauche]

At the end of the day there is very little pussy that I haven't enjoyed.

You should be grateful you don't have to fuck my wife.

[South by SW 2]

Just to resurrect the ST hotel discussion for a minute.

The ValleyFront website makes them look relatively legit. I didn't see any short time rates listed. They do advertise a PHP 550 special. I assume the 260 rate is available to walk-in customers.

Do they require an I'd from one or both people to check in?

It looks like a huge step up from the Roman Plaza in Davao where the same price gets you a room that you don't want to take your shoes off in, a towel thin enough to work as a veil in some Middle Eastern countries, and a condom for your new friend.

Cheers,

SbySW.

Anyway the name of the place is the ValleyFront, it seems to be as I said much nearer to Mango Square than the Queensland and the short time rate was 260. It is not only cheaper than the Queensland but it is in better condition and more convenient.

The full address is Happy Valley Road, corner of V. Rama Ave.

www.valleyfronthotel.com

Tel (+63-32) 255-9987

[Python75]

Currently in Cebu and found Ayala Mall quite a fertile hunting ground. I have struck lucky there in each of my previous trips. FL's are out looking for business. Sure they are not as in your face as, say, Makati, but they can be found. My approach is to smile and say hello to any girl I fancy shagging, but to also keep walking by. Normal, respectable girls may just smile, but FL's will take the bait and follow me and initiate conversation. The rest, as they say, is history. What I have noticed is that prices have inflated over the past 3 years. Their opening gambit is 2000. 3000 but this can easily be negotiated to 1000. 1500 ST.